Bloody Elbow

Yes yes and yes

She beat Gurgel dammit

IRodC - January 6, 2012 reply

psh

Tate is number one now

Never!

Haha. Gurgel has fought once since beating Fujii, and she returned to 125lbs for it. Fujii has fought 3 times since the split decision loss to Gurgel.

(just trolling here now)

Tate>Gurgel>Fujii

Honestly, Fujii is probably number one now, but i’m a SF nuthugger at heart

If Rousey destroys Tate

There’s a possible argument. If she destroys Tate and Kaufmann, I think that’s a solid case.

Tate's my favorite female MMA fighter now,

gotta root for her, but Rousey would make a more compelling contender if she beats Tate

-1

MEGA MEGA MEGU, psssh tate no1 are you trolling or for real

four20 - January 6, 2012 reply

Wonder if this is a case of TRT..

hmmmm

boscomma - January 6, 2012 reply

All she has to do is show up and say "Uhhh, I didn't know who I was supposed to tell. I had a convo with Kizer about it. Well, my husband did. See I have this condition where my... testicles? Testicles are too small, they don't make Testosterone for me

anymore so I gotta take these injections, see?" Oh, I’m a girl? Well, I’ve got my doctor hear from Brazil, he doesn’t really speak english but he can tell you in Portuguese that I really do need these injections so I can be a normal, healthy man. Woman. I meant woman. Anyhoo, totally not my fault."

CSAC: “Hmmmm. This story seems to be absolute bullshit. Let’s reduce his sentence by 6 months. Her sentence, I mean. Her sentence.”

Shotokanman - January 6, 2012 reply

It's not test

It clearly states in the article that it’s stanozolol.

stinkinburrows - January 6, 2012 reply

fuck off...clearly there was sarcasm and a comedic tone to my comment.

boscomma - January 6, 2012 reply

fuck on….use the sarcasm font.

stinkinburrows - January 7, 2012 reply

I lol’d.

Jack Power - January 6, 2012 reply

whoa!

Krimson - January 6, 2012 reply

Exactly what I thought

jdd1510 - January 6, 2012 reply

Wow, that’s just odd. I can’t imagine why she would possibly be taking them. It’s not like her division is full of the stiffest competition.

That's a bit chicken and egg isn't it?

Maybe she has no competition because she is a roided up psycho. Who can possibly say what she would be like without them. Maybe she would still bust everyone up, maybe she wouldn’t.

Well it’s possible, but the division has been everyone else and Cyborg since she beat Carano. I don’t believe that steroids would put Cyborg that much above everyone else.

You are most likely right,

but I don’t suppose we’ll ever know the extent of her useage and how far it dates back. I mean she must of felt she needed them for that last fight. You do wonder why, could the fight have gone for like 46 seconds if she wasn’t on them or something?

Yeah, that’s my point. The division isn’t that fantastic, we aren’t talking about men’s 155 here. She’s always been strong (but now that will be in question), had powerful striking and BJJ. It just seems so weird for her to be using them when she really had no immediate competition.

Eh, the steroid usage is what got her there and gave her that advantage in the first place. Assuming anything else is backwards logic IMHO.

This.

Mr.Ection - January 6, 2012 reply

This is of course based on her long history of fighting and testing positive for steroids. Good call Horselover, thumbs up

No, it’s based on her looking like a really muscular and cut dude for the last couple of years, as well as finally testing positive. You’d have to be pretty naive to not think she has been on them before. “backwards logic” was a poor choice of words on my part though.

I am just not ready to believe that she's been roiding her whole career

With that said, it is perfectly reasonable to doubt every athletic accomplishment she has, and as a fan of hers that is frustrating.

She really let MMA down here

Yeah, obviously I have no substantial proof for my position other than what I just said, taking the other side of it is fine too. I’m not a fan at all so it doesn’t affect me as such, or actually, I may even be a “hater” I guess. I’ve just always assumed she was roiding and that’s what gave her such a big strength and size advantage over her competition, and therefore I haven’t really been taking her accomplishments seriously at all.

The good thing at least is that now she’ll be gone and hopefully leave room for other non-cheating womens fighters to take that spot. I don’t think she really was a huge draw or star to begin with anyway.

the brightside

really is that without Cyborg in the picture, it’s going to allow the 145 division to develop some more, and some prospects to be discovered.
Plus, looking at Ronda and Amanda Nunes, there isn’t going to be an incentive to cut to 135 to hide from Cyborg

But I think everyone should look at this story and think it’s not a good moment for MMA

145 isn't going to develop

Strikeforce are incapable of doing it. Much easier to just scrap it and focus on 135.

I am kind of on board with the idea of scrapping the 145 division.

Saves me from wondering if Gina will return and alleviates the headache that Ronda ducking Cyborg was for me

Yeah, exactly.

No it’s definitely not a good moment when top-ranked fighters get busted for roids, especially a champion. But it’s not the end of days either.

One of the discussions this will raise is what is the point of having a 145-lb division?

Which could spark a discussion of why we need women fighting for Zuffa, but i’m getting on a slippery slope here..

There doesn’t seem to be a huge point with it now that both Cyborg and Gina are gone, and Rousey talking about going down. Maybe they would be better served to add 125 and 115 instead though.

Relative to 145, there's plenty of depth at 125

I just noted on twitter:

Pretty sure Cyborg had new S&C staff for this fight. May have played a role in why she started using or why she just now got caught.
— pdl (@pdlmma) January 6, 2012

pdl - January 6, 2012 reply

Look at you with your fancy twitter pimping.

If I want to read tweets from some shamelessly self promoting drunk guy I’ll follow Bam Margera

Or Roth.

.

Come on MDH, there’s nothing wrong (TB_Money) with a little (TB_Money) twitter pimping (@TB_Money) once in a while.

@TB_Money.

Holy crazy formatting ruined my shitty joke!

still lol’d

You sure know how to use the sarcasm font

I disagree

It made your joke even better

SARCASM FONT SARCASM FONT!!!

Release the Wade Signal!

Burke signal

This calls for a Lunk alarm

Inspectorxr5 - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

best use of sarcasm font ever

I didn't think I was gonna be back at my computer and tweeted from my phone.

Timing just worked out. Now to go drink beers. Follow my beer drinking liveblog at https://twitter.com/#!/pdlmma or tumblr.idontactuallyhaveatumblrbutidohavebeers.com

pdl - January 6, 2012 reply

hahaha

You can check out my live drinking pics at flickr.com/burkesgoingtothedrunktankagain

Healing from an injury maybe?

BUSTED!!!

daftshadow - January 6, 2012 reply

LMAO shocker!

nsiegel - January 6, 2012 reply

Yamanaka is the Champion!!!!!

rscott94 - January 6, 2012 reply

No contest.

OK, the champion of our hearts then.

Rousey to stay at 145lbs now?

That was my first thought.

Why?

There is no one to fight at 145, and Rousey can easily make 135. She doesn’t cut any weight for 145, and used to compete in Judo at 138.

Well on the one hand you have a more even playing field at 145 now, maybe without Cyborg there will be competitive fights and people will go up to 145 I don’t know. On the other, this is your excuse to ditch 145 as a division.

The belt gives her legitimacy. Then she drops.

Guess it's a little late for that

With Rousey v. Tate scheduled already. Now she can always go up and win the 145lb belt as soon as it gets a new champ. Assuming she gets past Tate, which should be a great fight.

Well, Tate and Rousey both said they haven’t signed yet, but that could just be a ploy.

It's been reported everywhere

Even on Yahoo. I’m assuming Strikeforce would have sent out some sort of correction by now if it wasn’t happening.

MMA Weekly broke it, and both fighters immediately shot it down. Like I said, they’re probably just doing that because they’re not allowed to say anything yet. But if we take them at their word, the bout is not official yet.

There not going to scrap it

For a Rousey v. Yamanaka fight. The 145lb belt is meaningless unless you beat Cyborg for it. Rousey can easily make 135. Might as well throw her in there and make for one exciting division of WMMA.

I agree with that. But Ronda’s got a different way of looking at things than most. I know it’s a longshot, I just think it’s a remote possibility.

She talked her way into a title fight off of 4 fights. If she can beat Tate she can then jump up to 145 and fight for Cyborgs belt or if their is a fight in the mean time their belt. I think she made the right decision, if she can get past Tate that is.

Now that she doesn’t have to face Cyborg, she would be dumb not to lord over 145.

Tate is a serious threat to her, and if she was ducking Cyborg, she might as well duck Tate and dominate a division without any threats

haha

I know

rscott94 - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Sad...

Cyborg’s career is over.

Even if she comes back, the questions will be overwhelming with every win. It’s worse for her than her counterparts in the male side of the sport because she’s been crushing everyone.

Leland Roling - January 6, 2012 reply

yeah this news ruined my day

Dude!

Did you not at least suspect this day could come?

I'm a chump

Well, sorry to hear that this ruined your day.

Ya Sad

Don’t think her career is over but definitely puts a monkey ranch in the hype that was created with Rousey and the possible return of Carano.

Coeman - January 6, 2012 reply

I don’t think her career is over, but she’ll have to deal with A LOT of flack from here on out.

If she’s taking care of a monkey ranch as well as training, no wonder she needs the roids.

gzl5000 - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

How long is the suspension? I’m assuming 12 months but I didn’t read it above.

It’ll probably be determined at a hearing.

MMAJunkie is reporting it’s 1 year.

bigdmmafan - January 6, 2012 reply

it’s California, so it’s a year until the hearing.

From the hearing there are 3 options, say nothing, and try to reschedule 8 times, that will result in a 7 year process for her to get her license back.

Option 2 is admitting guilt and apologizing, that will result in a 12 month suspension.

option 3 is fighting the suspension. There are many options here, but all of them (bringing in weirdos with no information to speak, cursing out the commission (english or portugese), or just saying that they didn’t do it will result in a 6 month suspension.

If she can spin this and blame someone/something else, she should for the sake of her career/reputation, but i think she’d be damning herself not to contest this, I mean it sort of worked for barnett

Option 3 = Sonnen-ing the suspension

Jobumoplata - January 6, 2012 reply

I would prefer she james toney-ed it. That would be a lot more fun.

Don’t forget demonstrating that the water blank at the Quest Laboratories that handled your sample came back positive for steroids, too; that one’s a six-monther.

Tedd Welch - January 6, 2012 reply

Actually, I think this will boost her career in a notorious fashion. She now can play the indestructable villain, Ivan Drago style, that has to be beaten by the California Sunshine girl, Ronda Rousey. Do it in a super strict state, like NJ, and I think you have a big fight. Either the villain gets beaten or wins and waits for the next competitor to make things right. But, if Rousey wins, a star is born.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

very nice

This is good thinking

But i really think SF needs to wash their hands of Cyborg (publicly) while she serves her suspension

As they promote Josh Barnett in the HWGP? The response should be exactly the same as any male fighter. Any other response is discriminatory.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Barnett's served his suspension

I know. The point is he failed three tests. Cyborg has failed one, like so many fighters. Cutting her would be discrimination. Promoting Barnett, who still isn’t even licensed in a majority of states, while cutting her would be hypocritical.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

You think the fight business is full of ethical virtue?

Strikeforce failed to do anything with Cyborg for a whole year before this happened. I doubt they’ll do anything with 145 in her absense, or know what to do with her a year from now.

That’s a whole other matter. And just because the fight business has questionable ethics doesn’t mean it has to add sexism to its practices.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Anymore than it already does, I should say.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

You can't take sexism out of MMA. it is a "male sport",

you would have to do away with ring card girls for a start

You can not treat one fighter differently than another based on sex. That’s illegal.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

cutting Cyborg wouldn't be unprecedented

I can’t think of steroid specific examples, but there is like the Paul Daley sucker punch cut and the Torres rape joke cut, which basically singled out a fighter for bad conduct,

Here is an example of real bad conduct, Cyborg endangered herself but moreso the opponents that had to face her.

And this is different than Chael, because he “fought” it and argued TRT which Cyborg can’t

Oh, Nate Marquaardt example

Nate sets the precedent. Dana said he has a three strike rule. Nate failed it. Got cut. He cuts Cyborg but gives the guys three strikes he is going to court.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Unless Zuffa start a new policy

Something like “From now on, you’re one and done.”

Far too risky.

MMAussie - January 6, 2012 reply

Current SAC suspensions obviously isn't a deterrent.

Being forever banned from the UFC, the top promotion in the sport would work, and UFC can spin any competitor that signs cheats as being pro steroids and not a real promotion.

Good points

Nothing will ever deter everyone from using. The reward is far too great.

What happens when (hypothetical situation) Overeem smashes JDS, defends 2 or 3 times and becomes the biggest draw in the sport and then pops for gear. A one & done policy gives the UFC no room to move in such a situation.

MMAussie - January 6, 2012 reply

I would like a policy like this in the sport, but I don’t think the promoters could ever get behind it

Dana doesn't run SF

Or at least he is not the face of SF.

I am not sure who is in charge at SF anymore, but i think strict standards would be good for SF in the eyes of the mainstream media. It would go a long way to dispel the notion that all MMArtists juice IMO

Also, just read below, Vinicius Quieroz was cut after testing positive

Coming off a loss.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

good point

Dana clearly stated recently hat he is involved in Strikeforce. Do you think Coker overrules him. Of course not. They can’t make an example of her. They would have to say they are changing their policy for EVERYONE and not going with the three strike rule anymore. But they would never do that because what happens when someone like Chael pops. See. It doesn’t work.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

yeah i gotta concede here

Very well-reasoned on your part.
If the getting popped using steroids doesn’t void her contract, I guess they don’t have grounds to cut her

I think SF should just strip the title then and not mention Cyborg for a year

That’s the right move. Strip the the title, let her rehabilitate and build WMMA without her for now. When she has done everything required bring her back and I guarantee she will be infamously popular.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Or scrap 145

and host a tournament at 125!

But, in all seriousness, I like the 145 division because of Carano and Cyborg and they should keep it around in case Carano will return (now the timing would be perfect to fight Hiroko in her return and then have a case for fighting for the vacant 145 title)

Yeah, I like the idea of scrapping 145 and creating an unconventional 140 division and a 125. Plenty of talent to fill in both those divisions.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

A 140 division could be cool

I think by have two tweener divisions (120 and 140), you can consolidate 3 divisions (115, 125, 135), which would allow there to be more depth

People have been cut for less

Coenen being a recent example.

they already treat fighters differently based on sex

the ufc doesn’t allow women to fight, strikeforce allows them to but only in a separate division.

i’ll go make a citizens’ arrest

That’s completely different. The UFC doesn’t promote Super Hulk bouts either. But, Zuffa does employ both male and female fighters and there needs to be basic equality.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

You know Dana,

He deals with these things on a case by case basis.. Chael had the TRT explanation and that, along side the rest of his argument points such as the disclosure rules in CA being quite ambiguous warranted a second chance from Uncle Dana. Of course if he were to get popped again he’d be done.

As for what happens to Cristiane, it will basically depend on her explanation for getting popped and unfortunately due to being a woman she can’t really use the TRT defense and that’s not just a sexism thing, it’s biology. Whatever she says to the Zuffa brass will most likely decide if she gets another chance or not, but you also need to understand that unlike Chael she was already seen as an ultra masculine muscle bound behemoth who had an unfair advantage over her opponents; so for someone like that specifically, getting popped is a bit worse.

To call it cut-and-dry sexism shows a failure to look at the situation subjectively.

I said if she rehabilitates properly according to the CSAC and they cut her it is sexism. Nate gets three strikes but Cyborg doesn’t. Sorry. Doesn’t work.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

This point is really what swayed me and helped me understand your position more clearly

The “Sorry. Doesn’t work.” part ALMOST swayed me.

Again, near-militant lack of subjectivity.

And I authoritatively declare that your lack of subjectivity doesn’t work.

Dana’s three strike rule is not subjective, it’s objective.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

you don’t say those things

Which part?

The part about taking ring girls away. BLASPHEMY.

thirdparty - January 7, 2012 reply

Anyway, they don't have to cut her

They can just shelve her and let her contract expire, and claim they failed to renegotiate.

haha business as usual

The WMMA factor

I think makes this different. I just don’t think many women are juicing (hell, I don’t think half the WMMArtists even train half time), but SF should look to have a really strict steroid policy for fighters caught using in a SF bout

I personnally find WMMA distasteful, and mostly low skill. I am very sexist in that regard. I don’t like women’s boxing, chick rasslers, lingerie football, et cetera. I do enjoy all girl pornography though! Maybe I’m not TOTALLY sexist. (BUT I am a total asshole!)

Mr. Socko - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

He served his suspension and has continued to deny the allegations

so has Sean Sherk but whatevs

once her suspension is up she should be promoted and allowed to fight again for sure

Strikeforce have a year to build the 145 division in her absense

Somehow, I doubt they’ll both. She was already shelved for a year before her last fight.

I really hope more girls are willing to fight at 145 now, especially Ronda and Amanda Nunes

Ronda would want to fight Carano

And that’s probably it.

Ronda would definitely fight Carano, because that’s a fight you can make a career out of.

She could also handle Nunes, and I think if SF can get its shit together and get Romy Russyen, that would be an excellent match up for Ronda

I agree

But as a PR move, it looks good to cut her because it will appear as if there is a strict stance on steroids in MMA

She can not be treated differently than any other fighter. I think some lawyers would jump all over that case. Let public opinion decide but Zuffa/Forza can’t cut her and then put Chael in a #1 contender’s bout on Fox.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Plenty of fighters have been cut after failing drug tests.. not everyone, but I think it would be a good PR move to get rid of her.

Who has been cut after one failed test?

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Vinicius Quieroz after UFC 120

Well, there was that Vinicius Quieroz guy not too long ago. To be honest I couldn’t really come up with anyone else. Maybe it should actually be more common than what it is though.

I can’t think of any recent SFs that tested positive IN SF. This is a chance for SF to show its commited to not tolerating steroid use in SF bouts

SF’s hands are clean from JB’s previous history because he’s never tested positive in SF

They are all under the Zuffa banner. You can’t have Chael do what he did, blatantly lie to the commission, serve out his suspension, and have him in a spot to get a title shot two fights back while giving him his own segment on UFC Live but cut Cyborg if she does what is required. That’s an ACLU NOW lawyer’s dream right there. And they would have a case.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Unless Cyborg claims to be a victim of hypogonadism then no, she wouldn't have a case.

Sure she would. If she is cut she is being treated differently than the guys. That’s discrimination. Plain and simple.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

except they did the same to Vinicius Quieroz

Coming off a debut loss.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm pretty sure Zuffa can cut anyone they want

Let them try cutting a woman under different circumstance than a man and see what happens.

memitim - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

Probably not much

As they can and have cut people for less.

discoandherpes - January 7, 2012 reply

i just don’t think big time lawyers or the ACLU will pick up on this or get in touch with Cyborg.

And, I think for WMMA, there’s this added factor of roiding being such a big advantage that Cyborg legitimately put girls like Finney and Hiroko in danger because it was such a dramatic advantage.

Chael fought the allegations and claimed TRT, so he kind of saved face in an odd loop whole type of way

The ACLU and NOW would love a chance to take up this kind of fight against a group like the UFC for so so many reasons.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

They have specific beef with Zuffa?? I’m not very familiar with legal issues

Unions, labor, sexist rape jokes, on and on. NOW or the ACLU would love to have a real case to go after Zuffa. And I’m not just saying that. A lawyer I use quite often does work for both and she would jump on it in a heartbeat.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

That's interesting,

It’s something I’ll pay more attention for.

I think Zuffa could assembly a good legal team (money is as money does), but it would be in their best interest to keep Dana far away from this

Yup, you are correct, sir!

Mr. Socko - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm pretty sure failing the test

Is breach of contract on Cyborg’s part. The difference is that Zuffa generally would prefer to keep guys on board because (a) they don’t really care about PEDs and (b) it puts the fighter in question back on the free agent market. Now in Cyborg’s case (a) still applies but there really is nowhere else for her to go, she’s pretty much stuck with Zuffa.

hah, Rousey called her the Ivan Drago of WMMA on the Rogan podcast.

Ha! Ronda and I are on the same page. Cool.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

Shocked.

I think all of us will remember where we were when we heard this news.

really though…

Not Sure If Serious

Picture of Joker from most recent Batman film.

hmmmmmmm

FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum - January 6, 2012 reply

Not totally surprised I must admit, it’s a shame though. Another nail in the coffin for womens MMA?

Michael Waldron - January 6, 2012 reply

word.

should be a little easier to phase out strikeforce’s women’s 145 division now since it just phased out itself.

!

That shiny dude has weird tits.

brad23 - January 6, 2012 reply

if he makes it to 60 they will be to his knees

we'll never know

http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/dp/B001JOIEZ4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325893295&sr=8-1

Wow.....que the twilight music...

purplehazelett - January 6, 2012 reply

I don't know what that sounds like

DSAhawker - January 6, 2012 reply

Or did you mean twilight zone?

DSAhawker - January 6, 2012 reply

Here:

why was her fine so small? that does not seem like a lot….does it?

F'n Clownshoes - January 6, 2012 reply

The blow to her checkbook means nothing

Its her career that is now possibly ruined

TheCode - January 6, 2012 reply

Well, say goodbye to her credibility. Now people are going to wonder whether or not all of her wins were due to being on ze roids.

MicahtheCynic - January 6, 2012 reply

Say goodbye to an entire career. Even if she returns, ever win is questionable. Nobody will let this go because she’s so massive in comparison to other fighters. It’ll always be a footnote. Always. She’s done.

Leland Roling - January 6, 2012 reply

it's a shame too

because male fighters can come back from this, but in her case I agree she’s pretty much done. double standards!

Male fighters still carry it with them forever but absolutely not to the extent that this is going to effect her

Agreed

There will always be questions, simply because she is heads and shoulders better than any other woman fighter on the planet. It is too bad, she is a lot of fun to watch.

HeadKickOfDoom - January 6, 2012 reply

yep

that’s what I mean, Chael for example can become champ, some ppl will always question him but he’ll still have a career, but for her since she’s been so unstoppable and overpower all her competition she’ll never recover.

I say she is off to WWE now.

But...but...

there’s no place in the modern WWE for steriod abusers right….RIGHT???

that or

Japan, why not eh :p

oh damn

Minowaman better watch out!!!

NOT COOL! Waitaminute…yeah, reckon you’re right…siiiiigh! Maybe someday, ’roids will be out of WWE…and maybe monkeys will fly out my butt! Anybody got a gif for that?

Mr. Socko - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

The difference is with Cyborg you can see the advantage

She is ridiculously huge and shredded compared to every opponent she has ever fought. Whereas when male fighters are on steroids, it doesn’t give them such a pronounced physical advantage (think fat Barnett on roids).

Very few (if any) male fighters have been as dominant as Cyborg

Nobody is too bothered about questioning Tim Sylvia’s record because he lost most of his biggest fighter. If Jon Jones were to pop, now, that would be a different matter.

It's accurate, but not fair

I mean don’t get me wrong, she had no business roiding, but look at a guy like Josh Barnett, he’s in a good position because his division is historically shallow and he’s said on top of it for most his career despite testing positive several times

good point, but it’s still bad for women’s MMA

tigerlee - January 6, 2012 reply

It’s awful for for all of MMA, but it delegitimizes all the progress SF had made in WMMA

It really only reflects on Santos. The fact that she looked so different from all the other WMMA fighters will hopefully soften the blow and the image of WMMA won’t suffer.

I hope you're right

But Cyborg has really been the face of WMMA since 2009. Ronda is barely a blip on the mainstream radar in comparison (at this point in her career)

We’ll see. I am not ready to bury her career yet. Is this a huge dent? Yes. If a year from now Rousey is the champ and Cyborg comes back I’m still jacked for that fight. No pun intended.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

every Cyborg post is gonna be full of trolls making roid references now, sucks

lol

that was already the case

that's what i was thinking

The Lethal Haze - January 6, 2012 reply

now it's not just roid references

we can cite sources.

Every WMMA post in general attracts lots of trolls.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

sucks

BE is mostly really good at not attracting trolls

by banning them

the good ol' ban hammer

but historically some of them in regards to WMMA have been BE staff members

Many Guys

Came back from these type of offenses. I think as long as she pays her fine, rides out the suspension then fights and does not test positive she will be good. I don’t think her size has anything to do with it.

Coeman - January 6, 2012 reply

The key word there being “guys”.

TheLastEmpress - January 6, 2012 reply

It’s sad how valid of a point this really is,

With all the WMMA-haters, there’s no way she lives this down

The WMMA haters need to be eliminated like yesteday’s trash.

memitim - January 7, 2012 via mobile reply

They’re going to wonder or they’re going to know?

I'm so surprised! XD( sarcasm)

Rampage01 - January 6, 2012 reply

..somebody didn't time their cycle right..

UncleMax - January 6, 2012 reply

she hasn’t had her cycle for a long time now (insert troll face)

hey hey now come on guys

maybe she’s just on TRT

Dude, we get it. Stop.

for reals

OMG I KNEW SHE WUZ A DOOD LULZ!!!!!

this

I hope to see the same temperament whenever Sonnen’s failed drug test is the topic of discussion in the future.

You commented four times in 4 minutes with a variation of the same tired-ass joke. Try adding something more constructive.

I imagine you will if you troll it up like you are here.

A trolling accusation implies that I’m saying things that are intentionally disingenuous to get a reaction, but I’m being genuine. I mean come on, for years you would always hear baseless accusations of her being on roids just because of her appearance and how she has been destroying everyone. So basically, I’m basking in the catharsis and u mad.

IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!

WMMA takes a big hit

and may not recover if Ronda is a bust.

Haha

this should not be a shock to anyone. She looks like a female body builder, compare her to anyone she has fought and look at the difference in muscle.

wmuk - January 6, 2012 reply

Exactly, I don’t think there was ever any question about whether she used steroids or not. It is physically impossible for a woman to look like that without using, and she showed several tell tale signs.

The womens 135 div. is about to get very interestinga

Oh wait, nevermind. No it isn’t.

I_Mad - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

145

I_Mad - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

She fights at 145

And no one else fights there. She wasn’t even really a draw anyways, and didn’t have any opponents to fight (outside of a Gina comeback). This really doesn’t mean anything for WMMA. WMMA is where it was before. Hopefully Rousey will become a break out star and then WMMA has a chance.

no shit, it was a typo.

But if you feel better about yourself for dropping some hardcore MMA knowledge then good for you.

I_Mad - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Damn, dude

You ARE mad!

im trying to keep a theme going here...

I appreciate the observation.

I_Mad - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

mad bro?

When the running joke is that you're manlier than your hubby, then test + for roids, you fucked yourself over so much...

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HeadKickOfDoom - January 6, 2012 reply

almost got it

I’m curious as to what this says about her ADCC victory.

Sucks for Ronda, that's one less big money fight for her if she gets past Miesha.

On the contrary, now she gets to keep her face intact.

Simen - January 6, 2012 reply

Rousey would have tossed Cyborg

then subbed her on the ground. Their grappling is on completely different levels.

Nah I think Cyborg couldve fended off the submissions and knocked Ronda out, but it doesn’t even matter anymore. WMMA is moribund

So’s their striking. And the caliber of their opponents so far.

Simen - January 6, 2012 reply

I'd love to watch that fight

I just think Cyborg has really sloppy technique. She got mounted by Gina, a muay thai figher, in their fight. What do you think an Olympic Judo bronze medalist who specialized in quick ground submissions is going to do to her. Ronda would have to avoid the early bombs but I don’t see her getting messed up.

She got mounted by Gina because she pulled her there...

I see Cyborg keeping her distance and lighting her the fuck up.

Tonley - January 6, 2012 reply

Did you watch the fight?

Cyborg attempted a hip throw from the clinch, Gina defended, and in the ensuing scramble Gina landed in mount. And promptly abandoned it.

But I know I know. Cyborg’s shitty judo is conclusive proof that her jitz is horrible.

The Lethal Haze - January 6, 2012 reply

hasn’t she been to the semifinals of ADCC like both times she competed?

I don't remember about her first time

but I seem to remember her grabbing the gold medal for the female purple belt division.

The Lethal Haze - January 6, 2012 reply

the point is, she’s gotta have decent jits to accomplish that

Or just, you know....

…do a buttload of steroids

I don’t know steroids, but Im sure even if I were juiced I couldn’t beat anyone my size that had actual training in jitsu

it was a bit of a joke...

I thought so

Just a disappointing story for me as a big Cyborg/WMMA fan

You might have a point

Cyborg’s technique isn’t really that good, her strength is her main attribute. Strength that probably isn’t natural

Damn. I hate it when what seems obviously true is true.

Simen - January 6, 2012 reply

In other news.

Randy Couture is old.

Rutager - January 6, 2012 reply

how many Chute Boxe guys got popped for roid again?

She also doesn't actually train at a Chute Boxe gym.

pdl - January 6, 2012 reply

ye, but I’m guessing he’s making a reference to old school CB guys like wandy or shogun.

Orcus - January 6, 2012 via Android app reply

Rudimar Fedrigo manages her, plus she has the logo as a tattoo.

you still didn’t answer how many chute boxe guys got popped for roids…

Orcus - January 6, 2012 via Android app reply

was doing some googling

but yeah Wandy admitted to doing them when he was in Pride IIRC, also Vinicius de Queiroz which is more recent, and I remember reading somewhere that steroid use in the camp was a factor behind Anderson Silva leaving but I can’t find it now.

oh, you were doing some googling and found a page somewhere that wandy acknowledged he did roids in pride? how come that never became news? and you heard somewhere that ppl did roids in the gym but you can’t find it now? ok, I also heard somewhere in the internets that the moom is made of cheese, I must believe it now…

Orcus - January 6, 2012 via Android app reply

Vinicius de Queiroz got popped at UFC 120 for Stanozolol and was cut from the org

Also, yeah most of the stuff regarding steroids in the Chute Boxe camp was always rumor, but when you see how Wandy looked in PRIDE compared to how he looked in the UFC before and after PRIDE it makes you wonder.

you mean he looks different now that he dropped to 185?

Orcus - January 6, 2012 via Android app reply

You beat me to it

no, even his fights at 205

Please tell me this isn’t the first time you’ve ever heard anything about even the possibility that Wand was juicing in Japan. Rampage even made a reference about how Wand wasn’t as big lately because he couldn’t juice like he wanted to for fights in the US in the UFC 75 pre-fight presser.

And I didn’t just happen upon this info at some crackpot website along side declarations of the moon being made of cheese, this is just all stuff I’ve read over my years of internetting.

but if it was made out of bbq spare ribs would you eat it?"

maybe not,

but if I was a hot dog, I sure as hell would eat myself.

wash it down with a tall glass of Budweiser.

OwMyArm - January 6, 2012 reply

CUBS WIN CUBS WIN

bottom line

how many times have Shogun and Silva been caught using roids? I can’t recall

never, obviously

but my whole reason for putting that logo up was because there were always rumors back in the day of Chute Boxe fighters juicing it up and it’s funny that one of Rudimar’s proteges got caught.

meant to say that it’s not surprising that one of Rudimar’s proteges got caught.

I’m with you.. nothing has been proven, but in general its mostly been assumed that Wanderlei and most other PRIDE stars where juicing something fierce. Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t. But it’s definitely been heavily rumored.

I don't think it really matters anyway

I’m pretty sure it wasn’t illegal in PRIDE

again

you’re taking year’s of interneting rumors as facts. this is just silly, you even pointed out to a “supposed” interview you read of Wanderlei’s saying he acknowledged he took them. just because people keep making stuff up and putting them online without any credibility and you constantly read them without any skepticism and take them as facts does not mean they’re true… in fact, it more than likely means they are not true…

things I hear throughout my years of interneting… that’s just hilarious now.

Orcus - January 7, 2012 reply

Yeah, he looks SO different

ElliotMatheny - January 6, 2012 reply

/thread

selective pictures

DayuumHeGotDropped - January 6, 2012 reply

Oh, come the fuck on.

ElliotMatheny - January 7, 2012 reply

This made me laugh.

Yes, there’s no reason to think Wandy used PEDs in Pride and continues to use them in UFC. Every fighter who passes a drug test must be clean. These fighters are too unsophistacted to know about things like masking agents.

Jeff D. - January 6, 2012 reply

I'll give you a reason..

Look up some of Wandy’s old interviews from his Pride days. Dude’s voice sounds at least 3 octaves lower, like he just woke up from a room filled with constant secondhand smoke. Likewise, Cyborg has always sounded like linebacker from junior varsity OR like most other female bodybuilders who are big enough to compete at the Olympia.

Forever tarnished unless one condition can be met:

Cyborg needs good representation in front of CSACK showing her growth rate from early teen years up to now. If she resembled a chick up until some point and then somehow morphed into the artist now known as Cyborg.. viola! Banned for good. If she’s always had half-ape genes since pre-pubecent days.. well.. um.. dayuum.

except there are pics floating around

where cyborg clearly looks very feminine and soft. when she shows up for fight night, she’s jacked and looks more mannish.

You can say the same thing about Anthony Johnson, Jon Fitch, Rampage, etc

They look feminine and soft?

Shotokanman - January 6, 2012 reply

Johnson, yes

Cunny - January 7, 2012 reply

Totally.

Photobucket

Shotokanman - January 7, 2012 reply

Don't front

You know you want to kiss that silky-soft cheek and see him smile and giggle bashfully

Cunny - January 8, 2012 reply

That's Sean Kingston.

Shotokanman - January 8, 2012 reply

You're Sean Kingston

Cunny - January 9, 2012 reply

I know I used to use megadoses of niacin to clear my urine for testing…but that was for ganja. Now I’m just a simple high school grad and was able to put that together. Surely these camps know more than I do. BTW, to anyone thinking of trying it, it doesn’t work anymore, and hasn’t in about ten years. Sorry, testing has gotten too sophisticated. CURSE YOU NANCY REAGAN!

Mr. Socko - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

That's nothing but speculation, though.

Personally I don’t give a shit whether Wanderlei juiced or not.

I will say, you don’t seem to really understand what “masking agents” are. They aren’t just some magic pill that you can take to obscure test results.

ElliotMatheny - January 7, 2012 reply

Chute Boxe is a lot different now than it was during the Pride heyday — different trainers, different fighters, different atmosphere. I wouldn’t take something that happened a year ago as evidence for the gym culture five-ten years ago.

Patrick Wyman - January 6, 2012 reply

I see this stuff a lot....

…when it comes to hot button issues. Both sides go too far trying to state their claims

Yes, Rob is totally using bogus sources as his evidence, but to act like what he is trying to prove is analogous to the moon being made of cheese is just silly, and it makes you seem overly eager to discredit him.

Just saying

it’s meant to be silly, finding rumors online and taking them as fact IS silly, that’s my point

Orcus - January 6, 2012 via Android app reply

and it’s a good point

Fair enough...

…I just think that when it’s a rumor like:

“Professional athlete uses PEDs”

It should be treated with a little more credibility. It clearly is a reality in the sports world that has not been accepted by the majority of sports fans and media. But it’s a reality none the less.

It really baffles me when I read the quotes of guys that claim that like half of all MMArtists use roids. Like if it’s really that easy to use them and cycle them before testing, why wouldn’t the commissions test more thoroughly? or why can’t a journalist expose the connection between roid suppliers and more MMArtists.

But I can’t deny that a lot of professional athletes use roid, I just don’t think there is any ground to speculate about what proportion is using them until someone uncovers the distribution of roids to pro athletes

Well, my thoughts on it are this:

The commissions don’t really care. They just want to have the appearance of caring.

Why can’t a journalist expose the connection? MMA is a very small world and I suspect that anyone who went around muck-raking would be quickly blacklisted.

Commisions need to step up

I guess I didn’t think of it as muck-racking, but that’s a really valid point. I guess we just have to wait until a bitter has-been of the sport publishes a memoir and exposes how so many guys can get away with it

Personally though, I like to pretend that that the guys not getting caught are not using

Commissions do care

But they don’t have any money.

Worldisart - January 6, 2012 reply

Well, we have at least first-hand account from some long-time fighters and whatnot. Dennis Hallman said that probably at least half was on something, counting low. Ken Shamrock basically said everyone is on something. BJ Penn often states that practically everyone is on steroids, except himself of course.. I don’t see any huge reason why I wouldn’t believe them, especially when it’s known that the testing is woefully inadequate.

To be fair, BJ bitching about his opponents having some kind of unfair advantage is not exactly coming from a great base of truthiness. And I say this as a Penn fan.

why? BJ complains about training

because he’s not on PEDs and has clearly stated he doesn’t like walking around sore. PEDs and TRT or anything make you recover faster and therefore NOT as sore if you were training without them.

He complains about everything. If he loses, there’s an excuse. GSP was greasing. Hughes, his ribs were hurt. If other people train harder than him, it’s not because he’s lazy, it’s because they’re on ’roids. I love his fights, but he needs to quit being a baby.

thirdparty - January 7, 2012 reply

the only type of rumors that should be given any small amount of credibility are rumors created inside a camp, such as Joe said that Jim from gym X takes steroids, he noticed that when he was training with them, those can be given a small amount of credibility. Analyzing the look of fighters by people on the internet is not credible and should not be given any type of attention…

dude even said Wanderlei admitted to using roids, that right there should tell you how much stuff the guy reads and accept as facts.

Orcus - January 7, 2012 reply

Mark Coleman never got popped for steroids either.

But if I talked about him being a juicer then whoooooa i’m in tin foil hat territory zomg

I think this is a positive for WMMA, since eliminating her eliminates the 145 division and makes it easier for Strikeforce to focus on 135

troyd - January 6, 2012 reply

Unless Gina comes back

She sure as hell can’t make 135.

Your right

but she doesn’t appear particularly concerned with fighting anymore

troyd - January 6, 2012 reply

If the money is right

She’ll be back. That’s the vibe I got from her recent interview with Ariel. Cyborg being poppped for steroids makes it even more likely since she could rule the division again. All depends on if her movie career takes off or not (see Rampage).

does this mean

we can have gina back now????

flashlight cop - January 6, 2012 reply

AHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA was this ever

even a real issue? Everyone suspected it and now it’s confirmed. So she got fined? Does she still keep all her money from her fights even cheating so blatantly?

she always just looked like a vitamins and protein shakes kinda girl too, it’s always the ones you never expect

Why are some people so happy about this?

cuz internet

This is bad for the sport. the one (active) female fighter that has some recognition is now going to be considered a roider ad infinitum.
Roids are such a bad association, they delegitimize the smart

i agree.

Feels good to say "I told ya so"

Also feels good to see cheaters get busted. Especially cheaters who have been smashing poor defenseless Asian women’s faces in.

defenseless? it’s not like she is wandering around tokyo clotheslining random women

btw,

I would watch that show.

I’d pay for it.

somebody get Seacrest on the horn

we got a new hit!

Now what do we call it…

Gal-zilla

Name approved!

And rec’d!

rec'd for creativity with the quickness

hahaha

Holy cow! Biggest laugh all week! My imagination is running wild! “Watch now, Frank, as Cyborg Santos takes out an unsuspecting octopus ball vendor! WHAT A CLEAN SHOT! WHAT TECHNIQUE!” “Boy, I’ll say, Michael, that’s when you know all that hard work in the gym has paid off!” “She’s ringing more bells than The Hunchback Of Notre Dame!”

Mr. Socko - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Saying “I told you so.” to this is like the Naval clock telling you what time it is.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

because she's a blatant cheater

and people like justice to be served. When people talk about the “legitimacy of WMMA” taking roids obviously discredits WMMA when the reigning champion is busted for it.

Because the super accurate “i know it when I see it” steroids test has now improved it’s accuracy rating to about 2%. This is a great day for internet scientists everywhere.

Choi’d.

LOL

Unbelievable.

My suggestion:

Tate/Kaufman for the 135 belt.
Rousey/Yamanaka for the 145 belt.

or wmma dies hopefully

lololol. Oh, you.

finally something constructive

I like this idea. Convince Carano to come back, and set her up for a shot at 145.

I think they just get rid of 145 and focus on one weight class.

Id love for them to have a 140 and 120 weight class.

TheLastEmpress - January 6, 2012 reply

Why?

Because that way you have two super divisions. You get thefighters from 145, 135, 125, and 115.

TheLastEmpress - January 6, 2012 reply

How do you figure?

There’s no guarantee that 145ers can make 140, and 125ers can make 120.

That would be horrible for a girl like Tate, who is small for 135 anyway. She wouldn’t be able to fight at 120, and would be really small at 140.

Plus, five pounds means a lot more when the fighters are lighter.

discoandherpes - January 7, 2012 reply

I suppose. But 145 is way to weak, and I haven’t really seen any better suggestions. Maybe just scrap 145.

TheLastEmpress - January 7, 2012 reply

I say scrap 145 entirely

There are no really established fighters at 45 outside of Carano and Cyborg anyway, and we’re not going to see them back in the cage for a long, long time.

discoandherpes - January 7, 2012 reply

WOW!!!

This is all i can say right now.

you must be "excited joe rogan"

Mabey she needed the help

now that she has to live up to the expectations on being the highest paid female athele in the world, of all time, ever!

Joben - January 6, 2012 reply

In other suprising news....

The sky is blue.
Bacon tastes good.
Getting the flu isn’t fun
Simon Cowell is an obnoxious prick
My farts are not well received by those around me.

It was just a matter of time before this came out. We all knew it.

DerSpiegel - January 6, 2012 reply

I like watching her fight,but

I always felt bad for the girls facing her, the beatings she handed out were cringe inducing.

Rutager - January 6, 2012 reply

I am actually surprised. Wonder if this is her first time using since she was on such a long layoff or if they caught her mid-cycle.

her first time? she looks like chyna lite

She could have BROCKLE SNAR genetics.

so she is built like a black man?

Mike Goldberg is now going to start saying that Melvin Guillard looks like a mini-Cyborg Santos.

rec'd for obscure brockle quote reference

she’s hung like one

I think you need to grow up on a farm for that.

Rutager - January 6, 2012 reply

lol

Can't say i'm surprised.

av1o3 - January 6, 2012 reply

This is almost a non story to me.

Not that I had proof of her juicing but to me it was obvious.

fightersvizion - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

you are quite the intuitive one

Im not surprised

She is just such a beast

NEW-HAMPSHIRE - January 6, 2012 reply

Well, at least we won’t have our intelligence insulted with “dr prescribed TRT therapy” for this one.

troutki - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

She should just head to WWE now

will make more money there.

Anyone wanna guess how long it will take......

For her to blame either tainted nutritional supplements OR that she was given them unknowingly by someone in her camp OR she just needed them to recover from an injury and has never ever used them before? Anthing except it was her fault and she knowingly took them.

DerSpiegel - January 6, 2012 reply

I think if she doesn’t outright own up to it she doesn’t deserve to be brought back at all.

kick_puncher - January 6, 2012 reply

MicahtheCynic - January 6, 2012 reply

This makes me laugh. Every. Time.

That’s the “this mofucka right here” face, for any of those curious.

So is Ronda Rousey...

going to fight for the vacant 145 title now?

She's going to fight herself

Mortal Kombat style.

The Lethal Haze - January 10, 2012 reply

the dreaded mirror match...

So how long is the suspension?

Isn’t standard practice a year?

So she returned from a huge layoff…scored a huge 15-20 seconds(If that) of fight time, and will now be forced to sit out another year while her whole career is tainted by one positive test.

that’s the bitch of it all…for all we know this was her first time. Until you test positive once you are typically given the benefit of the doubt, but once you DO test positive…people assume you were on it and never got caught the whole time.

Which is more likely?

That she never used before, naturally had a physique of a muscular man, dominated everyone, and then decided to start using before her fight with Yamanaka —

OR

she was always using and just got caught this time.

Pantherhare - January 6, 2012 reply

see my comment below

I was always suspicious. I was just making a sort of general statement…now it doesn’t matter if she used before or not, one positive test is all the public needs.

Yeah, her reputation as a legitimate athlete is done

stop being silly

I'm not saying she never used

I was just commenting on the climate of it all. I believe she WAS using in previous fights, and the positive test confirms it.

I’m just saying in the MMA community is doesn’t matter, even given the outside chance that she WASN’T using, everyone will just assume she was anyone…she kind of cast a cloud over her whole career by pissing hot like this.

I felt bad for that asian girl

so this makes me happy.

Is anyone surprised?

ALKATRAZ33 - January 6, 2012 reply

When was the last time the #1 fighter in a division tested positive for something?

GSP tests positive for laynprayosterone after every fight and no one does anything about it

NSAC is such a Zuffa puppet.

I am proud to be on this guy’s team.

Where did you get that?

Coeman - January 6, 2012 reply

it’s a busy night for MDH.

As in #1 in the world?

Was Sean Sherk considered #1 when he was UFC LW champ, or was Gomi still good then?

I suppose you could make a case for Josh Barnett, since the Couture fight was before Nogueira-Fedor I.

Sherk is an interesting case.

His opponent Franca tested positive as well while Sherk passed a follow up test and it’s been mentioned that it’s possible that the commission hung him out to dry to cover their incompetence.

doomrider7 - January 6, 2012 reply

The Sherk thing is still a little weird.

And the prize for least surprising MMA news of 2012 goes to...

brad23 - January 6, 2012 reply

Do they strip her of her belt?

Seems like the logical thing to do to me.

Scott Whitaker - January 6, 2012 reply

Of course they do.

The worst response possible here

is “are you/we really surprised?”. Don’t be the hackneyed soul who does that, por favor.

Luke Thomas - January 6, 2012 reply

there are already like 8 of them

thank you

Ikilled007-“Are you/we really surprised?”

A tattle-tale!

I just find it hilarious.

Well that was the point.

well, congrats?

You're welcome.

Unfortunately the nature of today’s sports leaves me completely cynical about every athlete. I think they all are using something at some time. I’m not just talking about MMA, all sports. And not just the people we know about. I’m a huge Yankee fan and wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if anyone on the team, except Mo, was using something, including Jeter. Like the old saying. The question for me isn’t who is using, it’s who isn’t.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

I agree.

Luke, do you say that because journalistic integrity requires that we should only work with facts and not speculations or suppositions?

good question

I think there’s a limit to how much a journalist can speculate, but it’s completely cool for them to pose open-ended questions to start a new discussion

I think that regular athletes should be allowed to use PED’s under a doctors supervision.

"My bad, Luke"

-Matt Roth, other post

Farthammer - January 6, 2012 reply

Are you/we really surprised?

Jon Jones’ nuts will get a bit lighter around these parts in a minute or two.

Why, for having fun?

That would be ridiculous.

Women’s MMA just died this mornin’ and she’s dead, she’s dead.

It’s a big blow to Strikeforce as well IMO.

brad23 - January 6, 2012 reply

This

If they decide to spot promoting WMMA, there’s really no reason to keep SF around unless they label it as a bonafide prospect division

which they hopefully do and use it also for guys who are around ufc calibre but are going on bad runs – dan hardy et al.

I like SF more as an alt. to UFC that promotes women too. but i think they should have SF in a ring and do more to differentiate the production model and bring back epic entrances for guys like Mo and Mayhem

How strikeforce should handle this

-Cut Cyborg
-Convince Gina to fight Hiroko Yamanaka
-Put Kaufman in for Ronda against Tate
-Let Ronda fight Alexis Davis

Then hopefully be able to put together Carano versus Ronda at 145 for the belt
135 should be relatively unscathed

Why does Cyborg deserve to be cut?

bigdmmafan - January 6, 2012 reply

shouldn't be cut

but she should be stripped of her belt.

My thinking is that by cutting her and then not mentioning anything for a year, by the time her suspension is up they could possibly bring her back in with less attention to why she’s been gone.

and it counters the damage this will do to the legitimacy of WMMA by making it appear as if there is a zero tolerance policy

Not bad at all.

They should hire you as “Vice-President of Damage Control.”

I wish!

First thing I do, fire Volkman

Why, exactly?

yeah he's the most exciting fighter out there

quite the compelling personality too.

I was thinking about doing a fanpost to explain the position after the fight, but soo lazy

anyway, basically, if he loses they are probably gonna cut him (re: eliot Marshall, Gerald Harris, Jon Madsen)

If he doesn’t lose, the fans lose big time. No one is going to be happy about paying 55$ with volkman fighting for a title. And gosh forbid he wins a title, then Zuffa would really be fucked.
They don’t need him around or want him around, so get the message to him that he needs to round out his skill set and start submittting guys

I don't think Alexis Davis has anything for Rousey

A lot of people are surprised...

but there are those people who always assumed she was on something.

For me it was surprise, then disappointment.

not surprised she was using, but very surprised she got caught.

Ronda should fight for the vacant 145 title...

then fight Tate at 135 and promote it as champion vs champion.

that’d be a cool idea. they need Ronda at 145 now

not really

cuz who is Ronda even going to fight? I guess Yamanaka again?

Let Ronda make the cut to 135 and snap Alexis Davis’s arm off, get Carano to fight Hiroko, then have Carano vs Ronda for the belt at 145, easily the biggest WMMA fight since Cyborg/Carano and gives them room to have Tate fight the winner in a champion vs champion bout

HAH!

Well well well! I guess now those of us who had been implying she only won because of her obvious steroids usage and resulting man-body can now come out of the limelight. The difference between her and a real woman has always been quite stark. Women simply don’t get to look like that without heavily using steroids. I actually think this is good for womens MMA, because now the real legit women can have a chance at that belt and fame, without having to resort to obvious drug use to ever be able to beat Manborg. Oh lord.

Ban her....

she hurts my eyes

Kid Kimura - January 6, 2012 reply

OmG!!!11!!!

Sir Smoke-A-Lot - January 6, 2012 reply

“I do this every night with your son.”

Jeffrey McCrum - January 6, 2012 reply

This is worse than finding out Hermes is going to prison

Whoa, is this recent news??

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/01/former_ufc_fighter_hermes_fran.html

Its pretty bad

Damn

he really thew everything away in life

didn’t he sexually assault a student of his or something…?

Yeah, an underage student

yeah...

so if its true, hope he rots in jail.

Guilty plea so yeah he’s fucked once he gets to prison rightfully so

yeah

she was 13 or 14 years old

Andy Anderson - January 6, 2012 reply

http://mmajunkie.com/news/26857/ufc-vet-hermes-franca-sentenced-to-42-months-in-prison.mma

Apparently he just got his sentence today, 3,5 years in jail

Hermes Franca today was sentenced to 42 months in prison for sexually abusing an underage female student in a jiu-jitsu academy where he once taught.

That’s according to a report today from “The Oregonian.”

After initially pleading not guilty to seven counts of sex abuse in the first degree and two counts of unlawful sexual penetration in the second degree, Franca pleaded guilty to one count of unlawful penetration and one count of first-degree sexual abuse on Wednesday in a Clackamas County, Ore. courtroom.

Franca, 37, also was sentenced to four-and-a-half years of post-prison supervision, and he must register as a sex offender.

steroid bully

#4080

t0X - January 6, 2012 reply

FUCK!

Cris, you are an asshole, girl…shame.

Unabomberman - January 6, 2012 reply

haha. At almost the exact same time

Robust23 - January 6, 2012 reply

FUCK&!*# Is anyone else mother f'ing pissed right now.

She was on a such an impressive streak of utter fucking dominance and violence that I looked forward to watching her attack her prey…but now all of that is f’ing irrelevant. Half of woman’s MMA is gone. She f’ing single handedly put a grand canyon sized hole in the face of women’s MMA.

Robust23 - January 6, 2012 reply

I am so pissed, this type of news is such troll fodder

Aaaaaaaand that's a wrap for high-profile Women's MMA.

SSreporters - January 6, 2012 reply

What the hell Cyborg? Why do you need steroids?

A injury? She’s so much bigger then her opponents. Is it all from steroids? Damn. This is bad news. I guess Ronda made the right decision.

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just call it TRT

Just call it TRT and cheat legally like Hendo and Sonnen do

seriously, take a test, if its not low enough keep taking, and then take the lowest reading and go to some crackpot doc (there are lots, and pay them of course) who will give you an Rx for T and there you go!

Marc Gunn - January 6, 2012 reply

you say seriously but you’re joking right?

Robust23 - January 6, 2012 reply

I don’t think it works like that for girls dude…

Worldisart - January 6, 2012 reply

Hey, it interferes with her career okay. That’s a disease.

Damnit.

Just, damnit. This chickdude could really end up setting women’s MMA back with this.

Tag01 - January 6, 2012 reply

That is definitely going to be the conversation before every significant WMMA fight now

edit

*part of the conversation

aTn - January 6, 2012 reply

At Least WMMA Isnt More Popular

Otherwise there would be more media attention. As it stands, I highly doubt this gets picked up by any major news source at any point, and even if it does it will be relegated to a back page where barely anyone sees it. I’m not even sure a major MMA star testing positive would make the news. For example. would anyone in the mainstream media have cared if Alistair Overeem tested or god forbid tests positive? I’m leaning towards no.

ZapRowsdower - January 6, 2012 reply

I lol'd

http://mmajunkie.com/news/26856/strikeforce-noncommittal-on-cris-santos-future-white-says-belt-will-be-stripped.mma

If she dies, she dies...

Danthemmaman - January 6, 2012 reply

Now what's her husband gonna do?? Time to find new employment I guess.

RECE ROCK - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Now what’s her husband gonna do?

Keep losing fights.

MicahtheCynic - January 6, 2012 reply

China vs cyborg at wrestle mania….

RECE ROCK - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Cheating sucks

KGW - January 6, 2012 reply

Stunned!!! I did not see this coming!!!

dpk875 - January 6, 2012 reply

crazy cuz she is the champion

I’m still not surprised at all just look at her.

ChiTown1 - January 6, 2012 reply

"What the fuck is happening babe?!" -"I don't know. I was only training 24/7..... I swear!!!!!"

killphil - January 6, 2012 reply

ugh...

Kid Kimura - January 6, 2012 reply

I knew it.

I knew she was on roids in the post fight interview her voice was so low she sounded like a man! It sucks because I really liked her but I can’t stand cheating especially in combat sports.

agent johnny utah - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Well... that's pretty terrible.

I never really enjoyed watching her fight (mostly due to nobody being able to compare to her) but I respected her considerable skills. Perhaps she can recover from this but the factors at play will make a return very tough. Dark days indeed.

Pyrgz Krum - January 6, 2012 reply

Wow, this is so disappointing. Although I am relieved to discover that she doesn’t look that way naturally.

mollcutpurse - January 6, 2012 reply

well steriod scandals do bring attention to sports

and womens mma needs attention. cyborg will be back at some point and more people will care cause of this

and in other news water is wet and the sky is blue

milk72 - January 6, 2012 reply

Oh, and 400+ and counting comments in two hours on a Friday night. No one cares about WMMA.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

No one cares about WMMA...

True, they care about steroids.

MMAussie - January 6, 2012 reply

Yes they do. Cyborg/Gina is one of the highest rated Strikeforce cards because people cared about it. Just like they care about Cyborg popping and they will care about what happens next.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

Not really

It was one of those fights that transcends the sport in its popularity

Where have those ratings been since

Cunny - January 6, 2012 reply

Certain fighters, like Brock or GSP, main event a card and it gets a lot of eyes. You put someone of Gina’s magnitude or Ronda in a little while if she maintains success and put them in a big fight, perhaps against each other, and if it is marketed properly as their fight was and you will see those ratings. There is a reason why Brock/Reem got. 750k and Aldo/Mendes will have a tough time breaking 200k. Fans tune in to watch stars.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

That's what I mean by transcending the sport

People who wouldn’t usually watch MMA tune in for certain fights

It’s not about WMMA at all

It was a compelling story

The hottie vs the terminator

Cunny - January 7, 2012 reply

noone really does care about wmma though

milk72 - January 6, 2012 reply

i'd like to see it change

but its not gonna happen under SF the girls need to come to the big leagues

milk72 - January 6, 2012 reply

It will get there in time. I think this gives WMMA a better chance in the long run. Especially a 135 or even better 140 division and a 125 division. Scrap 145.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

I agree here

But if they scrap 145, then Cyborg’s career is in fact over.

Derek Suboticki - January 6, 2012 reply

She said she was could and was ready to go to 135. Now she has to and has herself to blame. It certainly makes it much more interesting.

memitim - January 6, 2012 via mobile reply

She's stripped of the belt according to Dana, division will probably be canned as well

“She’s getting stripped of the belt,” White today told ESPN 1100 AM Las Vegas’ “MMA Insiders” show.

White, part of the Zuffa ownership group that acquired Strikeforce in early 2011, also suggested Strikeforce’s entire 145-pound female division could be scrapped.

MattParker117 - January 6, 2012 reply

and to pre-empt the sexism outrage

Barnett was stripped of his too.

OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy - January 6, 2012 reply

Same with Sherk

I smell a conspiracy

Dana finds a way to scrap a whole women’s division. Pretty neat and tidy, isn’ t it?

Bill P. - January 6, 2012 reply

well i guess to get a fight now, cyborg will have to make 135

convenient way to cut her without cutting her if you ask me.

yes, faking drug test results and letting some poor girl get the shit beat out of her is much easier than just not signing her to a new contract.