On Saturday night, the UFC not only made their return to Fox, they also made their return to Chicago after a three year hiatus. The last time the Windy City was treated to the UFC was Anderson Silva vs Patrick Cote at UFC 90, a disastrous event mared by a horrendous main event. UFC on Fox 2 will be a card that garner differing opinions instead of a unanimous agreement. So without wasting any more of your precious time, let's take a look at the biggest winners and losers on the night.
WINNERS
Chris Weidman: Third round be damned. Cutting 30+ pounds in 11 days is ridiculous. I worried in the lead up that he was taking too big of a step up in competition this early in his career but he was impressive for the two rounds before he gassed out. I'd love to see more from when he has a proper training camp.
Mike Russow: Being a full time anything plus full time fighter has got to be incredibly tough. Being a full time police officer is crazy but Mike Russow has found a way to do both. If there has ever been a more physically unimpressive undefeated fighter in the UFC then I don't know who that person is but Mike Russow may be in line for a step up in competition.
Cub Swanson: Before the bout I made a joke on twitter that Cub Swanson was the only person in the WEC that Jens Pulver was able to beat. I figured the fight with Roop was all but decided. Apparently Cub didn't get the memo because he absolutely thrashed Roop for two rounds. Super impressive win for who I thought to be a mediocre fighter.
Charles Oliveira: That was a slick submission. I worried that the Cerrone fight had broken him as a fighter but he showed creativity in that calf slicer. I incorrectly noted that it was a lucky submission in the results post as I write those in real time but dang, what a great set up to a submission that literally no one saw coming.
Michael Johnson: Michael Johnson has a ton of potential but he's still young and makes stupid mistakes. He's essentially Melvin Guillard with a better cage IQ and without the ridiculous knock out power. Beating Shane Roller is a big deal for a young fighter and it showcased that he has some fantastic takedown defense.
Lavar Johnson: Did anyone thing that out of all the Strikeforce heavyweights that Lavar Johnson would have an impressive UFC debut? He entered the fight riding two losses and beat the breaks off of Joey Beltran. Johnson still won't be a contender in the UFC but he'll put on fun fights.
Losers and other thoughts after the jump...

LOSERS
Demian Maia: What the hell happened to Maia? The last person he submitted was Chael Sonnen and that was almost exactly three years ago. He's a loser because he not only lost, he's a loser because he lost to a guy who had 11 days to prepare and 30 pounds to cut. He needs to stop boxing and get back on the jiu jitsu mat. It's what got him to the dance in the first place.
Phil Davis: For all the talk of being a better wrestler you'd expect him to be a better wrestler. Technical wrestling really isn't effective in MMA where most guys hit the power double to get takedowns. Hopefully this doesn't break him as a fighter and that he'll be able to rebound because that was an awful performance.
Jon Olav Einemo: Remember when fans were super excited about this signing and how Einemo would take the heavyweight division by storm? What happened? I realize that Russow is undefeated in the UFC and may be better than we give him credit for but come on, it's Mike Russow. If you're an elite HW you have to beat Mike Russow.
George Roop: He goes from having a close fight with Hatsu Hioki to getting knocked out by Cub Swanson. The inconsistency with Roop is amazing. It's obvious that he expected a technical kickboxing bout and instead got assaulted in the octagon by Cub. Awful showing for George Roop.
Eric Wisely: I had to learn this man's name for the primer and I will remember it as the first person ever to get caught in a calf slicer in the UFC. I doubt I'll have to write a primer about a UFC fight he is booked in again after that showing.
The live crowd: General reaction from Chicago is that the arena was dead following the Weidman/Maia fight and that people were exiting by the third round of Evans/Davis. That's not a good look.
OTHER THOUGHTS
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I think Rashad was trying to prove his wrestling was better than we all thought and save himself for the Jones fight. I also think Davis is a lot tougher than we give him credit for, eventhough he was getting beat up he kept coming.
ProfessorBLove - January 29, 2012 via mobile
and how dare you speek bad of mike russow!!!!
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
He gets a continuous barrage of these while he sleeps for the next 2 weeks
halitosis - January 29, 2012
Rosenthal looks hilarious in this gif.
It never actually shows him pulling off Russow, so he’s just running around awkwardly over and over…
Pat Tzu - January 29, 2012
Lol...he moves like a gorilla, lumbering toward a bush to squat a deuce.
Snatchl - January 29, 2012
best version of this gif so far
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
rashad just seems more cautious and tentative lately. there is no way in hell he beats a jon jones who will be HIGHLY motivated to wax that ass…..and davis DID NOT impress me at all. his footwork is just messy…he looks like someone that is just learning to box and to combine their hands with coordinated footwork. there were times when i thought he was going to lose his balance.
phantom5691 - January 29, 2012
Weidman looked great in there
I say match him up with either Belcher or the winner of Okami/Boetsch.
halitosis - January 29, 2012
In the end it really doesn’t matter who won the Chael bisping fight, the winner is just gonna get embarresed and knocked out by silva.. Chael couldn’t beat bisping in his rematch with silva he won’t make it out the 1st round
psychoblack - January 29, 2012 via mobile
HOLY CRAP ITS PSYCHOBLACK
I agree
halitosis - January 29, 2012
Don't fade Chael, son.
Actually go ahead.
lolumad - January 29, 2012
I like your sig bud.
mmazing - January 29, 2012
EMBARRASED!
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
Psychoblack, even you must give Chael credit for fighting Bisping and Silva simultaneously.
sexysassytravismmafan - January 29, 2012
This is the last thing psychoblack said:
Guillards time is coming after tonight millers is up.. Miller cant touch a focused patient guillard. Guillard will keep tagging miller and eventually tko him miller won’t lay a finger on guillard
dude-1981 - January 29, 2012
So.... you know.
dude-1981 - January 29, 2012
Slap yo self
ThatsHowIRoll - January 29, 2012
I didn’t know they had the SB Nation app for the Sidekick.
BVandDietPepsi - January 29, 2012
Sidekick?
Chris Hall - January 29, 2012
you cheeky mutherfuker, you!
Victor Rodriguez - January 29, 2012
Where can I get that outfit, holy shit!!!
NickRingp4pGOAT - January 30, 2012
Please
PLEASE don’t root for Anderson!!! I don’t want you jinxing him up and shit. I swear Psychoblack if Andy loses against Chael I’ll NEVER forgive you!!!
SentientAndroid - January 29, 2012
Yeah, the most roided up Chael got strangled like a bitch by an injured Anderson.
Anderson will finish him much faster this time around.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
But what if he roids up even more!
And more clever, that is.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
and this is what i don't understand.
so many people swear the rematch is going to be a replay of the first fight, ignoring the fact that Anderson was hurt. Silva will pick him apart on his feet and if it goes to the ground [which, let’s be fair – Sonnen can totally take it there], Silva’s gonna make him regret it.
Victor Rodriguez - January 29, 2012
It's stupidity.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
I don’t think the rematch will be a replay, because Silva will be ready for Sonnen’s early charge/non-stop aggression and won’t be caught off guard… I wouldn’t be surprised to see Silva finish Sonnen, but I thought Silva looked fine (movement wise) that night. It’s no secret Silva’s weakness has always been wrestling, so I wouldn’t write off the first fight as an injury related fluke… Bisping’s wrestling has always been much better than Silva’s, so let’s not all freak out :).
I think the rematch WILL be like the first fight… in that Sonnen will be in danger of being taken hurt by Silva anytime it is standing or possibly being submitted when it’s on the ground, but Silva’s in danger of being taken down anytime it’s standing.
Diz D - January 29, 2012
There's also the fact that Chael is no longer supercharged on testosterone.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
has this been confirmed anywhere?
Seriously all the people on TRT should be forced to disclose it.
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
*yawn*
It sure is admirable and formulaic that you support yet another predictable pick, this time with Anderson “the Pedophile Admirer” Silva as “da man!” of your dreams. However, this last match was Chael at his low testosterone ebb, and this is the worst he’ll look. Sorta like AS and his hurty rib the first time they fought. As it is, Chael will “pump up the volume” and get his AndroGel ON, homeboy! … And proceed to dish out the pain to “The Spider” in a manner most convincing.
Sure, this match with Bisping was pretty damn boring – there’s not much else one can say about it. But Big Daddy Chael bringing the shit talk and the power double to Brazil? Now THAT’S something we can all look forward to.
psychoblack is roughly 50% with his fadeability accuracy, so I’m not really that worried about taking an alternate view that may disagree with his. ‘Nuff said … Sly’s gotta go see about a bindle now.
glib_mf - January 30, 2012
How could you ever know that Chael was at a "low testosterone ebb"
Do you personally measure his T- levels whilst clutching to his ballsack?
ElliotMatheny - January 30, 2012
sonnen exposed
As a mw jon fitch w ric flair’s mouth.
thuggis - January 29, 2012 via mobile
Jesus I would hate to be exposed as Jon Fitch. What kinda garbage career has he had anyway?
castleeb - January 29, 2012
How was he exposed
That’s been his fighting style throughout his career.
Chris Hall - January 29, 2012
" He’s essentially Melvin Guillard with a better cage IQ and without the ridiculous knock out power."
So… black?
mcgriff - January 29, 2012
Yup
That’s exactly what I got from that statement. That and they train at Blackzillians.
halitosis - January 29, 2012
NO! A FIGHTER WITH GREAT TAKEDOWN DEFENSE!
RACIST!
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
NO!
EXPLOSIVE!
dedstrk316 - January 29, 2012
NO!
EXPLOSIVE AND ATHLETIC!
Victor Rodriguez - January 29, 2012
A striker with good striking, quick movement, good TDD and average jiu jitsu
YPG - January 29, 2012
If mid-tier in the UFC is what we judge by.
Melvins Jiu Jitsu is a lot less than average.
Magaca - January 29, 2012
explosive and athletic
lmaginary Enemy - January 29, 2012
athletic and explosive.
gspmademegay - January 29, 2012
Joe
Broseidon - January 29, 2012
Maia pulled a Gonzaga
collecting pay cheques, not using his jitz.
another poor showing is going to send him out of the UFC for sure
elmojo - January 29, 2012
agreed Maia just isn’t good anymore,rashad dominated Mr wonderful and bisping earned a ton of respect hes better then i thought
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
or maybe was fighting his worst case scenario: hard hitting wrestler with excellent submission defense.
Not why people are surprised… tought matchup for Maia. Pretty ignorant for people to say “he should just submit people”, while ignoring the fact his opponent is an undefeated up and comer with D1 wrestling credentials.
He’s still a top MW.
Diz D - January 29, 2012
I don’t think it’s “he should just submit people” so much as “he should attempt to engage on the ground”. This has been a consistent problem with Maia’s last several fights. He’s progressed from under-utilizing his BJJ to actively avoiding the ground game. Weidman’s probably good enough to avoid being submitted, but a couple of minutes of ground control from Maia might’ve won him the decision. I remember Maia having excellent sweeps when he actually fought on the ground. Why wasn’t he at least attempting to use those against Weidman? As a Maia fan, I really hope this was a conditioning issue or something like that. He’s not going to remain a top 10 MW if he keeps fighting like this.
euthanatos - January 29, 2012
this!
You could see him using his superior grappling to get up. Instead of using it offensively, so annoying
troyd - January 29, 2012 via mobile
IMO, I think you’re underestimating Weidman’s skils. Maia does have excellent sweeps, but Weidman is a D1 wrestler with ADCC experience… he’s going to be very difficult to sweep. Maia was 0-7 on takedowns also… D1 wrestlers aren’t known for being easy to take down either. When it did go to the ground, Maia tried to take his back (which got countered by Weidman’s wizzer) and he couldn’t do mount any offense because there wasn’t enough time left in the round in the first and he was (they were) too tired to do anything in the third.
Diz D - January 29, 2012
In short, Maia will always having a hard time avoiding (sloppy) boxing fests against above average wrestlers with above average submission defense.
Diz D - January 29, 2012
Rashad looked great in my opinion. He showed excellent composure and his grappling was excellent, moving into dominant positions on multiple occasions. He also dealt with Phil’s range well, which is something that he will have to do with a much better striker in Jon Jones.
xDieseLx - January 29, 2012
Oh god, another infamous Rashad explanation, creaming over dominant positions that don’t actually come anywhere close to a finish, or the biggest cliche of all time, “I love how he uses his striking to set up his takedowns”…..,granted, his takedowns never lead to any damage and he cant seem to hold people down for extended periods, but those transitions!!! I always picture all 7 of Rashads big fans sitting in the arena gleefully enjoying his transitions while the other 12,000 fans walk out halfway through the 2nd round.
Hutchy - January 29, 2012 via mobile
I enjoyed watching him. Guess that makes me part of some lunatic fringe whose brain doesn’t boil out of his nose in a froth every time someone says something nice about Rashad.
dribblebib - January 29, 2012 via mobile
You can take a dump on him all you want, but he pitched a shutout against a very talented top 10 LHW, took very little damage, and did it all in a fight that in other sports we would call a “trap game.” There was alot on the line, alot of pressure, and he came out and took care of business.
xDieseLx - January 29, 2012
rashad's gonna headkick u on his way home tonight
Seriously, he did look ridiculously composed against a guy with a much bigger reach, his timing was good, and he’s already admitted in the post-fight presser he was feeling the pressure of being in a no-win situation, to possibly lose a fight that he’s wanted for years. Go watch leonard garcia fights all year if that’s your cup of tea, some fights you can appreciate a guy without going mad over the fight itself
UK MMA MAN - January 29, 2012
I agree.
It wasn’t the Tito-destruction, but I expected him to fare pretty bad in the grappling and clinch department. Was an interesting fight, pretty technical. Would’ve been even better if Rashad swarmed more.
killphil - January 29, 2012
i was hoping for Rashad to finish the fight, possibly by submission to quiet the haters. he still beat an undefeated prospect and simply outclassed the younger Davis the whole fight.
Victor Rodriguez - January 29, 2012
I’m pretty sure Jacoby actually got submitted by Camozzi. He wasn’t the winner.
Baby Wads - January 29, 2012
i say we need maia and paul harris
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
That was 3 years ago
This was 2 weeks ago

I gotta go with Paul on that one

wheeeeee!
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
thats the gif i posted lol i honestly think paul harris would hulk smash maia
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
I know
I’m just looking for an excuse to post Paul pics.
He’s so dreamy.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
Paul Harris actually also dropped Dan Miller and should've gotten a TKO
If he knew the fight was still going.
Palhares’ striking is way more powerful than Maia.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Maia stunned Munoz with a left hook, he doesn't have terrible power.
With Palhares, I’ve been impressed with his kicking. He landed really solid round kicks in the Miller and Massenzio fights.
ElliotMatheny - January 29, 2012
You don't need power to buzz someone with a shot to the temple
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
Demian did it to Chael, who is a better win than any Paul has gotten.
Loot - January 29, 2012
First pic Mike looks like Tim Sylvia’s mini me.
3PA - January 29, 2012
flying tree stump!
SentientAndroid - January 29, 2012
Also,
Rashad poses little or no threat to Jon Jones. I say he gets choked in the 1st or 2nd.
Swanson is VERY hot and cold, and I used to like him, but I just don’t want to worry about how bad he looks some times.
Oliviera/Brandao, winner gets a fight with a top-10 FW
I really like Michael Johnson, I think he has good tools, and he’s exciting to watch. I’d like to see him fight mini Vitor or Rafael dos Anjos.
Lavar Johnson looked like a monster, I’d like to see him vs. Barry
Maia and Davis were both unable to enforce their game, and got shown up by better strikers/grapplers.
halitosis - January 29, 2012
Who the hell is Mini Vitor?
Tavares?
Magaca - January 29, 2012
yes
Chris Hall - January 29, 2012
The thing that suprises me most is
people think Roop is a good fighter.
In his last 11 fights he has 4 wins.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
The Hioki decision was BS
But that still puts him at 5. I think he’s improved immensely though.
halitosis - January 29, 2012
Hioki won.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
George Roop 12–9–1
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
1-5 in the UFC
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
Damn you
With your trollish statistics and all. I see right through you, RolloTomasi
halitosis - January 29, 2012
I know that fight records aren't the whole story but
Gotdamn 12-9-1! That’s bad yo.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
It was a classic
“Overrating a guy coming off a good performance against tough competition” situation, like a less meaningful Brett Rogers after the Fedor fight.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
In his last 5 fights, he knocked out the current #9 FW and arguably beat the #2. He’s not a very consistent fighter, but he’s shown that he can hang with top fighters.
euthanatos - January 29, 2012
1-5 in the UFC would say he can't hang with top fighters
but he can pull one out once every couple of years.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
Jacoby didnt win
he was standing guillotined by Comozzi
ATLien420 - January 29, 2012
Yeah I wrote the wrong name. I edited it.
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
I have no clue why people were surprised by Bisping. He completely neutralized Rashad’s offense and was absurdly undersized on fight night. News flash: Bisping is good. Not ironically good, or joke good , or good in certain matchups. He’s good, period. He has 3 losses: 2 to top flight wrestlers who he completely stifled offensively (and won both fights, in my opinion ) and got crushed by Hendo. This isn’t Matt Brown we are talking about here.
Hutchy - January 29, 2012 via mobile
He's good
but he’s no Michael Bisping.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
and as it turns out michael bisping is pretty good lol
THEFILMGUY - January 29, 2012
I don;t think Rashad was at all bigger than Bisping when they fought.
Mike is taller, and realistically Rashad could’ve cut to MW if he felt uncomfortable at LHW.
Loot - January 29, 2012
I love him, but it's 4 fights lost
U missing the wanderlei fight, which is probably the worst looking loss, but even that was close, and if you’re not a power puncher and only strike with him at least back then he was still a challenge
UK MMA MAN - January 29, 2012
It was not close
Bisping got beat up.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
In the Wand fight.
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
You watch that fight?
1st round bisping decent striking, wanderlei ends with a flurry that keeps him in it. 2nd round. 2nd round more even, bisping tries a sloppy takedown, gets rocked a little. 3rd round most in favour of wanderlei but that ending where he really did get the better of exchanges coloured the close fight tbh. I still thought wanderlei won, but getting beaten up implies some kind of dominance, not getting caught by a few flurries
UK MMA MAN - January 29, 2012
He got beat up
RolloTomasi - January 29, 2012
Rashad had fought what, 2 rounds since his layoff before this fight...
I think he needed the cage-time regardless of whether he intended to fight 5 rounds or not. I also think it was important considering he’s added muscle mass, and has a “rep” for his cardio being bad after a couple rounds of grappling. In this fight he out-grappled the best wrestler in the division, gained mounted crucifix on at least 2 occasions, and simply dominated a guy who had beaten Lil Nog, and Gustaffson to get here. DOMINANT. This wasn’t a case of Rashad keeping it on the feet, and lighting Phil up, while desperately trying to avoid the ground. He fought to his opponent’s strength (realistically Phil’s only avenue to victory) and beat him without a shadow of a doubt. This doesn’t compare to his KO of Chuck, or Bone’s guillotine on Lyoto, or Silva’s snap front kick on Vitor, but it was a good win.
Loot - January 29, 2012
Meh. Actually get the guy in the slightest danger of being finished and we will talk.
Hutchy - January 29, 2012 via mobile
Phil had never lost til last night...
Nor really been in danger of losing as far as I recall in the UFC. Rashad dominated him.
Loot - January 29, 2012
Before last night
He’d never been taken down, had his guard passed, or been hit with any sort of frequency. Rashad did all of those things, which makes it a pretty impressive performance.
Patrick Wyman - January 29, 2012
being trapped in a mounted crucifix
means you are in imminent danger of the ref stepping in and stopping it because you can’t intelligently defend yourself.
Davis was saved by the clock on at least two occasions.
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
This
Rashad dominated him all over the place last night
rockyman500 - January 29, 2012
Rashad clearly outclassed Phil Davis in all phases in winning a one-sided unanimous decision, yet he’s not a winner for the night? That’s a head-scratcher. Nobody had more to lose on last night’s card than Rashad. He responded to the challenge by winning all five rounds against a previously undefeated opponent. In my opinion, his performance was much more impressive than Chris Weidman, who won ugly after gassing in the 2nd round.
mjbaze - January 29, 2012
Paul Harris vs Mark Munoz
Garbanzo - January 29, 2012
Maia has got 60 year old man’s athleticism. I have never seen slower and weaker strikes in my life. Next time he should comeout to fight with an old man’s walker.
dancingChicken - January 29, 2012
Atrocious? That’s a little harsh. The Weidman/Maia fight was boring as shit but the co and main events I thought were rather entertaining. Chael didn’t look as good as he did in his last two fights but his post-fight interview was well worth watching. The Evans/Davis fight was a solid technical battle that displayed some of the intricacies of a fight that I feel are far too overlooked. Also, both Chael and Evans did what they had to do to get their title shots. They may not have done it in the most dynamic matter but what’s important is they were able to build on their respective rivalries. The prelims were solid though. Nick Lentz is a tough guy, I was sad to see that fight end the way it did. I’d give the whole thing a B.
FarmerInTheCity - January 29, 2012
Oh
and Phil Davis should NOT be in the “loser” category.
FarmerInTheCity - January 29, 2012
Why not?
All the talk before the fight was about how much of a better wrestler he was than Rashad. Did he even get a single takedown? Davis looked awful in the fight.
YPG - January 29, 2012
he just fought for 25 minutes for one of the largest audiences in MMA history and never once looked like he had a chance in hell of winning that fight or even making it close.
To me he it seemed like his stock dropped the most of any fighter on the card last night.
Stanlee - January 29, 2012
For sure
His standup looked horrible. He was prob rusty but still his technique looked awful. I just don’t think he has the frame to be able to strike fluidly EVER.
taptomyarmbar - January 29, 2012
It did look bad, but I think that has to do with the fact that Rashad’s looked pretty good. Rashad’s got a lot more experience though, and when Davis gets to a similar level of experience we’ll be able to judge his striking more accurately.
FarmerInTheCity - January 29, 2012
Maybe a little to do with Rashad
But those right hands Davis were throwing were so fugly, and nowhere near their mark 99% of the time.
taptomyarmbar - January 29, 2012
I feel like Davis’ performance last night is similar to Pat Curran’s against Eddie Alvarez.
FarmerInTheCity - January 29, 2012
Curran at least started strong. Had a good first two rounds.
BVandDietPepsi - January 29, 2012
I said “similar,” not exactly.
FarmerInTheCity - February 3, 2012
What is he supposed to do before a fight? Not talk himself up? Name a fighter with that mindset. You can’t. This was a huge step up for him and he went 25 minutes with a former champ. His biggest fight before this was Little Nog, whom he barely got by. This showed, although not in the most dynamic fashion, that he can hang with the top guys in his division. If he’s not getting flattened by Rashad at this stage in his career, and still learning and growing as a fighter, then he’s still in a position to make a name for himself and be a contender.
FarmerInTheCity - January 29, 2012
Bisping is a "winner"
No one except bad judges thought he won. He eroded a bit of Sonnen’s glamor. HE won’t be losing to Silva this summer and he will return to the Top five by year’s end with a victory over Okami.
A controversial loss can work for a fighter in the long run.
jackbox - January 29, 2012
Chael Sonnen landed more strikes then Bisping
Got more takedowns then Bisping, got more dominant positions then Bisping. How did he lose? Check the stats of the fight
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html
DarthKitty - January 29, 2012
to some people
taking someone down and doing nothing with it is equal to getting up off of your back and returning the fight to a standing position (on in Bisping’s case, without taking any damage). Both are mentioned in the URs as examples of “effective grappling”.
Bisping had Sonnen pinned against the cage for much longer than Sonnen had Bisping pinned to either the cage or floor.
I scored the fight a draw. Neither man was interested in doing much damage in the fight, it didn’t matter who landed more. There’s arguments for 29-28 either way imo. But having Bisping winning isn’t some unfathomable travesty.
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
However he said only bad judges would give it to Sonnen
When in reality the fight can be argued either way. Personally I think the fact that Chael Sonnen beat Bisping in both volume of strikes, volume of power strikes, and takedown effiency and prowess means he should get the nod
But the fact of the matter is, either way the person is not an idiot for showing his score
DarthKitty - January 29, 2012
I had this whole long drawn out response typed up. But it all amounted to saying it was a close fight. So I’ll just say that instead. Fight could have been 29-28 either way imo, or a draw (as I scored it last night).
Bisping did alot better against Sonnen than people thought he would (similar in that regards to Silva-Sonnen), and I think that’s driving alot of the post fight discussion.
The Lethal Haze - January 29, 2012
Crowd
So your rippin the live crowd for not being loud during 2 mostly boring fights what do you expect and sure as hell wasn’t dead while the true main event was goin on. I agree on the leaveing after the 3rd round i was saying the same thing last nite there is no excuss for that.
ChiTown1 - January 29, 2012
No. I'm saying they were losers because the main card sucked.
So they lost.
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
Chicago crowd are losers because they boo even 15 seconds of inactivity
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
and the cubs… dont forget the cubs.
Stanlee - January 29, 2012
That was pissing me off.
NickRingp4pGOAT - January 30, 2012
George Roop vs. Chan Sung Jung probably changed the course of the FW division
Roop gets a huge win and is one win from a title shot, instead he gets starched by Hominick, upsets Grispi on a TUF Finale, loses to Hioki and then starched by Cub. He’s probably a loss away from being cut.
KZ was 0-2 in his first two Zuffa fights, and became the first man to use the twister submission and then he puts up one of the fastest KOs in UFC history against Hominick. He could be in line for a title shot.
Quite amazing isn’t it?
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
It is actually.
On an off-topic note, i have a really hard time with what to make of the KZ. That twister was sick, but Garcia sucks to be honest. His performance against Hominick however, was truly impressive, if not for the fact that Hominick’s technique was awful, likely because he just lost his coach. (he really doesn’t leave himself open to counters like that). I think he is overrated now, and that he would probably get starched by the A-level fighters in the division. But ever since Faber and Florian left, and ever since Brown and Grispi deteriorated, who are the A-level fighters? Aldo, Mendes and possibly Hioki? I think the FW division is a lot weaker than i thought when the WEC got brought over.
Magaca - January 29, 2012
Poirier
dribblebib - January 29, 2012
Losers:
People responsible for the fighting surface in the cage. I said multiple times that the fighters were slipping all over, and Loretta Hunt said they were using zambonis in between fights.
Farthammer - January 29, 2012
Davis seemed to get the worst of it.
Magaca - January 29, 2012
Yes
He was sliding all over the place
taptomyarmbar - January 29, 2012
they're too afraid of people seeing that fighters bleed on the canvas
weak stuff
Cunny - January 29, 2012
Davis was ice skating out there.
NickRingp4pGOAT - January 30, 2012
It's a lot less simple than just "get back on the jiu jitsy mat".
First of all, Weidman is one of the slickest BJJ-players in the MW division. Yes i said it. Not wrestler, not grappler. Second of all, he is near impossible to take down.
And most importantly, Maia can’t win with the fans. Not us, but the casuals, and let’s be honest, they are the ones he hears and the ones that matter the most. When he takes a guy down, they immediately play D without looking for anything, which leads to “boring”, “lay’n’pray” performances from Maia (see: Grove, Miranda, Santiago). No wonder he tried to keep the fight on the feet to make it “exciting”. We see what happens to good guys who get on DWs boring list (Jon Madsen, Gerald Harris etc.). I understand Maia.
Magaca - January 29, 2012
Not impressed with Rashad?
No one has done that to Phil Davis. And I suspect that outside Jon Jones, no one else will for a long, long time. I can see wanting a finish, but that was exactly the kind of performance I’d expect from a #1 contender.
Simen - January 29, 2012
The prelims were solid as a rock, but you have to think that the main card was worst case scenario for the UFC. It was NOT an exciting night of fights which is what needs to be on Fox. Fuck having important title eliminator fights on Fox, they need to put exciting fights on that will entice people who have never bought a UFC PPV to pony up the dough. Last night certainly didn’t do it.
FightFansRadio - January 29, 2012
Nate Diaz is fighting on the next FOX show
So it’s automatically better.
SSreporters - January 29, 2012
I agree 100%
I’ve been arguing on air that the UFC is going to have to learn how to book fights for Fox because they can’t approach it the same way they have in the past. Btw, WAR DIAZ.
FightFansRadio - January 29, 2012
They aren't treating Fox how they should treat Fox
Since their business model is still PPV, they won’t make the adjustment to put guys like GSP/Anderson/Jones on free tv. And no one will give a shit about Dominick Cruz/Jose Aldo/Frankie Edgar if those fights are booked.
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
Come on Matthew, Aldo is one of the most dynamic guys in the sport. Can you imagine boxing with no weight class below 175? No Pryor, Hearns or Duran? The smaller guys need more exposure, not less.
sheikybaby - January 29, 2012
This isn't a matter of I don't like Aldo.
It’s a matter of a casual audience wants recognizable names. With the network deal the PPVs should be building the Fox/FX/Fuel cards. Not the other way around.
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
The 300k-Viewership cards should build the X-million-cards?
How does that work?
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
There is only one thing that matters to Fox/FX/Fuel
that’s ratings. They don’t care about anything else except ratings. The UFC can’t book fights that have the potential to be boring as hell on Fox. And Fox will want title fights. And you can’t say ‘oh here’s dominick cruz.’
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
This past card was full of recognisable names to existing fans.
Do casuals watching Fox know who those fighters are? No. They could have put the “no names” on the undercard in the main event and likely done better ratings since those fights were more exciting.
UncleMax - January 29, 2012
Still doesn't explain your premise
What is the niche-viewership of a 300k PPV gonna do in building up a FOX-show? That’s like saying saying they should book adverts on Bellator to push their FOX-events. Plus: This card was pretty stacked (the FOX-part), was injury-stricken which changed the way the first two fights went significantly (esp. Bisping – Maia would’ve been WAY different) and even now, nobody could’ve predicted it would go down like it did.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
Amen to that. Either Diaz brother having a fight all but guarantees a 15 to 25 minute adrenaline surge for anyone watching it.
sheikybaby - January 29, 2012
I bet they're not as flexible as we think
Their contract probably stipulates something like “all main-event fighters need to be Top 10” or something like that. Plus the fact they need to save the best for PPV and the timing/injury-stuff it’s probably pretty hard to put together the “perfect” FOX-card. Also: Maia vs Weidman plus Sonnen Bisping was born out of injury and Bisping Maia would’ve looked nothing like this. Sonnen vs. Munoz probably not as well.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
Agree that last night didn't do it...
But what did anyone expect other than this? 80% of people (8 out of 12) called a Weidman upset via his wrestling. 100% of people called a Chael UD via wrestling and Rashad vs. Davis was a battle of the wrestlers from the start. I’m with Roth that if the idea of the Fox deal was to go mainstream and build the casual fan base, they need exciting fights and recognisable fighters RE: the Fox Debut.
And definitely WAR DIAZ!
ThatsHowIRoll - January 29, 2012
English math aside, that’s not true. 68% of the BE Civil War camp and 61% overall on MMA Playground picked Maia.
wonderfulspam - January 29, 2012
Man, BE is terrible at percentages.
Body Triangle - January 29, 2012
I was just making my point...
That a lot of people expected Weidman to exercise his wrestling in a potential snoozefest.
And when it comes to percentages, we are definitely no Chael Sonnen
ThatsHowIRoll - January 29, 2012
And a lot of people (myself included and at least a few members of staff)
Expected fireworks. Hindsight is 20/20 and sometimes the way a fight played out seems incredibly obvious (eg. if we’d known Maia apparently sucks now, we’d pick Weidman) but it’s downright wrong to suggest that most people thought it would be a boring fight.
wonderfulspam - January 29, 2012
"He's essentially Melvin Guillard with a better cage IQ and without the ridiculous knock out power."
Umm what? Did you base this on anything besides both being athletic and black? Ridiculous comparison
I understand there are a lot of articles to put out after an event but my oh my has the quality deteriorated around here
KidCanada - January 29, 2012
yeah this is just sad
alxn - January 29, 2012
Really? You don't see a guy who repeatedly stopped a 3x All American's takedowns?
And was speedy with a crisp combinations. You didn’t see that? My bad man. Guess you weren’t watching the fights on Fuel.
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
A guy can’t compare one black fighter to another without ppl interperting it as racist?
thuggis - January 29, 2012 via mobile
It's impossible right?
Guess I can’t say ‘Mike Russow is similar to Matt Hughes except fatter and knockout power.’ since that too would be racist right?
Matthew Roth - January 29, 2012
Very racist
Chris Hall - January 29, 2012
Did I say it was racist?
I said it’s a comparison you made comparing fighter A’s skill set to fighter B’s skill set because of their skin color…and it’s obvious
“He’s essentially Melvin Guillard…” Do you even proofread your work or have anyone else look at it? My main point is how obviously this site has regressed in terms of writing quality…and again, it’s obvious.
KidCanada - January 29, 2012
They are very quick athletes that train together at the same camp, compete in the same weight class, have a wrestling base, defensive jiu jitsu liabilities, and a win against Shane Roller by outstriking him.
Why are you focusing so much on them both being black?
pdl - January 29, 2012
Comparing a guy who has some similar skills to another guy, who fought recently and is very well known and lamented for his defects
For a start, sounds like you’re trolling anyway, besides the similar training and previous opponents
UK MMA MAN - January 29, 2012
I'm saying there's nothing wrong with that comparison, and arguing that is provocative
UK MMA MAN - January 29, 2012
Loser: The Production
And people thought it couldn’t get more corny than “Gladiator-Man”. Then the “Real Steel”-MMA-Robots came up…better to sell action-figures, I guess.
KGNLuc - January 29, 2012
This.
Not only the corny robot graphics wtf was that reel steel. The overall production was a mess I said this last night Menefee has no business on the broadcast between him Couture and Jones Squirming in his seat and constantly looking at his notes that shit looked like a 3 stooges routine. The only person who came off as professional was Couture and he was still hampered by Menfee and Jones the whole thing was atrocious idk about a B-/C+ for this card without the undercard only counting the fox fights/production I give it a D.
nickrodamous - January 29, 2012
Bisping would have eaten Maia alive.
Ubernoober - January 29, 2012
This
ThatsHowIRoll - January 29, 2012
In retrospect
I think Bisping will regret holding Sonnen against the cage for so long, when they separated he seemed to land more in the exchanges. I think he just felt a little overwhelmed by Sonnen constantly swarming him when there was any distance between them hence the grappling against the fence. If he’d backed off more at the fence and let shots go from range he’d have won the fight.
taptomyarmbar - January 30, 2012
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