Former UFC light heavyweight Houston Alexander was recently ticketed for forcing his 16-year-old son to box with him. He was apparently upset about his son's actions on Facebook. KMTV Omaha has the story:
Police reports say officers were called to a home near 44th and Maple for a domestic disturbance. The older Alexander told them he was having trouble with his teen son, who was "having explicit sexual contact on Facebook with some unknown females." The 16-year-old reportedly lied and "made him very upset."
According to police reports, "Alexander then retrieved boxing gloves and told his son, 'If you are going to lie to me, then we are going to box.'" The two reportedly boxed in the basement. Officers describe the teen as having a "slight bloody nose and pain to his right side."
Alexander was cited for misdemeanor child abuse.
I didn't know you could just get a ticket for what is deemed child abuse, but that seems to be the case in Nebraska. The 39-year-old Alexander most recently fought in October, where he was knocked out by Steve Bosse in Montreal.
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Good for Houston as a single dad, this is just good parenting
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
No it's not good parenting
He’s a trained mma fighter that has shown to have serious power in his hands and yes I’m sure he didnt go “all out” on his son but boxing is still a form of hitting and yeah when you get pissed off about something you still dont need to hit anybody especially your child.
bigdmmafan - January 2, 2012
they boxed, it wasnt like Houston was wailing on him
“slight bloody nose and pain to his right side” is not child abuse.
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
Grown man who fights for a living hitting his 16 year old son is child abuse
The fact that he drew blood makes it even more so. Alexander should be charged & jailed.
YPG - January 2, 2012
precisely.
you might agree with the intent in some caveman sort of way, but that was wrong. and what’s with the cockblocking? unknown females on Facebook?
goddamn, son.
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
drew blood? Brock Lesnar drew blood on Overeem with a jab
not all cuts are equivalent
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
Nor are all jabs equivalent.
Seriously. Do you want to be jabbed by that monster?
TorQus - January 2, 2012
You guys are straight up trippin man..
A single dad checkin’ his son to prevent a possible situation that could lead to teen pregnacy. The thick of it seems to be that his son lied about the whole deal to his face. It’s called parenting man. It works, if only for so long, but some little knuckleheads need that sort of discipline. Kudos to Houston for being a dad who cares enough to know what his son posts on facebook. Other spare-the-rod parents wouldn’t know if their kids are making pipe bombs in the garage or playing Call Of Duty all day. And I hate the Po Po’s..
DayuumHeGotDropped - January 2, 2012
INORITE?
Call of Duty is gay. Battlefield be where it at!
TorQus - January 3, 2012
Battlefield is pretty fun. I’m not a FPS guy, but the vehicle combat and the physics are so fun.
discoandherpes - January 3, 2012
yea way more enjoyable that then call of duty. i bought black ops only cause i LOVVVVEE the 70’s and crazy theories with herion weed shrooms and russians involved…..sounds like fear and loathing is calling me again
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
wow spelled heroin wrong that shows you i smoke too much……pot what? i chill with the diaz brothers not melvin. just cause im black doesnt mean i like gold domes……im a atlanta falcons fan as well my wordplay right now is off the f’ing charts
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
The only reason your making it ok is that your assuming when Houston told his son we’re gonna box that his son was like “yeah ok I’ll fuck you up old man”.
What happens if the son didnt want to box and Houston made him put on some gloves and boxed him anyway?
bigdmmafan - January 2, 2012
I’m guessing the kid listens and doesn’t lie to his father the next time… if he doesn’t want to box.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
That would be the plan
HaterSlayer - January 2, 2012
THIS^^^^ SO RIGHT!
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
I'm with you on this
But this is Bloody Elbow. Do you not remember the river of tears when Tomas Rios was chastised by Rogan?
sitnam90 - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Are you fucking kidding me?!
Forcing your kid to fight you is not child abuse?! Sheeeeesh!
Magaca - January 2, 2012
Could be worse, Chris Horodecki's manager probably thought fighting Anthony Njokuani was a great idea.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
your on fire tonight SS!
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
The fact that he got the gloves first makes me feel that this wasn’t HA snapping and letting his emotions go out over his kid, this was a dad teaching his son a lesson and I bet the kid will thank him when gets older
Disco1Stu - January 2, 2012
Difference between Houston Alexander and Spidy?
Houston Alexander is for real!
cager - January 2, 2012
You tried
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
I’m not condoning beating your kid but I honestly feel like some teenagers need this, its the only thing some understand.
attgnp - January 2, 2012
no
just… just no.
we don’t know any other details about this incident or whether or not this kid ‘needs this’. not happening.
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
This is parenting
warren305 - January 2, 2012
THIS! IS! SPARTA!
Cunny - January 2, 2012
THIS IS MADNESS!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Maybe this kid didnt need this, but I’m saying some in very rare cases do. I’m also not saying to fuck them up or do any real damage, but more or less scare them.
attgnp - January 2, 2012
Not saying this is relevant to this instance but
Some people in life just need to be punched in the face. That’s a fact.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
True.
my 19 year old nephew is/was a sonovabitch. In one instance he sucker punched my very well meaning bro in law in the face with a set of brass knuckles and took off running. My nephew was one of those kids that needed to be punched in the fucking head imo. He’s maturing a bit better now, but still has anger issues.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
you know nothing about parenting my good sir
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
Look...
I would have rather boxed with my old man than take the damn belt like I did. Also, some of you younger guys might know about this, but when I was in school, all the way through my senior year, I received corporal punishment from my principal, as well as my teachers. (When my sexy History teacher thought she’d teach me a lesson, well, she did…I liked getting spanked by sexy teachers.) My Father was six foot four and about 280. I was six two and about 160. I still would have rather gotten the gloves off and had a chance rather than have to take a damn belt, or a fist without the oppurtunity to fight back. Now I realize my old man isn’t an MMA fighter, but one thing he was was quick, strong, and a southpaw. Odds are I would’ve gotten stomped like a narc at a biker rally, but at least I would have been treated as somewhat of a man, instead of a little child taking a belt. I’m sorry, I don’t consider the belt I received abuse either. I asked for it every damn time I got it, which wasn’t too often. It was the last resort. I am a better man for it, and the pain of that belt deterred me on MANY occasions. I don’t take the belt to my son, mostly because I don’t need to. BUT, I think that he would rather put on the gloves than take a belt. There IS a difference between abuse and discipline. But since this guy is trained, maybe he should have found him a sparring partner that would slap him around a little bit. It is so weird to read this article. Confusing to my parental instincts. Have A Nice Day!
Mr. Socko - January 3, 2012
Glove ON! DAMN IT! CURSE YOU RED WINE!
Mr. Socko - January 3, 2012
I wouldn't mind getting spanked by a sexy teacher either
But my dad was a fighter, so I don’t think I would lace them up. Even today, and he’s not even forty yet.
discoandherpes - January 3, 2012
child abuse
of course you cant get cited for the abuse of letting your son be a keyboard warrior who will some day grow up and be on BE.. this sounds ludicrous .. his son wanted to test the waters and got reeled in with some love taps … and best of all alexander earns a much needed W
spidathon - January 2, 2012
That's one of the weirdest stories I've ever seen
And furthermore the son should know his dad by now and just take it to the ground.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
I hate you for making me laugh out loud.
Bravo.
M.Sphinx - January 2, 2012
i love you for making me laugh out loud.
bravo!
gspmademegay - January 2, 2012
I'LL TALK TO ALL THE REALITY KINGS BITCHES I WANT, DAD!
pdl - January 2, 2012
rofl
IanParedes - January 2, 2012
instarec
for kimboplex
J. B. Maddox - January 2, 2012
this
kimboplex was epic, fuck the haters.
Rob Young - January 2, 2012
can't fade the kimboplex
Horselover Fat - January 2, 2012
how could anyone? that’s the true highlight of his MMA career.
kimboplex was the shit!
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
that was so beautiful :')
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
Mobile Rec!!
I thoroughly enjoyed this one!
JAYGK95 - January 2, 2012 via mobile
I said this yesterday on Mania
Yes I go back and forth.
The kid should have just double legged him and watch him try to get up.
dedstrk316 - January 2, 2012
thats awesome.
TrojanCBB - January 2, 2012
end of thread. but first, double rec.
phantom5691 - January 2, 2012
LOL’d hard at this.
FreeFocus - January 2, 2012
Wonder who has better cardio, Houston or his 16 year old son
Art_Wanderlei - January 2, 2012
I'd like to see him in the UFC again
Give him Jon Jones. Make sure Yves Lavigne is the ref.
YPG - January 2, 2012
Dude....Houston Alexander has serious KO power
Jones got staggered by Machida, no one has really tested Jones’ chin too much so if I were to pick a fighter to do it…I’d pick Houston Alexander.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
KO power ain't shit if he's too busy getting brutalized by McBones
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
Nah man Jones doesn't have Houston's striking power
Houston Alexander is for real.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
I mean that Jones won't allow him to use it.
He’s just too good, man. Besides, d
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
dammit the post input area's being a birch with me
Doesn’t Alexander have a weak chin, anyway?
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
He's not being for real with you man
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
Doesn't need to
He actually has some MMA skills.
duck - January 2, 2012
That dude is violent
mburtoni - January 2, 2012 via mobile
God
I love how the exclaimed quotes of either Rogan or Goldberg randomly sprinkled around make me lol!
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
i dont get the untested chin meme
Bader drilled him and he walked through it.
Machida stunned him and he showed good defensive manuvers
maybe im just missing the SSarcasm, yep thats it :p
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
People just like to hate on Jon Jones. Sure, I don’t care for his personality, but the guy is easily the best the light heavyweight division has to offer.
mahalie - January 3, 2012
Jardine is the man to dethrone Jones imo
Jones has no answer to Jardine’s funky standup
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Jardine certainly hurt Vera far worse than Jones did.
M.Sphinx - January 2, 2012
showing serious It's Showtime level head movement is Vera there, Joe
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
this sums up keith jardines career perfectly lol every time i see this i just laugh my ass off
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
He's so unorthodox, Joe! It's hard to emulate him in training!
Also, Keith Jardine has an underrated ground game that can stifle Jones’ ground attack.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
To be fair, I wouldn't expect him to say
An embarrassment, Joe, is it to get beaten by this tool.
paythefighters - January 3, 2012
Houston Alexander doesn’t have the heaviest hands in the division and there’s no way he’d ever even touch Jon Jones. You’d be better off picking Dan Henderson.
mahalie - January 3, 2012
Er....define "staggered"
Gideon Jay - January 3, 2012
dude was pretty desperate for a W
sorakray - January 2, 2012
I get it but it's still stupid.
That’s like a parent saying ok you’re going to get a paddlin’ but we both get one and it’ll be a fair contest.
It does give the kid a fair chance to get their licks in back but it’s still one sided. Basically he wanted his son to think his ass whipping was competitive.
Sexytime - January 2, 2012
i bet you its likely the son got cocky and thought he could take on the old man on. Houston is just teaching him a lesson
kids a teen, it happens
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
Yep I agree.....
Then again, I hate that you can’t even hit your kids anymore. If I never took an ass whippin from my dad I probably would’ve been a way worse kid. Also, looking back, my “ass whoopins” weren’t all that bad. This is totally overblown….
Brandon Starr - January 2, 2012
I disagree.
It’s fucking abuse. That he did it b/c he was talking dirty over the internet only compounds to the stupid-ass nature of it.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Him talking dirty over the internet is a pretty damn good reason
The kid is 16 years old. If he goes around knocking some chick up then that could screw up the rest of his life. Stuff like that, and lying about it, is a HUGE deal.
HaterSlayer - January 2, 2012
So true
Internet pregnancies are going through the roof. Bieber has knocked up about 150 women this week on Twitter alone.
( . Y . ) - January 2, 2012
There are better ways than fisticuffs to deal with a teenager attempting to have sex
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
Yeah but it his kid, his teenage son
This isn’t an 8 yrd old. He sounds like a good parent to me. Kids need corporal punishment. The lack of it, is the reason so many kids are the way they are today.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Bullshit
Plenty of kids grow up without being beaten and are just fine. Plenty of kids get beaten and are emotionally scarred. Kids need a role model. Houston Alexander taking out the boxing gloves pretty much teaches his kid that fighting people is a way to solve your conflicts. He sounds like an awful parent to me.
Magaca - January 2, 2012
Boxing gloves?
I assume the kid had them on too. This sounds like a lesson, more than a beating. Houston Alexander is a fighter. If he “beat” his kid, he’d have more than a bloody nose. And like I said, this kid is 16 yrs old. Not a baby. That is his child, and he should be able to discipline him as he sees fit and a bloody nose doesn’t change that.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Hitting your children, or anyone else for that matter, should be illegal.
I know it is where i live, and i firmly believe we are better off for it. In my social circle/family, noone got beaten and we all grew up fine. Corporal punishment is a lack of ideas/effort from lazy and shitty parents.
Magaca - January 2, 2012
corporal punishment has been proven by studies to be effective
let Houston parent his kids and you can parent yours
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
I never claimed that it wasn't effective.
There’s a big difference between “effective” and “right”. I’m sure if Houston Alexander waterboarded his son the kid would listen.
Magaca - January 2, 2012
Corporal punishment has proven to be effective short term, but long-term, it has many damaging effects on children.
And that’s just for spankings. We’re talking about beating your kid hard enough that he bleeds and feels pain for an extended period of time.
Magaca - January 2, 2012
my dad hit me frequently enough and even beat me once badly
I turned out fine and am on amazing terms with him. Your oversensative so please stop with the righteous bullshit.
benten20 - January 2, 2012 via mobile
So because YOU endured corporal punishment and didn’t get traumatized, we should just ignore all of the research that has been done by professionals? Great idea.
First of all, its “oversensitive” and “you’re”.
In case you hadn’t noticed, this is the comments section, where we comment on the articles written. If you have a problem with my posts, you can flag them or choose not to respond to them.
Magaca - January 2, 2012
first off why do you care so much about my spelling and grammar?
i dont come here to write in APA format where a i lose apoint for grammar mistakes. second considering he didnt beat the shit out of him but rather bloodied his nose. my dad beat me with a wire hanger. i was 12. single dad raising 6 kids finds his son lying to him when hes not the most monetarily compensated fighter. my point is he didnt knock his kid out but taught him a lesson.
benten20 - January 2, 2012
This
people are too soft.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
F'real
Magaca is definitely the only person who feels that corporal punishment can be bad for children and society
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
There you go!
Magaca - January 2, 2012
Corporal puniishment
Gave us George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Martin Luther King, et cetera. A lack of it has given us Lil’ Wayne, our current President, and an three generations of entitled, spoiled monsters. Yeah, great idea sticking a government nose in our parental duties. Runtellthat! Have A Nice Day!
Mr. Socko - January 3, 2012 via mobile
I'm with you
minus Obama…I like Obama.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
And I wish my dad had showed me how to box
warren305 - January 2, 2012
If you still need to hit a kid who's 16 to make him listen
then you must have done a pretty shitty job when he was 4 or so.
duck - January 2, 2012
Preach!
Magaca - January 2, 2012
I can still sorta see Houston's plight, though.
He’s a single dad raising six kids. It’s a lot on the plate for anyone to deal with.
Someone should have a talk with the guy.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
This, a million times repeated forever
Fuck, whenever I’ve been running classes for kids I feel the same way about yelling: If I need to scare you to make you listen to me, I’m not doing my job.
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
Yeah because being 16 is equal to being 4.....
….even kids who were raised spectacularly still get into trouble at 16. Can you remember what you were doing at that age?
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
Who isn’t trying to get laid at sixteen years old?
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
If the kid only had a slightly bloody nose I don’t see what the big deal is.
LeDuc - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Although now I'm curious what he caught Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara doing on Facebook.
pdl - January 2, 2012
The professional mixed martial artist punching his son in the head
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
you could also substitute “a child” for “his son”
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
Corporal punishment isn't ok bc his dad's a fighter?
I didn’t hear of any snapped limbs or choke outs. You are over reacting.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Corporal punishment isn’t okay period. He forced his son to engage in a boxing match with him in which he hit his son in the head. That is not okay. In many jurisdictions you’re held to a higher standard in what constitutes reasonable self defense if you’ve trained in martial arts; it’s reasonable to assume the safe should apply in…I want to call it unself-offense?
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
Bravo Houston
This reminds me of Richard Pryor’s dad boxing him up for “smelling his piss”
This is a learning experience for him, the punk ass kid prolly needed a good box
Slight bloody nose and a pain in the side isn’t shit
If he whined to the pigs about that he’s a pussy
Houston should have gone for the KO
Cunny - January 2, 2012
He was just trying to teach him a lesson
At least it didn’t involve a one-armed man.
Horselover Fat - January 2, 2012
The only scary thing about a one-armed man trying to scare someone is the fact that he feels that his one arm is good for nothing but trying to scare someone
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
youre all missing the main point:
how the hell dooes one have ‘explicit sexual contact’ on facebook?
gspmademegay - January 2, 2012
"Hey there baby, hows about I lock you in my body triangle?"
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
Anthony Weiner'd.
God that’s uncomfortable to type…
pdl - January 2, 2012
Like this:
8===D O:
Sexytime - January 2, 2012
more like
B==D ~~ p:
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Well since this is a black kid we need to enlarge this
8===D ~~ O :
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
you know, i typed like 8 equal signs
i don’t know why they Loraina Bobbitt’d me down to two
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Seriously same thing happened to me
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
White folks probably intercepted the comments and cut off the length
Penis envy.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
8 equal signs?!
What are you a horse?!
Sexytime - January 2, 2012
re:your sig:
i want fuck chuck and
cock guy.
gspmademegay - January 2, 2012
Beware: The Overeem Cometh.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
lol lol
you guys are fucking nuts! I learn new, useless shit every other day here on BE. I’m sitting here at work trying to decipher the letters and signs, I saw the penis but was wondering wtf is that after it. It took me another 27 seconds to realize what it was.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
I hope his son is in the cropped half of that photo
Cunny - January 2, 2012
The cops saved Houston just before he gassed.
Dave Strummer - January 2, 2012
In other news
Dennis Siver apparently wants to drop to featherweight.
Because a slow, plodding fighter like Siver needs to drop to 145.
SSreporters - January 2, 2012
don’t be hatin on da siver
IanParedes - January 2, 2012
I get the feeling many BE Readers were raised on time-outs.
Distinct lack of woodshed.
UncleMax - January 2, 2012
THIS
This’ll make a badass story when the kid’s older
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Nothing makes you feel more like a man than swapping "that time dad gave me a bloodnose" stories
UncleMax - January 2, 2012
if your dad is an ultimate fighter?
I’m sure the kid was laughing about it with his friends later.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
He'll need to work through tops TOPS - 2 decades of emotional pain before he can laugh about it
but by then what a great story to swap with friends!
UncleMax - January 3, 2012
Rec'd for truthiness.
And the kid called the cops on his Dad? What a little bitch…clearly he needed a gentle ass-kicking.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 2, 2012
NUTS!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
In need of a stern Houston'ing
UncleMax - January 2, 2012
Calling the cops isn't that bad.
He could have called Thiago Silva.
pdl - January 2, 2012
Jesus Christ.
As soon as I saw the “Almost-Touch” / “Psyche!!!!-Stoppage” I just knew it was Murg-Leeyadda reffing.
TorQus - January 2, 2012
You're assuming he did
Coulda been the neighbors
duck - January 2, 2012
Sure,
And I’m not so serious. If this whole tale is accurate, then Houston went too far, but I also don’t feel like he’s necessarily a terrible parent, an “abuser”. The kid is 16, so I make some distinctions based on age, the details, etc. Would’ve been a lot smarter to just lock the kid out of the household computers if he didn’t like what was going on. Doesn’t really sound like the kid did anything so terrible here. But we don’t have much in the way of concrete details.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 2, 2012
My parents
My parents would pick up the phone and say “Go ahead and call the cops, its a 20 minute response time, and they will have good reason to be here by then.” To be sure, that call was never made, because my parents weren’t known for empty threats.
Mr. Socko - January 3, 2012 via mobile
And the son should have said “You’ll hit on me but run from Kimbo”
Meek Mill - January 2, 2012
Wait, so the explicit sexual contact was with Houston?
Cunny - January 2, 2012
.
Earl Montclair - January 2, 2012
MicahtheCynic - January 2, 2012
HOUSTON ALEXANDER IS FOR REAL!!!
Earl Montclair - January 2, 2012
DUMB!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
almost as good as "the machida era"
the guy with the big nose - January 2, 2012
Out of curiosity
If he had just spanked the kid hard for instance, and not given him a chance to defend himself in some way or have the experience be productive physically, would that have been better or worse?
Or for instance if his mother had slapped him in the face and his nose started bleeding from that? Would that have been better or worse?
Decado - January 2, 2012
All of those things are way too terrible to even talk about.
I’ve heard of CPS coming to houses if they place their kid in timeout for more minutes than years of the childs life (i.e. You should NEVER put a 4 year old in timeout for 6 minutes). People are way too soft nowadays and then everybody says “what’s wrong with kids these days?”
Brandon Starr - January 2, 2012
bu bu bu but they did this in that movie Abduction!
and Jason Isaacs didn’t get arrested for child abuse! I call shenanigans!
Rob Young - January 2, 2012
don’t know what’s worse. that you saw Abduction, admit to it on the internet, and actually tried to make sense of a plot point? you silly man, you.
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
So you've never gone to a movie just because a female companion wanted to see it then I take it.
Rob Young - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Fuck no! You need to be a man and tell that bitch what's up!
Also, hit your kids more!
Magaca - January 2, 2012
Sex And the City: The Movie
pussy makes us men such pathetic beings.
and yes, it was actually rather enjoyable.
Victor Rodriguez - January 2, 2012
Why does it make us pathetic
to go see a movie that a chick wants to see? Couldn’t a guy just go see “Jump the Broom” because a chick wants to see it? It wouldn’t make a chick pathetic to go see an action flick that we wanted to see.
Oan, saw Super 8 this weekend. Loved it.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
No
just… no…
(thumping head on wall due to the insufficiency of any facepalm for a fail of this magnitude)
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
The type of lesson the kid one day is going to thank his dad for giving him
Disco1Stu - January 2, 2012
someone who does gifs PLEASE hit us up with
the one of Kimbo and Houston gassing together. Thnx
Dave Strummer - January 2, 2012
Merry Belated Christmas
took a little longer than I thought it would have to find it…
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Insta-rec!
Rosenthal thinking WTF?
Kwisatz Haderach - January 2, 2012
lol
“Uh… Seriously, guys?”
TorQus - January 2, 2012
you are my hero
Dave Strummer - January 2, 2012
I have no memory of this ever happening
That’s awesome
It was like telepathy
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Rec for ya!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
here comes that gatorade contract the ufc always wanted.
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
LMAO Look at Buffer standing up in the background!
GetItOn - January 4, 2012
I hate a child abuser as much as the next guy, but slight bloody nose and a sore side? That isn’t child abuse, that’s good parenting. I’m sure his son isn’t a pussy and can take a couple shots. He used gloves for fucks sake. It’s a lesson. Softies.
kick_puncher - January 2, 2012
How would you guys feel if he had been hitting his daughter?
Bear in mind that I don’t think that makes a difference legally
Tedd Welch - January 2, 2012
Honestly, I'd feel way worse about it.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 2, 2012
I'd feel much worse
But a boy needs a harder hand because a man has tougher responsibilities
I bet the law would be different for a daughter – Not in writing but I bet the sentence would be worse
Cunny - January 2, 2012
That’s ridiculous. Beating your kid is beating your kid, gender shouldn’t figure into it. I don’t know what kind of misguided macho ideals you have, but violence is equally reprehensible when the victim is male.
Simen - January 2, 2012
It really isn't
Ask around
The kid’s 16, not 8
He’s basically a man
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Except that legally he is NOT a man.
drawing a line based on age is rather silly.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Your post title and post kind of contradict each other
Cunny - January 2, 2012
My bad. I got caught up with nerding something.
Let me elaborate:
Legally, you are considered underage below 18 in the U.S. You can’t drink but you can go to war and kill or get killed with the full backing of the government. That is silly.
It is equally silly to say that a sixteen year old boy is a Man going only by his age.
Again: silly. But I have to agree that the more complicated the world becomes, some legal clout has to be afforded to people that are just basically in a trasient state of their development—the world they happened to arrive on is more complex than the world their forebears happened to arrive on.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
You can be kicked out of your house at 16
I think that constitutes being a man.
DCJon. - January 2, 2012
If he was a man, his father would have no legal right to discipline him (violently or not), and this would be assault. So which is it?
Simen - January 2, 2012
It's assault either way
That’s what the law says
That’s why he’s being cited
Cunny - January 2, 2012
But in that case saying 'he's almost a man' has little bearing in anything, yes?
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I wasn't discussing the law
I’m not saying that he’s not legally culpable at all
Cunny - January 2, 2012
I understand what you are saying.
You are saying that he hsould not be legally culpable.
But you are drawing a conclusion based on insufficient data: we ignore what kind of kid this happens to be, how mature he is, how responsible he is, etc.
What he do know is that Houston has extremely bizarre rules in his household in which he looks down upon pornographic activities in his kids’ use of the internet and that he, a trained fighter, is willing to enforce them physically if necessary.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
That assumes that Houston has no idea himself
And can’t calibrate at all based on what he sees in his son
I see his being a professional fighter actually helping him
He knows from training what could hurt his son badly and what wouldn’t
Someone with no skill deciding to box up their son would be more likely to cause severe harm by accident
I wouldn’t call his rules bizarre really
Someone mentioned the dangers of teenage pregnancy
Plus it’s more about the principle – Insubordination and dishonesty
I’d just buy the kid some rubbers but that’s me
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Houston is having a hard time, dude. And he was clearly agitated.
He lives more on the edge than most people would understand given his family situation, and he could well snap if shit got out of control for him.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I think his behaviour seems quite controlled
if unorthodox
getting gloves for him and his son
going down to the basement
boxing with him and not causing much harm at all
Sounds like a lesson more than the outright battering that’s implied
If this was some pillowfist fighter I might think differently
But Houston has crazy power and the potential to smash him to oblivion and held back
Maybe in easier times he wouldn’t have done this, but I don’t think he snapped into a rage or anything
Cunny - January 2, 2012
But with 6 kids he's knows the highs and lows of condoms, and their failings
He’s obviously allergic or distrustful of condoms and sees them as a lesser evil, not a solution.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Not my point
Houston prolly has his own reasons I’m sure
I’d invite the kid down to the study for a cigar
And maybe some crystal meth if he’s good
Cunny - January 2, 2012
Don't you try to lighten the mood with me!
I am deeply, emotionally invested in this argument, and will not have you changing the mood with jest! I’m madder in hale!
warren305 - January 2, 2012
What?
Gad… …How did we get here?
Nevertheles: Condoms are not evil. If anything, he should tell his kids “These are condoms. They will save you from having six of y’all!” If he doesn’t think that way, then something is seriously wrong with the guy.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I was kidding
I’ve never seen u like this…
warren305 - January 2, 2012
YOU DON'T KNOW ME!
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Your words harm me more than any of Alexander's fist
You’re a monster
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Let's make peace.
For Science.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I'd sorta agree with Cunny if we still lived in a hunter-gathere society but... ... ...WE DON'T.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I pretty much agree with the second half, but the world absolutely does not.
And a 16 year is not a “kid”. To equate it to an 8 year old by using the same term for either isn’t remotely accurate, whatever the law says.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 2, 2012
You guys are being silly.
You know fuck well that in our society situations are handled MUCH differently depending on gender. No matter how “equal” a female is to a man, double standards are always going to be heavily, heavily in play. So yeah Alexander strapping on some gloves and catching his daughter with a few hooks is much worse than him doing the same to a 16 year old boy, Jesus…
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
Working on a nerd-ass fanpost about this thing...
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I for one look forward to the war of words
and eventual deletion of the fanpost.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Doubt it.
It will be strong on the nerd coefficient. trust me, people may not even want to read the whole thing.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
People read fanposts before commenting on them?
Serious question.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
You got me there...
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Does anyone else remember
the interview (I believe it was before his fight with Kimbo) where Alexander said that he knew he was ready for the fight because he would try to choke out his son on instinct when he woke him? This puts an entirely new light on that.
Tsubame - January 2, 2012
WHAAAAAAAAAAT?
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
LINK PLEASE
that’s new sig material right there
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
This is just corporal punishment...
The kind that actually helps the child because they learn respect of their elders. Showing your 16 son, that he is not a man yet and must respect you, in my opinion only brings good things. Lots of kids today don’t respect their parents, and in turn, don’t respect authority. I think the pussy-fying of our world and the criminalization of corporal punishment by parents plays a big part.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
He boxed him b/c the kid was getting horny over the internet.
Shyeah, that’s just super.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Sounds like he box'd him for disobeying and subsequently lying
And that… is totally acceptable behavior from a child.
Even if you don’t believe in corporal punishment you should be able to admit the kid did something warranting punishment.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
Indeed.
But what was the need to box the kid? What kinds of standards are those that merit such a response for the offense of doing porny things online?
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
He most certainly didn't NEED to
but at the same time that doesn’t mean his actions were unwarranted.
There is a middle ground called “discretion” and as the child’s father, Houston exercised it imo.
And its ultimately about obedience and deceit, moreso than pervy things on the net. (although… you could get quite a few years and lifetime membership on the sex offender registry for having pictures of naked underage girls on your hard drive…)
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
That's a solid point, though.
Maybe Houston fears the police cracking on his door at night looking for underage porn that he himself did not download?
But what I can’t understand is why Houston would need to instate that insane rule that would push a kid to be a lying and deceitful to his dad.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
thats not an insane rule
even though yes, the obvious logical use for the internet is sex, virtual and otherwise.
But not watching porn, not fucking in your parents’ house, not getting fucked up on their liquor…. these are all things a teenage boy will want to do, and things parents should ban (imo). It doesn’t make it ok to do these things just because teenage boys have the urge to.
Rules are set in place and need to be respected. Especially when a kid is living off of his parents, IN his parents’ house.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
It's a lot more than that.
If the kid sends a dick pick to some chick in his World History class or she’s messaging him with pictures of her tits, who is the adult with illegal photos of minors in his computer’s browser cache?
pdl - January 2, 2012
I was assuming the facebook sexting was on a home computer, making AH potentially liable
but kids are getting charged with possession and distribution of child porn for the stuff you just listed. That’s a better reason for a parent banning sexting than any sexual morals/ethics parents want to instill in their children.
The Lethal Haze - January 2, 2012
You don’t have enough context to say that really.
95% of the time physical violence is completely unnecessary.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
like the cops help raise anybodies kids
the crime fighters should stay out of family business
dalton77 - January 2, 2012
Hitting your kid is not 'family business.'
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
So do you really believe that it not okay to spank, whip with a belt, or otherwise strike your child in anyway?
And even if you don’t or wouldn’t do it, that parents should be criminalized for doing so?
warren305 - January 2, 2012
In what context would whipping a child with a belt ever be acceptable?
Dude, it’s not the 1830s in a London orphanage anymore.
duck - January 2, 2012
Wow, well in Memphis in the 80s I saw many a spanking
Spare the rod spoil the child.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
this guy gets it
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
We also thought Pluto was a planet and the band Poison was popular
Just because we thought it in the 1980s doesn’t make it true.
duck - January 2, 2012
Lol
The 80s were a weird, weird time weren’t they
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Society is the context of many symbols
In a way, there is no inherent meaning to the act of, say, hitting a child. The context is what gives it meaning. think rock paper scissors. If you hold up scissors but nothing else, really you’re just holding up to fingers from a fist. however, when another person holds up a flat hand, all of a sudden you just beat paper. now when he closes that hand, his rock just crushed your scissors.
Society’s interpretations of everything changes as it does. The act of hitting a child in 80s Memphis doesn’t mean the same as hitting a child in modern day suburbia. The context is worlds apart, as is the contextual meaning of the symbol
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
Try San Joaquin farming town on the 70s, even 80s bro
The boys got the belt back then
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
Happened to me a few times in the 90s and I'm not emotionally damaged for it
West Indian parents will fuck you up
Way of life
Makes for fun stories
Cunny - January 2, 2012
There are standards and there are standards.
But standards change and evolve, and there are places where hitting a kid is seen more as a failure than as an appropriate parenting method.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Some wonder if it's evolution
As opposed to dilution of human nature
My mom regrets ever hitting me
I maintain that it was a good thing in the long run
Dunno if I could bring myself to beat my future kids but I don’t see it as a wrong thing at all as a last resort
Cunny - January 2, 2012
It all depends on what you mean by hitting them.
Research, at large, doesn’t back up the effectiveness of hitting kids as a form of punishment.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
I'll pull my punches
and knees to the body only
Cunny - January 2, 2012
That's not how I was reared, man.
That, to me, tells me that I am a failure b/c I cannot communicate with someone under my care. It is on me, not them.
Besides, all we know about the kid is that he enjoys doing porny stuff online and not much else. We aren’t even sure if this whole thing was Houston blowing a gasket b/c of the pressure of raising six kinds on his own, or something.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Well I don't have kids
And I doubt I’d have to hit them. I dont argee with abuse. But not corporal punishment is abuse. I guess.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
what if you have a young kid.....
…you are out at the supermarket and they are making a ruckus as young kids do. You want them to come to the car with you but they don’t want to do it. The parking lot is dangerous, you have to get them to the car.
Are you going to pick your kid up and forcefully take them to the car? What are you going to do if they start hitting you? What if they run away from you and you have to grab them up quick?
What about a kid who bites, as young kids do?
I’m not an advocate for using violence as a disciplinary tool but parenting is complicated and I think it has a place, as long as it’s being used with loving intentions.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
But I will say that having a boxing match with my 16 yr old male son
Doesn’t scream abuse to me in any way. Unless he got really hurt, of coure, and it doens’t sound like he did.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
I can't spell for shit, or form a coherent sentence today
warren305 - January 2, 2012
Look.
Houston has a lot of shit on his plate.
We can’t say the dude is a deadbeat b/c he just is not—he has six kids; he gave a liver to one of them, and he rears them on his own. But on top of that, his has a skidding MMA career where he just got KTFO’d on a regional show, and all of that takes its toll on a man. It has to.
Now, he boxed his son. It could be inocuous, or ot could be not. If your dad is a boxing trainer and he has you spar with him, then maybe shit happens; but the situation was described as a ruckus just enough that the cops were called, and we don’t even know whether or not the kid was a willing participant, that he was wearing or not the globes doesn’t tell us much. Now, add to that that Houston is a trained fighter, a very agitated one at the moment, with a hell of a fucking strong punch, and we’ve got the recipe for disaster.
Houston got a misdemeanor—not a criminal felony where he has to serve time. Ok. But what he needs right now is to have a conversation with somebody about his issues, I’d say. The dude lives a very tough life as it is, and boxing your kid seems like an ill conceived attemp to put some shit in order. That’s all.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Dude it was a kidney
He’s not that selfless
Cunny - January 2, 2012
FUCK.
You are right. English is not my first language and I mix those.
My bad.
FUCK.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Doesn't show at all to be honest
Cunny - January 2, 2012
My English is pretty damn okay. But I still fuck up with some words.
kidney == riñon (spanish).
liver == hígado (spanish).
I tend to mix those from time to time, sadly. Must be the the i’s and the e’s in the words. I dunno for sure.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
It's just the standards of society change constantly bro
My dad grew up in a context where corporal punishment was acceptable if not encouraged. Heck, he got hit quite a bit as a kid. I never had to be spanked or belted in any of my few years. It’s all in the context
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
I have no problem with this
The kid is 16, not 6. And sounds like he was doing some really bad shit, and then talking back to his dad to make it worse.
And obviously Houston Alexander was not going all out on him. “slight nose bleed and slight pain on the right side”. If Alexander was really going to work on him, cops would have found him unconscious with a broken jaw and ribs.
Darkknight95 - January 2, 2012
Ya and the kid is probably a big dude anyway lol
He’s probably like 6’1 200 at least! He’ll probably be starting at free safety for Ohio state in a few years lol
forget - January 2, 2012 via mobile
I wish my dad was nice enough to hand me a pair of gloves when i was bad
I rarely got hit but when i did, i fuckin deserved it. Thought twice before i decided to get in trouble again
Silvio Dante - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Exactly
I like the way Houston handled it. It’s like “if you think you are man enough to lie to me and talk back to me, then prove it”
Darkknight95 - January 2, 2012
agreed.
TrojanCBB - January 2, 2012
seriously.
i got tossed across the room.
TrojanCBB - January 2, 2012
Also, I love the way Alexander handled this
Unless some other details come out of course. But from the facts at hand, I think this is a great lesson for his kid.
Seems like it went along the lines of “well you are gonna lie to me, disrespect me, you must think you are a man. So prove you are a man” and then they went downstairs and boxed. It’s not like it was a one sided beatdown
Darkknight95 - January 2, 2012
And why would you talk shit to your dad
When he’s a 200 pound wrecking machine??? The kid Probably deserved it
forget - January 2, 2012 via mobile
I can't believe the uproar on here
Houston’s kid is 16. He’s obviously explosive with serious knock out power. Houston’s lucky not to have been gassed and Kimboplexed in his own garage.
warren305 - January 2, 2012
A couple links for you (based on research, not "my dad gave me a beatin' and I'm fine")
Corporal Punishment of Adolescents by Parents: A Risk Factor in the Epidemiology of Depression, Suicide, Alcohol Abuse, Child Abuse, and Wife Beating.
Ten myths that perpetuate corporal punishment.
Simen - January 2, 2012
This kicks ass. You get a REC.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
2 studies from 1994?
C’monnn, these theories might still hold true but alot changes in 18 years. Air bags were still ‘controversial’ back then. Science changes, lets see more recent data
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
People's brains and patterns of behavior don't change over time the same way computer processors do, you know.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Or the understanding of the hazardous effects of airbags, for that matter.
Unabomberman - January 2, 2012
Yes they do, otherwise Sociology & Psychology would have gone the way of the dinosaurs. Im not saying the Science is wrong. I just wish he would have cited more recent studies.
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
Sociology is what's mostly at play in this case
dajulzta - January 2, 2012 via Android app
Not exactly the same quote, is it?
Unabomberman - January 3, 2012
Let’s get some (non-anecdotal) data actually contradicting those studies, then we’ll talk.
Simen - January 2, 2012
K, I looked through those myths....
..they address the situation I brought up above…a child in danger of running across the street not needing to be spanked, but scooped up and hugged while explaining the danger of running across the street.
Now, I will say again, I wouldn’t spank a kid in that situation, but some times a child is hysterical and they are not going to just allow themselves to be scooped up and hugged in a gentle fashion. A spank is usually a harmless way of breaking hysteria, much like a glass of cold water to the face. A shock to the system, usually with no lasting effects. I’m sure there are children who’ve shown negative effects due to spankings but I doubt it was isolated to just that.
I have a real hard time believing that all things being equal in a sound environment, a few spankings can lead to future mental instability.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
Your answer is… Speculation.
It seems this particular belief is impossible to break down with data. Which is mindboggling to me, since I live in a country where spanking and other forms of corporal punishment aren’t just illegal, but just aren’t done. Somehow kids grow up to be decent men and women anyway.
If you can’t deal with hysteria in any other way than violence, even symbolic violence, I’d say that’s a failure of you as a parent. (Not counting actual self-defense, of course.)
Simen - January 3, 2012
Hey where are you from?
You are right, I’m speculating.
I’m definitely not trying to defend it and I could easily be convinced that there is no place for spankings and other forms of corporal punishment. I’m just not sure of that at the moment.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
I dont think this is a problem.
Im sure he wasnt goin HAM on his own kid. Probably just pepperin his ass enuff to make his point stick.
Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) - January 2, 2012
rec'd
for actually using “HAM”.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
My own personal opinion?
Spankings = fine. I was spanked. My sister was spanked. Our parents were spanked. And only when shit was deserved. E.G. I wasn’t spanked if I forgot to take out the trash, but I was sure as hell spanked if I hit my sister.
Boxing your kid as punishment =/ spanking. Boxing your kid as punishment is some weak-ass wanna-be alpha-male bullshit, and the number of people in here who are cool with it are some weak-ass wanna-be alpha-males. “Dude bro, that’s just some tough love, bra. When I was a kid my dad used to kick my ass. He’d punch me, kick me, break my arms, stab me with broken bottles, and put out cigarettes on my face. I turned out great! Kids need that shit, bra.”
Farthammer - January 2, 2012
Yeah this
I’m not down for corporal punishment myself, and I won’t use it on my kid, but there is a huge difference between reasonable corporal punishment and forcing your kid to box you (especially if “you” are a 200+ pound professional cage fighter).
Even among advocates of corporal punishment, the common theme is that parents should be calm and in control of their emotions when they’re administering it.
Dave Strummer - January 2, 2012
He clearly had control
Or the kid would be dead. A bloody nose and a sore side could have been caused by 2 punches. Add in the fact of the possibility his son could be charged with possession or creation of child porn (if the girls parents found out and chose to take action) I feel he is doing he son a big favor, especially since his son tried to lie about it.
DCJon. - January 2, 2012
If you punch your son twice and are a professional fighter, you're a total dick
Farthammer - January 2, 2012
I think with the potential severity of charges his son could have faced
He did what he needed to do to ensure his son never puts himself in that situation again.
DCJon. - January 2, 2012
I'm not trying to justify it but
In this day and age, this is very true. You hear about kids facing child porn charges and having their lives ruined for receiving some titty pictures from their girlfriend.
discoandherpes - January 3, 2012
I'm confused
Potential severe charges for a 16 year old on Facebook?
Farthammer - January 3, 2012
What is so confusing?
It says he was engaged in sexually explicit contact. If a girl sent him naked pictures or if he sent a girl pictures and the parents found out and wanted to press charged he would get charged with distributing, producing or possession of child porn and that is a very severe charge.
DCJon. - January 3, 2012
“I’m going to commit a crime to show you that crime can ruin your life!”
Tedd Welch - January 3, 2012
A misdemeanor or a charge that will ruin your life?
hmmm that’s a tough one.
DCJon. - January 3, 2012
Seriously?
There’s a big difference with strapping on gloves and boxing with your 16 year old son at an attempt to teach him a lesson…and going full-on Anderson Silva/Frank Mir on a kid. There’s no alpha male mentality just because some of us here aren’t outraged at what Houston did. I received a handful of whippings as a kid, not as much as my siblings and we all turned out fine…2 turned out gay, but that’s besides the point. I have a niece and a nephew who I know didn’t receive any form of spankings/whippings growing up and they’ve turned out to be absolute monsters. At 14-17 my nephew called his mom bitch this and bitch that when he didn’t get his way, got caught riding around with stolen merchandise and guns in a car with his friends, assaulted his step dad with brass knuckles and recently had to do 6 months in some kind of juvie/bootcamp installation for robbery. I can’t help but think that if he had got clocked upside the fucking head a time or two he would’ve turned out a lot different. Don’t even get me started on his sister. He’s 20 now and his sis is 27, so they’ve kinda mellowed out, but they’re still basket cases. I also have a friend serving a lengthy sentence for armed robbery and I know there was no rules in place in his home when we were in hs. I know it greatly depends on the child because some children can get beat to sleep and still end up behind bars, but at least Houston is making an attempt at teaching his son a lesson. I can’t even remember what my dad looks like. I remember meeting him once back when I was younger, but I don’t remember what he looks like. He didn’t die when I was young or anything, he was a fucking deadbeat dad. So Houston being there for his kids by himself and trying to teach one a lesson during those incredibly troubling years that a teenager goes through is incredibly admirable to me.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
I won't go as far as saying it is incredibly admirable
but I gave you a rec because I agree with the tone of your post.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
Ok
well maybe not incredibly admirable, but at least he’s trying to do his job as a father instead of just washing his hands of his responsibilities. I’m currently helping my mom raise my other 2 nieces and nephew. My sister died back in 2004 and before then the baby daddy wasn’t in the picture. So my mom (the kids grandmother) is raising them and me and my older sister do our part here and there to help out, mainly financially. Basically from my experience, guys don’t stick around and take care of their responsibilities.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
Anyone complaining
Was clearly a spoiled brat growing up. My dad smacked me around a few times and I for sure deserved it. It made me understand that there are consequences for my actions. Getting sent to your room where you have may have toys, a TV, computer etc. is hardly a punishment. I don’t condone needlessly/unwarranted beatings on children, or beatings period but the kid is 16 years old and his dad was teaching him respect. Good for you Houston.
DCJon. - January 2, 2012
I got hit too, so did my brothers,
and I think Houston went too fucking far.
Sugel Mendoza - January 2, 2012
Difference of opinion I guess
but would you maintain that opinion if he did nothing and the parents of these “unknown girls” found the messages and his son was charged with distribution/creation or possession of child porn?
DCJon. - January 2, 2012
Yes, I would.
There are other ways to handle this. Like going Office Space on computer.
Sugel Mendoza - January 3, 2012
Too bad Houston didn't knockout his horny little son.
daftshadow - January 2, 2012
When i was 15 I flipped my dad off when he said I couldn't go somewhere with my friends...
He came into my room n didn’t say a word just punched me in my chest n I flew into my bed n cried like a bitch… I’m a dad now n I’ll demand the same respect.
RECE ROCK - January 2, 2012 via mobile
Hm.
So what you’re telling us that you acted like an asshole, so your dad acted like an asshole, and now you’re planning to train your kids to be assholes too?
gzl5000 - January 3, 2012
umm no. It was a one off thing that needed to be done to wake me the fuck up.
I was starting to be a punk and doing real stupid shit…my father tried to be a voice of reason a few times prior when I was starting to screw up… he knew my next move was going to be a major screw up ( the kids I was with were stealing cars) and he nipped it in the butt right then & there and going forward I stopped the B.S.
RECE ROCK - January 3, 2012
Yep
sometimes sitting a kid down and talking to them doesn’t work. Sometimes it takes a raised “STOP HITTING YOUR SISTER AND GO SIT THE FUCK DOWN!” for a kid to stop wailing on his sister and go sit down than saying “hey john, will you please stop hitting your sister and go take a seat” 5 times.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
Obviously you dion't have to train ppl to be assholes your doing well with out a tutor.
RECE ROCK - January 3, 2012
I'm what you'd call a "prodigy."
gzl5000 - January 3, 2012
BJ is that you?
RECE ROCK - January 3, 2012
To the death.
gzl5000 - January 3, 2012
That sounds like an incredible dickish thing to do.
My dad never even needed to hit me. I knew better.
discoandherpes - January 3, 2012
well I did know better and I crossed the line and all it took was a one time jab to the chest for me to fall back in line and realize where my heads at...
RECE ROCK - January 3, 2012
LOL! Damn dude! I guess the end justified the mean in your case haha.
SentientAndroid - January 3, 2012
this thread is full of northern fairies.
want to be a man? do it under your own roof. otherwise.. box dad.
sounds reasonable
chillnnsht - January 2, 2012
id say its a little tough
but a bloody nose and some “pain” for doing some stupid shEt, not a huge deal imo. not how id handle it if i had kids but its not over the top.
Bigbub - January 2, 2012
If he was being a disrespectful tough guy, I personally don’t think it’s that bad. Most douche bags and assholes are just people who have never gotten punched in the face. That said, barring extreme behavior this is cruel and unusual punishment.
My dad was a fighter, and he rarely ever put his hands on me. That said, it was because I wasn’t an asshole to my parents either.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
None of us really have enough context to judge either way though.
discoandherpes - January 2, 2012
reading this thru many times ive come to a conclusion
• This is not child abuse
• Corporal Punishment has shown in studies to not be overly fantastic
• This is not corporal punishment
I started thinking, corporal punishment is when you get spanked and that’s the end of it. This was a case of a boy thinking his pair had dropped and was untouchable. The boy probably challenged Houston’s authority and tried to assert his independence as a man. Kid’s 16, that’s what happens when you’re a teenage boy. Houston basically called the kid’s bluff and said prove it, let’s box. He put the kid in his place. A semi-bloody nose and a pain in the side are probably resultants of jabs and body shots. I very highly assume he was taking it easy on his kid and when boxers take it easy they do a lot of body work. So this isn’t corporal punishment, this was just like I said in the very very first post; Good Parenting.
Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre - January 2, 2012
You are drawing way too many conclusions (kid's attitide, circumstances, the extent of the damage) from too little information.
Unabomberman - January 3, 2012
The following constitutes child abuse in the state of Nebraska
Emphasis mine; being struck by a professional mixed martial artist is a situation endangering physical health. Plus, I mean…like, the cops cited him for child abuse. It’s pretty cut-and-dry.
Tedd Welch - January 3, 2012
No, it just isn't cut-and-dry at all.
His physical health was in the hands of a professional, and clearly was not in danger. I don’t think this was an example of perfect parenting, but unless there’s a pattern, I’m pretty disgusted by this attitude that Houston should be in jail, that the government should take over management of his family, which is in essence what you’re advocating. Going by what we think we know, Houston is a very good and loving father, who takes his responsibilities very seriously. Child abuse is serious as all hell, and labeling someone an abuser is about as bad a thing as you can say about someone, yet you seem real gung-ho to lump one incident of overly tough love in with the myriad catalog of real horrors that go on behind closed doors. Quoting the law doesn’t impress me, as the written law doesn’t think, doesn’t consider context, and doesn’t allow for judgement.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 3, 2012
So few people see this perspective
He wasn’t some bum swinging hard on his kid to snuff him out the frame and prove a point
He’s someone who can go light when necessary and not cause excessive damage
Cunny - January 3, 2012
snuff him out the frame....
….is an awesome expression.
I must find a way to use it more
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
This is an MMA blog
The opportunity will come up more times than you care to count
Cunny - January 4, 2012
I think we can all agree that Alexander found a way to out-douche Rick Story.
MicahtheCynic - January 3, 2012
No way!
If true, what Story did is much douchier.
Luke Nelson - January 3, 2012
This
Cunny - January 3, 2012
Houston, next time don’t try to box him. Use a belt, a shoe or a “switch”
IRodC - January 3, 2012
The irony
He could have bent him over his knee and hit him as on his ass. Legally.
TheFilt - January 3, 2012
its crazy how many people on BE either sound like they have kids and they understand complete why this happen or sound like they have no idea what their talking about have no kids and use articles to tell them how to be a parent. he’s a father of a 16 year old son who wants to or has sex and having sex at that age means only one thing: once again BABIES! and when babies have babies you know who takes care of them. thats right the guy who gasses against kimbo thats who!!!
Mac Marley - January 3, 2012
I hate all you "Politcally Correct" types...
I think this all comes down to how you were raised and how your environment affected you.
Personally, I was abused physically by my adopted father for the first 7 years of my life, however, after I was put into my Grandmother’s custody, any time I misbehaved, depending on the severity of my delinquency, I was spanked. Now, taking in consideration the way she was raised and the way I was raised, it is safe to say I have a bias toward punishment.
However, I in no way condone abuse of children. I have no problem with spanking, although I probably will not perform the act myself and, actually, the sex of the child will probably determine how I discipline.
With all that said, I still need more information to judge Houston’s actions. From what I gather so far and the very minor damage done to his son and the adherence to safety gear, while frowned upon, I don’t see this as severe child abuse and would place this in the same category as spanking. Personally, I would have waited to place gloves on my son when he commits a violent act or started to get out of control, not something that seems like, basically, a teenager meeting girls he knows for sexual encounters. That’s a time to talk to your kid, a serious ballsy talk about sex. But then again, we don’t know how delinquent this kid was, or if this was a reoccurring thing. But, I do not think Houston should be considered a child beater.
During my training when I was younger, my adult instructors hit me harder then my adopted dad ever did, so in that regards, is that training session different than the disciplinary “training” session that Houston acted out with his son from the limited knowledge we have?
I think it would be another thing if the teen was not protected, or sustained serious injury, or even had a black eye but to me it seemed like Houston was in control the whole time and definitely, could not have gone more than 10% on the teen. Also…how big is this teen as well? There just isn’t enough info.
Final verdict: I think this was the wrong type of punishment to give, but do not think it condones as child abuse and think controlled and safe sparring that a teenage son who has disciplinary issues is something I support…considering that’s what all my martial art training was in the first place.
jcbrewer - January 3, 2012
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