Brock Lesnar Retires: Photo by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.
The Brock Lesnar fans saw at UFC 141 was a greatly diminished athlete according to MMA and pro wrestling business guru Dave Meltzer. Meltzer spoke to MMA Nation's Luke Thomas about Lesnar, his legacy and physical condition coming into his fight with Alistair Overeem:
I think that Brock saw that athletically, he wasn't what he once was and that's all he had going for him. He was a very good athlete who's athletic ability transferred very well to fighting. He was not a great all-around fighter and he was too old to become that. If he was 27 and he goes, "I can shore up these weaknesses," he's 34 and got a lot of mileage. Those four years of pro wrestling took a lot out of his body. There's injuries everywhere and I think that illness devastated him and I think you could see the difference.
I don't think Brock's nearly as quick as he was a couple years ago and that's the difference. I'm sure he can lift the same weights, he's huge but he was never that great all-around fighter. When you lose that speed, there are exceptions but you don't see a lot of freestyle wrestlers in the heavyweight division at 34 competing for Olympic gold. Karelin was done at 32, he was a Greco guy but he was done at 32 so he was even younger than Brock and Kerelin was the biggest physical freak of all physical freaks. Far more than Brock ever was. That's kind of like your prototype. Guys like that, when their bodies break down and they lose that thing, they're done at that level and like most of them, I think that when both of them in their minds thought they were done, they got out.
Fans who are quick to write off Lesnar as a non-talent in MMA are deeply ignorant of the realities of injury, illness and aging on an athlete in his mid-30's. The sad reality is we'll never know what a healthy Lesnar may have accomplished in MMA. I invite all the fans who are calling him 'exposed' 'bully' and 'front-runner' to have a foot of their large intestine removed and then get in the cage with Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem.
Meltzer elaborates on Lesnar's legacy and what might have been:
I think he probably could have been the greatest heavyweight we've ever seen because he did have those athletic gifts and he would have been, at 22, I don't think physically just looking at him he would have been a great striker, but he had such power that I think he could have been a knockout guy and a decent enough striker to set up his wrestling and he'd have been the best wrestler if he'd kept his wrestling up.
You've got to remember, he took eight years off wrestling and then he came back in the sport. You don't see a lot of guys take eight years off wrestling and come back and be what they once were as wrestlers so that Brock Lesnar, yeah, I think he could have been an all-time great. This one coming in at that age, he had a lot going against him but if he didn't have the diverticulitis and he would have been in camp year-round and he would have been learning the submissions because he probably could have been pretty good at the submission game because that comes from wrestling and I think he probably would have done pretty well with that because he is a great student and he's not a stranger to training hard. Striking, he probably never would have been great at, but I think he would have been a lot better.
What was gonna hurt him was when the speed was gone because the speed made him more than the power. Power's great, it is, but this is a speed sport. You look at all of these guys, when they lose a bit of that speed, that's when they fall from the top. It's not when they lose the power. At some point, a guy of his size, 35-36, it still would be tough I would think. I think the diverticulitis, it had to take a lot out of him.
Read the complete transcript of part 1 of Luke's interview with Meltzer at MMA Nation.
1 recs | 113 comments
that’s what he is though
it may have been inevitable but he he had a big break and turned shit upside down and then fizzled
whether or not people feel its a personal issue with him is irrelevant
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Yep. That Meltzer feels like coupling the term 'flash-in-the-pan' with a negative intention is beyond me.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Meltzer didn’t say flash in the pan. Kid Nate did
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
I think that's Nate's writing, not Patty Meltzer (TEEHEE).
But yeah, he came, he saw, he conquered, he got conquered.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
WAT?
Reads back
Uh…
shakes head.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Did my intellegence fool you?
I’m pretty witty, like Ken Shamrock.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
You keep quiet...
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
guys, please!
let’s unite here and just blame Kid Nate.
now, doesn’t that feel better?
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
good feedback/nit picking
I tweaked it.
What I’m trying to get across is that you can’t evaluate Lesnar as an athlete or a fighter based on his post-illness performances.
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
makes less sense to evaluate him based on potential when his career is over
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
No better time for the a retrospective with a little speculation on a career than when someone retires
What-if is warranted in these types of situations. Some of the best stuff I ever read came after Bo Jackson got his hips pulled off.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
but you can’t call that his LEGACY. Legacy is based on what happened not what could have been. There’s no problem in discussing his potential. But his legacy is what it is
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
Meltzer discusses his legacy at great length
in the full interview.
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
Legacy is what one person gives or gifts to another. Brocks fights will not be his legacy but his presence in this sport and how he helped it grow will be.
F'n Clownshoes - January 2, 2012
I’m saying even if he had great potential his legacy will then be NOT being able to reach it. As far as his impact on the sport yeah that’ll be part of his legacy but it’ll be based on what he did not could have done
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
i agree that what ifs are not a great criteria for legacies.
F'n Clownshoes - January 2, 2012
Bo Jackson
Bo Jackson + Tecmo Bowl= GOD!
Mr. Socko - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Bo Jackson + ProStars = SELLOUT / UNINTENTIONAL HILARITY
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
In some sense, you have to
He had such a limited body of work to begin with. Perhaps the illness slowed him down and weakened him, maybe it was age (although Carwin was older when he punched himself out against a cowering Lesnar), we don’t know.
Here’s what we do know: when an equally large opponent got in his face (Carwin and Overeem), he shrank. When faced with adversity (failing to keep Cain down), he failed to rise to the challenge. His wins are against physically overmatched opponents. He quit the NFL when it was clear he couldn’t physically dominate guys like he had been for his entire life. Tell me, is this the heart of a champion?
Maybe he could have been the greatest HW ever, based solely on his physical gifts. But as fans of this sport, most of us know there has to be more.
Pantherhare - January 2, 2012
I wish I could rec this but I'm on the app
Papercut Elbow - January 2, 2012 via iPhone app
Thank you
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Going to nitpick....
He didn’t join the NFL because the Viking wanted him to play a year or two in the European Football League, the Vienna Vikings if I remember correctly, before moving him up to the regular squad. He didn’t want to leave the USA, so he declined.
To put this is perspective, he had not played football since the middle of high school.
Tremendous athlete.
prophet665 - January 3, 2012
Fans who are quick to write off Lesnar as a ‘flash-in-the-pan’ in MMA are deeply ignorant of the realities of injury, illness and aging on an athlete in his mid-30’s
Isn’t that the definition of flash in the pan? He came and was then gone…..how are they ignorant to the realities of injury, illness and aging? Why does any of that matter? Whatever the reason he had a very short 8 fight career in which he came in got a championship then got smashed into retirement. You don’t measure a career based on what could have been you base it on what happened
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
This!!!!
I mean by definition, he’s exactly that, a flash in the pan, nothing else. Whatever the reason behind his short career, it was still short and sandwiched in there is a title run. I mean let’s face it, if Brock would’ve been forced to wait in line behind Big Nog and Mir for a title shot, he very well may have never held the UFC HW title, making him essentially Bobby Lashleys version 1.0, nothing else, not even a flash in the pan. Crazy when you think about it, he owes an eternal debt to ZUFFA.
Cestus84 - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Lesnar's biggest problem was that he didn't enjoy fighting. He enjoyed beating people up.
It caused problems in the WWE, it caused problems in the NFL, and when Lesnar realized that people could hit him back just as hard, it caused problems in the UFC.
M.Sphinx - January 2, 2012
Lesnar does come across as a bully in MMA
I mean, Bullies usually think they’re tough and like to beat people up, but they usually fold when someone pushes back.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
I'm not sure it is safe to say that.
He lived the lifestyle of an MMA fighter, and even when things got as extreme as they could posisbly get he still hung in there.
Winning and owning anyne and everyone? Check.
Getting his stomach destroyed by Diverticulitis? Check.
Returning and getting consistently destroyed but still managing to hold on to the title? Check.
Getting consistently destroyed and losing the title? Check.
Getting Diverticulitis again? Check.
Getting Uberkneed? Double Check.
Brock didn’t wilt to the pressure of the MMA lifestyle. He wilted to knowing he can’t compete anyomre to teh level that he used to b/c of reasons that were out of his control, and there is no shame in that.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Even without his disease, he wasn’t going to be Heavyweight champion for long.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
Nobody is.
Earl Montclair - January 2, 2012
This.
He, technically, defended his belt twice. People like Rashad, Shogun, or Lyoto at lhw couldn’t defend it more than once.
It is pretty low to criticize his will to fight especially considering how he kept on fighting long past the time it seemed sensible but to the more hardcore of fanboys.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
LHW is a vastly deeper division than HW.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
FEDOR
Horselover Fat - January 2, 2012
FEDOR!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
FEDOR?
Huggy Bear - January 3, 2012
FEDOR.mpeg
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
Hodor.
prophet665 - January 3, 2012
Brock Lesnar is interesting because he is better than the older incarnation of the UFC Heavyweight division but not better than the newer incarnation when regarding top heavyweights.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
He is the missing link....
Dr.Mundo - January 2, 2012
Fedor
Papercut Elbow - January 2, 2012 via iPhone app
I don't think its fair
To completely credit Brock’s losses and wilting to the illness. I don’t think the illness had anything to do with him crumbling when he got hit in the face. It didnt have anything to do with him quitting WWE, it didnt have anything to do with him quitting football.
He just quits everything when things get rough, even fights. He’s been babied and treated like a god, and paid like one too, everywhere he’s gone. And then quit on them. I don’t understand how so many people can keep loving this guy. I used to, but the man has no heart.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
This
warren305 - January 2, 2012
The title made me think
that he had Diverticulitis again when he fought.
av1o3 - January 2, 2012
Me too
dedstrk316 - January 2, 2012
He will have diverticulitis forever
His surgery was to manage symptoms and improve quality of life.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
eh? if you remove the inflamed/infected section then you no longer have diverticulitis. What the hell are you talkin about?
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
He's got diverticulosis.
He’s always going to be susceptible to reoccurances of diverticulitis because of it.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
1st diverticulosis isn’t the same as diverticulitis which is what you said previously.
2ndly unless you’ve gone in and seen his remaining colon how would you know if he still has diverticula or not. They removed a foot of his colon which makes it likely they removed most of the outpouchings
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
1st it’s like mixing up HIV and AIDS, one leads to the other and they’re incorrectly used in place of the other pretty often, oh well.
2nd Considering he’s got diverticular disease he will always be at risk for developing more diverticulitus. It’s more common with “seniors” and he’s got it not even into his 40’s.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
I’m just saying that medically speaking saying “he will always have diverticulitis” was wrong. Period.
Is he at higher risk of diverticular disease? obviously. We know he’s already had it but that has nothing to do with what you said earlier about them only managing the symptoms of the disease and not treating it. That was another completely inaccurate statement.
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
I already addressed that I mixed the pocketing and the infection/inflammation up, stop harping on it.
Yes he’s at a high risk of developing diverticulitis, not diverticulosis, he has diverticulosis. Brock’s guts are diverticulosis land and beef jerky is the mayor.
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
That doesn't mean he was suffering from any symptoms during the fight
warren305 - January 2, 2012
1st I know nothing about this stuff
2nd I like how you guys number your points
dedstrk316 - January 2, 2012
age=lost speed?
gulp.
gspmademegay - January 2, 2012
He should gulp.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
yeah Anderson's over due to fall off a cliff athletically speaking
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
All I want him is to reach 10 straight title defenses.
He’d already be there had Travis Lutter not fucked things up.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Don't hate on ground jordan bro!
menckenstein - January 2, 2012
Tool ate.
I will hate him forever, and especially so if Anderson loses his next fight.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
*Too late*
Oh, my…
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
man I thought you wrote tool ate on purpose and was laughing my ass off. way to ruin it
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
My bad, man.
Here’s a kitten for ya, bro. Don’t be mad:
Double the heads, double the cute!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
that thing
looks delicious!
gspmademegay - January 2, 2012
That thing looks
tool ate.
Huggy Bear - January 3, 2012
this pic reminds me of a dream of Sly, Norris & ten other seniors trying to pick up my wife
liptondrift - January 2, 2012
Did you offer them a drink after she danced with them? Did they refuse to take pictures?
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
He did amazing things for the UFC and reinvigorated an incredibly weak heavyweight division. However, At the end of the day he is a fighter with a 5-3 record. An incredibly bright flash and a tiny pan.
memitim - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Good strength of schedule though. Randy also ended up losing a lot with a tough strength of schedule. Only difference is, he did it for a longer period of time.
castleeb - January 2, 2012
So many parallels with the Fedor discussions of only a few years ago
The “what ifs” of Fedor being in the UFC. Now no one cares and he has been written off (at least in the near term). MMA fight legacies have a lag-time because it’s a new sport. It’s easy enough to “place” someone like Royce Gracie in the context of MMA history, but everyone else can be debated (or so it seems).
It might take a few years, but I predict that Lesnar’s place in MMA history will be secured. He will be viewed as emblematic of the sport’s shift from fadish diversion to legitimate contender in the public marketplace of cultural activities.
Yes, maybe he would have been a GOAT from a fighting perspective HAD he started earlier, but then you could make that case about nearly anyone who was born at the wrong time. Maybe Lou Thesz would have been a great MMA fighter… how about Bruce Lee? How about Antonio Inoki? The difference, of course, is that Lesnar DID compete in MMA. He took care of a late-career “what if” and made the most of it. Perhaps he could have made a different choice in the early 2002s, left pro wrestling and gone to PRIDE or the then-troubled UFC. But he would have taken a considerable pay cut. It was a choice.
jackbox - January 2, 2012
Even if he started his MMA career earlier, what makes you think that he would suddenly become a good striker or learn how to take a punch? He would probably be better, but still flawed.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
I kinda agree with you.
Brock’s legacy will not rest so much in his athletic achievments but in how his short lived presence affected the cultural and economic landscape of the sport.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
misleading title was misleading.
I’m not really much for speculation on what might have been, especially given the number of significant flaws in Brock’s game that have obviously shown up in the last 3 batterings.
Superstitiousmma - January 2, 2012
For those interested in accuracy read title as: Brock Lesnar devastaded by AO not illness at UFC 141.
Aside form the misleading title this article suggests that Lesnar’s career would have been materialy different if he didn’t have the diverticulitis. Doesn’t Meltzeer say that it’s the lack of speed that was his demise? The only thing that prevented him from acheiving more was his late entry to the sport. Does anyone think he would have beat Cain if he was in less pain during training. Or how about if he didn’t have to pull out fo the JDS fight, would he have beaten Junior if he had a disease free training camp? Of course not. The only thing that could made a difference is years of training kickboxing.
He made the most that he could have with the opporitunity that he had. Good for him.
Hardy's in your face - January 2, 2012
He spent a hell of a lot of time of his peak years completely unable to fight.
He could’ve been better even inside the limited time frame he had available to him had he been allowed to train consistently.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I didn't realize Lesnar was fighting with Black House now
Dave Strummer - January 2, 2012
Only one nit-pick
“I invite all the fans who are calling him ‘exposed’ ‘bully’ and ‘front-runner’ to have a foot of their large intestine removed and then get in the cage with Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem.”
What would that prove, exactly? If we are not capable of handling Cain and Reem after surgery, that we are not allowed to criticize? That sounds like the stuff Sean Salisbury used to say to John Clayton: “What do you know? You never played in the NFL!”
Farthammer - January 2, 2012
Yeah.
That would have worked perfectly without addind the “get in the cage with Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem.” But I get what he was getting at.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Also
I thought Brock removed part of his intestine after the Cain fight.
av1o3 - January 2, 2012
He did it the first time himself for fun, and didn't tell anyone
That’s how bad ass he is
Cunny - January 2, 2012
I just want to see some respect for the fighters
and the impact of disease and injury on their ability to compete. My statement is obviously heavy on the hyperbole.
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
It does seem like folk willfuly ignore that kind of stuff in order to render a more absolute oppinion.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
For me the fall of Lesnar is a reafirmation for mma
the twice in a row absolute defeat of the physical and explosive monster(and all the hype behind him) is the best thing that can happen to mma as a discipline…watch the monster fold on to smaller and more technical fighters was what i was hoping and expecting
when Lesnar came we had to watch a 4 fights newcomer to beat the hell out of champion, we saw a big dude that doesn’t even love fighting beating top 10s… that was humilliating…but the division learned from it, heart and technique overcame Lesnar
it was just a phase, he was bound to fall
Parcero Malo - January 2, 2012
Yep, I recall back then BE questioned that the arrival of Lesnar may have signalled the coming of the freak heavyweights that would just overpower the smaller heavyweights. There was also talk of whether it called for a super heavyweight class to keep things competitive.
It’s been a couple of years since and I think it’s safe to say that the HW division is in no threat of having hulks just beasting everyone in the division based on size alone. Like you said, heart and technique have prevailed.
Jabroni - January 2, 2012
In retrospect, much of that was foolishness. Cro Cop, Fedor, and Nogueira could have all at one point in their careers made light heavyweight, and are probably the three greatest heavyweights ever. JDS and Velasquez are pretty light in comparison, and are probably better than everyone else in the division.
discoandherpes - January 3, 2012
The man retired after a single loss in 13 years of competition and losing a point for the first time in 6. He was not done.
Comparing Brock, whose propensity to quitting is well known, to Karelin is a stretch at best.
ludakrish - January 2, 2012
he was done
as in he retired. That’s a statement of fact that’s not open to arguing.
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
I misread that as implying he retired due to being unable to compete at as high a level.
ludakrish - January 2, 2012
Karelin
I think you read it that way because that’s clearly what Meltzer was implying. Under Kid Nate’s interpretation, it’s just irrelevant, extraneous info.
And Karelin wasn’t physically “done” at 32. He still finished second in the world in the most prestigious wrestling competition, under somewhat questionable circumstances (he had to wrestle 3 matches that day, compared to only 2 for Gardner). He likely could have continued, at worst, as a top-5 heavyweight for at least another 3 to 4 years.
thuggis - January 2, 2012
Meltzer's point was that guys like Brock or Karelin
that are used to being #1 are not interested in competing once its clear they’ll be fighting for the #5 or #10 slot.
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
It may be what Meltzer implied but that’s not what he said. Not a very well constructed sentence if what you say is the case.
ludakrish - January 3, 2012
I guess it was the diverticulosis that made him averse to taking any sort of punches?
But wait, wasn’t there all sorts of talk coming out that he refused to spar, or take any leg kicks in training like when he was at Militech when he first started training for MMA? Certainly that was before his first bout with diverticulitis?
Jabroni - January 2, 2012
Truth
He was either physically unprepared to take punishment (probably a lack of sparring) or mentally weak. Even if he was healthy, it wouldn’t fix his obvious flaws as a fighter.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
We Will Never Know But
the Lesner that ran to the title
then whipped Mir and Carwin
Could have been Big Time if he hadn’t got sick.
but we will never know now.
So I am watching the futre, see what Overeem-JDS turns into
see what Cain looks like coming back
see what Mir does next
see what happens in Nelson-Werdum
see how Jones looks when he moves ot Heavy
In the end Lesner did what most thought was impossible,
transitioned from pro-rasslin to MMA and won the biggest belt of all
faced foes no rookie shoud have been in with
and went out on his shield
All the know-it -alls finger-pointers and name-callers
can only wish they could come close to that
kah - January 2, 2012
These are lyrics, right?
I can’t seem to find the melody though…
Jabroni - January 2, 2012
someone should tell dave meltzer that every mma fighter that loses a fight not only totally sucks, but was never very good to begin with.
this also applies to champions that fail to finish fights, or who win against people, and then have those same people lose more convincingly to another fighter.
Clifford J - January 2, 2012
Facts are all we have to go on
Debates over speculation on what could of been can go on forever but in the end all anyone can do is analyze the facts of the situation. A 31 year old man with zero MMA experience stepped onto the highest stage of mixed martial arts, won the title, and defended it twice. Many of the greatest mixed martial arts title holders we know such Quinton Jackson, Shogun Rua, and Rashad Evans were unable to defend their titles as much as Brock Lesnar did. I would venture to say that even if the UFC offered a $100 million dollar prize to any man walking the earth today to step into the octagon and beat any one of the UFC champions with 1 year of training that no one could do it. Even if by chance some freak from the NFL was able to train for a year and beat the UFC champion of his weight, would he be able to then defend the title twice after winning it? I don’t think any man on the planet could do it, but Brock Lesnar did. The bottom line is that it’s unfortunate we weren’t able to see what he could have been given more time and good health but what he did do was nothing short of amazing. He did something that no other man on the planet could do, I’d say he deserves the utmost respect.
CRWHITLOCK - January 2, 2012
good point
Kid Nate - January 2, 2012
Lesnar was never a great striker even when he beat Couture and Mir unless you call hammer fists a skill.
evenflow10 - January 2, 2012 via mobile
One thing I'll always thank Brock for
I recently went on a number of web sites like WebMD and NIH and such, looked up diverticulitis and diverticulosis, and found out how my shitty diet is probably putting me at risk. It may well be that Brock’s "legacy’ will be – or could be – as a spokesman for increased awareness of how our diets can affect our health.
If a guy who epitomizes strength, durability, and the peak of human physical potential can be laid low by something that’s possibly preventable, he also could be the object lesson for changing how some of us go about something so basic as feeding ourselves.
Brock’s not an old guy, so none of us should say, “Well, whatever, I’ll worry about my diet when I’m as old as my parents.” The “experts” don’t know what causes the intestinal problems that Brock endured, but they do suspect that diet can help remediate them.
So, who cares what the guy’s legacy in fighting is. He has an opportunity to reach a lot of people – like me, for instance – and wake them up. If he cares enough about it, maybe that’s what his legacy can someday be.
( . Y . ) - January 2, 2012
It's a nasty disease.
It can be fatal. I lost family to it.
Steve W - January 2, 2012 via mobile
“I invite all the fans who are calling him ‘exposed’ ‘bully’ and ‘front-runner’ to have a foot of their large intestine removed and then get in the cage with Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem.”
Yes, because fans with perfectly fine intestines would totally beat Cain/Overeem.
dynamitelungs - January 2, 2012
I’m also interested to know why having a foot of colon removed (I’m talkin about months after the surgery is healed up) is bad for training or fighting? Aside from having more watery stool and having to go to the bathroom more often…why is being 1 foot short of colon such a big deal? Kid Nate?
Robust23 - January 2, 2012
Surgeries
I am going to be 100% honest about this. I have had nearly my entire large intestines (my entire colon except for 2 inches) removed. I had it done at a young age and I don’t remember my activity level beforehand. That aside, it’s been nearly 12 years since I’ve had it done.
I have played soccer and trained through BJJ in that time and I can honestly say that even eating healthy and staying fit I don’t have but so much stamina. If anything hits me in my stomach, regardless of how prepared I am, I lose nearly all of my energy right away and half of my stomach feels numb. I’ve collapsed from a soccer ball hitting me in the stomach, and I’ve lost tournaments because someone broke out of my guard by digging their head into my stomach and I couldn’t focus past the feeling.
If Brock had the same surgeries I did (he likely skipped a few steps in the surgeries, and I didn’t bother to look if he has a surgical scar and where it is), then any shots to his surgical site feel VERY uncomfortable. It’s something that can be ignored, but it’s like hitting your elbow. Suddenly everything is numb and you don’t feel nearly 100% anymore for a few minutes.
kneilson - January 2, 2012
you’re a warrior dude.
Hardy's in your face - January 3, 2012
Good article
IMO, this sounds like you have actual doctor/scientific evidence/expert advice from a sports physician. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like you do.
aTn - January 2, 2012
Invitation not needed
That’s just silly. That’s like saying the only people allowed to blog about a subject need to have a PhD or Masters degree on said subject. You as a blogger/pseudo-journalist should realize how crazy that assumption is.
Jabroni - January 2, 2012
Please do not post a headline reading “Brock Lesnar: Devastated By Illness” when there is no facts to support that contention.
Your article is just guesses from another writer.
uwcb - January 2, 2012
I don’t get the Lesnar hate wagon jumping from most. This article made some good points. No way is a guy his age after an illness and surgery like that going to be the same. Right as well on the comments about his biggest advantage to his game being his speed/athleticism (explosiveness for Rogan) and that seemed gone. Honestly though, to me it seemed like his passion was much less than it once was, from the first illness on. And against ‘Reem it seemed like he just didn’t care. But if that ability to explode and take someone down was gone (I nearly typed “explode on a guy” lol) then Brock didn’t have much more… for all his NCAA experience he wasn’t the technical wrestler than many at his level were.
JeremyShane - January 2, 2012
Post above talking about the surgeries Brock had. It makes all stomach contact half unbearable.
kneilson - January 2, 2012
prime Kerr smashes prime Lesnar.. brutally.
chillnnsht - January 2, 2012
Lesnar was Mike Tyson of MMA
Truth be told, Lesnar like Mike Tyson(who used his whole being to intimidate) in boxing used his freakish size to overwhelm(a past prime Couture) n intimidate(Mir)his opponents. When Tyson ran in2 Buster Douglas(circa1990) who wasn’t afraid he was soundly beAt.Tyson’s handlers avoided Evander Holyfield for the longest time as well. When finally facing Holyfield he was thrashed. Cain was Brocks Mma version of Holyfield.
Hankverdee - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Mike Tyson of MMA?
Please don’t compare the legend that is Mike Tyson to freaking Brock Lesnar. That analogy is flawed, at best.
Pahlavi - January 3, 2012
Where's a downvote button..
when you need one.
chillnnsht - January 3, 2012
we don't live in a land of what ifs
This is the real world and if he was billed as being the greatest thing after beating Randy (who was in his 40s) then he can be beat by CV and Reem who are simply better. Don’t make excuses for him, he said he was healthy and lost leave it at that.
Roman727 - January 3, 2012 via iPhone app
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