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UFC on Fox 2 Results: Demian Maia Loses His Way And The Fight

Photo by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.

Photo by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.

In 2007, Demian Maia entered the UFC fresh off his gold medal at Abu Dhabi Combat Club Submission Grappling World Championship, the most competitive no gi competition in the world. In two years, Maia cut through the division with a 5-0 record using an fighting style focused completely on Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Maia wanted to show the MMA world that he could win fights without throwing a single strike.

Maia would take opponent's down or if he was unable to score a takedown, pull guard and look to sweep. Once on top Maia would aggressively work for dominant positions and then submission finishes. But last night against Chris Weidman, another elite grappler, Maia only looked interested in throwing haymaker left hands. When Weidman scored a takedown Maia established his guard and then looked Herb Dean to ask for a stand up. Clearly something had changed.

The path that lead the Brazilian to abandon his greatest strength can be traced back to his loss to former UFC fighter Nate Marquardt. The fight ended after just twenty-one seconds with an epic counter right hand KO that punished Maia for throwing a lazy leg kick. It was a devastating defeat for Maia, who was gaining serious momentum towards a title shot at the time. The impact of this loss was serious for Maia, but many also saw it as an indictment of his grappling focused approach.

The next time MMA fans saw Maia, he was facing fellow Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt Dan Miller. To the mild surprise of those watching, Maia boxed his way to a decision win. The win would eventually earn Maia a title shot when Vitor Belfort was forced to withdraw from his title fight. Maia would be completely outclassed on the feet by Anderson Silva, unable to close distance or land strikes.

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Since then Maia's success as been inconsistent, and no longer focused on grappling. His reaction to the Marquardt and Silva losses was to begin training with Wanderlei Silva to improve his striking. While this seems like a reasonable response to his struggles in those matches, it would remove what made Maia a difficult match up. In MMA, being different in terms of approach or tactics is a huge advantage. Maia's willingness to pull guard and use upper level competitive grappling techniques in the cage was intimidating and difficult to replicate in the gym.

But the more Maia focused on his striking, the more he failed to update his grappling. In any competitive sport, from baseball to submission grappling there is one motto: "adapt or die". Once enough film is out on an athlete, their tendencies will become known and they will be forced to adapt their game to continue to succeed. But with Maia's focus so firmly fixed on his striking his grappling stopped evolving.

This was never more evident than in the Mark Munoz fight. Maia had early success with his striking but when Munoz adjusted and the fight hit the mat. And then, there was Maia attempting the same half guard sweep he had used in 2009 against Nate Quarry and when Munoz seemed prepared to stuff that sweep, Maia did not have an answer. He was able to create scrambles and threaten a submission on Munoz, but the fight was lost for a failure to adapt both on the feet and on the mat.

That pattern repeated itself at UFC on Fox 2. While there are some mutterings of Maia being ill the night of the fight against Weidman, but his utter disinterest in grappling is a sobering sign for his career going forward. Now grappling prowess is not something a man simply looses like stat decay in a video game, this is an issue with preparation and training leading up the fight. If Maia put his mind to it, he certainly could restructure his fight camps and return to rolling roots. That said, he is now 34-years-old, at the end of his physical prime, and his time as an elite middleweight is running out fast, if not already over. Maia's reaction to this loss will define the latter part of his career.

One path Maia could take is rather than working on his striking, begin to work on his ability to close distance and enter the clinch, a position from which he does have strong takedowns. Help reform his MMA game to enhance his grappling abilities rather than lead him away could keep Maia a relevant UFC Middleweight for years to come. Or he could end up in the dustbin of history as yet another grappler who feel in love his striking.

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It just makes me wonder why many of us see it

and why the athlete’s don’t. What process do some of these folks have that make them think this lack of success is due to something else?

Their corners too

I don’t get it. Like in the Shields fight when they were telling him not to take it to the ground. Are they not being honest with their guy and just telling them what they think they want to hear or what?

Shields was beating the shit out of GSP standing

He has K-1 level eyepokes.

I remember that

“Should I pull guard?”

“Not yet.”

Efffffffffffff, what the hell? That was some dumb advice.

It is really unfortunate. I’m glad to see a fighter like Gabriel Gonzaga returning to his grappling/BJJ roots, and I can only hope that Maia does the same. Maia’s striking is decent at best but generally not that good, and it would best be used as a way to initiate his grappling instead of being used to try and win MMA bouts.
Against Santiago, he used his takedowns and tried to pass guard but was unsuccessful at passing. Maybe against Weidman, he thought that he couldn’t get the takedown on such a high level wrestler, so he decided to stand with him.

I think it comes from a training/competition divide

Lots of guys, particularly grapplers who adapt to striking, seem like they are striking beasts in the gym. Everyone reinforces them, they can hit pads like crazy etc. But they are lacking in that sort of natural, comfortable fluidity that separates functional strikers from the elite when the fight actually happens in the cage.

What makes it worse is to improve the fighters striking the coaches need to build up their confidence level in their hands. Its hard to do that and still give them an honest assessment on their relative strengths and weaknesses.

The only thing I wonder

Is why everyone thinks they know more than the athletes themselves.

Some of us

used to be/still are athletes. Regardless, we can all see the results.

That doesn't matter

Being an athlete doesn’t make you any closer to being Demian Maia, or any other specific athlete.

Of course everyone can see the results. That’s why it’s so silly that people pretend to have special insight based solely on what is available to everyone.

so no athlete can ever be criticized ever for how they prepared?

or the strategies they use?

ever?

Of course

In useful or interesting ways, none of which I’m seeing in the comment section, just a lot of “Use yer joo jit soo dummy!”. Tends to happen when people, again, believe they have something to contribute but lack any new information or perspective.

Any clown in the world can repeat the standard storyline with slightly different phrasing, but I guess I should just avoid what’s after the end of articles if I don’t want to see a lot of that.

ok I can understand that

you only want fair and justified criticism.

like

HEY DUMMY, REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE WINNING? TRY DOING MORE OF THAT, LESS OF THE STUFF YOU’RE DOING NOW THAT YOU’RE NOT

good point

I felt exactly the same way watching Maia fight on Saturday. I understand why he’s worked hard to improve his striking but I fail to see what his game plan to win the fight was. Surely he didn’t think he was going to get the KO on Weidman? Planned out outpointing him like he did Miller?

I sat in the United Center so disappointedly...

The fight hit the ground & I was super excited cause in my head, that’s Maia time.

And then he did the ‘hold the top fighter close & look at the ref with sad puppy dog eyes in hopes of a stand up’ move. And at that moment, all the wind left my sails.

Man, that sucked.

My guess

is that Maia watched Weidman’s match with Andre Galvao in the ADCCs and realized there was no way he was going to submit him in the five-minute-round format.

Weidman had incredible hips and was nearly unsweepable, much less unsubmittable, and the ADCCs were a sub-grappling format. In MMA, you gotta get past the striking phases and land the takedown, which eats up the clock. Maia was never getting a takedown agsinst Weidman. He would have had to clinch and pull guard, giving him a very short amount of time to work from his back against a grappler with outstanding defense (in a format where judges give the round to the guy who stays on top).

I think Maia figured he had a better chance winning a decision on his feet. I have to agree.

The real issue I have is with how absolutely shit his cardio was.

I’m 100% with you. Whatever choices he could’ve made regarding his ground game, he made many fights ago. Maybe he could’ve stuck exclusively to developing his guard and maybe he would’ve figured out a way to adapt it to MMA like no one else has.

But that’s far from a guarantee, and he chose to develop his striking instead. If he’d gone with the ground game and lost to Munoz and Weidman anyway, then we’d be talking about how he should’ve worked on his striking.

This is being very overlooked

Maia’s striking didn’t lose him this fight. His conditioning did.

Brilliantly put, O judonerd

I was saying the same thing watching the fight with my buddies. Maia’s striking isn’t the greatest, but it looked so much sharper in the Munoz fight (didn’t that win him round 1?). I don’t recall seeing him deteriorate that quickly before though, which is why I thought there was some injury or sickness and he didn’t want to pull out of the fight since it was on teevee and DFW would have been pissed.

Either way, it was just embarrassing. Probably Maia’s worst performance.

Maybe Maia isn’t that good on the ground and the guys he submitted were just terrible at jiu jitsu. There’s always that thought.

he wouldn't have been so successful at the ADCC's if that was the case.

Andre Galvao, Vionny Magalhaes, Dean Lister, all great at ADCC, not so great in MMA.

similar circumstances.

okay, I see what you're trying to say.

You didn’t make it clear initially that you meant his BJJ in an MMA setting.

I think he did the right thing in improving his striking to make himself more well rounded, which the guys you mentioned haven’t really done. But he’s let his at one time amazing BJJ sit to the side while he tries to be a kickboxer.

And he is so clearly not a kickboxer.

Not sure if serious...

First sentence: "…fresh off his gold medal at Abu Dhabi Combat Club Submission Grappling World Championship, the most competitive no gi competition in the world. "

That was in 2007, not very fresh.

He beat Ricardo Almeida’s younger brother who is famously known for losing to Demian Maia at <88kg.

He also beat

Jacare, Braulio Estima, Gabriel Gonzaga, and Margarida and has a list of black belt titles as long as your arm. Just because Maia picked a shit gameplan doesn’t mean his JJ sucks.

Jason Macdonald

has pretty solid BJJ.

that's easily my favorite Demian Maia fight.

One of my top 5 favorite fights period.

Herman was pretty game as well

He might not have the grappling credentials, but tooling him on the ground isn’t anything to stiff at.

Probably my favorite sub

Rolling into a mounted triangle with a red-faced, unconscious Herman being punched in the face. Jaw dropping stuff.

the anazing part to me

Was that you could see his exceptional grappling prowess at work when he used it to stand up, instead of sweeping and going for the submission totally baffling to me

This is what so many people are ignoring

every time he stood up, he did it quickly and got the rear clinch

then he would separate and strike

best opportunities he had in the whole fight

exactly

I was screaming at my TV everytime

Sure

But it was a stupid thing to do.

I think what’s happened is that Maia lost faith in his guard somewhere along the way. Instead of choosing to develop his guard game further, he decided it wasn’t worth the trouble and sort of stagnated at a high level, and worked on his striking while the UFC threw better and better grapplers at him.

We can sit here and say it was a bad idea, but who knows if working on his guard would’ve yielded better results. Maybe Weidman would’ve just knocked him out.

I think the Anderson Silva fight made him a completely different fighter and not for the better.

I think it was clearly the Marquardt KO...
I think it was Nate that did it to him
This reminds me...

of Jorge Gurgel. All I ever heard about the dude was that he was some BJJ phenom, but all I ever saw was his terrible stand-up.

Gurgel should be a cautionary tale

Young fighters should take a note from Gurgel and Maia. If you’ve got elite skills in one area, use them. I’m all for improving skills in other areas, but don’t shed what got you there in the first place.

Two words - KJ Noons

Or is that technically three?

Oh, and possibly two more – “ref stoppage fail”.

Okay, that’s DEFINITELY three.

To be fair to Jorge, he had a knee wrecked by Imanari and the other one injured later as well.

He basically cannot shoot in at all.

i think what it comes down to for a lot of guys is not wanting to lose at their own game.

What I do not understand

is that for all this talk about him working on his striking, he cannot throw a jab properly.

How can this be?

Did the same thing happen to him that happened to Brock Lesnar? What I mean is, Brock’s striking was the best when he was very first working on it, and when all he really knew was how to throw a right cross. People like Maia and Lesnar, because they are so dangerous on the ground, don’t need to know much striking other than jab and cross, and how to use those two simple punches to close distance.

It’s like they are not learning how to use stand up to get the fight where they want it to be. Instead, they try to learn all kinds of striking tools. They don’t need a bunch of tools. Jab, cross, maybe learn a leg kick. That is enough.

It’s better, when you are miles ahead of everyone else in one area, to just keep focusing on that one area. When you learn other things, only learn a few tools. Concentrate on figuring out how to use those tools to get the fight to your strengths.

Maia’s striking was the best in that Jim Miller fight. Not only did it fail to improve, it got worse after that. Brock’s striking was best in the Heath Herring fight, then got worse every fight after. Too many tools, not enough putting things together.

Demian Maia is a cautionary tale in learning to appropriately throw leg kicks.
*Dan Miller

But good points nonetheless.

IMO he knew what he was doing

He probably knew his cardio sucked due to whatever and had to avoid a grueling ground-war with someone as competent as Weidman. Instead he tried to pace himself and outpoint his opponent.

that's logical...

but then again, he was totally gassed at the end of the fight anyway. May as well have gassed-out doing what he’s best at.

I have renewed sympathy

for sick or injured fighters. Dealing with a massive head cold at one of the worst possible times in my life right now, I try and imagine that I have a nationally televised fight coming on and trying to fight with it. It sounds like an honest to god nightmare. I think we all hate to hear excuses, and no one wants to see a fight called because of a cold. But man, I got nothing. If he was sick, hey, hats off to him. He went in there and took his beating like a man. In my current state I feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt.

These days, if you are injured or sick and you decide to go through with the fight, you are going to have to live with sounding like a whiner if you lose if you tell people you were sick, or have people think you suck and trash you all over the webs when you get beat down. Oh well, better do great next fight.

I guess the formula is: take your beating, then after you win your next fight, describe the injury or sickness, but not until you have another good win or two!

I think admitting to being sick or injured when questioned is fine

Big Nog is pretty much the example of how not to do. His losses to Mir sound like bad sportsmanship masquerading as excuses.

Maia’s always seemed like a gentleman though, I don’t think anyone would begrudge him being sick so long as he comes up with something tasty next fight.

first time it was dragged out him

second not so much

you're in a tough spot if you're sick

say nothing, and look like crap. say something, and look like a whiner.

i’m not sure what the right answer is. something like, “Full credit to X, but I was battling Y and not at my best. I hope I get another shot at him sometime.”

Seeing Demian get taken down and then almost immediately look to Herb Dean to ask for a stand up was the most bizarro thing in the world. You want to get stood up so you can continue to throw terribly predictable strikes? You’re on national tv… You are one of the best in BJJ in MMA. Showcase your BJJ!

Something tells me Maia's athletic peak has hit a wall

Which is part of the reason he’s declined so badly.

Man, look at all of these people

Knowin’ everything about Maia, what’s wrong and what he needs. How did he even manage to put together a camp without finding any of the people in this comment section who could’ve coached him better than he possibly imagined?

Well Mr. Butthurt Maia White Knighter, if he's not doing it wrong

Then he just sucks.

Pick one.

Who said he wasn't doing anything thing?

Something obviously wasn’t ideal, but I just don’t pretend to know exactly what it is and how to fix it like every other armchair red belt in this thread.

Jokes on you

I’m a bean bag red belt.

Jorge Gurgel and Gonzaga

have the exact same problem.

Gonzaga just submitted his last opponent.

Gabe has big power, so it’s understandable that he lost his way a bit.

And what people don’t know (or don’t mention) about Gurgel is that his knees are fucking shot. They were already pretty thrashed, and Imanari finished the job.

Turns out you need to be able to bend your knees to shoot for takedowns. It’s the darndest thing.

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