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UFC On Fox Results: Winners, Losers, And Other Thoughts

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On Saturday night, the UFC not only made their return to Fox, they also made their return to Chicago after a three year hiatus. The last time the Windy City was treated to the UFC was Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote at UFC 90, a disastrous event mared by a horrendous main event. UFC on Fox 2 will be a card that garner differing opinions instead of a unanimous agreement. So without wasting any more of your precious time, let's take a look at the biggest winners and losers on the night.

WINNERS

Chris Weidman: Third round be damned. Cutting 30+ pounds in 11 days is ridiculous. I worried in the lead up that he was taking too big of a step up in competition this early in his career but he was impressive for the two rounds before he gassed out. I'd love to see more from when he has a proper training camp.

Mike Russow: Being a full time anything plus full time fighter has got to be incredibly tough. Being a full time police officer is crazy but Mike Russow has found a way to do both. If there has ever been a more physically unimpressive undefeated fighter in the UFC then I don't know who that person is but Mike Russow may be in line for a step up in competition.

Cub Swanson: Before the bout I made a joke on twitter that Cub Swanson was the only person in the WEC that Jens Pulver was able to beat. I figured the fight with Roop was all but decided. Apparently Cub didn't get the memo because he absolutely thrashed Roop for two rounds. Super impressive win for who I thought to be a mediocre fighter.

Charles Oliveira: That was a slick submission. I worried that the Cerrone fight had broken him as a fighter but he showed creativity in that calf slicer. I incorrectly noted that it was a lucky submission in the results post as I write those in real time but dang, what a great set up to a submission that literally no one saw coming.

Michael Johnson: Michael Johnson has a ton of potential but he's still young and makes stupid mistakes. He's essentially Melvin Guillard with a better cage IQ and without the ridiculous knock out power. Beating Shane Roller is a big deal for a young fighter and it showcased that he has some fantastic takedown defense.

Lavar Johnson: Did anyone thing that out of all the Strikeforce heavyweights that Lavar Johnson would have an impressive UFC debut? He entered the fight riding two losses and beat the breaks off of Joey Beltran. Johnson still won't be a contender in the UFC but he'll put on fun fights.

Losers and other thoughts after the jump...

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LOSERS

Demian Maia: What the hell happened to Maia? The last person he submitted was Chael Sonnen and that was almost exactly three years ago. He's a loser because he not only lost, he's a loser because he lost to a guy who had 11 days to prepare and 30 pounds to cut. He needs to stop boxing and get back on the jiu jitsu mat. It's what got him to the dance in the first place.

Phil Davis: For all the talk of being a better wrestler you'd expect him to be a better wrestler. Technical wrestling really isn't effective in MMA where most guys hit the power double to get takedowns. Hopefully this doesn't break him as a fighter and that he'll be able to rebound because that was an awful performance.

Jon Olav Einemo: Remember when fans were super excited about this signing and how Einemo would take the heavyweight division by storm? What happened? I realize that Russow is undefeated in the UFC and may be better than we give him credit for but come on, it's Mike Russow. If you're an elite HW you have to beat Mike Russow.

George Roop: He goes from having a close fight with Hatsu Hioki to getting knocked out by Cub Swanson. The inconsistency with Roop is amazing. It's obvious that he expected a technical kickboxing bout and instead got assaulted in the octagon by Cub. Awful showing for George Roop.

Eric Wisely: I had to learn this man's name for the primer and I will remember it as the first person ever to get caught in a calf slicer in the UFC. I doubt I'll have to write a primer about a UFC fight he is booked in again after that showing.

The live crowd: General reaction from Chicago is that the arena was dead following the Weidman/Maia fight and that people were exiting by the third round of Evans/Davis. That's not a good look.

OTHER THOUGHTS

  • You're probably wondering why I didn't mention Rashad Evans or Chael Sonnen as 'winners' on the night. Well the simple answer is that both fighters did enough to win but neither impressed in those victories. That may be the fault of Dana announcing the winners were guaranteed title shots but I'm not really interested in seeing Rashad fight Jon Jones after the tentative fight last night. The same goes for Chael Sonnen. Sure, he hit the takedowns when he needed them but he was getting outmuscled in the clinch by Michael Bisping.
  • Speaking of Bisping, he's not a loser on the night. Everyone thought he'd get smashed by Sonnen. Including that media member who announced that he was 'Chael's biggest fan' at the pre-fight presser. Bisping is criminally under rated by everyone and hopefully he will find his way to a title shot since he really can pose an interesting match up for everyone in the division.
  • If a match happens and no one sees it, did it really happen? Chris Camozzi has to be wondering that right now. Live reports said that he pulled off a pretty slick guillotine to win his fight. I wouldn't know though since I didn't see it.
  • Nik Lentz is a tough sumbitch but he's not who we thought he was. Evan Dunham is who we though he was. Which is a guy who starts incredibly slow but brings murderous intentions in the second and third rounds.
  • Overall, I'm torn on this event. The prelims were great. We got great submissions and knockouts which is why I tune into the fights. On the other hand the main card was atrocious. I'll call it a C+/B- event and end this post with that.

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Comments

I think Rashad was trying to prove his wrestling was better than we all thought and save himself for the Jones fight. I also think Davis is a lot tougher than we give him credit for, eventhough he was getting beat up he kept coming.

rashad just seems more cautious and tentative lately. there is no way in hell he beats a jon jones who will be HIGHLY motivated to wax that ass…..and davis DID NOT impress me at all. his footwork is just messy…he looks like someone that is just learning to box and to combine their hands with coordinated footwork. there were times when i thought he was going to lose his balance.

Weidman looked great in there

I say match him up with either Belcher or the winner of Okami/Boetsch.

sonnen exposed

As a mw jon fitch w ric flair’s mouth.

Jesus I would hate to be exposed as Jon Fitch. What kinda garbage career has he had anyway?

How was he exposed

That’s been his fighting style throughout his career.

Maia pulled a Gonzaga

collecting pay cheques, not using his jitz.

another poor showing is going to send him out of the UFC for sure

agreed Maia just isn’t good anymore,rashad dominated Mr wonderful and bisping earned a ton of respect hes better then i thought

or maybe was fighting his worst case scenario: hard hitting wrestler with excellent submission defense.

Not why people are surprised… tought matchup for Maia. Pretty ignorant for people to say “he should just submit people”, while ignoring the fact his opponent is an undefeated up and comer with D1 wrestling credentials.

He’s still a top MW.

I don’t think it’s “he should just submit people” so much as “he should attempt to engage on the ground”. This has been a consistent problem with Maia’s last several fights. He’s progressed from under-utilizing his BJJ to actively avoiding the ground game. Weidman’s probably good enough to avoid being submitted, but a couple of minutes of ground control from Maia might’ve won him the decision. I remember Maia having excellent sweeps when he actually fought on the ground. Why wasn’t he at least attempting to use those against Weidman? As a Maia fan, I really hope this was a conditioning issue or something like that. He’s not going to remain a top 10 MW if he keeps fighting like this.

this!

You could see him using his superior grappling to get up. Instead of using it offensively, so annoying

IMO, I think you’re underestimating Weidman’s skils. Maia does have excellent sweeps, but Weidman is a D1 wrestler with ADCC experience… he’s going to be very difficult to sweep. Maia was 0-7 on takedowns also… D1 wrestlers aren’t known for being easy to take down either. When it did go to the ground, Maia tried to take his back (which got countered by Weidman’s wizzer) and he couldn’t do mount any offense because there wasn’t enough time left in the round in the first and he was (they were) too tired to do anything in the third.

In short, Maia will always having a hard time avoiding (sloppy) boxing fests against above average wrestlers with above average submission defense.

I’m pretty sure Jacoby actually got submitted by Camozzi. He wasn’t the winner.

i say we need maia and paul harris

Also,

Rashad poses little or no threat to Jon Jones. I say he gets choked in the 1st or 2nd.

Swanson is VERY hot and cold, and I used to like him, but I just don’t want to worry about how bad he looks some times.

Oliviera/Brandao, winner gets a fight with a top-10 FW

I really like Michael Johnson, I think he has good tools, and he’s exciting to watch. I’d like to see him fight mini Vitor or Rafael dos Anjos.

Lavar Johnson looked like a monster, I’d like to see him vs. Barry

Maia and Davis were both unable to enforce their game, and got shown up by better strikers/grapplers.

Who the hell is Mini Vitor?

Tavares?

The thing that suprises me most is

people think Roop is a good fighter.
In his last 11 fights he has 4 wins.

The Hioki decision was BS

But that still puts him at 5. I think he’s improved immensely though.

George Roop 12–9–1
1-5 in the UFC
Damn you

With your trollish statistics and all. I see right through you, RolloTomasi

I know that fight records aren't the whole story but

Gotdamn 12-9-1! That’s bad yo.

It was a classic

“Overrating a guy coming off a good performance against tough competition” situation, like a less meaningful Brett Rogers after the Fedor fight.

In his last 5 fights, he knocked out the current #9 FW and arguably beat the #2. He’s not a very consistent fighter, but he’s shown that he can hang with top fighters.

1-5 in the UFC would say he can't hang with top fighters

but he can pull one out once every couple of years.

Jacoby didnt win

he was standing guillotined by Comozzi

Yeah I wrote the wrong name. I edited it.

I have no clue why people were surprised by Bisping. He completely neutralized Rashad’s offense and was absurdly undersized on fight night. News flash: Bisping is good. Not ironically good, or joke good , or good in certain matchups. He’s good, period. He has 3 losses: 2 to top flight wrestlers who he completely stifled offensively (and won both fights, in my opinion ) and got crushed by Hendo. This isn’t Matt Brown we are talking about here.

I don;t think Rashad was at all bigger than Bisping when they fought.

Mike is taller, and realistically Rashad could’ve cut to MW if he felt uncomfortable at LHW.

I love him, but it's 4 fights lost

U missing the wanderlei fight, which is probably the worst looking loss, but even that was close, and if you’re not a power puncher and only strike with him at least back then he was still a challenge

It was not close

Bisping got beat up.

In the Wand fight.
You watch that fight?

1st round bisping decent striking, wanderlei ends with a flurry that keeps him in it. 2nd round. 2nd round more even, bisping tries a sloppy takedown, gets rocked a little. 3rd round most in favour of wanderlei but that ending where he really did get the better of exchanges coloured the close fight tbh. I still thought wanderlei won, but getting beaten up implies some kind of dominance, not getting caught by a few flurries

Maia has got 60 year old man’s athleticism. I have never seen slower and weaker strikes in my life. Next time he should comeout to fight with an old man’s walker.

Atrocious? That’s a little harsh. The Weidman/Maia fight was boring as shit but the co and main events I thought were rather entertaining. Chael didn’t look as good as he did in his last two fights but his post-fight interview was well worth watching. The Evans/Davis fight was a solid technical battle that displayed some of the intricacies of a fight that I feel are far too overlooked. Also, both Chael and Evans did what they had to do to get their title shots. They may not have done it in the most dynamic matter but what’s important is they were able to build on their respective rivalries. The prelims were solid though. Nick Lentz is a tough guy, I was sad to see that fight end the way it did. I’d give the whole thing a B.

Oh

and Phil Davis should NOT be in the “loser” category.

Why not?

All the talk before the fight was about how much of a better wrestler he was than Rashad. Did he even get a single takedown? Davis looked awful in the fight.

he just fought for 25 minutes for one of the largest audiences in MMA history and never once looked like he had a chance in hell of winning that fight or even making it close.

To me he it seemed like his stock dropped the most of any fighter on the card last night.

For sure

His standup looked horrible. He was prob rusty but still his technique looked awful. I just don’t think he has the frame to be able to strike fluidly EVER.

It did look bad, but I think that has to do with the fact that Rashad’s looked pretty good. Rashad’s got a lot more experience though, and when Davis gets to a similar level of experience we’ll be able to judge his striking more accurately.

Maybe a little to do with Rashad

But those right hands Davis were throwing were so fugly, and nowhere near their mark 99% of the time.

I feel like Davis’ performance last night is similar to Pat Curran’s against Eddie Alvarez.

Curran at least started strong. Had a good first two rounds.

I said “similar,” not exactly.

What is he supposed to do before a fight? Not talk himself up? Name a fighter with that mindset. You can’t. This was a huge step up for him and he went 25 minutes with a former champ. His biggest fight before this was Little Nog, whom he barely got by. This showed, although not in the most dynamic fashion, that he can hang with the top guys in his division. If he’s not getting flattened by Rashad at this stage in his career, and still learning and growing as a fighter, then he’s still in a position to make a name for himself and be a contender.

Bisping is a "winner"

No one except bad judges thought he won. He eroded a bit of Sonnen’s glamor. HE won’t be losing to Silva this summer and he will return to the Top five by year’s end with a victory over Okami.

A controversial loss can work for a fighter in the long run.

Chael Sonnen landed more strikes then Bisping

Got more takedowns then Bisping, got more dominant positions then Bisping. How did he lose? Check the stats of the fight

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html

to some people

taking someone down and doing nothing with it is equal to getting up off of your back and returning the fight to a standing position (on in Bisping’s case, without taking any damage). Both are mentioned in the URs as examples of “effective grappling”.

Bisping had Sonnen pinned against the cage for much longer than Sonnen had Bisping pinned to either the cage or floor.

I scored the fight a draw. Neither man was interested in doing much damage in the fight, it didn’t matter who landed more. There’s arguments for 29-28 either way imo. But having Bisping winning isn’t some unfathomable travesty.

However he said only bad judges would give it to Sonnen

When in reality the fight can be argued either way. Personally I think the fact that Chael Sonnen beat Bisping in both volume of strikes, volume of power strikes, and takedown effiency and prowess means he should get the nod

But the fact of the matter is, either way the person is not an idiot for showing his score

I had this whole long drawn out response typed up. But it all amounted to saying it was a close fight. So I’ll just say that instead. Fight could have been 29-28 either way imo, or a draw (as I scored it last night).

Bisping did alot better against Sonnen than people thought he would (similar in that regards to Silva-Sonnen), and I think that’s driving alot of the post fight discussion.

Crowd

So your rippin the live crowd for not being loud during 2 mostly boring fights what do you expect and sure as hell wasn’t dead while the true main event was goin on. I agree on the leaveing after the 3rd round i was saying the same thing last nite there is no excuss for that.

No. I'm saying they were losers because the main card sucked.

So they lost.

Chicago crowd are losers because they boo even 15 seconds of inactivity
That was pissing me off.
George Roop vs. Chan Sung Jung probably changed the course of the FW division

Roop gets a huge win and is one win from a title shot, instead he gets starched by Hominick, upsets Grispi on a TUF Finale, loses to Hioki and then starched by Cub. He’s probably a loss away from being cut.

KZ was 0-2 in his first two Zuffa fights, and became the first man to use the twister submission and then he puts up one of the fastest KOs in UFC history against Hominick. He could be in line for a title shot.

Quite amazing isn’t it?

It is actually.

On an off-topic note, i have a really hard time with what to make of the KZ. That twister was sick, but Garcia sucks to be honest. His performance against Hominick however, was truly impressive, if not for the fact that Hominick’s technique was awful, likely because he just lost his coach. (he really doesn’t leave himself open to counters like that). I think he is overrated now, and that he would probably get starched by the A-level fighters in the division. But ever since Faber and Florian left, and ever since Brown and Grispi deteriorated, who are the A-level fighters? Aldo, Mendes and possibly Hioki? I think the FW division is a lot weaker than i thought when the WEC got brought over.

Losers:

People responsible for the fighting surface in the cage. I said multiple times that the fighters were slipping all over, and Loretta Hunt said they were using zambonis in between fights.

Davis seemed to get the worst of it.
Yes

He was sliding all over the place

they're too afraid of people seeing that fighters bleed on the canvas

weak stuff

Davis was ice skating out there.
It's a lot less simple than just "get back on the jiu jitsy mat".

First of all, Weidman is one of the slickest BJJ-players in the MW division. Yes i said it. Not wrestler, not grappler. Second of all, he is near impossible to take down.

And most importantly, Maia can’t win with the fans. Not us, but the casuals, and let’s be honest, they are the ones he hears and the ones that matter the most. When he takes a guy down, they immediately play D without looking for anything, which leads to “boring”, “lay’n’pray” performances from Maia (see: Grove, Miranda, Santiago). No wonder he tried to keep the fight on the feet to make it “exciting”. We see what happens to good guys who get on DWs boring list (Jon Madsen, Gerald Harris etc.). I understand Maia.

Not impressed with Rashad?

No one has done that to Phil Davis. And I suspect that outside Jon Jones, no one else will for a long, long time. I can see wanting a finish, but that was exactly the kind of performance I’d expect from a #1 contender.

The prelims were solid as a rock, but you have to think that the main card was worst case scenario for the UFC. It was NOT an exciting night of fights which is what needs to be on Fox. Fuck having important title eliminator fights on Fox, they need to put exciting fights on that will entice people who have never bought a UFC PPV to pony up the dough. Last night certainly didn’t do it.

Nate Diaz is fighting on the next FOX show

So it’s automatically better.

I agree 100%

I’ve been arguing on air that the UFC is going to have to learn how to book fights for Fox because they can’t approach it the same way they have in the past. Btw, WAR DIAZ.

They aren't treating Fox how they should treat Fox

Since their business model is still PPV, they won’t make the adjustment to put guys like GSP/Anderson/Jones on free tv. And no one will give a shit about Dominick Cruz/Jose Aldo/Frankie Edgar if those fights are booked.

Come on Matthew, Aldo is one of the most dynamic guys in the sport. Can you imagine boxing with no weight class below 175? No Pryor, Hearns or Duran? The smaller guys need more exposure, not less.

This isn't a matter of I don't like Aldo.

It’s a matter of a casual audience wants recognizable names. With the network deal the PPVs should be building the Fox/FX/Fuel cards. Not the other way around.

The 300k-Viewership cards should build the X-million-cards?

How does that work?

There is only one thing that matters to Fox/FX/Fuel

that’s ratings. They don’t care about anything else except ratings. The UFC can’t book fights that have the potential to be boring as hell on Fox. And Fox will want title fights. And you can’t say ‘oh here’s dominick cruz.’

This past card was full of recognisable names to existing fans.

Do casuals watching Fox know who those fighters are? No. They could have put the “no names” on the undercard in the main event and likely done better ratings since those fights were more exciting.

Still doesn't explain your premise

What is the niche-viewership of a 300k PPV gonna do in building up a FOX-show? That’s like saying saying they should book adverts on Bellator to push their FOX-events. Plus: This card was pretty stacked (the FOX-part), was injury-stricken which changed the way the first two fights went significantly (esp. Bisping – Maia would’ve been WAY different) and even now, nobody could’ve predicted it would go down like it did.

Amen to that. Either Diaz brother having a fight all but guarantees a 15 to 25 minute adrenaline surge for anyone watching it.

I bet they're not as flexible as we think

Their contract probably stipulates something like “all main-event fighters need to be Top 10” or something like that. Plus the fact they need to save the best for PPV and the timing/injury-stuff it’s probably pretty hard to put together the “perfect” FOX-card. Also: Maia vs Weidman plus Sonnen Bisping was born out of injury and Bisping Maia would’ve looked nothing like this. Sonnen vs. Munoz probably not as well.

Agree that last night didn't do it...

But what did anyone expect other than this? 80% of people (8 out of 12) called a Weidman upset via his wrestling. 100% of people called a Chael UD via wrestling and Rashad vs. Davis was a battle of the wrestlers from the start. I’m with Roth that if the idea of the Fox deal was to go mainstream and build the casual fan base, they need exciting fights and recognisable fighters RE: the Fox Debut.

And definitely WAR DIAZ!

80% of people (8 out of 12) called a Weidman upset

English math aside, that’s not true. 68% of the BE Civil War camp and 61% overall on MMA Playground picked Maia.

Man, BE is terrible at percentages.
I was just making my point...

That a lot of people expected Weidman to exercise his wrestling in a potential snoozefest.

And when it comes to percentages, we are definitely no Chael Sonnen

And a lot of people (myself included and at least a few members of staff)

Expected fireworks. Hindsight is 20/20 and sometimes the way a fight played out seems incredibly obvious (eg. if we’d known Maia apparently sucks now, we’d pick Weidman) but it’s downright wrong to suggest that most people thought it would be a boring fight.

"He's essentially Melvin Guillard with a better cage IQ and without the ridiculous knock out power."

Umm what? Did you base this on anything besides both being athletic and black? Ridiculous comparison

I understand there are a lot of articles to put out after an event but my oh my has the quality deteriorated around here

yeah this is just sad

Really? You don't see a guy who repeatedly stopped a 3x All American's takedowns?

And was speedy with a crisp combinations. You didn’t see that? My bad man. Guess you weren’t watching the fights on Fuel.

A guy can’t compare one black fighter to another without ppl interperting it as racist?

It's impossible right?

Guess I can’t say ‘Mike Russow is similar to Matt Hughes except fatter and knockout power.’ since that too would be racist right?

Did I say it was racist?

I said it’s a comparison you made comparing fighter A’s skill set to fighter B’s skill set because of their skin color…and it’s obvious

“He’s essentially Melvin Guillard…” Do you even proofread your work or have anyone else look at it? My main point is how obviously this site has regressed in terms of writing quality…and again, it’s obvious.

They are very quick athletes that train together at the same camp, compete in the same weight class, have a wrestling base, defensive jiu jitsu liabilities, and a win against Shane Roller by outstriking him.

Why are you focusing so much on them both being black?

Comparing a guy who has some similar skills to another guy, who fought recently and is very well known and lamented for his defects

For a start, sounds like you’re trolling anyway, besides the similar training and previous opponents

I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that comparison, and arguing that is provocative
Loser: The Production

And people thought it couldn’t get more corny than “Gladiator-Man”. Then the “Real Steel”-MMA-Robots came up…better to sell action-figures, I guess.

This.

Not only the corny robot graphics wtf was that reel steel. The overall production was a mess I said this last night Menefee has no business on the broadcast between him Couture and Jones Squirming in his seat and constantly looking at his notes that shit looked like a 3 stooges routine. The only person who came off as professional was Couture and he was still hampered by Menfee and Jones the whole thing was atrocious idk about a B-/C+ for this card without the undercard only counting the fox fights/production I give it a D.

Bisping would have eaten Maia alive.

In retrospect

I think Bisping will regret holding Sonnen against the cage for so long, when they separated he seemed to land more in the exchanges. I think he just felt a little overwhelmed by Sonnen constantly swarming him when there was any distance between them hence the grappling against the fence. If he’d backed off more at the fence and let shots go from range he’d have won the fight.

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