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Bad Boy Presents Bloody Elbow Radio - Episode 129: UFC On Fox Results Review

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Bloody Elbow Radio, presented by Bad Boy, will be LIVE! at 10:30 p.m. ET/7:30 p.m. PT for another edition of the show. Join hosts "The DA" Neil Wagner, Matthew Roth and Forrest Lynn as they review tonight's UFC on Fox, which is headlined by a light-heavyweight clash between Rashad Evans and Phil Davis and a middleweight eliminator bout between Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping. Also on the card is a middleweight bout between Demian Maia and Chris Weidman.

We'll review all the bouts on the card while taking your calls, emails, tweets and comments.

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GUESS WHAT!

I’m not checking the Bad Boy inbox, so tweet somebody if you don’t want to post a comment:

Me: @DA_NeilW
Roth: @MattRoth512
Forrest: @SprewellRimz

The Over/Under for actual fight time was WELL over my line of 45

Yeah it was. I’m not shocked, though. Not by any means.

Seriously

Snoozefest. Not a single main card fight was even slightly entertaining

I thought Sonnen/Bisping was, but of the other two, one was flat-out boring and the other a mismatch.

Beltran lost, brian's gonna be crushed if he's on....
I gotta be honest

This show wasn’t good at all to attract more fans.

Weidman and Maia were sloppy and gassed, Chael looked horrible in the first two rounds and still ended up 30-27 on at least one judges card, and the last fight was the best of the main card but still would not appeal to the casual observer.

I agree. Grapple / clinch fest. No exactly great for getting new fans hooked. Question for the show, was it a mistake by the UFC to book so grapple-heavy fights for their first proper FOX card?

Sonnen-Munoz would have been different

Bisping probably would have finished Maia. Shit happens man.

I think the original match ups would have been more exciting.

We would have seen Maia try out his striking with Bisping and get outstruck, maybe even finish, and I think Munoz would have put Chael out with big punches if Bisping was able to control him

i think silva will make quick work of sonnen this time, sonnen striking is way to wild.

Wait…who is going to be on tonight? Since Hemmi is here.

Hey guys...i'm intoxicated!
Signs of a good night!

THE OLD MATTHEW ROTH IS BACK!

I wish I were intoxicated

To forget the main card.

Guess Rumble couldn't sell his tickets before the show...
He saw the great pre-show pizza...
Roth's gonna cost the show their Bad Boy sponsorship!
Binge drinking
Bonuses were awarded before the main event ended
First calf cutter in UFC history?
Second calf cutter

First succesful calf cutter

I thought Swanson's KO was better

The way Roop’s mouthpiece came out was like a video game.

65K isn't a good bonus?

Jesus

They were getting 55 or 45k for FX show weren't they?
its pretty standard over all cards

The UFC really needs to fix their free tv model. These fights are horrible

Roth going healthy with the hot pocket
I myself am going with a pepper jack grilled cheese sandwich
I prefer the peperroni or ham/cheese
I love the new Lean Pocket pretzel bread ones
At least is not a Lean pocket

Roth, you my good man, are trashed. How delicious is that hot pocket?

To me, Maia vs. Weidman lasted longer than Evans vs. Davis. That fight was eternal

Would it have been better if Rashad/Davis was a 3 round right?

I think Evans would have looked better

I'm eager to see the ratings for this show, especially by the end of the night.
I thought the 1st show was great because it left fans wanting more and had them curious.

The 2nd show answered those people’s curiosities with the worst possible answers: Clinching, Grappling, and Gassing.

SWEATY GUYS HUGGING FTW!

UFC needs to showcase lighter weight fighers, the fights are almost always better, more action packed, less sloppy etc… I’d make Nate Diaz and Frankie Edgar mainstays on my UFC cards

Now, I didn’t think the fights were all that bad. I’ve seen a lot worse. The late second/third round of Weidman-Maia was horrid. Bisping-Sonnen was a good bout and back and forth for those who understand the styles of the two. Davis-Evans was a one-sided stifling that Archie Bunker would have been proud of. But casual fans will poop all over this. The people who were introduced to this through this card might not ever come back.

Alright, regarding the BECW results

I’ve got the results ready to copy-paste into a comment. I’ll do a complete recap tomorrow but should I reveal the results here or keep you guessing until tomorrow?

you can go fuck yourself for all I care
I thought you had an insatiable desire for fags?
If you have or are such a one, present yourself

But seriously, fuck the CW

I don't need to see the results

I KNOW I shit the bed on this one.

EVERYBODY did
Show! Dammit

I don’t think I broke 30

33 points

I’m sure I’ll be on the low end. Awful performance.

Spammy.

Look at my betting on PG. Then feel better about your night.

I had like $40 real life moneys on an Evans / Maia parlay.. FUCK

All three of my betting slips bit the dust
60 points separated team no. 1 and no. 10

Everyone had a terrible event. Still some slightly surprising results.

Here we go, team scores for UFC on Fox 2:
1: The Filipino Reccing Machines, 465
2: INEPT, 464
3: Ruining Your Special Night, 446
4: Bus Feeders, 445
5: Trainyard Sleepers, 443
6: The Voices In Paul Harris’ Head, 438
7: Cecil People’s Champs, 434
8: Ned Stark’s Bastards, 414
9: Brock Lesnar’s Cruelty-Free Pest Control, 412
10: Luke Thomas’ Beard, 405

Overall scores:
1: INEPT, 2411 (464)
2: Bus Feeders, 2270 (445)
3: Cecil People’s Champs, 2262 (434)
4: The Filipino Reccing Machines, 2206 (465)
5: The Voices In Paul Harris’ Head, 2173 (438)
6: Ned Stark’s Bastards, 2111 (414)
7: Ruining Your Special Night, 2087 (446)
8: Brock Lesnar’s Cruelty-Free Pest Control, 2035 (412)
9: Trainyard Sleepers, 2032 (443)
10: Luke Thomas’ Beard, 1985 (405)

We're gunna get you, Danish stat boy!

Det är vad jag pratar om Horselover! (Please tell me that translated right)

That’s right, man! No one would ever say that in real life like that but you definitely got the translation right.

We're closing in on you spammy.

I mean, you guys are still comfortably first, but it’s looking like a three horse race between INEPT, Cecil People’s Champs, and the Bus Feeders.

How are you closing on us

When we finished ahead of you this event?

Well, INEPT is #1 on the list, they have 464 points. But yet Reccing machines is #4 on the list with 465 points

What?

You’re not making any sense. The score in parentheses is the event score. Reccing Machines are in first place in the first table because they scored the most points for this event, but they only have 2206 overall.

OHHH

WELL YOU SHOULD HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR THEN

My mistake, sorry man!

I guess what I’m saying is the overall positions table isn’t sorted after overall scores

And it looks like you got the ranking order of the overall scores way wrong if the totals are right
What?

I am drunk and stoned but I don’t see what’s wrong …

I see nothing wrong

I’m blackout drunk but the numbers look in line. The only mistake I see is that you didn’t count Subbevil’s points

Well, INEPT is #1 on the list, they have 464 points. But yet Reccing machines is #4 on the list with 465 points

The Filipino Reccing Machines #1?

With a guy who probably posted a zero score AGAIN.

Impressive score

And please, tell Luke Thomas’ Beard to stop whining about only being 10. It sucks and they would surely have a higher score if there were 11 of them, but the 10 remaining guys on that team have themselves to blame as well as much as Subbevil.

Well we will never know because we don't get special treatment

like the other teams.

Sure you will

If Subbevil had posted average scores (which is more than you can expect from a last round pick), you would have barely been in 8th place. If he’d been above average you still wouldn’t have cracked the top 7.

Why do you assume he would be average?

Isn’t the juggalo tearing shit up? And 7th place is better than last place. So you make no points at all.

I assume he would be average

Because after 4 events, out of the 9 last round picks that aren’t named Subbevil, two guys are <1 and 3 points above average while SethSmiley is 38 points above average and 6 guys are below average (79, 9, 72, 25, 67, 38 points respectively).

Some of you have said that it’s a shame you got a non-picker because that means you were fucked out of having any chance of doing something. I’m saying that if Subbevil performed as his draft pick suggested, you would at the very best be 8th, more likely 10th.

Get out of here with statistics

I’m only talking about fake hypotheticals that I make up in my mind

Lighter weight classes on FOX

They need the exposure and bring excitement

Heavyweight boxing syndrome

it don’t matter less they weigh 200 pounds

So really guys, how bad was that Sonnen decision, and who else loves it? :D
Is Roth hitting on Forrest?
This is more typical than you realize.

He’s rubbing his big hairy neck across Forrest’s face.

OHMYGOD WHAT AM I MISSING?
Don't worry bro, it's totally natural
Nuzzling Forrest neck.
Sonnen decision was right on

He won the fight.

I'll tell you the viewership was trending toward bored as shit.
I wanna remind everyone that Herb Dean was a trending topic

He is the most famous person in the world in the history of ever

He was more explosive than Rashad and Phil COMBINED!
He wears VANS which I used to love

I have a pair of stylish VANS, they look nice and all, but they are uncomfortable as fuck. Then again I do have flat feet or something, but yeah, not comfortable shoes at all.

They were always pretty nice fitting when I was kid

Do they still make them?

Definitely.

Some of my buddies swear by them.

But Phil knew he wouldn't get a shot unless he won impressively, so does the title shot promise hold up?
Forrest said "Athletic"!

Everyone drink!

I thought Rashad would bomb Phil out on the feet. His standup is capable, but it is so basic. And I’m guessing Phil has relied on athleticism for the entirety of his UFC run thus far, because his MMA wrestling looked atrocious tonight.

Now on to my black tuxedo cake for dessert

Mmmmmm…..

No way Shogun is smaller than Rashad
I'm starting to miss Carlos Sonnando

Chael is sticking to a script too much

"It sounds like he has an hispanic accent..."
MATT ROTH

IF THE UFC WAS MADDEN, WHAT WOULD RASHAD’S CAGE IQ RATING BE? DISCUSS.

He’ll be around top 10 or on the outskirts realistically.

Phil has no hands, I don't get how he learned the low kick before he learned the jab.

Phil’s athleticism appears to have been overrated leading up to this fight. Rashad, at this point in his career, is two levels above Phil Davis. I saw this result coming since the Lil Nog fight, if Jon Jones was fighting Rashad tonight, he would have kept kept him down off the first takedown and clubbed him silly. In Davis’ defense, he should have never been matched with Rashad in the first place, he was pushed into a contender level fight 4-5 fights too soon.

To be perfectly honest, I think anyone who’s betting on Rashad to beat Jones is betting with their heart, and not with their head.

Phil has too wide and muscular upper-upper body to ever learn how to box fluently.

Discuss.

Jay Bilas would cream his pants with Davis' wingspan
Would he stroke at Jon Jones' then?

I don’t buy that, he doesn’t need to be a great boxer, just a competent one. I’ve seen guys of various body types box competently, so his physique is not the issue.
He just didn’t spend enough hours honing his hands, and those horrible looping punches showed that.

He’s not very fast either though.

True, but that doesn’t mean his boxing technique has to look so bad.

Forrest always sounds like he thinks he's too good to be there

If anyone thinks this fight is a robbery, for the love of god, read the Fightmetric report. It is a clear cut 29-28. MMA fans just love calling robbery when a fight is any semblance of close.

Also, it wasn’t really a BAD fight. But I expected a one-sided romp from Sonnen or the exact opposite in Bisping doing his good technical boxing with sticking and moving.

Bisping deserves a ton of respect.

He’s not terrible, just not elite.

I think he would have mauled Maia

If he had the ability to wrestle at a better level as a kid, he would be elite.

I can't take credit for it, but here is Bisping's career arc:

Beat 3 or 4 mid-level fighters, then lose against tough competition.

How did Bisping do so much better than Anderson? I don’t get it.

Chael looked like he was out of it before he threw his first punch.

I think he had a bad weight cut, he didn’t look nearly as faded going up against Marquardt, Silva, and Stann. There were times where Chael looked confused trying to maintain his stance after throwing a shot.

Also he said he got hit so hard he didn’t know where he was. I thought it looked like Bisping was connecting well at the beginning, and apparently it worked.

It’s hard to believe he got hurt that bad from the shots thrown by Bisping, I know that he’s a better striker than most in the division, but it still baffles me. Oh well, Bisping should have won that fight 2 rounds to 1, biased judging may have screwed the brit.

But Luke Rockhold would punish Bisping, right Forrest? Worldbeater, that Rockhold.

Tim Kennedy
Kennedy's Lats vs. Davis' Lats

Go!

Nah.. Bisping beats Rockhold

Nah.. Bisping beats RockholdThat would be 3 or 5 rounds of ineffective kickboxing though.

Wait Wait. Why would they fight in Brazil? Brazil PPVs don’t sell at all.

He might have elbowed him with elbows.
Demian Maia = Jorge Gurgel now
I made the same comment yesterday

Didn’t you say he was a rich man’s Jorge Gurgel? He’s just Jorge Gurgel now…

It's pretty much over for Maia now

Maia looked pretty damn awful. It seems like any good wrestler with some shred of standup training is beating him lately.

Jim Ross is always right.
JRsBBQ Jim Ross
I’m watching Fuel network for 1st time in my life. Post game UFC show is brutal. Essentially Void of production values/needed elements.
pretty much

ill stick to be radio and sherdog for actual post fight talk

Three months? Dude throws one punch over and over

FORREST LYNN GOT THIS.
So Maia's Cage IQ is about 43?
Did you guys discuss the Sonnen/Bisping score?

Most people on the live thread had Bisping winning. I didn’t see how but people were pretty fucking amped that it was a bad decision.

We only touched on the 30-27

Since we all believed that Sonnen won.

Maia is stagnant, he needs to throw everything away and start over at a new camp.

Turns out getting knocked out makes you less afraid of it

Didn’t Maia just do decent against Munoz? This was his first truly horrible fight

I seem to remember him getting taken down alot in the last two rounds

standup was bad technically, but munoz after 1st round prob better

Bisping/Maia in ATL

Headlining the Fuel card before the real fights

Ever been in a camp Forrest?

It aint that easy

All this talk about Maia makes it kinda funny that AS was so scared to go to the ground with him back then.

Maia’s BJJ is simply not all that great when adapted to MMA, just like Phil Davis’ wrestling leaves a lot to be desired in MMA.

I think you need to give Weidman one or two more fights against mid-tier. Like him vs. Mayhem Miller and one more fight on that level. Then you start giving him guys like Okami and Bisping.

What about Almeida JJ

Nik Lentz’s striking looked like it was underwater compared to Dunham. He was getting lit up on the way in trying to clinch with Dunham, but Goldie and Joe seemed to ignore that.

Nate Diaz shows up to the gym in the 2nd episode with a 40 in his hand…that’s nice

I think you guys made everyone leave

“Nick Diaz doesn’t like the pretentiousness of the media”

Neil, don’t make fun of Nick Diaz.. that’s not funny

It's NOT funny.

But I went to school for it, so it’s all I’ve got..

It was funny that no one got what he was saying
I once saw the haruhi suzumiya dance being done by some guy in a K-1 fight during his entrance

Nothing stranger

Nik Lentz quit the fight.

Every fighter knows that telling a doctor you can’t see is an instant stoppage.

Yeah, if the UFC hates you, they won’t keep giving you a job. They’ll just…fire you from your job. Yeah…

I'm hearing Dunham is getting a big step up

Maynard is on his horizon

Training partner of his.

Evan would fight him but that’ just a note.

Nah, Maynard isn’t with Xtreme Couture anymore supposedly.

Don't know about that. But they have spent a lot of time working together.

They know each other’s game is my point.

He's been saying pettis/lauzon winner

Forrest has the tastes of a hipster high schooler in everything. No worries.

Mike Russow is not a winner.

He’s a Chicago cop. That’s the opposite of winning.

Would Russow beat Lesnar?

Russow would have no business fighting Lesnar. That said he just wins. He shouldn’t but he does. Russow by UD.

Yeah

That heavyweight fight was Fat Guys Getting Tired, for sure.

If you are the best guy in training and Forrest Lynn has seen you…

Wilson Gouveia vs Brandon Vera would be the best gym sparring ever.
Matt Roth, really good at pretend MMA journalism.

Ok, I’m tapping out. Neil, you did good hosting! Bye y’all

Ghita knocked out Hesdy badly.

Spong beat Manhoef
Hari beat Saki

Ghita knocked out Gerges BAD. And Badr Hari hit three knockdowns on Saki. Pretty much owning him.

Neil must know something about Hesdy Gerges’ drug trafficking with that talk…

Me?

I don’t know anything about drugs. Just check my record.

I’ll just go get my Anonymous pals…

I'm already working on it - Link coming shortly
The Hesdy situation came from a seizure in Belgium that involved some people he knew.

I would never claim to know for sure who is clean and who isn’t, but there is definitely a significant amount of shit that goes on around kickboxers in Europe. The Dutch don’t have shit on Vitali Akhramenko though.

Why was I high on Roop?

He must have done something recently that made me like him. I mean I thought he was the real deal and forgot about TUF.

like every fight with roop im like yea he could move around kick things maybe go thedistance or someone will just get in close and smack him with a right and he is lights out

I remember him looking good on the ground too.

I may have made that up in my mind

Jens Pulver couldn’t tap Kyle Maynard if you tied both of his arms behind his back.

He isn't banned from BE Radio too?
Shhh...
Just playing!

Everybody knows that… I hope.

I never got the memo

And until I do, #FreeMikeFagan

I still want to know if he's related to the Mike Fagan who used to break into Buckingham Palace back in the day.

Also, Matt Roth, for bonus points. What wrestling superstar did Chael Sonnen steal his post-fight promo from?

I missed the post-fight interview

But if it wasn’t Dusty Rhodes’ “Hard Times” promo then I don’t care.

HARD TIMES DADDY!

DUTHY RHODESSS!

Any fight should have a warning:MAY CONTAIN WRESTLING
I'm watching Tin Cup

Underrated movie

The Jones haters just hating

Imagine yourself in his shoes in FOX

If I know I'm going to be on national TV, I prepare

Everyone needs notes, but looking down awkwardly at them so frequently wasn’t so good.

They asked him to it

You can’t even get control of the show you are hosting. Imagine 7 million people paying attention.

I get paid $0 to do this for this audience, and prepare accordingly

When I get paid to go on national TV for a national TV audience, I prepare. It’s not hard to imagine the difference.

I called up to blast you

but you guys don’t even have the phones covered. Take on 7 million viewers and be as awesome as always.

Call in to Fox and see how that works out for you

Sorry I prioritize people in the know over a random caller.

Yeah I hear all the callers in front of me

My bad. You guys are booked.

You were on for a minute before Bishop hit the line

And I chose him. Did you call in when nobody else was on? No. Maybe you could try calling in on Tuesday or Thursday this week a whine about it. Here’s a hint: don’t call in when they’re interviewing someone, or you’ll get bumped for them too.

LOL you mad bro

I just called in and there was no answer. Not sure what you are talking about. See how shook you are and this is in front of 10 listeners. Imagine what Jones was going through before you bash him.

You called in and there was no answer?

Fool, when you call in, you hear the show. If you’re that butt-hurt about not being picked up, maybe you should try calling in to an FM show and see how fast they are to pick you up. It might help if you wait more than three or four minutes, since we didn’t have anyone working the phones tonight to screen calls.

You comparing someone doing a free podcast on their own time while multitasking to a guy who is getting paid to show up and promote a fight and talk to TWO dudes shows how ignorant you are. I expect him to be nervous. I expect him to have notes. I don’t expect him to be constantly looking all the way down at his notes when he’s in the shot.

Better luck next time you call in

Are fight fans from Chicago really that ignorant?

They are not the best
Bisping Decision was bad but no one cares.
My dog got screwed!

Shouldve been 29-28 sonnen,

If Johnny Ace gets written off TV, I’m gonna be pissed. Thoughts?

lol all mma fighters suck, shut down BE
Let Matt Bishop continue.

He’s madder than hell.

You can tell because he is saying mildly inappropriate things on-air.

There is tangible evidence that Forrest Lynn doesn’t know about a damn thing.

FORREST LYNN GOT THIS.
Thanks for listening everybody!

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