Bloody Elbow

MaximumWatermelon - January 10, 2012 reply

I think he believes in the fictional phrase “freedom of speech.”

freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to physically threaten the president. the first amendment also allows employers to fire employees who act like idiots. you’re confusing a bunch of things here.

Anyone who thinks there's no exceptions to freedom of speech...

Should tell everyone on the next plane they’re boarding that there’s a bomb on it.

And that’s not even mentioning that stupid fallacy where people forget it only has to do with government intervention in the first place. Otherwise, everyone would tell their boss what a dick he is.

I see you're a Fitch fan

You’re a dick.

I'm still in my grieving process, come on now.

keyboardwarrior - January 10, 2012 reply

freedom of speech?

he is free to say whatever he wants/chooses but that doesn’t mean he will stay employed. Hell, if I went up to my boss and called him a fucking cock sucker and got fired, I wouldn’t argue that I have freedom of speech and therefore can’t be fired.

I assume that was a reply fail...

Since I said this up above…

And that’s not even mentioning that stupid fallacy where people forget it only has to do with government intervention in the first place. Otherwise, everyone would tell their boss what a dick he is.

keyboardwarrior - January 10, 2012 reply

it wasn’t a direct reply to you, just a reply to the conversation in general. I hate the people who think freedom of speech absolves them of all responsibility for the things that come out of their mouths.

Ah, well carry on, then!

MaximumWatermelon - January 11, 2012 reply

Oh sorry, i didn’t know expressing your opinion about a president and making terrorist accusations was the same thing.

Physically threaten the president...

Do you really think he was being serious? Do you seriously think he would actually try to attack Obama? If you do, please stay away from any type of satire, you may end up getting a stroke.

no, i don’t think he was serious, but i also think it doesn’t matter. it’s just like a bomb threat. it doesn’t matter if you were “joking.” and i’d say the same thing if it were Jeff Monson promising to slap a keylock on Bush. it’s just not acceptable in a democratic country to physically threaten elected officials, especially the president.

It does matter

If a person says something that is ridiculous, it cannot be taken seriously, and thus there is no crime. The glassectomy thing is incredibly ridiculous, so I shouldn’t even need to elucidate on that. His comment saying someone “should knock some sense into that guy” is rhetorical speech, and should not be seen as an actual threat. His calling out the president to a fight in the UFC, is also ridiculous, and once again, I shouldn’t have to point out why.

A bomb threat is an entirely different story. There is nothing ridiculous of threatening to detonate a bomb in a plane. Especially given the fact that people have tried, and have succeeded in doing this.

I don’t agree with a political discussion in your post-fight interview. But it seems you don’t understand how the first amendment is truly used in these cases.

who said anything about a crime?

what has Volkmann been charged with?

Look at what Thuggis said before me.

Last I checked

saying stupid shit generally isn’t a crime either, which is what thuggis was talking about. It’s just stupid, and often carries ramifications.

A bomb threat is an entirely different story. There is nothing ridiculous of threatening to detonate a bomb in a plane. Especially given the fact that people have tried, and have succeeded in doing this.

By this logic, threatening the president should be taken just as seriously, because people have tried and succeeded in killing the previous presidents.

QED.

WOW

READING COMPREHENSION!
The word ridiculous. It has a meaning. Look it up then comment.

When you live in a country where a man tried to murder the president in order to impress Jodie Foster...

… very little counts are ridiculous.

*as ridiculous

I think JFA is still around in some form. they were cool

http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/cs181/projects/nuremberg-files/legal.html

Look up True Threat

That is the criteria the courts use to determine whether or not a threat can be prosecuted.
True Threat:

a threat that a reasonable person would interpret as a real and serious communication of an intent to inflict harm
NOTE: True threats are not protected as free speech by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and render the person making the threat liable to criminal prosecution.

taken from dictionary.reference.com.
Also, read this as it helps to illustrate further what a True Threat is.

Okay…now where’s the part in the dictionary that says you can’t be suspended from your job for making ridiculous (threatening) comments on a sitting president?

If your job is waiter, I guess there is no problem. If your job is teaching children it might be inappropriate.

V C - January 10, 2012 reply

You do know

that he can easily litigate that suspension right? Everything he said in that interview was protected speech. There were no fighting words, obscenities, etc. And there was never a “True Threat”.

juanchoD - January 12, 2012 reply

Actually sometimes it is necessary to threaten public officials

Different story entirely.

discoandherpes - January 10, 2012 reply

the secret service

has paid visits to grade schoolers who drew pictures of the president getting shot. They give zero fucks if you are kidding or not.

A serious case can be made that the parents of the kids were trying to brainwash them into hating the president.

In which case the Secret Service had more than a right to pay a visit to them. As for the secret service paying a visit to Volkmann’s house, if they tried to prosecute him for what he said in the interview with Helwani. The case would be dismissed immediately.

...

Winner of the dumbest comment of 2012 so far. Congratulations, juanchoD

Really?

If you think parents don’t brainwash their children, then I suggest you should go back to sleep and continue to live in your dreamland.

MaximumWatermelon - January 11, 2012 reply

“Physically threatening” the president would be to grab him by the collar and tell him if he doesn’t do his job right you’ll bash his face in. Jacob Volkmann did not physically threaten the president at all.

Even then

Volkmann’s comments aren’t even close to constituting a true threat.

juanchoD - January 12, 2012 reply

In order to post here

everyone should be forced to read, and truly understand, what the first amendment actually allows. Seems like this freedom of speech argument comes up all the time.

MemphisMike - January 10, 2012 reply

One of the staffers banned someone for it once. Hilarious.

sounds like you can get banned for sneezing at the wrong time around here.

Nope, that's far from the truth.

As long as people act civilized they face no fear of being banned. I’m yet to even get a warning here in the 3 years I’ve been a member, and I’m kind of a dick at times.

thats true.

so is the banned part.

The banhammer can come suddenly when things get a little heated or the stupidity factor is very high.

Phildo - January 10, 2012 reply

Hendo_One-Shot - January 10, 2012 reply

it is now get your dumb ass in the back of that car and zip it

completely agree—what a moron. the first time could be chalked up to carelessness, but he should really know better by now. completely unprofessional, and not very funny, either.

I'm all for calling out all the scumbags that populate Washington DC

But be tactful about it, especially if you work with children in any capacity.

Why not just call out Washington then?

There is no such thing as an honest politician. And really, Obama is the closest thing to it, and I trust him about as much as I trust a grizzly bear not to eat my dinner if I left it in front of him.

No he's not the closest thing to it, he is a US president.

The close-to-honest politician is usually some city council member who shakes things up and doesn’t get re-elected because they wouldn’t play the game.

Right

The guy who appoints a Goldman-Sachs member as secretary of state is the closest thing to an honest politician…

SteamboatWillie - January 10, 2012 reply

Fact fail

I think you meant Treasury Secretary, but keep fucking that chicken

Hank Paulson

recd

for chickenfuking

ernie anastos approves

Hilary was a Goldman-Sachs member? Or was it Condoleeza Rice?

I dun' goofed

I definitely meant Treasury Secretary. Lack of sleep and all that…

consequences will never be the same

Volkman is making waves for some really stupid reasons

It’s not even endearing like Chael.

HaterSlayer - January 10, 2012 reply

It may not have been what was intended but Volkman's statement baited the school district into this action

They are being made to look like underlings for Obama that will protect his name at any expense. If they had let it go and wait for real fricken threat this shit would not be as overblown as it is now.

dandeman - January 10, 2012 reply

It's FOX News.

Any rational person will see through their attempts to demonize any sort of decency towards the President.

Charger567 - January 10, 2012 reply

doesnt really seem like they are demonizing anything...

benten20 - January 10, 2012 reply

at least Chael is funny

he has charm and does his trolling in a tounge-in-cheek manner.
Volkmann has an odd delivery and the jokes ain’t even that good. not only that, but saying the president should be beat up [even though i don’t take it to be a serious threat, coming from him] isn’t so much edgy as it’s just childish.

SentientAndroid - January 10, 2012 reply

Wow

he really doesn’t Obama.

Side Note: How cool would it be to have a UFC fighter as your assistant HS wrestling coach?

he accidentally the whole bottle?

Yesterday I accidentally all my arm hair

Chris Hall - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Poland cannot into space?

Psychoblack all the white people.

Matt Roth was tired of up in train yards

RECE ROCK - January 10, 2012 reply

Abe Lincoln the theater.

GSP me

MemphisMike - January 10, 2012 reply

Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop

Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist - January 10, 2012 reply

I saw the Nogueiras feeding the carrots

If it wasn't for Reddit consuming my life, I'd have no idea what this meant.

If it weren't for retirement, I wouldn't either.

But that shit’s funny as hell

SentientAndroid - January 10, 2012 reply

lol lol

*like

You bastards knew what I meant!

Yeah they did, they just took the opportunity to you real good.

Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist - January 10, 2012 reply

Well sir

I hard.

awkwarrrrrd

dajulzta - January 10, 2012 reply

My wife is a teacher.

I learned from her, and Volkmann should know, educators aren’t allowed to have a political opinion. They’re prohibited from having politically oriented bumper stickers, going to public rallies, etc. His dumb ass should know better.

Andy Davis - January 10, 2012 reply

yet the NEA fan

Pump millions into the coffers of democrats. If he’d said this about Bush they’ve hailed him as a hero.

filo bedo - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

yeah like the dixie chicks

What a great point

And this is why you don’t go around saying shit personally about the president in inappropriate venues

troyd - January 10, 2012 reply

Hank Williams' song getting pulled from Monday Night Football is another good example.

I understand why

the NEA does that. Regardless of any other issue, Democrats are generally the ones who pump money into education.

Andy Davis - January 10, 2012 reply

i understand why

They do. It’s just funny how teachers aren’t allowed to have political opinions…unless they’re pro-democrat. No matter which side of the political spectrum you’re on this is wrong.

filo bedo - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

look dont be mad no one wants to hear your silly greedy right wing views

not mad at all

You seem like the one who’s mad. I never claimed a political side. You are the one who used the term silly right wing views. So sorry if my distaste for censorship offends you.

filo bedo - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Pretty sure he was just being facetious.

In-depth political opinions aren’t for here…

"No, you're mad!"

Did we really just go there? Are we 12? I don’t think anyone has a problem with people expressing themselves, but if the sound of your voice is muffled and difficult to understand because your (I mean Volkman, not you) head is crammed up your no no place, then we can use our ability to express our opinion, and tell him he’s a mo.

And where's your evidence to support this?

well sir you can tune in to watch those jokes have their little debates and then you can make your own opinion on how you feel thats all the evidence i need in my opinion but what do i know mr young? have a nice day

I’m sure you’ll find plenty of evidence of it on the fair-and-balanced network.

nastyem - January 10, 2012 reply

All unions do that

No politics, unless it is their politics
wrong or otherwise

troyd - January 10, 2012 reply

dude

they can have opinions, they just need to keep that shit out of the classroom. who the fuck could honestly believe that ALL teachers that express their political views are pro-Democratic? dude was right, you are the one that is wrong.

Not where I live.

Here, teachers are effectively prohibited from having a political opinion different from that of their union, but if they want to back the union’s position they can yell it as loudly as they want.

Llewdor - January 10, 2012 reply

True enough and I am in a union, its whoopie union this or back of the line we do not want to here your opinion.

dandeman - January 10, 2012 reply

you mean they’re not allowed to express an opinion.
perhaps as an assistant coach he might not see himself as a teacher.
then again, i don’t have a clue what his reasoning might be.

Our Bovine Public - January 10, 2012 reply

as an educator

I can support that. We are allowed to have our own opinions, but we all know that if we get too vocal with it can blowback on us because the administration will be worried about parents getting upset that we could be influence their children’s views.

T.P. Grant - January 11, 2012 reply

What an ass

Seriously

Oh dear, Fox News is gonna have a field day with this and somehow blaming the Obama Admin for putting the Volk on leave.

I can see it now. Fox News will Volkmannize us all.

Fox "News." More like Fox "Right Wing Rhetoric"

That's SLANDER

how dare you.

Ugh

Volkman’s politics are garbage, but even if I agreed with him 100% percent I don’t want politics in the cage, period. It is the last thing I want to hear about from a fighter. Well, I guess other than rape van jokes.

Tag01 - January 10, 2012 reply

No kidding.

I long for the days that we just talked about how boring it is to watch him fight. Jacob “Niquil” Volkman!

is Niquil the Russian knockoff version of NyQuil?

I agree with his politics, and your sentiment 100%. Volkmann needs to keep his trap shut

Stupid and pointless. Why even put yourself in that position? For a cheap pop?

That being said,

one parent had complained

I know that’s Volkmann claiming that, but if it’s true, c’mon.

It was Volkmann's mom

she’s releasing a tell all book about how he sleeps with all the presidents behind his wife’s back.

I remember when I checked out Volkmann's twitter account.

His answer to every negative tweet was that the user is probably

a) unemployed
b) uneducated
c) on a welfare program
d) therefore ‘steals’ money from hard working guys like him.
and
e) voted Obama.

Actually his answer was always a), b), c), d) and e) combined. Very Charming guy

killphil - January 10, 2012 reply

But how do you know they weren’t.

/BV wins election.
//4 More Years!

say what you will, haters

but if you have chest hair like that you should be able to say whatever the fuck you want.

Finally, someone with a good opinion on the matter.

Shnak - January 10, 2012 reply

lol whatever he’s not matt hughes thats a chest a young man can admire and wish to only be equal to

Dude, Brian Ebersole. 'Nuff said.

someone has to represent for that weight class

The guy is a bit of a twit.

I get if he doesn’t agree with Obama’s policies, but he consistently makes threats or durogatory comments about Obama with no real reason other than the fact he has nothing better to say. I’m all for freedom of speech, but pull your head outta your ass when you speak. And to the point, what exactly has Obama done that has this dum dum so up in arms? Ooooh, he wants to give people who can’t afford healthcare a chance to get…..well, healthcare. Isnt that one of the things we praised the UFC for last year? I get it, he hates poor people……great, now I am talking politics on an MMA site.

We can talk about how boring Volkmann is as a fighter instead.

I would rather watch him give a 15-minute stand-up comedy performance than rewatch that Escudero fight. In fact, the last fight of his I’d consider rewatching is his Kampmann loss.

Gah!

Him and Nik Lentz should fight . There ability to be utterly worthless in the cage would cancel each other out and they’d be swallowed by a black hole.

Actually, I take that back Lentz’s last fight with Bocek was watchable. Albeit barely.

Wonder if I am going to get the typical....

,,,,“you’re not a fighter, how dare you have an opinion on MMA?!” response?

Reminds me of when Serra was a dick to that non-fighter on TUF long ago...

Can’t remember the context behind it anymore, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D27t1mllMpM

Context

Dude was all up on Hughes’ nuts for beating Royce Gracie, which was the last straw for Matt Serra and he just unloaded on the guy. I kind of sided with Serra, honestly, because the dude was laying around, sleeping, looked like a couch potato yet knew all there was to winning fights…having never competed himself.

RobtWeaver - January 10, 2012 reply

Yeah

Marc Laimon was acting like a real life keyboard warrior.

discoandherpes - January 10, 2012 reply

Laimon comes off as a total douche if you don't know him

seems very arrogant

Cunny - January 11, 2012 reply

Here's the video from TUF

Ignore the title of the vid, i really have no idea why they named it that.

Genki Sudo's Choreographer - January 11, 2012 reply

is there a difference

between his comedy and his striking?

Striking? What striking? He can't even really strike on the ground effectively.

(I feel like I’m figter bashing. Am i fighter bashing?)

Naw, just telling the truth.

He doesn’t put in weeks of training for his jokes… At least… I hope not.

the only interesting part of that fight was when Escudero tried to work that submission in the third. aside from that, it was almost like the Woodley/Mein fight.

Maybe a parent complained because their child had begun to tell poorly constructed jokes.

Ubernoober - January 10, 2012 reply

Just leave politics AND religion out of your post fight interviews...........

Naztuu - January 10, 2012 reply

amen

Thanking your deity isn't on par to suggesting harm come to someone.

Just sayin’.

but sometimes its fucking creepy

a la dennis hallman

or fucking funny a la Bendo

CAN I GET AN AMEN!?

GreyedOut - January 10, 2012 reply

I'm a Christian.

And that was too far even to me.

T.C. Engel - January 10, 2012 reply

Hallmans was a definite beverage exiting nasal canal WTF moment for sure. I was laughing so hard after that one. As for Bendo I just feel awkward for the guy.

So Volkmann needs to talk about who he’s for, not who he’d like to see beat up. Bet he figures a way to screw up his delivery on that too.

V C - January 10, 2012 reply

Despite the fact that he isn't a very exciting fighter

I actually am a fan of Volkmann the fighter…the guy who came in and lost his first UFC fight, battling through being dropped once or twice during the fight…the guy who turned around and took a super short notice fight against a dangerous guy and lived with starting his UFC career at 0-2.

The guy who then dropped down to LW and has done what he needed to do to put wins together and sort of earn some ‘Win security’ with the promotion.

He isn’t exciting, but I like that he has done what he needed to do to stay in the best organization out there.

I do not like the stupid, lets call them ‘jokes’ he makes about the president….it’s just annoying…and frankly, I don’t like stories about him being visited by the CIA or being put on administrative leave taking up space on MMA websites.

Chris Groves - January 10, 2012 reply

I tried

I was a student at Minnesota when Volkmann and Brock were wrestling and I saw them wrestle. When Volkmann came to the UFC I was excited and wanted to be a fan of his.

He clearly wants me not to be a fan of his.

Philosophy Pro - January 10, 2012 reply

Yeah I can get behind Volkmann

until he opens his mouth. If he would just do the whole thanking of the sponsors thing or call out a future opponent and be done he’d be doing himself a solid.

You buy the ticket, you take the ride.

uwcb - January 10, 2012 reply

You get the turkey, you eat the dressing.

Ubernoober - January 10, 2012 reply

You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

SteveevaD - January 10, 2012 reply

You called down the Thunder, now reap the whirlwind!!

dandeman - January 10, 2012 reply

You put the bun in the oven, you deal with the bread.

Machiel Van - January 10, 2012 reply

you stick your head up a bull's ass, you get a good look at a t-bone

beat me to it. i must rec.

You mess with the bull, you die horribly and end up on 4gifs

Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist - January 10, 2012 reply

You mess with the 4chan, you get the goatse

or tubgirl

You sit at the bar next to Uncle Red, you become the target of awkward and unwanted advances

Uncle Red - January 10, 2012 reply

Oh Volkmann, you never learn.

holy shit.

the only funny thing the post-conan tonight show has ever done.

love helwani

hes like, ‘i didnt see anything.’
can we get m.sphinx on the payroll, just cranking out gifs all day????

THAT'S AWESOME

i stopped being entertained by this thread after the turtle picture

benten20 - January 10, 2012 reply

People need to keep politics and religion separate to sport. Nobody really gives a damn what you think one way or another, they just want to watch some fights.

Hellsing - January 10, 2012 reply

Called out

JacobVolkmann Jacob Volkmann
Hey @BloodyElbow stop twisting the truth to make a story.

Charger567 - January 10, 2012 reply

@JacobVolkmann stop calling out the President and whining when there are consequences!

Machiel Van - January 10, 2012 reply

What did bloodyelbow twist?

Hendo_One-Shot - January 10, 2012 reply

They called Volkmann a fighter.

BOOM!

Roasted

cletusvandam - January 10, 2012 reply

That was timely and spectacular. kudos.

Hendo_One-Shot - January 10, 2012 reply

dajulzta - January 10, 2012 reply

slowclap.gif

I tweeted him this exact question immediately after he tweeted it

he has yet to respond

cletusvandam - January 10, 2012 reply

He’ll probably just assume your an unemployed, uneducated person on welfare who steals money from people like him and voted for Obama.

Machiel Van - January 10, 2012 reply

lol

killphil - January 10, 2012 reply

BE TOOK HIM OUT OF CONTEXT

(typical thing for his type to say even when you weren’t taken out of context)

Paulo Filho's Psychiatrist - January 10, 2012 reply

The headline was misleading.

Shoulda been “Illegally Censored by His Government, Political Firebrand Jacob Volkmann’s Search for Freedom of Speech aided by Fox News Patriots”

American Hero and UFC Title Contender Jacob Volkmann

hey @jacobvolkmann

please record yourself reading this thread, then post the video under ‘fanshots.’
btw, you have excellent chest hair.

Whoa, your username is true

or maybe im just secure enough to appreciate a good chest patch?

#no h_m_

Oh I know. I once said Roger Huerta was handsome

It's nice and whispy.

im curious when hes gonna accuse obama of being an muslim

benten20 - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

wait a second, I thought he was a Muslim

biggant - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Damn birthers

You know Fox only reported on this cause Volkmann keeps the “Chirst” in Christmas. If his name was Jacob “Xmas” Volkmann we’d have never heard this story.

M C M - January 10, 2012 reply

Can't expect much from a media outlet that can't even tell the difference between Sarah Palin and Tina Fey...

or an outlet that believes a Japanese dance club is an actual city with a nuclear reactor in it.

of course they’ll make it look like this ‘American Hero’ is being ostracized and being silenced by the big evil mega-liberal government. it’s what they want their cattle to believe.

Did you know Firefox, Microsoft, and Apple are search engines?

fuck...

i missed that one. almost spat my water back out.
thanks!

They got it only half right...

…because that club is the bomb. Boo-ya. Please don’t ban me.