UFC on FOX 2 Poster by Anton Tabuena
Rashad Evans proved that he was just too advanced for Phil Davis in tonight's UFC on Fox 2 main event. In a fight that represented significant risk to Evans in the eyes of most observers, Rashad was able to dominate every round in an interesting stylistic match-up.
It may not have been the most exciting bout in the world (more on that in a moment) but seeing Evans win every phase of the fight (wrestling, striking, grappling) while not seeming to gas too horribly was a good sign and should set up the Jon Jones fight quite well.
The unfortunate thing about the Fox effort is that it was seen by many as being somewhat of a failure again. There were many tweets during the main event that fans were leaving the building, the opening fight was a horrible bout and while Michael Bisping and Chael Sonnen put on a good fight some saw it as a controversial decision and it did involve a lot of clinching against the cage.
I'm deeply interested in seeing the ratings breakdown for the event to see when people were tuning in and tuning out to get a better idea of the mass appeal of the event. But we do know that we've still yet to see that huge moment where the sport totally shines on Fox.
- What I found interesting about Evans vs. Davis was seeing how having a bigger reach doesn't mean you have an advantage. Davis doesn't quite understand the dynamics of spacing and utilizing his reach, this led to him coming up short on his punches much more often than Rashad. Evans was able to just move in enough to get his punches off and out just enough to prevent Davis from landing. It was much less "flashy" on the in and out than his usual work but was arguably much more effective.
- I just hope that this wasn't a case where Davis was pushed a little too far too soon and is broken going forward. He kept fighting to win which is a good thing but (to over-analyze body language) he looked like he was breaking in the third round.
- I scored the Michael Bisping vs. Chael Sonnen fight for Bisping but I'm not upset that Sonnen got the decision. I thought Bisping controlled the fight a bit more but Sonnen did enough to earn at least two rounds depending on what you focus on.
- The best part of the fight may be that it was fairly entertaining and both guys looked good. So you don't come out of a national broadcast with either guy having their stock fall. Bisping is a star, even if people don't like him and he'll take no damage off of this and Sonnen is now going to get his rematch against Anderson Silva.
- The fight did play out much as I expected. While people expected Sonnen to run through him, Bisping's skills were perfect for the game that Sonnen brings to the table. Well, obviously not perfect but very good. Maybe some day people will stop underrating Bisping.
- Sonnen's mic work is getting worse though. It's so much more rehearsed and so much less crazy and seeming off-the-cuff. It's just less interesting than it was around the first Silva fight.
- Demian Maia looked absolutely horrible and I think that Bisping would have hurt him badly if the Mark Munoz injury didn't cause the shuffling on the card.
- While Maia's fight with Chris Weidman was not exactly exciting or anything resembling a good fight, Weidman deserves a lot of credit for taking a dangerous fight on late notice. He had to cut a lot of weight and go in without having time to craft and train a full gameplan and got the win. He deserves a lot of respect for that.
Much more after the jump including thoughts on the Fox production...
SBN coverage of UFC on Fox 2
- My biggest gripe with the Fox production was far too many times where they were showing the action from directly behind one fighter (Punchout! style). It makes it very hard to see what is landing and what isn't and, while looking neat, is a very inefficient angle for combat sports.
- Beyond that I thought the production was very sharp, polished and made everything look super professional.
- Jon Jones wasn't very good in his analyst role tonight, but damn am I excited to see him face Rashad finally.
- Evan Dunham was really punishing the new "exciting" version of Nik Lentz. I thought the fight was entertaining and don't hate Lentz like others, but abandoning his grinding style leads to him getting hit in the face a lot.
- Mike Russow rarely seems like the "better" fighter in the cage, but he keeps getting his hand raised, so you can't hate him too much for that. But Jon Olav Einemo is not a UFC caliber fighter at all. Two horribly disappointing performance in two trips to the cage.
- I may not like Cub Swanson's tattoos, but he was very solid in demolishing George Roop. Swanson got takedowns, wasn't nearly as wild as he has been in the past and the right hand that set up the finish was crushing.
- Charles Oliveira is going to be a real force at 145 pounds, I'm very interested to see what is next or him after the beautiful calf slicer.
- Michael Johnson was so much better than I remember ever seeing him for two rounds against Shane Roller but then almost fell into the "Michael Johnson trap" of finding a way to get himself beat in the third. He survived though and took the decision. I'm interested to see his next fight if he continues this level of growth.
- Lavar Johnson is a guy who I just never imagined in the UFC but holy crap...he just crushed Joey Beltran. Johnson was so much more composed than I ever thought he would be and his striking was so much more sound than I expected it to be. Putting Beltran to sleep is no small feat and if I'm going to watch a heavyweight brawler who throws hands I'd rather watch Johnson than Beltran.
Comparing the Compustrike stats to the FightMetric stats for Sonnen/Bisping is hilarious. It’s like Compustrike hired Otto Delaney to tally up the bout.
Tim Burke - January 28, 2012
Lavar Johnson is a beast but I don't really seeing him going the distance if that ever happens
Freakishly strong dude…
daftshadow - January 29, 2012
Rashad looked awesome
Definitely brought the right gameplan for Davis, but kind of surprised he didn’t pounce and finish when he had the chance.
menckenstein - January 28, 2012
"Maybe some day people will stop underrating Bisping."
And maybe some day man will walk on Pluto.
YPG - January 28, 2012
How? They didn't even get on the Moon. ;)
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
menckenstein - January 28, 2012
WAR BUZZ
IRodC - January 28, 2012
Going OVER THE TOP with the right hand is Buzz Aldrin!
Tedd Welch - January 28, 2012
That guy had it coming.
OmoPlata - January 29, 2012
Compustrike would still mess this one up
RicketyCricket - January 29, 2012
Man will walk on pluto one day,It will probably take who knows 2,000+ years from now but they will, maybe then Bispin’s career will get alittle respect ?
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
Underated as Bisping is, the better man came out on top.
Joshua Thomas - January 28, 2012
if weidman could strike better he would of ko'd maia
THEFILMGUY - January 28, 2012
Im surprised people were leaving the arena, if true. I found the semi and main events very entertaining with the semi being the better fight as far as casual fans are concerned. I cant believe people couldnt appreciate Evans’ domination of Davis.
Ricardo Arguello - January 28, 2012
None of the fights were particularly exciting
But as a fan of MMA, it was interesting to study Rashad just outclassing Davis with both wrestling and striking.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
no none of the fights were, it was quite Obvious after the 2nd round themain event fight was going to a decision to me atleast, Rashad I thought had small window in the 4th and 5th for a finish but he did not go balls to the wall to get it. actually the more I think about it every fight on fox is was written on the wall after the 1st round all would be decisions and lack luster ones at that
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
I sympathize with Phil
I am having trouble using my length. I have a great jab, but my cross keeps getting countered. And I have way more of a reach than my opponents. Granted, this is in super-light sparring for rookies, but still.
Also…of course you scored it for Bisping.
Farthammer - January 28, 2012
Make sure you fully extend your arm,
and if you’re a lanky guy, it’s doubly important to bend at the knees and really sit down on your punches. Make sure that when you throw your punches, you snap them out and retrieve them ASAP.
ElliotMatheny - January 28, 2012
I thought the 30-27 was horrendous at first, but after looking at fightmetric it really wasn’t as bad as I thought. It’s a shame that score will overshadow the whole fight, because it was a pretty good fight.
Phildo - January 28, 2012
I can buy that also. Even the 2nd round which most thoguht Bisping Won hands down was a close round
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
Fightmetric only provides the raw data, though.
And their “significant strikes” metric include things like simple jabs landed at range. To me, it was clear that Bisping landed the harder, cleaner shots in the first 2 rounds. But that’s why you have to actually watch the fight. I’m not surprised that Sonnen landed with more volume, but Bisping landed with more authority and precision.
ElliotMatheny - January 28, 2012
Really?
The most significant strike of the fight was an overhand right landed by Sonnen. Sonnen and Bisping were about even on the feet most of the time.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
You have to be kidding me.
Bisping was landing the much better punches standing. And in the clinch, neither of them landed many good shots to be honest.
ElliotMatheny - January 28, 2012
Sonnen's headbuts were landing well
T.P. Grant - January 29, 2012
i also noticed this
he was super dirty
Cunny - January 29, 2012
That was really weird the way he was moving his head all around. you think he was purposely trying to headbutt Bisping? I wouldn’t put it past him, especially after hearing Munoz tell about when they wrestled.
OmoPlata - January 29, 2012
I think he was
there’s no reason for that
doubt he came into the fight with a stiff neck
chael clearly has no qualms about cheating to get ahead
Cunny - January 29, 2012
We must have been watching different fight
Bisping was moving back most of the time and shortening up his punches, not really landing anything flush.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
He was busting Chael up everytime he had any space.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Only when he was moving forward
Which wasn’t often.
But let’s be honest, Sonnen could have lit him up and you still would have thought Bisping would have won. Your hate for Sonnen is astronomical.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
um no
bisping did his thing in that fight and beat chael 2 to 1 your just one of the sad chael sonnen fans who has to tell them selves all the time thats he’s just joshin’ and he’s a AMAZING WRESTLER with AMAZING BOXING like really and he won that fight in great fashion too huh? riiiiiiiight and im a black man that exactly supported herman cain
Mac Marley - January 29, 2012
I'm not even a Chael Sonnen fan
Just not delusional either.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
I really don't hate Sonnen,
In fact, I like him as a fighter. I didn’t enjoy his performance last night, but I’ve watched Sonnen ever since his first fight with Filho. I’ve trained at what is basically Team Quest’s sister school (XC), and talked to people who have trained Chael and trained with him. I’ve briefly met the guy at XC before.
Real talk- Chael is a very talented guy. But he doesn’t have the mind or heart of a champion. From all his fights, from all of the bits of info i’ve gleaned from men who are intimately familiar with Chael Sonnen’s professional work, he isn’t a champion. Can people change? Sure.. but it will be very hard for Chael. His problems are deep seeded, whereas Anderson is a true Champion; he won’t be broken, he’s too smart. Too resolute. Too GOOD.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Not buying it
I’ve heard a lot of the “Chael quits”, “Chael beats himself”-stuff. But the guy pushes himself into a grueling pace with Anderson Silva for 20+ minutes, never gives up against Bisping although he had to expect he was behind 2 rounds going into the third…I don’t see how he’s not champioship-material. Is A. Silva maybe just too good for him as he was for every other contender in the last 6 yrs? Sure, maybe, yeah. We’ll see. But just because the MW-Champ is a demi-god doesn’t mean Sonnen would not already have had the belt if he wasn’t there.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
chael himself said he quits and beats himself
but the anderson fight said a lot, i think he could win the title
but i hope he doesnt, i love silva
Cunny - January 29, 2012
Fighters say all sorts of shit
Especially Chael ;) And look at how mental BJ is. He still ruled LW with an iron fist for some time.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
Sonnen
Almost Leonard Garcia’d Bisping, except his punches actually landed with some frequency.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
It's bizarre, because Sonnen's boxing was wild and awful looking
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
I couldn't figure it out
He came in winging those punches, and I figured they’d miss by a mile, but somehow they connected.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
Bisping is easy to hit
Gets clipped in every fight even when he wins
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
True
His offensive output obscures that a bit.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
yes he does always get hit in fights. Thats why no matter the level of opponent its always going to be dangerous for him against any fighter who has good to great power.
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
I’d have a hard time confidently picking him over anybody currently in the top 5 except for Okami. Anderson would clown him, Vitor would probably knock him out, and Munoz has enough power to put a hurting on him (though he might be able to outbox him).
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
Even though I thought Chael would take a 29-28 decision, I also thought Bisping landed the harder shots in the 1st 2 rounds.
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
but like I said I have no gripe if that fight went 29-28 Chael or Bisping or hell even a draw would be fine in my eyes, all 3 of those scores would run over smooth with me
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
that can be clear to you all you want. I’m not saying 30-27 is a good score, I’m saying it’s not the aberration everyone is saying it is.
I don’t score the fights because it’s boring to me. I thought the first 2 rounds were closed. When I heard 30-27 I was shocked that a judge didn’t give Bisping one of them. Fightmetric isn’t the end all be all, but they do a pretty good job of recording what actually happened during the round. It doesn’t matter if you agree with their definition of significant strikes, but the raw data (from both sites) show that the fight was close. Close fights can go either way, this shouldn’t be shocking to people.
Phildo - January 29, 2012
I'm done with Demian Maia. He is 34, refusing to use his Jiu-Jitsu or offensive grappling
His days as a contender are over and frankly I think I can scrap Maia vs. Shields because it would be the worst fight of all-time.
This was worse than Strikeforce: Nashville, there wasn’t a single threat of a finish in any of these fights, although Sonnen vs. Bisping was entertaining in my book.
Davis’ striking is awful. Kudos to him for not getting TKO’d because Evans had him rocked. Phil is also quite strong. Jones will still kill Evans though.
It’s karma for Dana White, I guess. This is probably one of the worst weeks for the UFC in their history.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
I'm done with Maia too. He looked horrible
sun yue - January 28, 2012
maia is just not a good mma fighter
THEFILMGUY - January 28, 2012
You don’t get into the top ten by not being good. He’s not, not great. And he seems to be regressing.
Simen - January 28, 2012
HAHA
Body Triangle - January 29, 2012
any more
Cunny - January 29, 2012
Maia would be good if he actually used his improved standup skills to setup his takedowns and bjj instead of totally abandoning them and thinking that he’s some striking monster that will ko people. His coaches and game planners are to blame too. He did nothing in there, but paw with his right hand and throw straight lefts. He’s one of the most gifted bjj fighter in the division, but for some weird reason, he’d rather fight a below average striker.
chadpitt74 - January 28, 2012
edit: "he'd rather fight LIKE a below average striker"
chadpitt74 - January 28, 2012
Shields/Maia is something I can get behind.
I love terrible, sloppy kickboxing between two guys who have no idea how to throw a jab!
Ricardo Arguello - January 28, 2012
No it wasn’t.
MicahtheCynic - January 28, 2012
Hendo nearly decapitated Shields in the 1st round
Rest of the fight wasn’t good but there was some excitement.
Maia vs. Weidman was awful and that’s 99% on Maia. Evans vs. Davis was unremarkable. It wasn’t a poor fight but it was not exciting at all.
There was no drama on this FOX show beyond Sonnen vs. Bisping.
Oh well, you can’t please everyone. I thought a 61 second KO in their debut was awesome for the UFC.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
I don’t know maybe Weidmann was hyped alittle more then he should of been. Full camp or not I think he even lost some luster tonight as well
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
11 days notice is really difficult
Especially since he weighed 233 at the time he took the fight.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
I know I know,I just think its almost impossible no matter what he had to go threw before the fight not to loose luster and hype after that performance, That being said Maia looked 10x worse. I just knew that fight would end up as a sloppy kickboxing match, they always do when to good grapplers fight
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
I thought
It’d be a lot like Jacare-Rockhold – fast paced, lots of transitions and scrambles, sub attempts – but I didn’t count on both guys gassing that badly.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
I hoped it would be,but I could not stop thinking about how Maia has just faded in all his recent fights in the mid 2nd round. He looks to just hit a wall and when he hits it a good 80% of his energy is zapped all at ounce, its not a slow paced gassing at all, when Maia gets tired it shows fast
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
Dude stop whining.
I stopped reading at worse than Nashville.
Crazynutts - January 28, 2012
I still love Maia for giving us the J-Mac fight.
But I agree with everything else, to a letter.
T.C. Engel - January 28, 2012
It's not a matter of "refusing" to utilize his grappling.
Weidman is a very strong grappler himself, and much better at securing and defending takedowns (wrestling).
ElliotMatheny - January 28, 2012
in my opinion Maia hasn't been the same since he got KTFO by Nate
and his record shows it, he’s gone to a decision in every fight since then.
darkotto23 - January 29, 2012
I did not even think about that,but you could very well be onto something ? All I know is he looks to just fade so so quick at about the 1:30 mark of the 2nd round. And like I said its not a gradual deterioration eather its dam quick. His punches after have nothing what so ever one them and his takedowns could be stoped but a junior high wrestler ounce he gasses like that. He has just overall looked exspet for 2 rounds in that Munoz fight sense that Nate KO.
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
looked horrible
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
Maia didn't really change.
Sure, he improved his striking, but the really big change was his constantly tough opposition. And the overall grappling in MMA catching up to Maia’s game.
Maia has pretty much EXCLUSIVELY fought BJJ black belts and strong, well rounded wrestlers since he destroyed Chael. It’s not a coincidence that he’s gone to more decisions. Also, Maia is getting up there in age and (more importantly) mileage. 10 years of excellence is about all you can hope for in this game, and after that, your athletic abilities deteriorate.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Welcome to the club for Maia. I’ve been saying this for 3-4 fights now.
Shnak - January 29, 2012
Was Chael trying to grind his nose/chin into Bisping's eyes in the clinch?
Definitely the weirdest head movement I’ve seen from there.
menckenstein - January 28, 2012
i def remember him using his head in a suspect way
but i think that was on the ground
Cunny - January 28, 2012
Thougt I saw a headbutt at some point.
Sweet Scientist - January 28, 2012
a few times i think
Cunny - January 29, 2012
After seeing this fight
Bisping is definately Top 4-5 in MW rankings.
Davis was “slipping” alot, no idea why, he was doing alot of lateral movements I guess?
Davis also looked hopeless on his back at first, but he did get out of two crucifixes, those big shoulders of his are useful after all.
Jon Jones should never commentate, he makes everything about him and is like a child that wants to show you what he can do constantly.
Did Damian Maia forget he knows great BJJ?
JOE should be released, he is embarassingly bad even for a heavyweight. Mike Russow needs a step up in competition.
elmojo - January 28, 2012
i would even consider Bisping Top 3
he had a great performance, those score cards were ridiculous
elmojo - January 28, 2012
I thought it was a clear 29-28
Bisping didn’t do much in the first and third rounds at all.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
this
Snake_Pliskan - January 28, 2012
I think Bisping is good
But who has he beat to be top3?
Farthammer - January 28, 2012
I have to eat a bit of crow here
He has become a fantastic defensive fighter. That said, he still doesn’t have the offensive to threaten for a title.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
You're really overstating that
I think Chael, Munoz, and Okami are closer to #1 than him, and I think Belched and Weidman could give him a run for his money.
halitosis - January 28, 2012 via mobile
Forgot Belfort
halitosis - January 28, 2012 via mobile
I actually think Bisping beats Belcher and Weidman. And I would favor Okami & Munoz over Him but they are fights I would like to see and would give Bisping a solid Chance of getting the W.
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
How can you be a top five MW
If you’ve never beaten an elite opponent?
That said defensively he looked much better. He didn’t look shook, unlike the Henderson and Wandy fights.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Seems to me that he’s getting the Vitor Belfort treatment. Slowly climbing the rankings with no elite wins. He has wins over the current #16 and #23, while he sits at #7. Quite odd. I would like to see him tested against guys in the lower end of the top 15.
Baby Wads - January 28, 2012
correct assessment and the way I feel also? No Bisping has not beaten that one huge high ranked opponent Yet, but the man is beating a hell of alot of solid good qulaity MW’s and thats what is climbing him up in the rankings to being a top 5 to 6 MW in my eyes
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
And on that note
How about Vitor-Bisping?
jason18 - January 28, 2012
Vitor early Bisping Decision
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
I agree mostly. He’s done very well against C and B level fighters, as well as holds his own with A level fighters. Just I guess I would like to see him fight more often against the elite, and spend less time beating up guys like Rivera and Dan Miller.
Baby Wads - January 28, 2012
I could not agree more,From this point on I want to see Bisping vs more names like Okami,Munoz,Palhares,Belfort,Belcher,etc and a hell of alot less B and C opponents. Unless he needs a bounce back W then I can putting him in there with the likes of Aaron Simpson, C.B Dollaway,Tom Lawlor,etc
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
he held his own against the top contender
Whats your top 5 without bisping?
Mine is:
1. Anderson
2. Chael
3. Vitor
4. Bisping
5. Munoz
Vitor is most likely going to drop since he’s going to waste a year filming TUF and fighting Wandy
elmojo - January 28, 2012
I'd put Munoz and Okami ahead of him.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Yeah you just got to, there resume at this point especially Okami’s in better then Bisping, I do think Munoz is higher ranked but I would be open to a argument as to why Bisping should be ahead of him, its close when Ranking those 2 Bisping/Munoz in my eyes, they are neck and neck in the MW rankings
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
in > is
Shocbomb - January 28, 2012
Okami and Munoz over Bisping
av1o3 - January 28, 2012
i like okami
but i thought bisping did much better against sonnen and was impressed somewhat with his tdd
MegaReem - January 28, 2012
Bisping looked way better than Okami did against Sonnen,
but I don’t think it’s fair to rank them off of one fight.
sun yue - January 28, 2012
no its not at all you are correct,its just hard not to do sometimes
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
imo
1. Silva
2. Chael
3. Vitor
4. Luke Rockhold
5. Munoz
6. Okami
7. Marquardt
8. Bisping
Bisping can beat the 2nd tier fighters no problem. But he still hasn’t defeated anyone who is in the top ten.
I see Bisping taking on the loser of Okami/Botesch or Maia.
djfivenine - January 28, 2012
The u.s. needs more chants...or more adhd pills...or something
The booing every match really got to me this time I’m a pretty calm person, but it really started getting on my nerves, had to turn the volume off,
In Rainbows - January 28, 2012
i don't know why people though the bisping sonnen fight was good
over half the fight was them just clinching against the cage, the striking exchanges were sloppy and neither fighter was able to land anything significant, and sonnen wasn’t able to do anything once to took bisping down….
so…
unless you disagree with the above what made that fight any good?
C.A.M. - January 28, 2012
Nik Lentz's Eye
Scott C. Broussard - January 28, 2012
You mean “eyes”?
dancingChicken - January 29, 2012
Mouthpiece, Eject!!!
Scott C. Broussard - January 28, 2012
it woulda been boss if Cub caught it on the rebound.
Ricardo Arguello - January 28, 2012
Knowing him, it would have put his eye out.
Scott C. Broussard - January 28, 2012
please gif me the lavar johnson ko
THEFILMGUY - January 28, 2012
I will direct you to my source, the Master of MMA Gifs:
http://ironforgesiron.com/2012/01/ufc-on-fox-2-evans-vs-davis-teh-gifs/
Scott C. Broussard - January 28, 2012
All hail the Zombie Prophet!
We’re not worthy, we’re not worthy
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Thanks to Jack Slack
I now know that that is called a Cross-Counter.
BradyB - January 28, 2012
IMO that should have been KOTN, althou im sure Dana gave Cub a nice bonus anyways
darkotto23 - January 29, 2012
Aldo made me forget what an utter badass Cub Swanson is.
Holls Hoyce - January 29, 2012
yea pretty much that shit haunts me still
Mac Marley - January 29, 2012
the fuel tv card was amazing
cub swanson’s right hand crashing into roop’s face, sending the mouth guard flying… couldn’t ask for a more awesome finish!
Pyrgz Krum - January 28, 2012
Diaz vs. Miller on UFC on FOX 3 can't fail
Basically this card had high-fail potential from the start.
Sonnen has one UFC finish, Bisping has no submissions, Davis is still raw, Evans has not finished anyone relevant since Forrest Griffin, Weidman had 11 days notice, and new Demian Maia would lose to every single top 15 MW.
Simply put, high-profile fighters with a lack of big finishes on their resume in recent times.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
They should just put high level lightweights against each other on each Fox card
Ninety percent of their fights are going to be awesome and they can build new stars.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
And since they have done jackshit to promote their lighter weight classes
You’d get 1.5 million watching on average no matter how awesome the fights are.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
People are going to watch on Fox anyway
They aren’t going to put any big stars on Fox anyway. I doubt the casual audience has any real name recognition with a lot of fighters yet. Putting on exciting content and developing a reputation for exciting content will do more for ratings long term than just putting guys with names on television.
A lot of people are watching because it’s UFC on Fox, not because Rashad Evans was fighting.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
This is definitely something they need to consider.
Obviously not all fights are barn burners, but whatever stars you want to headline these cards, should be backed with lighter weight fighters. The “new Fox fan” doesn’t know who too many guys are anyway, and the action is more uniformly good.
Kwisatz Haderach - January 29, 2012
You don't understand
Sonnen caught Silva. He now has the best striking in MMA. EVER.
Farthammer - January 28, 2012
Sonnen's striking is amazing
He stumbled Silva and then didn’t lay a meaningful paw on him standing the remainder of the fight.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
Yeah but bra
He is hilarious, bra.
Farthammer - January 28, 2012
Seriously and the dude has some powerful ground and pound
As evidenced by his zero TKOs since George W. Bush was in office.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
The worst kind of hater
I’ve noted all the guys you said should get kick out of the UFC tonight. I can’t wait till the next time the winners fight because you will be saying “the last guy he beat isn’t even in the UFC”
I think I hate you.
Joben - January 29, 2012
I think you are drunk
Farthammer - January 29, 2012
Yup and I'm getting out now
before I get banned. I’m usually a fun drunk but tonight I’m picking internet fights for no reason. Not sure why.
Joben - January 29, 2012
because you love men who have non functioning balls
Mac Marley - January 29, 2012
Anyone else upset about Rashad vs. Jones at 145?
This means Henderson has to either wait till late summer to fight Jones or take a fight and risk losing. If that’s the case, than the UFC is out a contender in an already thinning out LHW division.
kreally - January 28, 2012
We killed Rashad for not taking another fight, but for Hendo it’s okay?
Make Hendo fight someone decent. If he loses, he obviously didn’t deserve the shot anyway.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
You're fucking kidding, right?
Rua isn’t decent? A former light heavyweight champion who ended Machidas undefeated streak with a vicious KO isn’t decent?
kreally - January 28, 2012
Just comparing Evans' recent work to Hendo's
Evans has clearly done more to warrant a title shot.
sun yue - January 28, 2012
I guess. I just re-checked.
April 21 isn’t that fast of a turnaround for Rashad. I wish they could’ve coached the ultimate fighter though. That would’ve been fucking insane.
kreally - January 28, 2012
Jones is a coachee, not a coach. He doesn't have the maturity for it, sad to say.
Give it a couple more years.
Unabomberman - January 28, 2012
I said make Hendo fight someone decent in the meantime, not he hasn't fought anyone decent
And anyone with half a brain knew that fight was a draw. He was straight up worked in that final round.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
I gave round 4 to Henderson and round 5 to Shogun 10-8
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
What?
I need to rewatch that fight, because I you’re the first person I know to give Hendo the fourth.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
*and I generally think you know your shit*
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
It's closer than people think
Hendo I thought controlled the first 3 minutes or so until he got rocked, but he only got mounted for like 5 seconds and reversed position.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
I'll take your word for it.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
I can totally see Shogun winning the 4th
I just thought it wasn’t as clear-cut.
I did give a 10-8 in the 5th though. As any human being with a brain should.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
I'm still not sure if that fight should be classified as amazing, pitiful or a combination of both
sun yue - January 28, 2012
Both
I thought Shogun came off looking a lot better. He took a beating and then came with the ill comeback.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Still, a win is a win. And from I remember, the winner of that fight was supposed to be the #1 contender.
kreally - January 28, 2012
No
It wasn’t.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
It was a legends circuit fight
that pushed Hendo to the top of the division because it was entertaining.
sun yue - January 28, 2012
Nah, because Dan has had a lot of title shots
He’s got no right to complain at this point.
menckenstein - January 28, 2012
I just hope he doesn't lose his next fight if he does fight before his shot.
If that happens, all they have left is Gustaffson. If Gustaffson loses to Lil’ Nog…. well…. fuck.
kreally - January 28, 2012
How many points did you get?
halitosis - January 28, 2012 via mobile
34 for me :(
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
Haha. 43.
I’ll be eating crow in the Recap. Don’t you worry.
kreally - January 28, 2012
Jones might have a little trouble
Rashard’s striking (I think) is better than Jone’s and if he fights like he did tonight, shrugging off Jones takedowns shouldnt be too hard
Full Mount - January 28, 2012
Jones' MMA wrestling is streets ahead of Davis' wrestling
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
They're also very different
Jones is a beast in the clinch, Davis is a bit more of a single double type of guy.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Not to mention their pace. Davis is considerably more methodical, and a chain wrestler. Jones is an explosive, high-risk type guy.
MicahtheCynic - January 28, 2012
Bones also fights smarter
And has a better submission game
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
Ya'll are all right
luckily they’re actually going to fight this time so we’ll get to see for sure
Full Mount - January 28, 2012
I don't know
Davis has a pretty mean submission game. It seems to come to him naturally.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
He does
But Jones subbed Machida and Rampage, which is obviously better than Gustafsson and Boetsch.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
True
But Jones did it after rocking Machida and making Rampage quit. It’s far more impressive from an MMA standpoint, but on pure technique stand point I would probably have to give it to Davis.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Matches to make
Jon Jones/Rashad Evans
Phil Davis/loser of Bader/Rampage
Silva/Sonnen, although I’d still rather see Palhares/Sonnen
Any combination of Bisping/Maia/Stann
Weidman/Palhares
Dunham/Volkmann
Lentz/Medical Suspension
Russow/Johnson
JOE/Cut
Swanson/Oliveira
Roop/Wisely
Johnson/Tavares
Roller/Cut
Beltran/Morecraft
Camozzi/Debuting Prospect
Jacoby/Cut
sun yue - January 28, 2012
Good stuff. My turn
Jones vs. Evans
Davis vs. Shogun
Silva vs. Sonnen
Bisping vs. Belcher
Weidman vs. Stann after he kills Sakara
Lentz vs. G-Sot
JOE CUT
Swanson vs. Oliveira
Roop vs. ??
Johnson vs. Edwards
Roller cut
Beltran vs. Morecraft
Camozzi vs. Don’t Care
Jacoby cut
Levar Johnson vs. Pat Barry
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
The Stann Sakara match up is ridiculous
I have no reason to think this fight will not end in a Brian Stann TKO/KO via punches.
elmojo - January 28, 2012
It's a squash match and I'm fine with it because Stann will get a KO
3 of Sakara’s 6 UFC wins have come against guys who have a total of 0 UFC wins. And everyone he’s beaten has been cut.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
Agreed
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Some pretty good stuff
You might actually be a pretty decent matchmaker.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Palhares/Sonnen
You’re on to something there, I really don’t think that Sonnen deserves a rematch after tonight’s performance and his shtick is kind of bordering on Volkmann territory. This main card left me disappointed.
Maclovio Williams - January 28, 2012
Sonnen sticks to kayfabe,
Volkmann is legitimately insane.
sun yue - January 28, 2012
In a terrifyingly low burn kind of way...
C’mon, I’m not the only one who sees this!
Unabomberman - January 28, 2012
Jones/Evans
Davis/Rua
Silva/Sonnen
Bisping vs. Okami/Boetsch loser
Maia/Stann
Weidman vs. Okami/Boetsch winner
Dunham/Cerrone (winner loser but whatevs)
Lentz/Stout
Russow vs. Kongo/Hunt winner
JOE cut
Swanson/Koch
Roop/Brookins
Oliviera/Brandao
Wisely cut
Johnson/Nurmagomedov
Roller cut
Beltran/Rothwell
Camozzi/Prater
Jacoby cut
halitosis - January 28, 2012 via mobile
Harsh to cut Wisely on one fight
And Rocha is fighting Brookins.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
I like being more active with cutting guys
There are quite frankly a lot of guys in the UFC that shouldn’t be.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
I can agree with that
Also, Wisely got ran through. If he had lost a narrow decision, he would be more worth keeping.
Baby Wads - January 29, 2012
No doubt about that
Roller is sub-UFC level and needs to be cut.
Just saying Wisely should get a 2nd shot against a lower level FW.
Camozzi is a MW, Prater is WW, so try again, btw!
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Spending sometime on mid level HD.NETish regional level shows would help Roller out alot. Lentz I hope does not get the boot but the man needs to move asap to 145.
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
I can see that, but drawing Oliveira on your debut is rough
sun yue - January 29, 2012
Not considering his 19-7 record.
The guy looked very average, and the featherweight division is pretty loaded right now.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
I'd rather see Guillard/Stout than Lentz/Stout
sun yue - January 29, 2012
Both are fights I've mentioned
But then I remembered that Stout isn’t that bad of a guy. I think Melvin would trash him, but him fighting Lentz may be okay.
That said, Stout/Guillard makes more sense.
halitosis - January 29, 2012
My girlfriend asked what I wanted for dinner around the time the Sonnen fight was on. I volunteered to cook.
So yeah. This event was that good. At least the panko and parmesan crusted halibut I made was delicious.
pud333 - January 28, 2012
Shit man that is a good dish. I love Panko.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
panko + kikkoman = golden tempura
DirtyML - January 29, 2012
Current fighters fighting at the top of their division should NOT be used as an analyst position
Use retired fighters or fighters like Bonnar who are known names but gatekeepers at best
Mjub - January 28, 2012
So what are your tips for Rashad
Don’t fight me.
DankNabbot - January 29, 2012
Randy was great.
Jones was terribad.
Andy Davis - January 29, 2012
Which is why keeping Randy doing that makes sense
but Jon Jones should not have even been considered for that position
Mjub - January 29, 2012
i supported it at first
it’s a good way to market their breakout star
but he sucked
started good but failed so hard after
Cunny - January 29, 2012
Glad to see Brent giving Lavar Johnson props for the Beltran win. Beltran went 3 rounds with Pat Barry, and went dancing afterwards. Johnson absolutely smashed him, and it was especially surprising seeing as only one staff member voted picked him.
Baby Wads - January 28, 2012
Anyone else thought Rogan was trying to dumb his commentary down a little for the casual?
In certain moments of the card he tried to explain the rules of what you can and can’t do, and did a better job than usual of explaining the grappling.
Mike Goldberg meanwhile thought Jon Jones and Rashad Evans were rematching.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
That's just Goldie doing Goldie, though.
Rogans’ commentary seemed okay to me. Loved the one liner in the first main card fight
dajulzta - January 28, 2012 via Android app
He was pretty honest
Except the Dunham/Lentz fight. That was a bullshit commentary.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
Fuel wasn't available to me at the time
so I can’t really say anything about that one.
dajulzta - January 28, 2012 via Android app
which one
i liked the one in the Bisping fight about his spinning kick being slow as molasses
Cunny - January 29, 2012
The Fox production
Dana White had said in numerous interviews that the production&format would be just like the numbered UFC events…it really wasn’t. There was still a lot more talking than usual and even tho all 3 Fox fights went the full rounds if they talked less they could have showed some of the quicker fights.
Jon Jones sucks as a commentator and his jokes blow. I don’t even know who the main host was and the very first voice over of the night the dude did was terrible which set a bad tone.
Randy is solid as he usually is in such situations.
Robust23 - January 28, 2012
I disagree with you completely
I think they did a great job on the production side. Jon Jones seemed a bit too relaxed up there(he was swerving around in his chair the whole time) but he wasn’t really any better or worse than Brock was. I did like how they set up all the fights so the casual type would “know” the fighters a bit. I do agree that they should have had a back-up plan where they’d show a quick finish if all of the fights kept going to decision.
All in all I think it, and Fuel, were very well done. Everything they had control of when great IMO.
HaterSlayer - January 28, 2012
I can't believe I'm saying this, but for Nik Lentz to stay in the UFC he needs to be boring
Because the exciting version of him was no head movement, awful striking defense, and a one-trick pony guillotine choke. And this is the 4th fight in a row where he’s gotten his ass kicked but he managed to win one of those fights at the 11th hour and got an NC.
Lentz needs to stick to lay-and-pray to win because he looks terrible without it.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
To be quite honest
He isn’t good enough to lay and pray guys at the highest level.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
That is probably what it is
I’m sure he’ll go super conservative next fight though.
HaterSlayer - January 28, 2012
He'll have to be
If he is going to take that MFC belt.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
He’ll be McKee 2.0
Baby Wads - January 29, 2012
This man knows whats up
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
Phil Davis is SLOW
He’ll never be elite because of that handicap. He’ll be up in the top-10, maybe top-5, but I can’t see him ever being the champ.
dribblebib - January 28, 2012
His shoulders are still too tight.
HaterSlayer - January 28, 2012
He’s not slow per se, he just has a god damn awful footwork. He moves like a baby giraffe one minute after it popped out of the womb.
dancingChicken - January 29, 2012
Yeah, his wrestling isn’t good enough to take down other great wrestlers (Rashad, Jones, Rampage), and I don’t see his striking ever becoming a threat.
Horselover Fat - January 29, 2012
at first I called ufc on fox production "sporty"
but really it was just more measured and less like a concert (PPV). theres to much talking between fights.
MaZZacare - January 28, 2012
I thought it was okay
dajulzta - January 28, 2012 via Android app
Not FOX, but this was the best gaffe of the night
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
It's a stat so nice, they wrote it twice!
Snatchl - January 28, 2012
Not a good event to capture new fans on FOX.. lot’s of “boring” wrestling and decisions
Horselover Fat - January 28, 2012
Bigger weight classes tend to put on uninteresting fights
Take away Belfort and Anderson Silva and MW is easily the most boring division in the UFC.
SSreporters - January 28, 2012
They should have put Jorge Rivera – Alessio Sakara on there
Horselover Fat - January 28, 2012
One of them would have got injured
And the fight would have been cancelled for the 1000th time.
YPG - January 29, 2012
Yeah, I was just joking anyway
Horselover Fat - January 29, 2012
Honestly. I would have given Bisping the fight 29-28.
But Bisping doesn’t ever deserve to be on the winning side of a close decision ever again. He used up that karma a long time ago.
djfivenine - January 28, 2012
Bullshit
That karma fixed itself when Rashad got the decision over him.
YPG - January 29, 2012
Oliveira's submission was just crazy!!!!!!!!!
cant wait to see him fighting top 10 FW’s
DK_Monster - January 28, 2012
best moment of the night!
T.P. Grant - January 28, 2012
yes it was
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
my god that was brutal
does that particular sub have a name?
Sean in Vancouver - January 29, 2012
Calf slicer.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
ouch
I vaguely remmeber learning a slicer of some kind when I was in BJJ, but I think I would remember if it was half as painful as that looked
Sean in Vancouver - January 29, 2012
Slicers are illegal in competitions for lower belts
as far as I remember. They hurt like fuck.
Farthammer - January 29, 2012
yes and it can also cause knee bar type damage if you don’t tap. they can do alot of damage to various parts of the leg, it all depends on what rips or snaps or pops out of place first
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
looking at the gif I think his knee would of blew/popped first ? luckey he taped, ounce a knee cap pops out of place/dislocates,9/10 its never the same again. It will pop out again over and over threw your life.
Shocbomb - January 29, 2012
I respect Bisping for accepting the fight with Sonnen even though if he declined and fought and would have won easily against Maia
which probably would’ve put Bisping next in line to fight for the title after Sonnen against whoever the replacement would have been for Munoz to fight Anderson.
daftshadow - January 28, 2012
Also
Just put the lightweights on Fox. Just do it.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
I'm PR
dajulzta - January 28, 2012 via Android app
dammit
I’m pretty sure you know about Diet Diaz and Mini Miller, right?
dajulzta - January 28, 2012 via Android app
Is that fight official?
If so, continue the trend.
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
...
That’s a very stupid statement. So you’re saying that even though Swanson had a very solid performance you almost didn’t want to give him credit because you don’t like his tattoos? What the hell do his tattoos have to do with his fighting skill?
0 for 2 with these Fox cards. The promos for Diaz vs Condit got me more excited than any of the Fox fights.
Benny Blanco from the BriX - January 28, 2012
A So-Cal tattoo is -10 to armor class.
MicahtheCynic - January 28, 2012
Wow, very sensitive
halitosis - January 28, 2012 via mobile
discoandherpes - January 28, 2012
Ha, I'm not really mad
I just thought that was a pretty dumb thing for him to say before he analyzes a fighter’s performance.
Benny Blanco from the BriX - January 29, 2012
Any excuse to imply someone is mad I’ll take, even if you actually aren’t.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
Don't feel bad.
I think some of the writers on here have a thing for Roop according to the play by play he won the first round I disagree. According to the play by play in the Hioki fight Roop dominated all 3 rounds. Hope of Roops nuts.
nickrodamous - January 29, 2012
I don’t remember the play by play being that skewed. I may be wrong, but I thought I remembered it suggesting Roop was edging him out. That’s also the way many people saw it happening, including myself.
Baby Wads - January 29, 2012
that guy is really ugly
DirtyML - January 29, 2012
You need to learn how to take a joke brah
HaterSlayer - January 29, 2012
The butthurt is strong with this mutherfuker
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
Carlito should have popped you when he had the chance
ZapRowsdower - January 29, 2012 via mobile
Somewhere, somehow, John Leguizamo is ashamed of you at this very moment.
Tim Burke - January 29, 2012
Can we just stop putting MMA cards in Chicago?
Not only are the crowds shit, but each card has put up a prominent fight that put people to sleep. Shields vs. Miller had people leaving, Silva vs. Cote was largely a joke, as was Maynard vs. Clementi, and Maia vs. Weidman tonight was bad and apparently people left during Evans vs. Davis.
That place is a curse.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Is it safe to say.
The UFC shit the bed on second fox show? I think it was a disaster starting with the 3 fights. Starting with the first fight Maia looked horrible I expected a lot more from him than that Weidman didn’t look much better but gets a pass due to short notice. The 2nd fight was a robbery in my eyes and looks pretty bad a crooked decision going to a crook like Sonnen if he really did tell Bisping after the fight that he thought Bisping won 2 rounds then you can’t really argue against that. Sure he had 2 takedowns but did absolutely nothing with them. The main event was lackluster and funny if people actually left the arena during it. Davis was just out gunned in ever facet of that fight and it went how everyone expected it to. Production was awful Jones was the worst but him Menefee and Couture that shit looked like a 3 stooges routine they all kept interrupting each other and Jones and Couture didn’t know who Menefee was talking to so he would throw it to Jones and then Couture and Jones would both jump in. Also they kept cutting to the black ice commercial then back to the broadcast then cut out again to the commercial idk could have just been my area. Fail for the UFC on there second trip to fox
nickrodamous - January 29, 2012
I think Fox wanted names on their cards
Which is foolish. Making people identify with UFC as exciting television is far more important.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
well the fox card was pretty terrible
hopefully they go miller-diaz, korean zombie-aldo and overeem-jds on the next one so its full of guarenteed awesomeness
milk72 - January 29, 2012
would they put the HW title on free TV twice in a row?
Sean in Vancouver - January 29, 2012
neither guy is a proven ppv draw
plus hw title brings nice ratings, if this card tanks in the ratings (dont think it will though) i’d almost expect them to do it
milk72 - January 29, 2012
fair enough
that would be a fun card
Sean in Vancouver - January 29, 2012
Aldo would do horrible things to Zombie
No two-title fight card
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Diaz vs. Miller, Mir vs. Cain, and JDS/Overeem maybe?
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
why not?
fw sells 225 ppvs and the hws arent proven
plus fuck it it’d be awesome
milk72 - January 29, 2012
I'd put Aldo vs. Whoever on the Silva vs. Sonnen show
Not doubting it’s not awesome, but it’s hard for them to get 2 title fights on free TV when they only have 2 hours.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
It doesn't have to be that dramatic.
Anything would be better than tonight. I want my 2 hours back maybe we just got spolied with 142 in Rio and how amazing that was and hell even last Friday on fx was better than tonight. I guess tonight was just a cruel reminder of how boring MMA can be *sigh
nickrodamous - January 29, 2012
yea aldo in brasil is a good idea
he’ll never be a star in the states but he has some real potential down there
but i wouldnt like mir vs cain as a co-main, would rather see some badass lighterweights on tv putting on guarenteed good fights. a fight like oliviera and erik koch would be fucking amazing but noone knows who those guys are
the ufc may need to strikeforce up these cards and start putting squash matches on tv so the plebs can see their blood. hendo vs griffin would be an interesting co-main
milk72 - January 29, 2012
Good idea on Hendo/Griffin
Maybe we can get a WW on that card like Hendricks.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Decent warmup for hendo, and an awesome way to bring back Forrest, the UFC's posterboy, into "the mix" in the off chance he wins.
Unabomberman - January 29, 2012
What about
Hendo vs. Griffin co-main, Diaz vs. Miller to open, and maybe Koscheck vs. Hendricks as main event?
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Switch the main and the co-main and that's a winner
sun yue - January 29, 2012
Yeah Hendo vs. Griffin would be better as main with bigger names
Also Koscheck obviously needs to beat Pierce.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
plus there is absolutely no fucking chance in hell that griffins chin withstands a hendo right hand
but if he can keep his distance he can win.
perfect strikeforce style fight 75% chance of devastating knockout, 25% chance of an exciting upset
milk72 - January 29, 2012
Other option is Hendo vs. Machida
But Machida has lost 3 of 4.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
and machida wins that fight 9 outta 10 times
theres no way your convincing me otherwise, hendo has an absolutely terrible stylistic matchup in that fight
milk72 - January 29, 2012
Machida would probably takedown and smash
We gotta get Thiago Silva on the next FOX show. F it have him fight Luiz Cane since Cane defends no strikes.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Thiago vs Hendo, anyone?
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
didn't Cane just drop to MW?
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
I dunno
Machida is the fucking man, but Shogun exposed him player. I am a huge fan of the Dragon but I’m pretty sure Shogun shoulda won both fights. That said, the newer and bouncier Machida could beat him and part three absolutely must happen. Por el mundo!
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
Lol oops
Eyes weren’t working there, haha
dajulzta - January 29, 2012
That's a good point
Either Forrest gets KTFO’d or he pulls of an upset late in the fight with a sub.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
I don't like it for Griffin though
He himself has said that he doesn’t have much fire left in him for this, and honestly Griffin can’t handle The Hand alone, much less Hendo himself.
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
i dont like it for griffin either
he’d totally get smashed
but it’d be entertaining and this past fox card certainly wasnt that
milk72 - January 29, 2012
But Griffin...
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
I'd love to see Forrest cry again on national television
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
hendricks-matt hughes
along with the vitor-wandy fight, renan barao vs jeff curran and lindland vs lawler II
milk72 - January 29, 2012
LOL
How about:
Hendricks vs. Goulet (the comeback trail is on!), Palhares vs. Lower Level MW, Swanson vs. Oliveira, and Shogun vs. Lil Nog II?
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
they should just have scott coker do the matchups for these cards
instead of having him get dana and lorenzo coffee and dance for their amusement
milk72 - January 29, 2012
Hendricks vs. Goulet, I am oddly intrigued. Just to see Hendricks add to his highlight reel.
Baby Wads - January 29, 2012
I would actually rather see the aforementioned JDS/Reem bout cohead Silva/Sonnen II
I think it would be the perfect way to put those guys on the map. Also vs whoever should head FOX 3.
dajulzta - January 29, 2012 via Android app
I think the days of 2 title fight cards are over. While im at it and how much tonight sucked a few other things that have pissed me off. In the post fight show Ariel interviewed Dana and he said there you go to everyone who was bitching about fights ending to fast all decisions like it has to be one extreme or the other with him. Who was bitching? besides him that Cain didn’t shoot right away on JDS on the first fox card. The hand picking of 5 round main events is getting old to it has to be all or nothing its annoying to the hardcore fans and confusing to the newbs.
nickrodamous - January 29, 2012
whos was bitching
alot of ppl hurrdurrr
MegaReem - January 29, 2012
This is awesome
http://deadspin.com/5880219/chael-sonnen-continues-to-confuse-mma-with-wwe
Farthammer - January 29, 2012
Mjub - January 29, 2012
49 points in my debut >_<
Not great id admit but it was a hard night of picks! JOE, Beltran and Roop screwed me up but nothing compared to slopfest Maia!
Oh and i thought Bisping won 29-28… Not sure what that 30-27 judge was smoking but it sounds like the good shit lol
Chin Check - January 29, 2012
Michael Johnson for me is the biggest loser on tonight's card even though he came out with a W
He still hasn’t show anything or at least something that makes him a threat in the LW division.
daftshadow - January 29, 2012
Deft footwork, sharp striking, strong takedown defense,
and good submission defense against a strong grappler isn’t something that makes him a threat at lightweight?
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Shane Roller isn't a great fighter by any means
But Roller is a good offensive fighter, and I think Michael Johnson beating him does say something about Johnson’s potential.
discoandherpes - January 29, 2012
Yup, he's improved a lot since the Brookins fight
sun yue - January 29, 2012
I agree.
I was impressed by MJ’s potential on TUF, but he obviously has pacing/ conditioning issues. I’m glad he’s training with Rashad, because I thought of him as a mini- Rashad during his run on TUF.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
Maia's the biggest loser in my eyes
but that fight did suck
i dislike johnson
Cunny - January 29, 2012
Odds makers sure suckered a lot of people in for this caard… including me =/
3PA - January 29, 2012
i bet bisping :(
Cunny - January 29, 2012
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