The UFC's plans to take the show back to Australia for an event in Melbourne look like they've come to an end. It appears that in the state of Victoria, it's illegal to hold MMA events in a cage rather than a ring.
Via the Sydney Morning Herald:
And while the UFC would like nothing better than to book a date for a Melbourne event, it is unable to while the government refuses to allow MMA bouts to be held in cages.
In the UFC, bouts are held inside the "Octagon" - an eight-side cage. In Victoria, MMA bouts can be sanctioned if held in a boxing ring, but are not allowed to take place in a cage.
Speaking in Melbourne yesterday during a promotional tour for the Sydney event, the UFC's Managing Director of International Development Marshall Zelaznik questioned whether the Victorian Government was more concerned about negative perceptions surrounding "cage fighting" than it was about the safety of the fighters themselves.
"The government has authorised that mixed martial arts can take place [in a ring] - the issue seems to be the Octagon," Mr Zelaznik said.
"The ropes [of a boxing ring] don't protect the fighters enough ... what you always have happen is a fighter will slip through the ropes - hopefully they don't fall - but we have video that we've submitted to the government about how unsafe it is when fighters are actually falling through these ropes and are hurting themselves.
This is clearly all about image as there isn't exactly any data that would suggest a ring is safer than a cage, quite the opposite actually. But there are still plenty of people in the world who look at two men fighting inside of a cage and can't help but think of it as far more barbaric than men in a ring.
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And I thought British politicians were idiots...
YPG - January 19, 2012
Wasn't this the same issue last year or the year before?
Cory Braiterman - January 19, 2012
yes, this gets discussed every year.
Ronnie Liddle - January 19, 2012
Yep, this reminds me of the BS fiasco that happened when the English kids were grappling in a cage.
Such low cage IQ…
Ziggy325 - January 19, 2012
Hopefully they'll look to the Sydney event as an example and change their minds.
NickRingp4pGOAT - January 19, 2012
Bring back Pride
Problem solved!
menckenstein - January 19, 2012
Soccer Kicks for All!
RECE ROCK - January 19, 2012
Stomp I say, stomp stomp; oh ya stomp.
dandeman - January 19, 2012
Stomp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7m97OoX_1k#t=0m7s
menckenstein - January 19, 2012
I wish I knew what really goes through some people's minds...
When they decide they don’t like something, they outlaw it so nobody else is allowed to do it. They say they’re protecting public safety but you know that they’re just protecting their own cowardly sensibilities.
I_Mad - January 19, 2012 via mobile
just make a octagon ring
and rejoice in aussieland
svennebanan - January 19, 2012
And make it as tall as the Octogon by using 7 Ropes.
dandeman - January 19, 2012
how absurd
“We don’t care about men trying to do grievous bodily harm to each other. Oh, no! That’s okay. But in a cage? That’s just barbaric.”
saint242 - January 19, 2012
Seriously
“The imagery of two men fighting in a cage like animals is just too backwards and would reflect poorly on us and our policies [continues to treat Aboriginal Australians like second class citizens]”
menckenstein - January 19, 2012
this is
probably the dumbest comment I have ever read on this site. Are you Australian?
swiftman - January 20, 2012
You've got to remember
that the politicians and bureaucrats who make these rules are often doing so based on extremely limited information. Hopefully the UFC can get in there, do a little education, and get things settled. But without thoughtful informed advocates of MMA engaged in the process, it’s hard to blame the pencil pusher who checks “no” on the box that says cage fighting.
Dave Strummer - January 19, 2012
It's pretty easy to blame them if they do absolutely no research though
Not that I expect much from any elected official anywhere these days.
menckenstein - January 19, 2012
isn't that called
being ignorant?
HitokiriX - January 19, 2012
Sure, I guess
But its hard to expect even good policymakers, who do their research, to be experts on every topic. And if the only voice they hear is one offering the imminently reasonable (at least on its face) position that two men fighting in a cage shouldn’t be sanctioned by the state, I can see how this kind of policy gets made by reasonable people. I’m work on these sorts of issues, and the sad truth is that if you don’t advocate for your position (especially if your position is not immediately understandable) you don’t get the policy outcomes you want.
Dave Strummer - January 19, 2012
Fixed
IKiIIed007 - January 19, 2012
Damon O. - January 19, 2012
WTF! How do you even deal with that from a reffing/judging angle?
Is the fighter given time to recover like from a groin shot? Are they immediately reset? Is it a NC?
Cocytus - January 19, 2012
Damon O. - January 19, 2012
I FUCKEN LOVED THAT GAME
HitokiriX - January 19, 2012
Oh you're one fiyah!
Cocytus - January 19, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlOESywAotY
Machiel Van - January 19, 2012
This was a freak thing though. Falling over the ropes is a danger that’s just inherent to fighting in a ring.
Machiel Van - January 19, 2012
I’m sure the shitty SHINE rings is the footage the UFC sent to the government officials. They are terrible.
memitim - January 19, 2012 via mobile
ring > cage
RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer - January 19, 2012 via mobile
YAMMA Pit >>>>> cage > ring
Pyrgz Krum - January 19, 2012
hell in a cell > ring > cage > samuel L. jackson
RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Pit fighting?
Count me in!
tigerlee - January 19, 2012
Triple cage > Everything
IRodC - January 19, 2012
The ultimate proving ground
Machiel Van - January 19, 2012
Boo.
That sucks.
The Armchair Juggernaut - January 19, 2012 via mobile
Pity
Issue is that it’d most likely only be a FN/Fuel sort of a card, rather than something that’s going to provide that great a draw.
Look at the Sydney-event this year, for instance. The Flyweight tournament opening round was never going to get that many live viewers.
Gugabe - January 19, 2012
ummm Bring MMA to NY then I'll give a shit about this.
RECE ROCK - January 19, 2012
Calm down
There are more states in the USA than in Australia, and most of the states in the USA regulate MMA. Going from Victoria to Sydney is also more of a trek than New York to New Jersey. Melbourne to Sydney as a solid drive with only stops for refueling is about 12 hours straight in my experience.
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
^^ Melbourne to Sydney that should read.
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
And Melbourne’s pretty much a better/equal MMA market with Sydney in terms of local-audiences, if the AFCs are any indication. Just allowing cages would mean great benefits for the AFC and other organizations within Australia.
Gugabe - January 19, 2012
Oh fuk yeh MURICA!
ThatsHowIRoll - January 19, 2012
This is just silly.
Shaun32887 - January 19, 2012
What do you expect from a colony of criminals?
tigerlee - January 19, 2012
Competent bar work
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
Or vice versa...
I can imagine the Australian equivalent of Kalib Starnes bringing a file into the cage to escape.
tigerlee - January 19, 2012
I mean bar work as in serving drinks. Not working on prison bars.
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
Ah double entendre
good work, you had me fooled…or it could be the fantastic bar work I had at 7am.
tigerlee - January 19, 2012
Oh, and I thought you meant really smart lawyers.
Cocytus - January 19, 2012
I thought you maybe meant the opposite of this.
some schmuck in texas - January 19, 2012
It'd probably help if we stopped calling it a cage
Even Marshall Zelaznik in that video for the Australian news only called it a fenced ring.
‘Cage’ just brings up ideas of a restrictive, claustrophobic prison. Fenced rings in MMA have lots of space – the mat is a larger surface area than a typical Boxing ring – and it is otherwise open, with no ceiling.
It could be argued that maybe from a strictly sporting perspective that maybe there should be an out of bounds rule, so that fighting skill is neither helped or hindered by a wall, but from a spectator point of view the breaks in action for restarts wouldn’t go down well.
But yeah, the ring is fenced for the same reason a play pen for young children is. It’s protective.
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
I'll need to get that pretty soon
perfect for an 18 month old to work on cage control and clinch work
tigerlee - January 19, 2012
So can we call them “playpen fights” instead of “cage fights”? That might help, right?
thirdparty - January 19, 2012
MMA fights would help
When’s the last time anyone called Boxing ‘ring fights’ on a regular basis?
KJ Gould - January 19, 2012
Is that Michael Vick's dog pen?
ChillMike - January 19, 2012
Australia: Can't by M rated games or fight in a cage
MaZZacare - January 19, 2012
You can fight in a cage for an M-rated game, though.
The only reason Cage-fighting is banned is in order to help prohibit the age old Australian game of Knifey-Spoony.
Gugabe - January 19, 2012
So whoever gets the spoon is screwed.
dandeman - January 19, 2012
Did it go over your head?
Have you ever played Knifey-Spoony before?
Sugel Mendoza - January 19, 2012
I'd be disqualified right???
dandeman - January 19, 2012
It's NOT a CAGE!
It’s a FENCED AREA!
some schmuck in texas - January 19, 2012
Have them fight in the Octofence!!!
dandeman - January 19, 2012
it really is a kind of brilliant marketing insight that occasionally (like here) backfires.
“Ooh, CAGE! sounds badass!”
“Eek, CAGE! Sounds barbaric!”
some schmuck in texas - January 19, 2012
Bring on UFC Brisbane!!!
ThatsHowIRoll - January 19, 2012
Yay
For purely selfish reasons, I’m kind of glad those Mexican politicians are so dumb. Living in Canberra, I’d much prefer the 3 hour drive to Sydney to see the UFC than the 8 hours to Melbourne.
PeteJ - January 19, 2012
I’m in the same boat, the 3 hour drive to Sydney is way better than the 8 hour drive to Melbourne. Not to mention the thousand speed cameras on the way that clock you for doing 1km/h over.
That said, I would still love to hit Melbourne for a big UFC though. It really is the sporting capital of the world and is a much better city than Sydney.
MMAussie - January 19, 2012
Canberra LOL.
but seriously, Melbourne need to get their shit sorted. It’s a fantastic city to visit and they know how to put on a show.
Benicio - January 19, 2012
HA
I see what you did there……shots fired at Canberra LOL.
Sean Bakhtiar - January 19, 2012
Well Melbourne would be less of a drive for me so bring on Melbourne. It’s a 3 hour Melbourne drive VS a 6 hour Sydney drive
Earltron - January 19, 2012
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