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UFC On Fox 2 Results Recap: Rashad Evans Vs. Phil Davis

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Photo by Josh Hedges/Zuffa LLC/Zuffa LLC via Getty Images

In the main event of UFC on Fox 2, Rashad Evans dominated every facet of his five-round bout with Phil Davis and won a unanimous decision. All three judges had it 50-45. Davis was never really in it, looking tentative early and unable to figure Rashad out. Evans was the aggressor in the first two rounds, catching a Davis kick and sweeping him to the floor in each stanza. He was also able to lock Davis in a crucifix in both rounds, but couldn't capitalize on them.

The third round saw Davis get an early and late takedown, but he was reversed both times by Evans and Davis ate a bunch of strikes in between the two instances. Nonetheless, it was probably the best round of the fight for Phil. The last two rounds were pretty much all Evans, with a tired Davis trying to come up with something on the feet but failing and Evans looking more aggressively for the finish. He never got it, but it was a thoroughly impressive performance from Evans that earned him a shot at his nemesis Jon Jones at UFC 145.

What was the high spot of this fight?

The crucifix in the first round. Evans had it locked on tight and Davis was flailing in every direction humanly possible to try and get out. It was a cool visual.

Where do these guys go from here?

Like Sonnen before him, Evans knew what he was fighting for in this bout - a date in the octagon with Jon Jones at UFC 145 in Atlanta. He came through in the clutch, and will now get a chance to regain the UFC light heavyweight title while battling against his former friend and training partner.

Davis will go back to the drawing board. It was the first loss of his career and he's still a top-level prospect, so I wouldn't expect him to lose a lot of momentum from this. There a few different directions the UFC could go in terms of Mr. Wonderful's next fight, but a bout with Lyoto Machida would definitely be interesting.

Watch it now, later or never?

Later. The bout had some good moments, but the majority of the 25 minutes weren't overly exciting and knowing the result is probably enough for most.

SBN coverage of UFC on Fox 2

More Bloody Elbow coverage of UFC on Fox 2 in the full entry.

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Rashad's MMA wrestling > Davis wrestling.
I guess the national championship singlet didn't help

I like how Davis was just using his wrestling cred as the reason he was going to win, then has a wrestling clinic put on him by Rashad. We’re not in college anymore ladies and gentlemen.

Davis is not ready for Machida.

That would be a terrible idea.

Yeah

Loser of the Bader/Rampage fight sounds about right.

Sooo, Bader you mean?

Eh

I have no idea what to make of Rampage at this point. He’s regressed stylistically, but looks good physically. Bader was outclassed by Jones, got caught by Tito in a pretty epic fight, and looked great against Brilz. At some point, Rampage has to lose to a (relative) prospect, why not now?

Because Bader just isn’t that guy. His takedowns aren’t good enough to put Rampage on his back and he doesn’t kick so all he can really do is try to box Rampage.

Agreed.

Bader and Rampage are stylistically very similar, but rampage has an edge in pretty much every category. I see Bader going out there and trying to outbox Rampage or just land that single knockout blow, neither of which is going to happen. It is pretty obvious that Rampage hit his plateau years ago and refuses to advance past being a boxer with takedown defense, but as one dimentional as he is, he’s not going to be beaten by a lesser one dimentional fighter in Bader.

Phil Davis vs Bader

is meant to happen. Hopefully when Rampage wins we can see him fight Thiago Silva. Good stare down.

Davis has no business fighting Machida at this point, and I don't care that they both are comming off losses

He would get KOed inside of two rounds due to terrible striking, and ineffective wrestling (in the context of MMA). Davis has little to no chance against Machida at this point if he’s currently getting out-struck by Rashad. Right now, he needs to build himself back up fighting guys on the level of Vera, Bonnar, Matyushenko, etc…

Phil Davis’ wrestling hasn’t translated to MMA as well as Jon Jones’ and Rashad Evans’ wrestling did. If you watch his prior bouts, he’s struggled heavily to take down EVERY opponent he’s faced in octagon so far, despite having better wrestling credentials than the most others in his division. Davis should go back to the drawing board and shore up his striking and BJJ before fighting another high level guy like Machida, or Evans.

Like it or not, Davis is already above guys like Vera, Bonnar, Janitor… If not Machida, how about fighting Shogun? Both are coming off losses, and both need a big win… seems like a good fight to me.

Davis is not above those guys, and is not in need of a big win because he is not contender right now.

Davis should have never been matched with Evans 9 fights into his career. The only reason he fought Lil Nog was because Tito dropped out, and they needed a replacement on 4 weeks notice. Davis hasn’t looked good in his last two bouts against high level opponents even though he won one of them. He needs to be throttled back to fighting guys he should have been fighting in the first place, guys in the top 25.

Phil was great prospect who was pushed way too fast into contender level fights before he even had the chance to add some very necessary skills to his tool box. Unlike Bader and Jones, who were brought up the ranks with careful and thoughtful matchmaking to prepare them for contendership, Davis went from 0 to 60 after only 5 fights, 5 fights that should have showed people that he needed more time to improve before playing with the big boys.

this

forgot about the nog thing

he shouldn’t be fighting machida or rampage next, he’ll get handled

but if they drop him down to the guys mentioned who he really should be fighting, it’ll seem like a punishment

they done fucked up with phil davis

The UFC is very inconsistent at developing prospects.

That is one of the biggest problems I’ve had with the promotion for the last few years.

You know what, either UFC fighters are ready or they’re not. Davis has had a nice gentle progression of opponents early on, then he beat Lil Nog, and then got a shot at Evans. Turns out he wasn’t good enough, but to say that the UFC’s ruined him because they gave him too much too soon is ridiculous. Davis did good against a striker in Lil Nog, and he’s got the wrestling credentials. Many people thought he had a good shot to beat Evans. This is just a case of a fighter not developping as well or as fast as the UFC expected him to. Simple as that. If a fighter has to fight B or C-level competition in the UFC for years and years, then they don’t belong in the UFC.

Davis has clearly demonstrated that he’s a top 10-15 fighter with his win over Lil Nog, and while fighting a guy like Rampage might’ve been a better fit than Evans at this point, that wasn’t available to him.

This is just a case of a fighter not developping as well or as fast as the UFC expected him to. Simple as that.

this was obvious to everyone though

and they still threw him in against a former champion and title contender

i think rampage would have been too big a step, his tdd is strong and he could definitely outstrike phil

they got too excited about his potential and didn’t give him time to develop it

How was that obvious to everyone? He was coming off a pretty convincing victory over Lil Nog, a very respected guy.

Ok, so let’s rewind back time, coming off a win against Lil Nog, who would you have put Davis against if not Evans, Rampage or Jones (obviously). Who else?

Read the articles I posted lower down, or at least read the quotes.

That victory only convinced people he was no where close to ready for title contention.

I mentioned the type of guys who I thought Davis should fight against already in my first post.

That’s the first time I hear someone say “well this guy won, but he clearly should take a step back in competition”. That’s not how it works. You win, you take a step up. You lose, you take a step down. Now, you could say he took too big of a step, but a top 10 guy fighting the #2-3 in the division isn’t that big of a step. And it’s not like Evans ran through Davis, or humiliated him… Davis will learn from this, improve his striking, continue to adapt his wrestling for MMA, and come back stronger. The best fighters in MMA learn from their big losses and come back stronger. Look at GSP when he first lost to Hughes… he came back with a vengeance.

True, the best learn from defeat, but that doesn’t mean you throw someone into the fire when you can see that defeat coming a mile a way. On paper, Phil had no advantages in that fight, it was damn near unwinnable with his current skills, but they still matched him up anyway.

On paper, Phil definintely had the wrestling edge. Just go back and read the staff predictions for this fight. Many though Phil could win this fight by decision.

Stop right there, Phil Davis had no wrestling edge in the context of MMA.

Rashad is faster, better transitions from striking to wrestling, has more explosive shots, and struggled less against guys with way better take down defense than Lil Nog, Gustaffson, and Tim Botech.

That’s easy to say after the fact… But before the fight, most people would’ve given Davis the wrestling advantage. Plus before the fight, you could have easily said that Davis is stronger than Evans by virtue of being a bigger guy, and since he’s so much younger than Evans, you could’ve guessed that he would have better cardio than him, too, especially considering Evans’s gassing against Thiago Silva and Rampage, recently.

I knew this the moment the fight was announced.

Watch Rampage vs Evans again an tell me I didn’t know.

Bigger doesn't mean stronger, or better.

Examples:
Couture vs Gonzanga
Couture vs Lesnar
Palhares vs any middleweight
Edgar vs Maynard
Daley vs Diaz

Rashad’s cardio probably held up because he fought an far inferior fighter. Rampage and Thaigo have better striking and were better at getting up from the bottom, preventing Rashad from fighting at his own pace.

it was convincing in that it was clear

but he didn’t dominate or run through nog

he was outstruck and struggled with taking him down until he switched his gameplan

your question is a very good one, and i’m having trouble giving a good answer

he prolly shouldn’t have even faced nog, who was a good stylistic matchup for him

after nog there was no turning back without it looking like punishment or disrespect, but hes not ready for that level of competition yet

he was in limbo after nog

i’d have given him rampage before evans, but i don’t much like that matchup either

maybe silva if he hadn’t been banned

Rampage was already taken, though… he was fighting Jones for the title back when Davis/Evans was first planned, then had a scheduled fight against Bader. You have to take into consideration who was available at the time.

The only answer I have is Forrest, but then most people view Davis as being ranked above him. Then again, it’s not like Forrest wants to fight anymore, and would’ve likely turned down the fight since he knows he would’ve spent 15 minutes fighting off of his back.

exactly, that's what i'm saying

the ufc painted themselves into a corner

that’s why i ended up mentioning silva – i don’t even like the idea of davis fighting rampage

i also think davis would have beaten forrest, but it would have been a better matchup

but then again when forrest was supposed to fight lil nog, everyone was saying nog would crush forrest easily

mmath perhaps, but the fans would have shat on that too

Wrestling creds don't mean jack squat if it doesn't adapt well to your MMA game, Phil Davis is proof of that.

Even if Lil Nog was a decent step up from Tim Botech, which he is not, how do you go from fighting him to fighting the #1 ranked contender and former champion who is 16-1-1 afterwards? Does that make any sense to you? According to this sites rankings, which I don’t care for in general, Davis went from a BARELY top 10 opponent, straight to the number 3, arguably number 2, guy in the division.

Again, who would have been a proper opponent for Davis, according to you? He beat Lil Nog, who was top 10 at the time. Once that happened, there was no going back for him…

Junior Dos Santos KOed Werdum in his UFC debut, his next fight was Stefan Struve.

Of course the UFC can throttle him back.

Obviously, the UFC didn’t hold Werdum in very high regard… and they obviously thought a lot of Struve. Besides, every case is different.

Yeah, they didn’t hold the guy who came off two TKO’s over Gonzanga and Vera in high regard, I call BS on that one.

The lack of proper development for their prospects is one of the reasons the UFC has trouble building up new stars.

Werdum didn’t bother to train for that JDS fight, and it showed. He was fat, out of shape, and fought like it. Basically, the UFC couldn’t judge JDS’s progress too much on that fight alone.

So what, they knew Werdum came off two KO’s over who were then considered very good opponents, so why was a virtual nobody matched up with him? If Werdum won that fight, people would have said he beat a can.

Is the UFC the place to develop prospects, though? I mean, yes, they’ll sign prospect and give them a few prelim fights to develop and showcase themselves, but after that, they’re either ready, or not.

The UFC are frequently signing guys with less than 10 fights under there belts and haven’t yet hit their prime years. It’s clear to me that they are competing with Bellator to sign over future greats.

If you’re signing these type of guys, you have to develop them so they reach their potential in your promotion, or you risk them burning out quickly, and developing into great fighters outside of it, and being locked up in a contract for a rival promotion.

Hey, if a prospect can’t get out of the prospect phase of his career within the 4-5 prelim fights he’ll get in the UFC, maybe he’s not much of a prespect to begin with. In the UFC, it’s put up or shut up, basically. It’s the big leagues, it’s not AA baseball.

MMA is nothing like baseball or Basketball though.

MMA doesn’t have a good amatuer system to give guys much needed experience before they go pro. How can you really say a < 30 guy with less than 10 fights on his record, and no amateur bouts, is not much of a prospect?

Sports like Basketball and Football have the NCAA and high school athletics system developing their prospects for their respective sports for 5+ years, hundreds of matches, thousands of hours of training/practice, before they even set foot on the professional court/field.

The UFC has to take it into their own hands to develop these guys to become future stars. Can you really say a guy who’s only fought in MMA 9 times is ready for a title fight in the biggest promotion? I’d have a hard time saying that.

And the UFC has thousands of small orgs as their farm team. They’ll occasionally take a chance on a relatively unproven prospect and see if they can make something out of him, like Jon Jones for instance, but most of the time, that doesn’t work.

First of all, not everyone is a Jon Jones.

If that’s the case, why are they plucking so many guys who have fought MMA for less than a 2 or 3 years? The current farm system doesn’t allow guys to develop because as soon as they build a winning record, ie:3-0, 4-2, they are scooped up by the big leagues way too quickly.

Bellator is generally good at building prospects by putting them against each other in their tournaments, but they don’t have the platform to make stars out of them.

who else would you say they screwed up with?
I wouldn't say the screwed up JDS, but ...

His first fight was Werdum. I rest my case.

He beat Lil Nog… no erasing that. Going from Lil Nog to Evans isn’t that big of a stretch, especially considering his wrestling, his biggest strength, was thought of as being better than Evans’s. And he did decent on the feet against Lil Nog, a very good striker. I don’t think him losing to Evans was a case of “too much too soon” as he didn’t get demolish by Evans… it was a case of “not being good enough”… I agree that he needs to take a step back in competition, but to go from fighting in a #1 contender fight all the way down to Vera, Bonnar or Janitor? No way. He could fight the loser of Rampage/Bader… that’s a more appropriate fight for him.

You and I both know Davis wasn’t getting that title shot unless he had a wicked awesome performance, which he wasn’t going to have. If Dana thought Phil was a current contender, he would have been clear that Davis would get the next shot should he have won.

Not all wrestlers wrestle the same, unlike rashad, Phil doesn’t blast out double legs and put people on the mat with authority, he uses a more technical style that requires less explosiveness. He looked scared against Lil Nog on the feet and struggled mightily to bring him down in the first round, then stunk up the joint via what almost resembled lay & pray in the last two rounds. Davis wasn’t “good enough” to beat Evans because he fought him too soon.

Take a look at BE’s takeaways from Davis’ bout with Lil Nog:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/27/2075051/ufc-fight-night-24-results-takeaways-from-the-event

- We can officially stop the Phil Davis as title challenger talk. Davis absolutely won the bout and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira is no joke, but Davis showed that he still has a lot of growing as a fighter to do before we consider him among the elite 205’ers in the world. Davis’ boxing needs work but his kicks are solid. As for his wrestling, I don’t care how much Mark Munoz had been working with Nogueira, Davis’ wrestling should have been much more effective. The future is still bright for Phil, but we need to be fair as fight fans in letting him develop rather than rushing him in against a much more advanced fighter in Jon Jones.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/27/2074626/ufc-fight-night-24-results-phil-davis-does-good-but-not-great-against

Jon Jones had to be a little relieved after watching the Davis-Nogueira fight and feel assured that he was the true champion and Davis was just another pretender.

Ok sure… but who else? Davis did beat Lil Nog, a top 10 guy back then. You can’t pair him up with Brandon Marshall coming off a big win against Lil Nog…

You don't get it.

You’re seeing only in numbers, and not what’s actually happening in the ring. The man has multiple glaring decencies in his skill set that need to be fixed, and if he continues to fight top tier guys, he is going to start racking up losses until he gets cut inside of a year. Davis is a great prospect that can be recovered as long as they give him the right stylistic challenges against good, but not top tier fighters for the time being.

Davis is not a prospect. Nobody that’s fought 5-6 times in the UFC is a prospect anymore.

Again, you still only in numbers. I don’t think you fully understand what a prospect is. To this day, Stefan Struve is still a prospect.

Again, you still see only in numbers.

So… at what point does someone stop being a prospect? I’d say once he’s beaten very good competition a few times in a row. Which Davis has done, and which Struve hasn’t yet.

A prospect is a fighter under the age of 30, that has the attributes for success in his division with the right amount of training and experience against opponents of various styles.

Phil Davis (27) for instance, is extremely athletic, and has a good wrestling base. He needs to develop better kickboxing, since he likes to kick a lot, as well as transitioning from striking to shooting in for takedowns. His BJJ on top is looking good, but his game off his back is in need of improvement. Phil has a lot of potential, but his skills isn’t where it needs to be match up against top tier fighters.

A prospect stops being a prospect when they are legitimately considered for title contention. Phil Davis wasn’t in contention when he was matched up with Rashad, had he won, Hendo would have gotten the title shot, Dana said as much in the build up to this fight. Davis was never seriously considered to face Jon Jones unless something really really wild happened.

This makes no sense. First, most MMA fighters are in their prime from 27-30… Second, had Davis beat Evans somewhat convincingly, he would’ve been fighting Jones in Atlanta in a few months. You’re not a prospect anymore if you’re in a #1 contender fight.

Whatever. Call Davis a prospect all you want… doesn’t change the fact that he’s still a top 10 fighter that will have to prove himself against a top fighter next time around.

Davis wasn’t even competitive in his loss to Rashad, He barley squeaked by Lil Nog, capping off a night of mostly boring fights with one of the most forgettable main events in some time.

Once again, bad matchmaking like this is one of the main reason the UFC is having trouble replacing their old stars.

Alright, play matchmaker for me. Who should Davis have fought following his win over Lil Nog. Take everything in consideration here… who was available, who was coming back from injury, etc, etc.

Any of these guys really:

BONNAR
MATYUSHENKO
VERA
BRILZ (He showed flashes of greatness in the Lil Nog fight, but is still good opponent for Davis)

this is why LHW is the glamour division

you cant possibly survive with just wrestling in the top tier,

Tito down
Bader down
Davis down

Davis needs some time, he needs to be more explosive and savy with his transitions if he wants to continue using his wrestling against top tiers

Five rounds

I’ve come to the realisation that non-title five round fights aren’t a good idea. Not every fighter trains properly for them, and the result usually is a mostly boring 25 minutes. In title fights, you’ve got a champ who’s used to these long fights, and a title challenger that’s at the very top of his game that’s training specifically to go a long time. So in title fights, it makes all the sense in the world.

While Davis and Evans didn’t particularily gas out Saturday night, the net result was a slower paced fight as they were taking it easy most of the fight in order to go the full 25 minutes. I would’ve much rather seen a 3 round fight between these two guys that know they only have to last 15 minutes and go at it much harder.

Hush you mouth

I want MORE five round fights, not less.

If you’re contending for a belt, you need to show you can fight for five rounds, period. I think more than just main card fights, I think all contender fights should be five rounds, meaning that Sonnen v Bisping should have been five rounds as well.

Sure, you’ll have some fights that pace and are “boring”, but the three rounder with Russow v Einemo was boring, too. Sometimes, styles make for boring fights, and the number of rounds cannot be blamed for that.

I’d much rather see two contenders pace themselves out in a five round fight and learn what they need to do prior to a title bout than see a contender gas after fifteen minutes.

Evans clearly looked like a five round fighter, showing he has what it takes to go the distance and execute his game plan.

I’m all for exciting fights, but I realistically don’t expect to see them at contender and title fight levels unless the styles match up for that kind of fight. I want to see two fighters given the best opportunity to prove which one is better, and if that takes 25 minutes, so be it.

I'm for all proffessional bouts being 5 rounds, 3 rounds is good for amature fights

15 minutes isn’t long enough of a time to figure who’s the better fighter in a lot of cases.

Rashad by UD

who would have thunk it? Oh ya, 80% of people who follow MMA would haha

In retrospect, Rashad by UD was clearly the most likely scenario, but I was anticipating him to knock Davis out. What I didn’t expect was Rashad to be tentative and play if safe, but in retrospect, I should’ve predicted that as he clearly didn’t want to break his hand again, jeopardizing his matchup with Jones, again. So, he played it a little safe hoping he wouldn’t get injured and played out an UD.

And that’s the problem with these #1 contender matches… there’s too much to lose to risk it all. Had Dana come out and said that Evans would only get a title shot at Jones if he was impressive against Davis, and that if not, Henderson would get the title shot instead, you can bet your ass Evans would’ve gone after the KO and probably gotten it.

Great point.

He’s missed lots of fights/time due to injury. I can’t blame him for perhaps fighting in a manner to not go back on the shelf.

After round 2 I thought Rashad was going to TKO Davis

but then Davis did the wise thing and remembered he could wrestle, only to realize he’s not in Rashad’s league when it comes to MMA grappling.

I liked that he was imitating Jones getting into the cage and starting the fight, down to the mounted crucifix. That was making a statement.

I was truly impressed by Rashad in this fight.

if anything Jones has copied Rashad's entrance...

I think it used to be more similar until Jon’s last few bouts.

yeah oh shit i forgot about that mad crazy. it just goes to show though how much influence rashad had on jones this fight between them is going to be really weird but really fun

It makes sense too, before their falling out, Jones and Evans were close at that the Jackson camp so it is very likely Jones copied a lot of things from him at the time. Nothing wrong with that.

I would’ve been more impressed had Evans landed elbows from the crucifix like Jones does. That is the best weapon from that position. That said- great performance overall. He made Phil Davis look like the developing prospect he is.

Huge Davis fan here...

I’ll state my bias right away: I loves me some Phil Davis.

That being said, I was disappointed with his performance. Now, his striking has never been good, but there was SOME improvement, so from my low expectations when it came to his standup, I wasn’t disappointed. His poor takedown attempts and takedown defense could be explained by cage rust and his knee injury.

What really surprised me and what he has no excuse for was his poor bottom game. His other flaws in that fight can be chalked up to inexperience, nerves for being the main event on a huge card with the chance a title shot, cage rust, and/or his injury. But not the fact that he looked scared to be on his back and spent more time flailing than putting up an active offense or defense. Considering his natural gift for jiu-jitsu, I thought he would have been better prepared to be on his back.

Nothing I saw would really make me write off Phil Davis. He clearly lost, but he wasn’t finished and he fight perhaps the best Rashad we have seen in a while without getting too bad of a beating. He just needs more time. But he really needs to learn how to work from the bottom. Try an arm bar, close guard, attempt a sweep, and not just swing his arms around like he is drowning.

Clearly his top game jits is great, bottom awful. That is the first time I think he has been put on his back consistently and he looked clueless. Happens with a lot of wrestlers who transition to MMA and develop a great top game but struggle on the bottom. Rampage, Bader for example

Vera's influence on Davis

I practically felt like I was watching Vera instead of Davis during the fight. The same tentativeness, the same ineffective wrestling (with overinflated statements of wrestling being a key factor ala Vera’s supposed Greco credentials), the same brief flashes of brilliance bowed down by this gunshy pace.

It was just as frustrating to watch Davis as it has been watching Vera all this time.

Davis was thrown into the deep end a bit soon, I will say though. Vera on the other hand invited it with all his premature talk of being a 2 division champ.

Davis can hold his head up high

no shame in losing to Rashad, especially if it’s your first loss.
he put forth a valiant effort and wasn’t finished. i hope he’ll learn and come back stronger.

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