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UFC On Fox 2: Chael Sonnen Vs. Michael Bisping Dissection

Fighter images via UFC.com

Fighter images via UFC.com

Two polarizing, love 'em or hate 'em middleweights will tangle for the number-one contender slot in the co-main event of UFC on Fox 2 tonight. Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping both ooze an obscene amount of confidence, have a knack for getting under their opponent's skin and are either revered or reviled by fans. The similarities pretty much end there though.

Chael Sonnen (26-11-1), currently ranked as the #2 middleweight in the world, blared a truckload of scathing taunts at Anderson Silva in the weeks leading up to their collision at UFC 117. Silva was considered virtually untouchable and Sonnen had been submitted by Demian Maia the year before, so everyone chuckled and chalked it up as the challenger merely exercising his K-1 level smack-talking skills. Sonnen ended up shocking the world by walking his talk, dominating the pound-for-pound deity for four and a half rounds with takedowns and topside pounding until Silva pulled off the Hail Mary triangle choke.

Sonnen would then become embroiled in multiple controversies in his personal and professional life, ranging from a suspension of his license in Nevada and California after pissing hot for banned substances and pleading guilty to some shenanigans involving mortgage fraud and money laundering. The drama kept the unequivocal Oregonian out of the cage for a little over a year, but he picked up where he left off against Brian Stann at UFC 136 last August, submitting him with a second round arm-triangle.


More UFC on Fox 2 Dissections

Evans vs. Davis | Maia vs. Weidman | Fuel TV Prelims Part One | Fuel TV Prelims Part Two


Do I really need to expound on Michael Bisping's (22-3) caustic personality? How's this -- he greeted the booing crowd at yesterday's weigh-ins by flipping the double birds and mouthing the phrase that often accompanies the lewd gesture. Unless my lip-reading is faulty and he was just politely announcing an equipment malfunction, as in, "Stuck shoe!", or lending advice to a front-row attendee on grooming her eyebrows, as in "Pluck two!"

Nah. "The Count" has embraced the role of the villain like Sonnen has, and plays it just as well. The Team Wolfslair product first emerged on TUF 3 as a light-heavyweight and breezed through all three foes, finishing each, to win the show. Some were left with an unsatisfied feeling as Matt Hamill, who Bisping seemed destined to collide with in the finals, had suffered an injury in his quarterfinal win and was knocked out of the running. After Bisping picked off Eric Schafer and Elvis Sinosic by TKO, he was aligned with Hamill at UFC 75.

The split-decision ruling for Bisping was one of the most contentious verdicts of 2007, and the brash UK fighter didn't earn any fans when he jeered "Back to wrestling!" at the dejected Hamill in his post-fight interview. Regardless, Bisping displayed an admirable level of takedown defense, as he did in the follow up performance against another reputable wrestler in Rashad Evans. However, Bisping found himself on the opposite end of the split-decision affair, which was the first loss of his career. His remaining ten fights would take place at middleweight, where only legendary Pride veterans Dan Henderson (KO) and Wanderlei Silva (unanimous decision) would top him. Bisping is currently on a four-fight roll.

Gifs and analysis in the full entry.

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The big question leading into Sonnen's title fight was how he was going to hang with Silva's electric striking.

The answer, which was the first of many jaw-dropping surprises that evening, was to come out of his corner and punch the champ square in the face. The clean left hand put "The Spider" on temporary roller skates and the Sonnen soiree began.

Propelled by the best fight IQ we've seen of Chael, he kept hurling gloves with the Muay Thai expert -- cracking him again with a swift three-piece combination -- just long enough to lullaby him, then exploded for double-leg takedowns like he was shot from a cannon.

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Sonnen accomplished what most thought to be impossible by setting up his takedowns with his hands and penetrating deep in the pocket to control Silva's hips. Even though he didn't wing punches and then transition to a level drop in sequence, Sonnen engaged the Brazilian so ferociously on the feet that the set up was already in place. Chael needed only to await a proximity and position in which Silva would run out of real estate with his back against the cage wall. A startling stat is that Sonnen only secured three takedowns in the five-round affair, yet maximized his efforts by staying active enough from the top to preclude a referee stand up.

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Whether you want to call it a resurgence or a reinvention or whatever, Sonnen has undoubtedly flipped the switch and rolled out a reconstructed game plan. The distinct evolution was born immediately after he became the WEC champion by defeating Paulo Filho and was subsequently manhandled in his UFC return by Demian Maia. His string of dominant decision wins over Dan Miller, Nate Marquardt and Yushin Okami proved that Sonnen wouldn't just swan dive into the first available triangle or armbar his opponent offered up (8 of 11 career losses via submission). Those fights consisted wholly of airtight boxing that paved the way for his synthesis of engulfing takedowns and frenetic top control.

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Above, we see Sonnen's modus operandi on the mat. He's been slicing into half-guard right away and locking down a ten-ton base high above the knee on his opponent's trapped leg. This is a classic Team Quest slaughterhouse position made famous by Randy Couture, who was just as malicious from here as many fighters are in full mount. Notice how Chael maintains excellent posture, slithers ahead and uses his left knee to trap his opponent's right arm. This can end up with Chael having both of his hands free to thwack undefended strikes, attack the other arm with two-on-one control or hop to the other side for the arm-triangle (left, against Stann).

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Michael Bisping takes a lot of flack for having no punching power. "Pillow fists" is an internet burn he's been branded with for a while now.

Let me address this up front: first, fourteen of his twenty-three career wins are by TKO. That rounds up to a 64% finishing ratio by strikes. Sure, for all intents and purposes, Bisping only recently finished his first A-level fighter in Jason Miller ... yet submission all star Demian Maia has only submitted one A-level opponent in Chael Sonnen and beat the rest by decision, but I sure as hell don't hear many people quipping that his grappling is soft. Bisping is an elite striker. Period.

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His goal is to stay upright, and if you analyze the common symptoms of strikers who are taken out of their element by wrestlers, the two root-causes of failure are (1) planting their feet too heavy and too deep in the pocket while (over-) committing to punches and (2) a lack of fundamentally sound clinch and sprawl technique. Bisping is phenomenal in both aspects.

His lack of unruly knockout power is the exact reason why he excels at (1) rarely getting caught with his feet stationary. To put major mustard on your punches, you have to plant your feet, dig in and pivot while torquing your hips and core into the motion.

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While the upside is an increase in velocity and heft, the downside is that the predatory wrestler is fixated on timing his takedown to connect at the precise fraction of a second when the striker's feet are planted. That's because the mechanics of elusive footwork to counter an incoming shot are the opposite: light on the toes, never directly in front (12:00 o'clock) of your foe, constantly at an off-center angle and poised to react defensively to evade the wrestler's grasp.

Bisping embodies those traits in the two gifs above versus Hamill. While the best approach to stay afoot is to eschew contact entirely, ala Lyoto Machida, eventually the sprawl and clinch elements (2) come into play.

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Against UFC on Fox 2 main-eventer Rashad Evans (above), one of the most adept wrestlers at 205-pounds, we witness Bisping's defensive clinching arsenal. Staying light on his feet to keep his balance (1) when Rashad times an explosive double leg, "The Count" gets and holds an overhook with his left hand, aka "the whizzer", and underhooks his right into Evans' armpit. This gives Bisping a clinch hold to apply massive upward leverage against Rashad's downward force (2), powered by the strong base of his low and wide stance. At the tail-end of the gif above and in the one to the left, we see Bisping's final line of defense from his back.

In the first he uses his hips to create space and keeps extending that distance until his back is against the cage. Then, again with the whizzer, Bisping, who was just flat on his butt, breaks free and scrambles up to the standing position. The last animation depicts Bisping's mannerisms when he's in his least favorable spot, which is on his back in the center of the cage with no fence nearby to assist him. He goes with an old school, closed full guard and snatches paralyzing wrist control with both hands. This lets him sit on Rashad's hips, manipulate his posture by pulling his head down with his right hand and plant a short left elbow.

Notice how, as soon as Rashad breaks loose and tries to posture up, Bisping immediately opens his guard, activates his hip motion and threatens to escape. Rashad, not wanting to lose the top position he worked so hard to achieve, postures back down on Bisping to hold him in place, and the original process starts all over again.

This will be the chess match that ensues on Saturday night. Sonnen will have to set up his takedowns by committing to his strikes while waiting for the right time and position to rifle a double leg; Bisping will stay fleet afoot and sting with a high volume of medium-power punches from alternating angles while staying in open space and out of corners.

I think Sonnen has the slight edge here, but I'm telling you -- Bisping at +400 are extremely lucrative odds to throw some couch-cushion change at. My personal slant would put Sonnen around -125 and Bisping in the neighborhood of +150ish. I think this fight is that close. Bisping has never been submitted and should be hell on wheels for Sonnen to get and keep down.

My Prediction: Chael Sonnen by a close decision.

Sonnen vs. Stann gif via Zombie Prophet of IronForgesIron.com

All others via my "gif wingman", Caposa

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Comments

I wonder how the change of opponents will affect both fighters. I think the change almost helps Bisping. He would have been working his BJJ and wrestling a lot for Maia I think, whereas I doubt Sonnen was training much sub defence for Munoz

not really no
Bisping is an elite striker. Period.

He’s a volume striker that overwhelms opponents.

yes really yes

Nothing in your statement justifies not being elite.

How can one be elite

if they are lacking in a facet of what they’re supposed to be elite in?

He's not elite in "power"

He’s elite in striking, and power is just one of many aspects.

Is Paul Sass not an elite grappler because he lacks wrestling? Or Aoki? Or is Floyd Mayweather not an elite boxer because he doesn’t have KO power?

It's a huge aspect

As I said, he’s technical and accurate. The fact that his only avenues to win generally involve overwhelming fighters with strikes mean that he isn’t elite. He is, in fact, limited in what he can do, and this has shown in the fights where he’s gotten out-powered (Silva, Hendo), or outworked in other areas (Evans).

See Demian Maia reference

He’s only subbed one A-level opponent and his avenues to win generally involve overwhelming fighters with position.

So Maia isn’t elite?

The difference is that Maia also has demonstrated the ability before

and not in a “have to go way back to the beginning of his career” level either. It hasn’t been pulled out of the hat recently, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have concrete examples of it being there.

I don't get it

How is “demonstrating the ability before” (i.e. previously) any different than “having to go way back to the beginning of his career”?

Bisping has more TKO’s recently and in the UFC than Maia does subs.

we've already covered the difference in TKOs
Bispings Striking

Is very good. He’s prolly a top striker in the MW division, but his striking failed him against Wanderlei, below Henderson(elite) and few notches behind(silva). Im not sure how you could call him Elite. Sure he can finish guys like Denis Kang and Jorge Riviera. Brian Stann IMO also has better striking than Bisping.

I guess if simply being a fringe top 5 striker in the MW division is elite, then yeah he’s elite. But there’s a clear difference between Bisping’s striking and the truly elite strikers.

Bispings striking is around Alan Belcher level imo. Bisping just has higher fight IQ

Listen

I don’t like the guy, but he has excellent boxing skills… He’s an elite striker that lacks natural KO power.

I would define someone lacking power

as not being elite. He’s accurate and technical, but I would say to be elite, one needs to have all facets.

What are you talking about?

Nick Diaz lacks natural ko power.

Name 1 fighter at 170 that would outstrike him?

Your definition of an elite striker makes no sense

We'll find out if Condit does in a few days.

We’ll see if GSP ever does, assuming he gets healthy. Diaz has also made up for his lack of power by being so much better than everyone else at other aspects.

....

so what you’re saying is, that even without crazy knockout power that he’s an elite striker?

Also, diaz is gonna smash him

Well played sir
Thanks

I was just reading through you and Cory Braiterman’s and I thought I would just inject my 2 cents.

Im fine with him stating his opinion, but I always thought that elite was synonymous with “the best”

I mean, Anderson Silva can’t wrestle, but he’s still an elite fighter

Elite doesn’t mean the best… it means at the top, some of the best.

How many guys at MW could beat Bisping standing? Hendo, Silva, Belfort… everyone else is a maybe IMO (Belcher, who I think he’d beat… Lombard, who I think he’d probably beat standing, etc).

I’d consider that elite.

He doesn't lack power though

He’s KO’d some excellent strikers with great chins.

Just realized

I replied to the same person twice.

Uhh... like who?

TKO != KO.

He's one of the best, despite that limitation

and his other factors are generally so much higher than anyone in the entire sport that it makes me more willing to overlook his lack of power than I am Bisping, who isn’t simply leagues above everyone else.

Nick knocked out Robbie Lawlor

with a single punch. He KO’d Paul Daley with a body shot. Cyborg got rocked a few times in their fight, too.

Diaz clearly has KO power.

You can't KO someone with a body shot.

A KO is where you knock someone unconscious, and I’m unaware of that ever being done via body shot.

Body shot TKOs are frankly even more impressive than straight KOs

hitting a professional fighter hard enough in the gut to make him quit is the stuff legends are made of (see Jones, Roy).

The myth of Nick’s lack of power is just that. Bisping, on the other hand, actually lacks power.

hatton v tzsyu

body shot heaven…

A KO is a KO

Doesn’t matter if its a body shot or not.

I can tell you from personal experience, a good body will black you out and shut your whole body down. Its way worse than getting KO’d with a head shot.

From what I remember Daley got dropped by a right hook to the dome.

I've heard some people say that

But Daley definitely ate a hard liver shot and it seemed like a delayed reaction to it(which is common with body shots).

Daley’s body language said that he was out of equlibrium with one rubber leg. That seems like a response for a headshot. After a livershot he wpoldn’t lose his legs.

I've lost my everything

after a liver shot. :P

In terms of technique, he's top 5 in the division when it come to striking

If you disagree, tell me 5 better technical strikers.

as I said

technique alone doesn’t make one elite in my book. He’s lacking in an area.

Let’s define elite sports people: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are the standard best three QB’s in the NFL (this year with Peyton hurt).

There’s a reason Mike Vick, Tim Tebow, etc aren’t in that list. They’re pretty good quarterbacks on some level, but are missing the all-around mastery.

How is 64% KO rate "lacking"?

Waiting on the more elite strikers who have fought equal competition who are equally technical with a better KO rate.

It isn't a 64% KO rate

its a TKO rate. It’s from volume, not one-hitter-quitters.

Major straw-grabbing now

TKO includes KO’s and is a simple measurement of finishing with strikes.

No, that's the entire point of the matter

he’s good at volume punching that overwhelms opponents. TKOs are not the same as KOs.

LOL

So finishing with multiple strikes instead of one catapults him out of the elite? Isn’t the goal to finish?

You're moving the goalposts

There’s really no argument you can give me that will convince me that someone lacking in power is an elite striker. Again, he’s technical and accurate, but every time you hit someone and don’t put them out, you are giving them one more chance to end your night. That lacking aspect knocks him out of what I consider elite

Goal posts are firmly situated

KO vs. TKO are nothing but different means to the same end.

I guess your argument isn’t doing anything to sway mine either. You can’t list 5 better strikers who have equal or better competition, and that’s more important to me than getting the same result with a different method.

I did list people who I think are better strikers

Clearly there isn’t an SAT test we can have them take, so it’s all opinion. I think many of them are worse martial artists, but that wasn’t the question. Nor was level of competition.

Didn't say it was the question

Just that your defining principle is power, and I think achieving the desired result at the apex level blows away someone who can knock out B and C level fighters more often, or with less volume.

That isn't the defining principle

Don’t put words into my mouth, please. If that was, then Leben would be near the top of the class of strikers; he clearly is not one of the best strikers in the division.

Dude
as I said

technique alone doesn’t make one elite in my book. He’s lacking in an area.

That lacking area is power, as you keep repeating. How is that not the defining principle for your opinion that Bisping is not elite?

You seem unable to grasp what is a basically simple concept

He is lacking in an area of a specific skill set. IMO if you are not at the very top of the charts in all assets, you are not elite. There’s nothing more or less to it. Anderson Silva is the absolute master in pretty much every single aspect. He’s elite. There might really be one or two other elite strikers in the division, Bisping is not one of them IMO.

Oh, a bitter non sequitur

I grasp it just fine. I’m arguing it.

Your last few comments were deflecting about some small detail that I responded to and you’ve somehow jumped back to the big picture view that I’m “unable to grasp a simple concept” and repeated the same thing you started with.

Just sayin.

you keep bringing up the details

as do others. There’s really nothing to expound upon, as it is a simple concept that I shouldn’t even need to repeat. However, I’ll just eventually drum it into everyone’s head

So by your definition, Anderson Silva is not an elite fighter

Since he’s lacking in wrestling.

You are clearly misusing my definition

but that’s fine, I don’t expect everyone to grasp simple concepts.

Just wondering

with your definition then, there is only a very small group of “elite” strikers in the world then, guys like Hendo, Rampage, Lidel, Silva, that sort of thing right?

yes

Terms like “elite” get thrown about too often imo. There’s still a difference between Eli Manning and Aaron Rodgers. or Tom Brady (I say this as an NY fan). Eli is goddamn great, but there’s still a tier ahead of him.

I see

most of what you’re saying, but I’m having trouble understanding that one punch power is your only criteria, to be elite. Tom Brady, Payten Manning, those are elite QB’s, because they are that total package, but guys like Page, Silva(Wanderla was who I was referencing earlier) Chuck don’t have the other points as well, at least no to the level of “elite”. Am I missing something from your case?

again, it is not

it’s merely one aspect. Otherwise Chris Leben would be near the top of elite strikers. He isn’t technical at all, which is why he doesn’t make the list.

think of it as a checklist

power
accuracy
technique

if the box isn’t checked for all 3 (and i reserve the right to add to it if I can think of some other definition), then I wouldn’t say elite.

I get

the whole check list, and agree with you saying Bisping isn’t “elite”, but at the same time, you are trying to use others as examples and based on that check list, no one in MMA is an elite level striker, save for maybe one person, Anderson Silva.

I think Jose Aldo is in that class

JDS is probably there. Overeem might be. Nick Diaz maybe. Rua’s got a shot. Probably quite a few others who aren’t even near the top of the heap as far as overall MMA, but are great strikers.

Elite is just that – the best of the best. I see no reason to expand that to include the likes of Bisping just because he happens to be near the top of his particular division.

Yeah, that’s about right. Toss in Jose Aldo, JDS, Reem, Chuck in his day. Those guys are Elite strikers Sam Stout is a good technical stiker and he’s in many ways a good paralell to Bisping – very good, but not Elite. Elite means the very top tier and there is clearly a tier of strikers above Bisping’s level.

Again, depends on your definition of elite

But that’s a very finite scope. To me, there are fighters on an untouchable pedestal (like those you listed) but that’s like asserting only one fighter per weight class is elite.

I’d hazard that at least 5-7, maybe 10 fighters per weight class would designate elite.

By definition, elite means in the absolute top class. With that in mind it is ridiculous to say someone can’t be elite because they lack a certain “aspect.” If a fighter is so damn good at what he does he can still be elite. Elite is a measure of overall ability and effectiveness, not completeness. Still, I don’t think Bisping belongs in the same class as Anderson Silva. Maybe one day we will get to find out.

Since when does elite

Mean well-rounded?

He's not good at all aspects of striking

So I wouldn’t call him elite.

or just punching before people think that's what I'm referring to
Where's the list of 5 better?
just looking at the top 25

Anderson, Shlemenko and possibly Khalidov, Lawler and Santiago. Mind you I think he beats quite a few of those guys in an MMA match, but that isn’t your question.

Even saying that he’s better than all those possibles, wouldn’t make him elite, it would merely make him the tallest midget. Most of that division is grapplers, so being better strikers than them isn’t the tallest order.

Manhoef is probably a better striker

Much worse at MMA tho

I'd say fighting at the undoubtedly elite level

is much more integral to elite striking, something everyone on your list doesn’t have, except maybe Lawler, and that’s a huge stretch.

Plus that’s only four with only one “no duh”.

Bisping's best wins are the two Millers, Akiyama and Leben

They’re not bad at all, but considering he doesn’t even have any fights against anyone else in the consensus top15 – not even wins, just fights – I’m not sure I’d call it elite either.

Do that same math for the fighters you mentioned

Tell me how that compares.

I'm not the one calling any of them elite

Better than is not the same as elite :)

Uh, this started when I asked for 5 more elite strikers

And that’s what you listed.

I don’t think we’re getting anywhere here. Let’s reconvene on the Evans vs. Davis post with a fresh, Febreeze-like perspective.

I would throw in Rockhold and possibly Lombard as well.

I thought about Rockhold

but he has some power question marks as well, and is pretty young in the sport. I forgot about Lombard tho.

silva, belfort, wanderlei, lawler, lombard, khalidov, manhoef

I also wonder how he’d fare in a striking-only match against grapplers with solid boxing like sonnen and okami. he also, obviously, was knocked out by henderson in a match that never hit the ground.

however, this point is somewhat moot to me because when i think of bisping i think of a guy whose major strength is simply his overall MMA ability. his defensive-minded style works very well for him, and though he’s not the best at anything (unless you count having the best sprawl) he can handle himself anywhere the match goes. he’s actually exactly the type of fighter i’d expect to have a late-career resurgence similar to chael and hendo.

Best list so far, but ...

Who are the best opponents that Manhoef, Lombard and Khalidov have demonstrated this elite striking against?

I also agree with your summary.

yeah, it's a weird hypothetical thing to argue

even though bisping wins his fights with patient, technical striking, 2 of his 3 losses have been the result of being outstruck by less technical guys.

but man, how awesome would a robbie lawler/michael bisping fight be?

I want Bisping vs. Belfort

Even though it’s not on the horizon.

Bisping would get starched

I see Belfort basically beating every guy on the feet in the UFC not named Anderson Silva.

in the mw division…

JDS, Reem and even Barry would probably spank his ass lol.

...okay, let's try this again

Since when does elite mean “good at all aspects”?

also I said "all around mastery"

Not well rounded. There’s a difference.

What is that difference then?
mastery

it’s a completely different word

Goal posts?

You said “all around mastery” vs. “well rounded”. The root word “rounded” is indeed the same word.

yes

now add another word to it that has a completely different definition. I said one thing, someone changed it to mean something else. I’m correcting it.

Well that really cleared things up

can’t you just reply with a witty gif? One that proves your point, destroys his, and at the same time creates 32 recs?

BTW… I agree with you, his bar for elite is too high. You have to take a control sample (which is high level mma striking, If you don’t then any high level striker from other sport comes into play). Once you have defined the criteria it’s difficult to prove that Bispings application in an MMA setting isn’t elite. He’s just a hell of a lot better at applying it that most of the division.

Yes

That's how I train ... so I can do this

That's the best gif I've never seen

Only one guy wearing headgear makes it even better.

HA... I see what you did there...

Debating semantics is like f**king a tree. a complete waste of time.

SO WHAT DOES EITHER PHRASE MEAN?
Ditto

That’s the best way to disprove a point. Let’s hear the list, and I guarantee that most of your options haven’t fought at the same level.

People underestimate Bisping because they hate him. Fact.

Remember how many people were saying that Miller was going to easily beat him?

Having said that, this is an incredibly tough fight for him, and he’ll more than likely lose a decision.

I think a lot of people are blinkered by their hatred for Bisping.

I also think that, not only is he massively underestimated, but I think he is grossly misunderstood, too. I’ve met Mike before and he he really couldn’t make more time for MMA fans. He’s been the posterboy for UK MMA now for the pst five years and I think he’s handled that responsibilty really well.

Even if Bisping KO’s Sonnen flat out cold in the first 10-seconds of tonights fights, there will be hoardes of people calling it a lucky punch and that he doesn’t deserve the credit that he gets.

Bisping looks real hairy in that picture.

Everybody thinks because Chael took Silva down and pounded on him he can easily do it to Bisping but Silva and Bisping have diiferent styles. Silva acts like most BJJ blackbelts and doesn’t mind hanging out on the ground looking for submissions. Bisping actively tries to go back to his feet.

Sorta unrelated, but I just saw someone post this as a comment on a youtube video

“Chael is mad coz Anderson ate one of his balls.”

…yeah.

No wonder Chael has it out for Anderson then

in the weeks leading up to their collision at UFC 127.

wasnt it ufc 117??

Crap

Shyah.

haha it happens. just proud to be the first BE prowler to notice it

Bisping is in for a long night if he can’t keep the fight standing. Judging from his last fight against Brian Stann, Sonnen isn’t planning on letting that happen. I expect him to work for the clinch or a take down at the opening bell. Bisping’s wrestling has improved since his earlier fights in the UFC, but he is far from a dangerous with BJJ if he finds himself on his back. Simply put, Bisping doesn’t possess Chael’s kryptonite, submission skills. I expect him to end up like Okami, Marquardt, Stann, etc. and be ground down by Sonnen’s wrestling and top control.

bisping has a pretty good defensive guard

he may be able to nullify sonnen

not sure i fancy his chances at that though

“both … are either revered or reviled by fans”

Does anyone actually revere either of them? And I don’t just mean “think that they are good (or even great) fighters”.

Nitpick, your betting numbers are backwards the – number is going to be higher than the + number, like -150 +125.

I enjoyed the article, thanks.

Bisping has an enormous following (mostly UK), I'd say Sonnen does as well

And someone else pointed the flaw in my betting odds. Let’s go with yours.

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