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Weight Class Standards, Weight Cutting a Step in the Right Direction for Japanese MMA

Michihiro Omigawa controls L.C. Davis in a featherweight tilt at Sengoku VII back in March, 2009. Omigawa is one of the few Japanese fighters to find success in weight cutting. Photo by Daniel Herbertson, Sherdog.com

Michihiro Omigawa controls L.C. Davis in a featherweight tilt at Sengoku VII back in March, 2009. Omigawa is one of the few Japanese fighters to find success in weight cutting. Photo by Daniel Herbertson, Sherdog.com

Weight cutting has long been synonymous with combative sports as a way in which competitors could squeeze out extra pounds before a match in order to make a required weight limit. In North America, it has been popularized by collegiate and high school wrestling, but it's also used heavily in the equestrian sports. While jockeys cut weight in order to make a specific weight limit, their goal is to weigh as light as possible during a competition. In combative sports, however, the goal is to gain a competitive advantage from cutting weight.

It can also act as a great equalizer for smaller fighters who have the skill and talent to compete at higher weight classes, but have a hard time dealing with their opponents' physical traits and their own shortcomings in height, reach, and size. Japanese fighters have evaded this line of thinking for almost an entire era, and they have only recently began to progress in the knowledge of how weight cutting can be beneficial to their success in the ring.

DREAM.15 featured one such change in reasoning as Mitsuhiro Ishida moved from lightweight to featherweight to battle Daiki "DJ" Hata in one of the earlier fights of the evening. As a lightweight, Ishida always had a major disadvantage in terms of reach and size, but his relentless wrestling style overcame those physical obstacles and put him on the winning side more times than not. At one point, he was considered one of the best lightweights in the world, but he's fallen on harder times in recent bouts. An absolute drubbing at the hands of Strikeforce champion Gilbert Melendez in his last fight probably hastened the thought that he should cut weight, and as we saw on Saturday morning -- Ishida's debut was a success.

Very few fighters in Japan cut weight, but there is some interesting evidence to support it's use. Michihiro Omigawa is currently 7-1 in his last 8 fights as a featherweight, and while we can make an argument that some of those bouts were gift decisions -- it's obvious that Omigawa is a far better fighter at featherweight than he ever was a lightweight. Kazuyuki Miyata is 3-0 in the weight class, defeating one of the better Japanese lightweight-to-featherweight converts in Takafumi Otsuka in his last bout. Strength is one of the huge pluses for Japanese fighters finally dropping in weight, and in Omigawa's case -- his overall strength has been a crushing advantage against almost all of his opponents.

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Interestingly enough, Daniel Herbertson at MMAFighting.com confirmed with DREAM Executive Producer Keiichi Sasahara that DREAM would standardize their featherweight division while also building in a bantamweight division:

The official limits have not been decided yet but the bantamweight division will probably be contested at 60 kg (132 lb) or 61 kg (134.5) and the featherweight division should be raised to 65 kg (143 lb).

The decision to change the weight limits will have quite a few implications within DREAM and FEG. 63 kg featherweight champion Bibiano Fernandes has not yet been spoken to regarding the changes and Sasahara admitted that it is quite likely that he will be angry about it. Fernandes will need to decide what weight limit he will be moving to and a decision will be made regarding his title then.

Since DREAM.13, the promotion's "featherweight" bouts had been contested at catchweights between 60-65 kg (132 lb - 143 lb) and at DREAM.15 Michihiro Omigawa very publicly refused fighting at the strange official 63 kg (138.9 lb) weight limit.

While there will be some short-term impacts, as Herbertson mentions, this is a step in the right direction for Japanese MMA. The fact of the matter is that Japanese MMA can't have a featherweight division, a division that is one of the more prominent divisions in their region, that uses a ten-pound weight range that is basically decided upon when a fight is contracted. New standards should bring a bit more attention to the idea of weight cutting as some fighters will need to cut weight in order to make the new standard while others may think about cutting to get down to the bantamweight limit.

The changes will affect crossover bouts with K-1 as well since they currently have a 63kg weight class, but once fighters in Japan become more acclimated with weight cutting and re-hydrating -- it shouldn't be a significant problem. In the end, these changes should bring better fights and fighters to the landscape of Japanese MMA. It's only a small step as it helps out only the smallest fighters, but a step in the right direction nonetheless.

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Uno’s dropping to FW too, which was long overdue.

Looking at him next to Gleison Tibau was mind blowing
This is what I have to say about Uno competing anywhere....

coughYUSHINOKAMIIIIIIIIIcough

whoo need to get the nasonex out, that one was nasty. tasted like sushi

I would be glad to see more Japanese fighters cut weight.

It is wild seeing how much smaller some of these guys are when they fight their American counterparts. Going into a fight with a built in disadvantage doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Good article

I honestly believe this is the single biggest factor to Japan’s declining relevance to modern MMA. The fighters over there REALLY need to get on the weight-cutting bandwagon.
IMO the weight cutting culture is the biggest boon that N America’s amateur wrestling network has given it’s MMA scene. Even more than the skillset and competitve experience that it also brings.

I think Sasahara has the right idea. Standardizing the weight classes in DREAM is going to cause a stir, and in the short-term — aches and pains will be felt, but in the long-term, it’ll probably create some weight cutting from competitors looking to drop to 135 versus 145 or lightweights heading down. It’s starting to get attractive for some of the better lightweights like Ishida. It’ll be interesting to see how this works out.

I think weight cutting is the 2nd biggest problem

With lack of training partners being the biggest. Skill can overcome size (to an extent) but most of these Japanese fighters are fighting bigger and better US/brazilian fighters. Here in the US you can train at a camp with multiple champions, as well as contenders, from numerous weight classes. These camps not only improve skill, but also teach weight cutting technique. Move Blackhouse/Greg Jackson’s/Tri-Star type set up to Japan and I think we would see A drastic improvement in talent.

Skill can't overcome size

when fighting in a cage.

Sure it can. Does all the time.

Might be better said as

When everything else is equal, bet on the bigger guy…

Skill can absolutely overcome size, in the cage or anywhere else, but when you are talking about essentially equal skillsets, size/strength makes all the difference…

Following this Logic

our UFC champs would be
LW- Gleison Tibau
WW- Anthony Johnson
MW- Still Silva probably
LHW- Forrest Griffin
HW- Emmanuel Yarborough

Or it would look like

LW- A healthy BJ Penn (who’s a large LW)
WW- Koscheck, Fitch, or Alves (#2,3, and 4)
MW- Anderson
LHW- Forrest (wasn’t he a champion or something at some point?)
HW- Brock Lesnar or Shane Carwin (Limit is 265)

Outside of St. Pierre and Shogun (who cuts a standard 30 or so lbs. to fight at LHW), it’s pretty clear that weight cutting pays huge dividends.

Cutting itself won’t win a fighter a bout. However, when skill and technique are relatively close, size wins out. There’s a reason that BJ Penn had so much trouble with GSP and it wasn’t grease. There’s a reason that larger fighters tend to win ADCC and Mundials in the absolute division even though the arguably more technical smaller grapplers are competing.

Skill overcomes size all the time. Size is a nice advantage but it doesn’t win fights, skill and training does.

True and True, that being said

Kanehara went to Greg Jacksons to train for his title defense against Sandro…and we all saw how that ended up for him.

That being said Japanese fighters will thrive in lower weight classes, but they do need to modernize their training methods or risk becoming (even more) irrelevant.

P.S. Marlon would ruin Omigawas world in a rematch.

Weight cutting is a start

but cross training is what will help bring Japanese fighters back to relevance.

Now if only Akiyama would cut to 170…

We can only imagine....

If that sexy man beast would just drop down to 170, he would be a contender pretty much right away.

I’ve said before, I’ll say it again: Aoki would be an absolute nightmare for any FW, outside of Aldo.

If he grabs one of Aldo's limbs

it’s breaking just like anyone else’s. That said, the closest most people will get to Aldo’s limb is when it’s breaking their face.

The problem is the -cage - ring- thing and nothing else

I doubt that is much of an issue at all. Guys move back and forth between the ring and cage all the time with success.

Dream needs a bantam and flyweight tourney something fierce

Why do we have fighters waste so much time and energy cutting weight? wouldnt people rather watch fighters fight at a weight that they can put on the best performances?

Weight cutting is just something that's ingrained in high-level combat sports...always has been...

Always will be. If a fighter doesn’t want to deal with it, they know the consequences. Plus who’s to say that a weight that a fighter performs at isn’t one that they have to cut to? It forces a lot of fighters to get in the necessary fighting shape needed to put on a good performance.

although forcing fighters to get into a necessary shape is always a good thing, more often than not i think weight cutting is just an already in shape fighter staying in a sauna for 3 hours the day before the fight then hooking up to an IV immediately after.

The pressure fighters feel to do this to stay competitive signals to me a system that could use some tweaking.

Re: 3 hours in a sauna

As much as I love sitting in a sauna, for fighters who weight cut properly, that’s really not it at all.

Most contemporary fighters with good techniques start “cutting weight” several weeks out from a fight, modifying their diets (paying attention to types and amounts of sodium intake, balancing types of nutrients, among other things), changing or intensifying their anaerobic workouts, and other modifications that essentially drive their metabolisms up to a higher gear. Weight cutting the right way is a long, involved and careful process that ideally results not only in a fighter having the optimum power-to-weight ratio come fight time, but also can improve their energy and recovery time. Weight cutting the wrong way – sitting in a sauna for three hours – actually drains the body of strength and energy. Weight cutting like that wouldn’t actually confer an advantage, and as such no one would do it. I’ve seen fighters (people training at my former gym) who started a very slow, scientific weight cut about four or five weeks out from a fight; by fight time, they had become completely efficient machines with no spare weight, drag, or burn. That’s the point of a proper controlled weight cut.

HOWEVER, not every fighter has the knowledge/access to a knowledgeable coach or camp to do it properly. Some fighters do just end up sitting in a sauna. That’s how you get guys like Phil Baroni.

Virtually every good Korean fighter is now cutting a lot of weight. All the new ones in DREAM and Sengoku are huge for their division. I’d say the “Asians don’t cut weight” stereotype has rapidly been outmoded.

Maybe “is rapidly becoming outmoded”. It certainly was true for a while, and the Korean-based fighters as you say appear to have cottoned on faster than the Japanese-based fighters. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the rest of us started noticing after the curve; heck, Leland is basically saying as much.

The problem with this cutting weight thing

is that everytime someone lose, we hear “he should drop to X” even though the fighter is already at his weight class. Aoki is not a FW for exemple.

Nobody is claiming Aoki is at the wrong weight class.

Guys like Omigawa and Ishida were, for years, said to be in the wrong weight class.

Hell, people have been calling for guys like Swick to move UP, and many people recognize that there are cases – say, Rashad Evans – where a smaller fighter could cut to the next weight class but has such an advantage in speed that moving down wouldn’t really be a smart idea.

Rashad has built in advantages that others in the LHW division don't possess

namely, a high level of greco-wrestling skill. Look at all of his major wins (Forrest, Rampage, Silva, Liddell) and it’s obvious that he has a distinct wrestling advantage against all of them. His speed isn’t what won him those fights (outside of Liddell), it was his ability to pressure his opponents against the cage and grind out a decision.

His one fight against a larger fairly high level wrestler (Ortiz, and I use high-level with a grain of salt) should have resulted in his first loss if not for the cage grab deduction in a round Ortiz lost on every card anyway. Rashad wasn’t able to press or control Ortiz and was beaten at his own game by a larger man with less wrestling acumen.

Just curious is that steam sauna the fastest way to cut weight before a fight?
What if the prohibited the use of that x number of days before a fight anyone know how that would impact weight cutting?

Just curious is that steam sauna the fastest way to cut weight before a fight?

There are dozens of ways to cut weight. The sauna is only one of them. Banning the sauna wouldn’t do anything. I’m not even sure how you would enforce a ban on saunas.

You watch too much TUF

the Gabe Ruediger method of weight cutting is only used by guys who have no idea what they’re doing. The sauna is usually used to drop that last pound or two. The other 20-25 take careful planning and execution over the course of a training camp.

Akiyama should drop to welterweight

Not to excuse Akiyama’s poor conditioning, which was probably a bigger factor than the size difference, but Leben was huge compared to Akiyama. It was particularly noticeable on the ground. Belcher also dwarfed him in their fight. Akiyama displayed some slick skills and a great chin, I think he’d do very well in the welterweight division … as opposed to a fringe contender if that as a middleweight.

I think akiyamas gas tank would have been fine if he were fighting someone his size. but the fact that it he had to wrestle a guy that looked a whole weight class bigger than him probably sapped his strength.

The size difference wasn’t that great and Leben was coming from just fighting two weeks earlier, cardio should of went to the guy who wasn’t having to fight back to back fights.

I think Akiyama gassed because he thought he could finish Leben when he had him in trouble in the first and went all out and blew himself out (“Paging Shane Carwin… Shane Carwin to main reception…”). That Leben was hurt is the only reason Sexy survived through the second, and we all saw how spent he was in the third.

When talking about Akiyama’s cardio it had to be mentioned that he fought only two times in the last two years. He has sexiness all over him, but underneath it, there is a lot of ring rust. Plus he’s a big star, so when he’s not scheduled to fight, he probably commits a lot of time to “being loved”…

For sure; I don’t disagree at all. I just don’t think he was absolutely bound to gas; I think it was a combination of him not having the best gas tank, but also him not pacing himself properly for what kind of cardio he was carrying into the fight.

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