Bloody Elbow

I would cut him some slack

His fighter just got a victory, one he trained months for, stolen from him by an shitty call. If it wasn’t for the fact that the UFC execs were reasonable in these situations, Silva would have lost out on half his pay over this situation.

Mario should have asked to look at a replay of footage like Mazagatti did when Jon Jones fought Hamill before calling it a DQ. Mistakes like these can be very bad for a manger’s clients, since lots of money could be potentially lost over them.

Mario should have asked to look at a replay of footage like Mazagatti did when Jon Jones fought Hamill before calling it a DQ.

Are you sure that happened?

From the way I remember it, Maz asked Hamill if he could continue, to which Hamill replied No…but Maz assumed it was due to the illegal blows and not the broken shoulder from the Jones through earlier in the fight…which, if memory serves was the real reason that Hamill couldn’t continue.

Jones should have had a point deducted, but then awarded the win because the other fighter couldn’t continue. Maz kind of fucked it up, even if he did check the tape.

Razreshat - January 15, 2012 reply

I'm pretty sure Mazzagatti used IR to make sure Jones used illegal elbows that prompted him to stop the fight.

According to mmajunkie

At The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale on Dec. 5, Jones controlled Hamill, dislocated his shoulder on a takedown, battered him with ground and pound, but suffered the first-round DQ loss when instant replay showed Jones had connected on illegal downward elbow strikes.

As MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) first reported on fight night, the Nevada State Athletic Commission and referee Steve Mazzagatti used instant replay for the first time and determined the illegal elbow strikes – which came after a prolonged ground-and-pound assault – contributed to Hamill’s inability to continue. By rule, the fight was ruled a disqualification because the blows weren’t considered inadvertent.

Man, Wallid is awesome.

He is just really intense. Also, he is extremely intense…

…Did I mention he is one intense dude?

Man, MMA would be alot more boring of a place without Wallid.

Igorstyle - January 15, 2012 reply

Also, Yamasaki is not a good ref. He have a history of strange calls (remember Trigg – Hughes 2 anyone?) and horrible stand ups.

Igorstyle - January 15, 2012 reply

What a fool

You were already the victim. Now you just look like an asshole.

alxn - January 15, 2012 reply

You don’t know Wallid well do you?

Wallid does not give a fuck what you think of him

One of the charms of Wallid, if you ask me.

Jonathan. - January 15, 2012 reply

Which is just... classic him.

You win, Archer falls into one of those instant rec categories, like Game of Thrones.

Ricardo Arguello - January 15, 2012 reply

Bit of an overreaction by Wallid

But then Im talking about Wallid….

Seriously

this is about as calm as Wallid could be about it.

Chris Barton - January 15, 2012 reply

Wallid Ismail being Wallid Ismail ...

zzwab - January 15, 2012 reply

Wallids gonna Wallid...

Magaca - January 15, 2012 reply

My issue is that the refereeing in MMA is horribly inconsistent

What is back of the head? Is it the mohawk or headphones theory? Could you stop the fight like an illegal knee, breaking the fighters and giving a warning or point deduction? Or do you stop the fight and give the other guy the victory? You just don’t know. Each Ref is has his own subjective opinion. I mean almost every fight you could argue that one guy got hit in the back of the head. This will definitely become a more severe issue now that guys are getting DQ’d for the same thing other fighters are praised for. (Pouncing on a guy and throwing flurries)

Scribonius Curio - January 15, 2012 reply

I assume the rule is supposed to protect the top of the spine by the bottom of the neck. If that’s the case, I think the mohawk theory makes the most sense.

MostDiabolicalCasanova - January 15, 2012 reply

question

understandably there was only one solid shot that landed flush to the back of the head…but since that shot contributed significantly to the stoppage, i follow the logic of the DQ – not that i agree with the decision at all.

for example, the reason jon jones was DQ’d for illegal elbows to matt hamill was ridiculous…considering hamill told the ref he could not continue, and then later elaborated that the reason was due to a shoulder injury that occurred during the takedown…. So hamill’s ability to continue was due to something completely unrelated to jones’ foul. to me that’s ridiculous.

the illegal blow silva landed last night had a more significant role in the stoppage. so, ridiculous? more like unfortunate/frustrating

mctapout - January 15, 2012 reply

after those elbows from jones...

Hammil was in lala land. Regardless if his shoulder was insured or not, I still don’t believe Hammil would’ve continued.

Sonnenmeister - January 15, 2012 via mobile reply

i guess i never really asked a question.

so let me edit the comment subject… eh hem, “statement”

mctapout - January 15, 2012 reply

Rogan's not the ref, Yamasaki is

The knee hurt the guy, and those Lesnar machine gun punches coming in packs of 8 per second makes it hard to do much, but go, “ok, wtf.” Its that flush punch to the COMPLETE back of the head that dirt-napped the guy and is the one Mario took a stand on

WAY TO GO MARIO! MADE THE RIGHT CALL! IM MAKING A LOVE SIGN AT YOU BRO

Its that flush punch to the COMPLETE back of the head that dirt-napped the guy

No it’s not. On top of that Mario was running in to stop the fight before that punch landed.

The real culprit is the whole headphones/mohawk argument.

Chris Barton - January 15, 2012 reply

That still doesn't make it ok to DQ Silva.

Those strikes were inadvertent since Prater turned his head into that position while Silva was in mid-swing. If you look at the replay of the stoppage, you can only count 1-2 accidentally strikes at best before Silva continued with more legal strikes.

He should have stopped it right there and taken a point. Don’t wait until after the fact to retroactively disqualify him.

Yamasaki is a joke. A FOOKIN JOKE!

MostDiabolicalCasanova - January 15, 2012 reply

Apparently he was only going to take a point, but since Prater could not continue it was ruled a DQ

tigerlee - January 16, 2012 reply

More people know mario than wallid

wallid is the legend

but to non hardcores hes the nobody

poor dq

but mario admitted he was wrong so wallid should at least take that into account

but wallid gonna wallid

Cunny - January 15, 2012 reply

Wallids a legend because of his personality

…and what may or may not have happened on the beach with Ryan Gracie. Thats about it

So the whole “being an amazing jiu jitsu competitor” thing doesn’t factor in?

MostDiabolicalCasanova - January 15, 2012 reply

Nah, dime a dozen on Wallid's level

Musta missed when he choked out Royce

Matthew Roth - January 15, 2012 via iPhone app reply

thats part of his personality

where he made royce pee pee himself

elmojo - January 15, 2012 reply

I think Wallid is way more known tbh, he’s the owner of Jungle Fight, the biggest promotion in South America and has way more contacts inside the industry than Mario could ever dream of.

Orcus - January 15, 2012 via Android app reply

i was thinking globally, among casuals

but i take your point

Cunny - January 15, 2012 reply

Run Yamasaki... run and never look back.

the guy with the big nose - January 15, 2012 reply

BOOLSHEET

IRodC - January 15, 2012 reply

I’m OK with Mario’s call: that wasn’t absolutely necessary, but it’s still better than the laziness we’ve witnessed lately about shots to the back of the head, especially when they result in TKOs.

(And I’m not sure what Yamasaki being a nobody has to do with anything.)

Firm1 - January 15, 2012 reply

I agree too

but I think it should be a no contest, and not a DQ. I feel the same about bones “loss” to hamill

Bones got screwed, in my opinion.

Razreshat - January 15, 2012 reply

How?

Jones intentionally threw illegal elbows. There was nothing accidental about it.

the guy with the big nose - January 16, 2012 reply

the fight should have been stopped way before the elbows even came into bones’s mind

alright

bad call, it sucks to be a ref, you get shat on constantly.

I disagree with what Rogan was doing, questioning the stoppage like that, put the ref in a really bad position, hope the guy arrives home safely.

elmojo - January 15, 2012 reply

love that rogan called him out on it

But where where you when someone needed to ask dan why he was standing up fights too quick.

mikeI981j - January 15, 2012 reply

Ive been a huge Joe Rogan fan forever. Ni one can do it better than him.

But I would be happy if he got a private spanking for his comments

Skoobs - January 15, 2012 reply

MARIO THAT WAS BOOLSHEET YOU FUCKIN CHEEKEN

bigstupidsmile - January 15, 2012 reply

All I know is

that call sure fucked up my Silva/Palhares/Vitor/Aldo parlay.

Ak.Death - January 15, 2012 reply

Anyone got a GIF of the shots?

Live it looked like a ton of shots to the back of the head

SSreporters - January 15, 2012 reply

See here.

there was a way better angle on it, that angle makes it look like every shot landed to the back of his head. He definitely got the back of the head a couple times but nothing like the bombs Hendo landed on Fedor, or Vitor landed on Sexy, those were way more blatant and both those guys took home KO wins.

Ak.Death - January 15, 2012 reply

OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony got away with murder.

I’m gonna go stab somebody right now and use that as my defense in court.

Also, neither of those fights were refereed by Mario, so it’s not a matter of his consistency. Those were Herb Dean and Yves Lavigne respectively. You can’t ask refs to make mistakes because other refs made the same mistakes too.

Guys are going to get hit in the back of the head

When they give up the back of their head to hit. Silva wasn’t intentionally trying to hit him there, he is trying to hammer fist him behind the ear.

Prater was keeping his head close like a wrestler working for a single.

Silva should have hit him somewhere else and if he couldn’t hit him legally then he shouldn’t have hit him illegally. Nobody had any sympathy for Bisping TRYING to knee Rivera right when he was up but not timing it right. It wasn’t Ed Ratcliffe’s fault that Cerrone kept hitting him in the balls, it was Cerrone’s fault for not being able to land legal strikes against a moving and defending opponent. And it’s not like Prater was ‘playing the game’ and baiting for a foul, he was trying to get a single because that was his only chance of winning the fight.

If you think you’re going to hit a guy illegally, find a different way to hit him. The onus is on the guy fouling to not foul the other dude.

That would make sense if the shot to the back of the head is what won Silva the fight

But it wasn’t, it was the Knee to the collar bone that really did prater in, just like Matt Hamill’s dislocated shoulder was the reason for him not being able to continue after the that elbow barrage by Jon Jones.

There is no legit justification for this particular stoppage, or else the UFC wouldn’t treat it like he won.

Guys are going to get hit in the back of the head

Deal with it.

Plus

Your not allowed to target the back of the head, but when a guy is moving his head around, he is going to accidentally get hit there. A punch that is legal when it is thrown can sometimes be illegal by the time it gets to the other fighter because the other fighter is moving around.