Bas Rutten has a simple advice for Cristiane Santos or 'Cyborg', who has now been suspended and stripped of her title following a failed drug test. Cyborg has since released a statement and blamed a 'dietary supplement' for testing positive for a banned substance, stanozolol.
If it's true, Bas says there's an easy and simple solution to clearing her name:
@BasRuttenMMA
Bas Rutten If Cyborg wants to clear her name, simple, send the drink to the athletic commission, let them test it. I just don't believe they put it in drinks to LOSE weight. If they DO put roids in, show the drink and her name is cleared. Its what I would do. Like I said before, they all say "I took something over the counter". What? Tell us what you took? Help your fellow fighters not to make the same mistake by accident, just saying
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Joke's on you Bas
There never was any tainted drink
ODBasyoucansee - January 10, 2012
the other joke on Bas?
he uses a Blackberry
cletusvandam - January 10, 2012
lol
HitokiriX - January 10, 2012
I think that is what he is implying.
Magaca - January 10, 2012
Right you are
my brother from a broken rubber
ODBasyoucansee - January 10, 2012
Uhh... what?
Was just trying to be helpful.
Magaca - January 10, 2012
merryprankster - January 10, 2012
“How do you sleep with yourself at night!?!?”
“On top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.”
the jewish conquistador - January 10, 2012
“Your shoe’s untied!”
“Under closer inspection…these are loafers.”
NickRingp4pGOAT - January 10, 2012
"But you promised you wouldn't swear revenge anymore!"
“…PROMISE REVOKED.”
Body Triangle - January 10, 2012
"Remember when I said I'd eat you last?"
“I lied”
merryprankster - January 10, 2012
Have to be that guy and ask, but
what are all of these lines from?
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
The Simpsons and a movie so great it won the Noble Peace Prize, Commando.
the jewish conquistador - January 10, 2012
Thank you sir!
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
"let off some steam Bennet"
^ best Arnold movie every. if I could post giffs I would post the one of him throwing the pipe into Bennet.
the jewish conquistador - January 10, 2012
I gotchu, man
dajulzta - January 10, 2012
Bas, people are idiots, this will never work.
exsanguinator - January 10, 2012
thats just so pathetic that she said it was in her drink
like accidentally LOL she should have come clean normally and not this way
szanpan - January 10, 2012
What if it's her pee that did this?
I mean Machida style. You can’t blame the body for making this stuff, can you? :)
SheepleBuster - January 10, 2012
Your body doesn't produce this one.
Winstrol isn’t a typical synthetic testosterone, and overall levels are not generally raised in any significant amount. Because it is not a synthetic, it doesn’t affect the T/E ratio much, if at all. What it does (regarding testosterone) is increase the amount of free testosterone by binding with SHBG, thus preventing it from binding with existing testosterone.
Because the T/E ratio is essentially unchanged, that test wouldn’t catch someone using just it, but a test for stanozol metabolites is also typically a part of PED testing.
Bottom line, if she tested positive for stanozol, assuming the test is correct, she took it. Whether it was done knowingly or not is a separate issue.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
What if she drank the other cyborg's pee. hmmmmm
dandeman - January 10, 2012
Lol…then again, if he had been using stanozolol, perhaps enough would get pissed through to her…although that would take a whole lot of pee I imagine…
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Beer Stein full : )
dandeman - January 10, 2012
Please stop this line of conversation immediately.
Bleh.
gzl5000 - January 10, 2012
Oh, Bas
If only more people were like you.
Keren - January 10, 2012
Good advise that will never be followed
jack knight starman - January 10, 2012
^^^^^ This
I’ve always wondered this myself. so many athletes claim to get popped from OTC stuff they assumed was clean. if that’s really the case i always felt like they’d do whatever was possible to at least show to the commissions and league heads of their various sports that they took something innocently, or unknowingly consumed a product with a banned substance.
I feel like, as a professional athlete, I would do my hardest to prove my innocence. doubtful it will make them think to remove the ban, but at least make an effort to show your bosses and the sports world that you’re not a cheat and a jucier.
but that’s just me.
Major B - January 10, 2012 via Android app
I’m sure the story would be that they take so much shit that they can’t be sure which thing they were taking has the steroids in it. That, or there was one pill of steroids in the giant bottle of whatever nonsense they were taking and it’s a miracle that it somehow ended up in the bottle of a professional athlete and then swallowed just before a fight.
Phildo - January 10, 2012
Any athlete subject to any sort of testing, unless they are looking for a cover story for publicities sake,,
is a fool to use any supplement not labeled NSF Certified for Sport. They do very thorough testing, and have agreements in place with approved manufacturers regarding production, quality control, samples of all batches being maintained and the like to be as sure as possible that they are what they say they are.
Having said that, the supplement industry is the wild west, even in the US. They are largely unregulated and there have been many instances documented where they either don’t contain what they claim, contain banned substances, or both.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
I was just reminded
that HFL Sports Science has a similar testing and certification program, and they offer a nifty free list here (100+ page pdf) of batch numbers of various supplements they have tested.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
A free, 100+ page list?!?! Almost seems too easy.
They don’t have the internet in Brazil though, so she would never have had access to this.
Luke Nelson - January 10, 2012
Ha!
On a more serious note, any of you Brazilians know if oral stanazolol (Winstrol) is , readily available legally, whether over the counter, over the counter, but behind the counter (i.e. no prescription needed, like pseudoephedrine in the US) or by prescription only? And if by prescription only, is it tightly controlled like in the US?
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
O no he went there!
Matthi - January 10, 2012
Isn't Bas the guy who said
He fails tests because his testosterone is so naturally high?
There’s a lot of BS that comes out that Dutchman.
KJ Gould - January 10, 2012
There have been a few documented cases of people who do not naturally have a T/E ratio of 1:1,
but the T/E ratio test is used mainly as an inexpensive, front line test, designed to flag which samples are likely to contain synthetic testosterone for more extensive (and expensive) testing.
Even if his testosterone levels were double the normal high end of the range (i.e. 2000+ ng/dl), unless he were also one of the extremely rare individuals with a far greater than 1:1 natural T/E ratio, it would never show up on any sort of urine PED test (those urine tests show nothing about the actual testosterone levels, no matter how high or low).
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Healthy men have way higher than a 1:1 ratio. Around the end of puberty it’s something like 50:1. Even in people with hypogonadism it’s close to 10:1.
Simen - January 10, 2012
Perhaps you are mistaking T/E ratio to mean testosterone to estrogen? Testosterone is produced almost exactly 1:1 in almost all healthy men to epitestosterone, which is the ratio used as a front line urine-based PED test (generally a 4:1 or 6:1 threshold is used as the allowable over/under, which is a very flawed testing method, as I once detailed here). The sole purpose of that test is to flag samples likely to contain synthetic testosterone for further testing (it says nothing about the actual testosterone levels).
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Oh, I see. My bad.
Simen - January 10, 2012
T/E is also only an indicator
And other tests have to come in. It used to be used by itself, but then it was discovered there are all sorts of variants including among different races.
What even WADA don’t want to admit to, is that PED testing is still very much an approximate science, and not an exact science.
KJ Gould - January 10, 2012
Exactly,
T/E by itself is worthless except as a cheap test to identify those likely using synthetic testosterone, so they can be further tested (usually via GC/MS) to identify the specific compound.
I agree many parts of it are somewhat approximate.
If you want to see how scary the other side can potentially be, take a look into the science and assumptions behind said science the NFL is trying to get the NFLPA to agree to…
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Of course,
the dirty little secret in all of this that I’ve never mentioned is that synthetic epitestosterone is also available, and has been for years, rendering the T/E test functionally useless for all but the dumbest…or those unknowingly using…
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Caster Semenya's high testosterone levels
higgledy-piggledy - January 10, 2012
no
she was found to be a hermaphrodite. somehow she didn’t know because her testicles were inside her, as opposed to having both organs on the outside. her problem was a matter of gender since birth due to genetics, not PEDs.
Victor Rodriguez - January 10, 2012
Use the "UP" arrow..
I was replying to this comment:
Click the arrow underneath my comment to the comment I was responding to – [for Context]
The IAAF never confirmed the results to the gender tests; They let her keep her World Championship medal and she’s still competing as a woman.
higgledy-piggledy - January 10, 2012
sorry, misunderstood the nature of it. thanks for the clarification.
Victor Rodriguez - January 10, 2012
I agree with Bas
Have you noticed all these sports people blame something “over the counter” that they knew nothing about? I guess its convenient to do that, but c’mon do they really expect us to believe that? From what I understand, Ms Cyborg was taking something as a weight loss aid, those products usually have stimulant type things in them not hormone related substances (which may in fact, cause weight GAIN)…something doesn’t sound right here don’t you think? Just as a matter of general interest, what they measure in these tests is the testosterone/epi-testosterone ratio which get skewed when a steroid-like substance is used which takes away the argument of just having a “naturally high” level.
Sirus - January 10, 2012
yeah basically what I just said too
a diuretic – weight loss products are relatively cheap…but roids and horomonals typically arent…whoever obtained the product for her knew what they were paying for…
Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski - January 10, 2012
not every steroid turns you into the incredible hulk. She tested positive for one that is used by people cutting weigh/looking to put on lean muscle.
Phildo - January 10, 2012
Winstrol
is not really a mass increasing steroid. It is used for strength gains in higher doses, and for reducing water retention, fat loss and increased red blood cell counts (all desirable things for a weight-cutting MMA fighter). It is also reputed to be an estrogen blocker, but I am not sure about that part.
More importantly, Winstrol is also one of the only steroids “safe” for female athletes to use because it has none of the androgenic (masculinizing) side effects that the testosterone type steroids have in women (male pattern baldness for example).
All things considered, if she was going to use an AAS, this would likely be the one imo.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Thanks for that
I’m glad someone’s looked that up. I’m a bit annoyed that people are all like “yeah, i always thought she looked like a man”, when she never got busted in any previous tests and, as you point out, the steroids she has been caught using have been for losing bulk, rather than hulking up.
jim-ma - January 10, 2012
I agree
The sight test is a poor one indeed for labeling steroid offenders in most all cases… And as I alluded to in another comment, I have no idea about the legal status of stanazolol in Brazil as far as need for a prescription and the like, it might well be over the counter so to speak.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
in her case developing leaner muscle, a more athletic build not an Ultimate Warrior build
True makes sense considering the level of activity she is in.
dandeman - January 10, 2012
i guess that makes sense
she wouldnt want to take anthing that’d make her look like more of a man than she alreay does.
Major B - January 10, 2012 via Android app
the whole I didnt know thing
is like an internet meme now for athletes…it all started in the nfl with the starcaps stuff the athletes legitimately didnt know there was a little bit of diuretic bumetanide which causes you to shed excess water…but roids and horomonal supplements are completely different in effect and in price…
Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski - January 10, 2012
great point Bas
and.. party on!
elmojo - January 10, 2012
"Oh uh... I would but it was discontinued and they all sold out."
“Also I lost my remaining supply and I can’t remember what it was called. I lost the receipt, and I paid in cash. The store I bought it from burned down, with every employee inside.”
menckenstein - January 10, 2012
Logged in just to rec this
Seriously wouldn’t you want your fellow athletes not to get popped using the same “drink”. All it would take is a “here’s what I drank, it’s got stuff in it apparently, everyone else should stay the hell away from it!”
ChillMike - January 10, 2012
I'm guessing people missed that whole USA Today uncovering tainted over the counter supplements story a few years back
Study shows quarter of supplements tainted by steroids
‘Tainted’ supplement makers may face prosecution: FDA
FDA Expands Warning to Consumers About Tainted Weight Loss Pills
KJ Gould - January 10, 2012
I believe that supplements are tainted all the time, but that doesn’t mean I need to buy the excuse or have sympathy when an athlete gets busted.
Phildo - January 10, 2012
This is an issue that can be easily addressed
Professional athletes should not be using over the counter supplements, and world champions definitely shouldn’t be. OTC’s are for weekend warriors or amateur fitness enthusiasts.
The amount of sponsorships that exist in pro sports from supplement companies should mean fighters can get hooked up with a reputable source, but also it is up to a fighter, their manager and trainers to do their research and find out what supplements can be trusted.
Also, if you’re sponsored by a supplement company as an athlete and are expected to use the supplements as part of an endorsement agreement, all managers must insist a liability clause from that sponsor in the event of tainted supplements. A liability clause that will force them to make a giant pay out if their client pops positive because of their supplements, since the result pretty much ruins their career.
KJ Gould - January 10, 2012
Well said.
The supplement industry is a disaster, but if you depend on it for you well being you need to find a way to make sure you aren’t getting the tainted batch.
Phildo - January 10, 2012
but like Bas said...
if thats the case then she should throw the supplement company under the bus, the fact she hasnt named a specific supplement is why people are questioning her…
Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski - January 10, 2012
they never do and it doesn’t matter.
If she did, she’s still going to be suspended, and when she comes up with a supplement that says “does everything winstrol does, but totally isn’t a steroid guys, I swear,” people won’t feel bad.
She would have been better off saying nothing, this defense is played out.
Phildo - January 10, 2012
yeah she's cooked regardless but still...
it would be the class move to do at this point…at least as to say this fucked me up dont use it…I know she won’t so in my opinion she was straight up cheating, shots in the butt or whatever I feel like she knew…again thats just my opinion…
Chris WhiteDynamite Bielanski - January 10, 2012
Or she gets sued for defamation and a huge investigation goes underway against the supplement maker.
Regardless she wont be able to fight and will wind up fighting it out in the courts
Papercut Elbow - January 10, 2012
Very few supplement companies will do that. These companies pop up with great new packaging make some money and disappear.
Many of them routinely spike batches of their product so that it becomes hot and they can make some good money selling others garbage that is pretty much useless. Keep in mind even protein shakes have strange ingredients in them so i mean can athletes not depend on those as well? Do I think the majority of these guys that get popped are getting popped for legit steroids? Yes. Do I think that no one has a handle on the supplement industry and that its such a large market that until you have a large amount of deaths nothing will change? Yes. Personally she may have willingly used steroids, cycled and actually got caught for the OTC. We don’t know. All professional athletes will look to LEGAL ways to improve on their athleticism. They are by nature competitive and it is their jobs and livelihood.
Papercut Elbow - January 10, 2012
Thanks for the information
I didn’t know most of that.
Anyway, I’m going to go ahead and assume you don’t buy into her “tainted supplements” excuse at all. Correct me if I’m wrong.
This is about the least suprising positive test we’ve had thus far IMO, and I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for her. She’s mad her name physically overpowering and beating down overmatched girls. Cyborg relies more on physcal strength than skill, and now there is proof that at least some of that ability is gained through the use of steroids.
Case closed in my book.
Anton Chigurh - January 10, 2012
I don't buy it
As I mentioned, being a world champion it is absolutely down to her, her manager and coaches to be more vigilant about her supplement intake. The ‘playing dumb’ routine just doesn’t cut it anymore.
And MMA managers considering a deal with Xyience or Musclepharm, or whoever else sponsors fighters, should insist on the liability clause I mentioned. If the companies are above board and don’t lace their products with steroids to make them more effective, there’s nothing to lose in agreeing to the liability clause. If they’re hesitant or don’t want to, alarm bells should start ringing that they’re trying to hide something.
KJ Gould - January 11, 2012
How many fighters don't test positive vs the ones that do, though, ya know?
And what were her levels?
menckenstein - January 10, 2012
This is why supplements need to be better regulated.
As it is now, consumers could be swallowing capsules crack cocaine (or more likely sugar pills) and they wouldn’t know.
Sabate - January 10, 2012
Exactly
The International Olympic Committee had done a larger scale test a few years prior to that, with similar findings (just under 20% tainted with steroids, including 6 of 9 “testosterone boosters”). USA Today article says about 25% had steroid contamination in that study.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
Read my lips Bas, she did not take steroids..period.
malo - January 10, 2012
Vera de Milo would be so proud.
malo - January 10, 2012
Photoshopped Cyborg's head on Gladiator Gina's body... tricky!
menckenstein - January 10, 2012
My first thought...
She looks fat…I thought she was more ripped….
Naztuu - January 10, 2012
is that Mark Coleman's body...
With Cyborg’s head? Oh fuck, the nightmares!
I_Mad - January 10, 2012 via mobile
The fact that I thought this was legit for a half second speaks volumes…. Either on her physique or on my fatigue.
Hendo_One-Shot - January 10, 2012
Cyborg, I am a big fan of yours, but...
Uncle Red - January 10, 2012
Though I dont believe this is the case here.
There is a movie call bigger stronger faster ( or something to that effect) that shows people can put whatever they want into supplements cause they are not regulated. It’s an interesting documentary. I suggest checking it out.
fightersvizion - January 10, 2012 via mobile
I saw that movie, really interesting specially the part about the suplements.
edtSD - January 10, 2012
Mr. Rutten,
I was unsure if I didn’t like you or if I enjoyed your quirkiness. But after I you ended that thought with “just sayin’”, I now have my answer.
So to quote that alien in the Mos Eisley Cantina “I don’t like you, and my friend, he doesn’t like you either.”
Brandon Degaph - January 10, 2012 via mobile
How can you not like Bas Rutten? You should quote aliens because your not from this world.
God Speed and Party On!
RECE ROCK - January 10, 2012
rec
PeopleWatching - January 10, 2012
Greening that one
you can’t not like Bas, that just blasphemous.
soilworker - January 10, 2012
It’s BASphemy
/lame pun raccoon
bcpjkell - January 10, 2012
Clearly
You fine folks tolerate “just sayin’” as a suffix much better than I do.
Brandon Degaph - January 10, 2012 via mobile
The real issue here is that I'm nor following Bas on twitter.
I apologize to everyone and will rectify this immediately.
Chris Hall - January 10, 2012 via Android app
In her drink
Get the fuck outta here – it’s pretty obvious she has been juicing for a long time. She really thinks that is believable given how she looks? :-S
taptomyarmbar - January 10, 2012
Cyborg's life must be like the "hangover" movie... but instead of Ruffies it's roids her friend drugs her with...
RECE ROCK - January 10, 2012
Yeah, because that worked for Sherk
Even if it’s truly the case, you can’t clear your name once you’ve been suspended. People are too stupid.
Charles Awad - January 10, 2012
Bas is spot on here
Too many fighters refuse to take responsibilty for their actions. Name the supplement, get your name cleared, help other athletes avoid making the same mistake. It’s quite simple really.
@KatanaClothing - January 10, 2012
Great point by Bas. The problem is when she produces said supplement and it says Winstrol right on the packaging it might not help her case.
nomomrnicekyle - January 10, 2012
This is true
Athletes are responsible for what they put in their bodies, so from the AC point of view intent really doesn’t matter.
The American Ronin - January 10, 2012
History shows that when people are caught cheating they will...
…deny, deny, deny.
I was a Cyborg fan, but no longer. If she admitted what she did instead of this lame supplement story, it would help gradually win me back. There is some upside to being honest.
Django Z - January 10, 2012
Victor Conte tweeted about
how there has never been an over the counter dietary supplement found ever to contain stanozolol
Even though Conte is a sleazebag, but hot damn, he knows his shits when it comes to this stuff
BrandtShaft! - January 10, 2012
I thought diuretics weren't allowed anyway
Papercut Elbow - January 10, 2012
Bas is the only one that ever made sense.
mmazing - January 10, 2012
1. Bas is hilarious & spot on as usual.
2. There is NO WAY cyborg will actually do that because it is wayyy to simple, and smart, and makes entirely too much sense.
3. IF she did turn it in? She’d be caught lying and that wouldn’t work out in her favor at all.
Nathan Eli - January 10, 2012
Over the Counter, Oh yeah
I’m with Bas on this
IF there is an over the counter dietary aide that contians BOVINE STEROIDS
then for Pete’s sake tell everyone which one it is
not just for the sake of fighters but for everyone’s sake
so the right officials can get it off the market or at least off the shelf
Sadly
I don’t believe her story; no dietary aide, no over the counter,
but she may have been told by SOMEONE that is was safe and legal
Gee Whiz, I wonder who is close enough to Cyborg that she will simply take any unknown substance on no more than their word?
It is really sad for she was right on the verge of at least one money-making fight and maybe more IF she could get to 135
(where honestly most of her victims have come from anyway)
kah - January 11, 2012
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