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UFC Faced With Chance to Up Their Marketing Game in the Wake of Brock Lesnar's Retirement

Photo: Esther Lin / MMAFighting.com

Photo: Esther Lin / MMAFighting.com

With Brock Lesnar's retirement following his UFC 141 loss to Alistair Overeem, many are wondering if there's a way for the UFC to make up for the business being lost. In the second part of Luke Thomas' interview with Dave Meltzer, Luke asked if Lesnar's impact was long term or just a brief shot in the arm for UFC business.

Dave's response:

There are people he brought in who grew, who appreciated and became sustainable fans. The vast majority of that I would say is not the case. I'll give you a perfect example. If tomorrow, something happens and Georges St. Pierre retires and he's got all this Canadian fanbase. I would guarantee you that, some of those fans will stay, but most of those fans will also be gone because that's what happens in every sport. Just like with Ali in boxing. When Ali left, yeah, he made a ton of fans for boxing but how many of them really stayed for Larry Holmes? Not that many. I think in team sports, it's different. I think in team sports, they sustain better. In individual sports, I notice the kind of guys whether it's Tiger Woods or Ali that swell the audience for those sports, when those guys are gone, yeah, they did help the sport, but most of the audience that they swelled, they're gone when the star is gone and I think that's gonna be the same thing with Brock. I think that the vast majority of people that he brought to pay-per-view, I don't think they'll buy another pay-per-view. Some will buy every pay-per-view though.

Using Ali and Holmes is a bit of a problem though. Ali was a rare superstar personality, but his career had foes like Liston, Foreman, Frazier and Norton, rivals who allowed for something more than Ali to simply be a "big mouth." Holmes never had quite that same level of big name rival other than maybe Michael Spinks. Post-Ali the overall quality of the division was down, it wasn't just that no one cared because Holmes wasn't Ali.

If anything Lesnar may have been more of a Tyson, a guy who was the entire attraction for a large segment of fans. Post-Lesnar, the UFC heavyweight division isn't a wasteland. In fact, with the addition of the Strikeforce heavyweights it will be the strongest heavyweight division in the history of any promotion.

But this all raises the ultimate question facing the UFC: Are they ever going to embrace really marketing guys as unique? Lesnar was something more than just "a UFC fighter" because of his background. To many fans the majority of the roster just feels like interchangeable pieces.

Star-divide

I love the UFC and they've done things so well that it is to the point where no one can argue against Zuffa being good for MMA. But I really feel like the marketing is in a rut. I talked about it back in October when I was on Press Row with Jordan Breen, but it feels like they're reluctant to truly establish many fighters as special. They're embracing it with Jon Jones to a degree, but does it seem like the UFC sells a guy like Jose Aldo, who is the dominant featherweight force in the world with a thirteen fight win streak is sold as particularly special or unique in a way that goes beyond the same way that they marketed Mauricio Rua when he had the title? They were just both "feared Brazilian strikers" and little more other than little tidbits of their personal stories.

It just feels like few men are treated like actual stars in the UFC's marketing efforts now and that transfers over into the public perception (as is the point of marketing, I suppose). When Aldo faces Chad Mendes I'm sure we'll hear a bit about how Aldo is really good, but we'll go right into the recycled "if you were going to build a fighter to beat the champ, this is the guy you would build" shtick.

Going back to the start of when the UFC boom started, it was Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz and Randy Couture filling the superstar roles. They were each great fighters, but they were also three unique and identifiable personalities. Did the marketing of them as special go off the rails at times? Sure. The UFC 43 ring walk for Liddell was ridiculously over the top, but when the generally soft spoken Couture beat him it was the start of Randy's real rise to a star. And that's somewhat evident when you look at UFC 43 drawing a buyrate of 49,000 and then UFC 44 with the unification bout between Couture and Ortiz drawing 94,000 buys and UFC 46 with Couture against Vitor Belfort doing 80,000. If anything, that old school moment should teach the UFC that it's okay to market a guy as something more than just "really good" because his opponent can gain a lot if he pulls off the win over someone sold as truly special.

Lesnar leaving means that the UFC is lacking in fighters that the public is going to find truly unique. It's time for the marketing team to open the playbook a little bit and find the willingness to start pushing the best the promotion has as more than just "wrestlers" "strikers" or "dangerous."

2011 was the first down period in a long time for the promotion (partly because of injuries to the very few mainstream stars) and they should view it as an opportunity and a challenge to do what the UFC has always done and up their game.

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The UFC is just wary of descentralizing the spotlight.

If a fighter gets cut, they take some of it with them, and it may be perceived t be bad for their business given how much of the UFC’s media push is put on the brand and not for the fighters.

I mean, there’s this whole shpiel being repeated for some eyars now of “If you don’t fight for the UFC you cannot be the best in the world,” and then last friday Ubereem mauled Brock Lesnar.

I think it's less that a fighter gets cut,

But that they leave and go to another promotion. The only way I can see that changing is that the UFC feels that they have such a stranglehold on the American market that there is no promotion that could conceivably outbid them for a fighter they had invested a substantial amount of money to hype.

I can see your point.
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The UFC brand is first and foremost. No one fighter is above the UFC.

At least that’s how the UFC has played it. I think this is hurting them. It’s almost as if they are afraid of the potential for fighters to become true mainstream superstars. It just means less control on their part. Less control = less power. And right now, they can do what they want. They can sideline a fighter for months or relegate them to the undercard as punishment. They can fire fighters, rehire them, they can force them to sign likeness rights, etc. The more I become a fan of MMA, the more I am starting to wonder if there is some truth to the idea that the UFC wants MMA to grow but within a manageable point, and not be the biggest sport in the world. If the latter happens, with superstars coming up, chances are they will lose a good bit of their authority over the sport. I can’t remember, but I believe there was an article on BE a year or so ago pondering that same thing.

I shake my head when people say this

Sorry.. I just don’t think people who say this understand marketing (“nobody is about the brand”). The UFC just hasn’t been great at humanizing their fighters beyond your cookie cutter “Dude grew up in a small town, has kids, did drugs before, loves his disabled cousin, drinks protein shakes, likes swinging a sledgehammer at a tire, cuts weight, kisses his fiance, was in the military”. It’s like there’s a big-board of traits that they reference, instead of determining what about these individuals makes them human. But they try. They do try. They’ve just tried and failed.

Sorry.. I just don’t think people who say this understand marketing (“nobody is about the brand”). The UFC just hasn’t been great at humanizing their fighters beyond your cookie cutter “Dude grew up in a small town, has kids, did drugs before, loves his disabled cousin, drinks protein shakes, likes swinging a sledgehammer at a tire, cuts weight, kisses his fiance, was in the military”. It’s like there’s a big-board of traits that they reference, instead of determining what about these individuals makes them human. But they try. They do try. They’ve just tried and failed.I hope this turnover and their relationship with FOX helps them make a larger step. Sound bites about the fight alone and some poorly shot footage of a guy making a papaya shake on his kitchen counter just does not resonate with people.

Double post is not my fault

Blame Kid Nate.

Blaming Nate is always going to get you a rec.
I have to agree

I’d love to see specials that focus on guys training camps; kind of like Hard Knocks for MMA. You could get fans emotionally invested by showing how hard guys work, maybe introduce them to some upcoming fighters that are in the same camp. Have coaches walk the audience through some of the techniques to work in some education so fans know what they’re seeing in fights. There’s a lot the UFC could do to create an emotional investment in fighters.

I thought this too. Instead of a single fighter, feature a ‘team’ like Jacksons or Blackzillians. Some of the gyms do this already on youtube with little feature vids, but it’d go a long way towards making fans more nfl/nba type loyal if the UFC also promoted this way.

You have a good point.

While the UFC marketing has been pretty good up until now, they utterly fail at humanizing their fighters. It’s actually gotten very stale. They need some new blood when it comes to their marketing. But I still maintain the UFC doesn’t want any one fighter to overshadow their brand. I have no proof of this of course, just a hunch.

I dont disagree.

I will say, it is pretty clear the importance placed on the UFC brand. The good thing is, this new deal with Fox has a chance to really improve the marketing across the board. For example, the gladiator intro is going by the wayside in favor of a better intro. This is something Fox pushed and Zuffa accepted. I believe Fox will have a bigger role than people realize in the final product.

They need to find a balance between the two

The NFL is the NFL, and the Packers are the Packers, and Aaron Rogers is Aaron Rogers. A hugely popular sporting league, the most popular team, and a huge star. They all go together. There’s no reason why there can’t be huge stars along with the huge brand that is the UFC.

I shake my head when people say this

The UFC actually does a great job at marketing….the goal of the dept. is to market the brand….not the individual fighters. Fighters come and go, what the marketing people want is for the brand to be ubiquitous….or synonymous with MMA in the mind of a casual fan or just a regular sports fan. In this respect, ZUFFA has done a fantastic job marketing. Think about it—how large of a proportion of non-hardcore fans don’t know the difference between UFC and MMA?

Building stars means short-term paydays while building the brand is thinking long term profits.

We're not discussing their successes as a promotional entity

It’s evident how well they’ve done at that (despite possibly suffering from an inability to perform the sort of relationship engineering that would facilitate keeping fans of individual fighters, well after those fighters have moved along). We’re discussing their ineptitude in promoting fighters as individuals while clearly attempting and failing at it. I think they’re perfectly aware of these shortcomings. The question is; what will they do to remedy it?

I understood your point

and I still disagree…. My point was that they are half-ass attempting to promote individuals (maybe a little more whole-assed very recently). Doing so to any greater degree would not benefit them in the long term.

I'm glad you understand just how much we disagree, then

Building a brand will increase your minimum, but it takes a star like Lesnar, GSP, Mayweather, or Pacquiao to move PPVs.

All of those big stars they mentioned

Weren’t Zuffa made. Chuck, Tito, and Randy were pre Zuffa. Since Zuffa has been behind the reigns they have pushed three things Xyence, TUF, and the UFC brand. I think they are concerned about people getting too big and they have another BJ Penn and Randy issue where people threaten to take their titles to other organizations.

Maybe now that they own everyone that will all change. GSP is an anomaly because it was he who hired a major PR agent to get him big sponsorships and exposure in Canada not Zuffa. They have to look at pro wrestling more and learn how to transfer “Heat” they could have done this big time with Overeem but going into it I had to hear from so many people, “who is this guy, is he good?” Instead of pushing Reem enough they were more focused on letting people know the fight was on a Friday and whether Xbox worked or not.

That is just my opinion.

And...

That’s the problem. The presentation of the fighters is dry, and the only personality that is allowed to be on display is Asshole and/or Nice Guy. I’m not suggesting a WWE style character creation (Really, I promise I’m not!), but how’s about letting them wear things besides some NASCAR looking shirt, or a little more pop on their entrances. Champions deserve a flashy entrance, but if you were a noob watching at a bar, for instance, it’d be hard to tell champ from challenger. Aggressive marketing to outsider venues wouldn’t hurt either. The ZUFFA stick up the butt over youtube is killing them, as well. Have A Nice Day!

Hey man Larry Holmes fight against Cooney was as big as all but 4 or 5 of Ali’s superfights. What i’d like to see in the UFC is for Dana White to be more gracious post fight when the guy he wants to win loses, and not spend the entire post-fight press conference with a sour puss on like he did after Overeem battered Brock and after Junior Dos Santos flattened Velasquez. It took the gloss off those guys big nights and made White look like a spoiled 12 year old who didn’t get what he wanted for christmas.

The Cooney hype and success as an event was based purely on white folks thinking a propped up tomato can was going to win the belt, and give them a white champ. I’m a white guy, so I’m not trying to be racist. But we’ve seen it since…Tommy Morrison, Peter McNeely, need I continue?

Clooney wasn't really a can

He had beaten Young, Norton, and Lyle beforehand and gave Holmes a respectable fight (for most of it at least). He was a good boxer just not a championship level fighter when came down to it.

True…I guess he wasn’t a can, I reckon there wasn’t anyody going to beat Holmes back then. Excellent point and I stand corrected.

People forget

when Ali made his return after his banishment in the late 60’s, he couldn’t fill a small arena in his first fight back. Fans are fickle, and it takes awhile to build up an attraction, even “The Greatest”.

Upping the ante in marketing

The UFC needs to learn a thing or two from some of their fighters when it comes to producing interesting pieces on its fighters.

Look at The Reem series/doc that Overeem’s people shot and assembled. It’s very well done, tells a story, and it held my interest. It certainly helps that Overeem is a charismatic, well spoken fighter but this type of marketing could be employed by the UFC on many other fighters to give them a “bump” that will only help PPV sales.

How much do you think it cost to put together a single episode of The Reem?

It's now wonder Dana was looking as sick as a parrot after 141

The crossover between the type of demographic that Brock can rep. and where the UFC has the potential to earn most popularity, was almost too perfect. In regards to an entirely different demographic – boy do the UFC need Nick Diaz to win his fight! Now more than ever.

Think about how terrible the the UFC hw division would have been if they didnt purchase strikeforce.

Not that terrible. JDS, Cain, Mir, Nog, etc.

Nog? The fact that Nog is the 4th name you can come up with exactly proves his point.

Alls I gottta say is this.....

….no one fighter is bigger or greater than the UFC. Not Couture, not Fedor and certainly not Brock. The UFC got to where they’re at w/o Brock and will continue to rise w/o him. Will they miss him? Sure, absolutely. Will they survive? Hell fucking yea they will.

…it feels like they’re reluctant to truly establish many fighters as special.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that the reason for this is closeness of the UFC’s marketing scheme to that of the WWE’s: never let any individual become bigger than the brand. It is for this reason you see so much of both DW and Vince McMahon in either product.

This makes sense in a way though....

As soon as the fighter becomes bigger than the brand you risk them branching out to self-promotion ala De La Hoya, which leads to where boxing is eventually. That wouldnt be a good thing.

I believe it was Hulk Hogan who was allowed to become ‘bigger than the brand’ while in the WWF that was the impetus for such a strategy.

And UFC needs Alistair to win

Dos Santos is just boring outside the cage, boring looks boring character and is yet another brazilian. Overeem on the other side has the looks and character of a superstar. UFC must love Overeem, no trouble maker, very outspoken , marketable and how he advertises the UFC in his lastest Reem episode saying “I worked for all the big organisations from Pride to Strikeforce and UFC is head and shoulders above the others”. Dana must be very happy and I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot from Lesnar’s audience got interested in Overeem. If Overeem takes out Dos Santos I would say a new superstar is born.

Dave Meltzer said that historically only a small fraction of fans gets “transferred” from the losing fighter to the winner.

I think that one of the biggest factors is that they are not getting on highlight packages in espn, NBC, Fox … If a random NFL running back has a huge run it might be shown 15 times during sportscenter , Johnny Hendrix’s knockout should have such exposure. I am not sure if the UFC won’t give out highlight reels or what …Until they have all their highlights in rotation they are at a plateau growth wise .. Fox might help but it has a long long way to go. How to get in the rotation ? More exposure .. Fox is huge advertisement for them but until the network contracts can subsidize ppv’s the sport will only be so big… The tough sell of 100 a month for escentially 6hrs of programming limits your customer and your add value as to cause a extremely low ceiling for overall growth ..We will indeed see if Fox and the UFC can work it to reach those numbers …

Jon Jones > Brock Lesnar... Both inside & outside the octagon

Brock brought over the wrestling fans who followed him, and maybe a few knuckle draggers who bought into his “baddest man on the planet” shtick.. However, it’s that type of character that is hurting the UFC / MMA from going truly mainstream in the sports-world. What they’ve done with Jon Jones when he does his media tour on ESPN or goes on the late night talk shows he stresses how people need to understand that MMA is a sport filled with talented, dedicated, highly skilled athletes from all over the world & that the best fighters in the world fight under the UFC banner… Brock only knew how to promote himself. Jon Jones is articulate & intelligent enough to transcend the sport, Brock is just a character.

There's no comparison to be made between Brock and Jones

Jones couldn’t draw flies. The only thing keeping him going is the UFC hype train and the opponents he’s facing. Brock could draw a crowd, wherever he was competing.

Ufc needs 2 loosn up!

The last dvd I bought was Brock vs Cain.Thinkn it would be as xcitn as the live event,but was sorely dissapointed. The walk out theme songs were not the same1’s they originaly walkd out to etc. The behind the scene xtras were short n boring. Dana n co. need to loosen their control n not just carbon copy all their shows as much. Comparing that to my collection of Pride n Strikeforce shows pre Zuffa the ufc’s pale in comparison. I won’t be buying any Ufc dvds anytime soon.

Well pointed. Well written.

I believe the mentality of “brand over individual fighter” marketing that served well during these years of strong domestic competition still lingers. But the purchase of Strikeforce swept CBS’s ability to promote a viable competitor and left FOX and the UFC with the only realistic visibility of the sport. By the time Bellator on Spike rolls around, “UFC” will be so instilled in people’s minds that they will be calling the fights on Spike “UFC”. Especially since Spike will continue to advertise the brand.

I don’t think the marketing tactics will change in 2012, though. I think FOX will refine Zuffa’s genius branding work (how many time have you heard someone calling MMA “Ultimate Fighting” or ‘UFC"), and really work on the three letters- U.F.C. just like “NFL” or “NBA” are synonymous with their sports. I think that will be done in one year’s time. Pay attention next time you see a commercial, or an announcer pitch during another sport’s game, or a talk show on Fuel, or a fight card on FX. Every single one will have top focus on the word “UFC” in the name of it. “UFC on Fox”. “UFC Tonight”. “UFC on FX”. etc. They all begin with “UFC” and the brand is spoken first.

I forgot where I was going with this. I saw a shiny thing,.,,,oooo….

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