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Who dat?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Awwww
Are you trying to make Bishop cry?
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
So how about them lions?
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Oh yeah…wasn’t there supposed to be a big Lions victory tonight…? What happened there? Any info?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
I'm sad for Megatron.
KatGirl - January 8, 2012
Bishop is barely holding back the tears in the pre-show talk
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
There was. The Lions defense was much better than Kim Winslow was tonight.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
WE AREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LIVE!
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
I feel like we should spice the show up tonight
Tonight’s secret word is.. “banana”
Y’all know what to do!
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Where is Cyndi Lauper to sing the theme?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Don’t cry for me, Matt Bishop!
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Based on tonight event, is it a good idea for strikeforce to contiue or should they have just folded everyone into UFC?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Keeps a potential competitor out of CBS/Showtime. I used to think that this was the reasoning behind this, but now, who knows? It was certainly a smart move IF they can drive interest in the product on Showtime, and?
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
whats on CBS that anyone would watch? Like boxing or what?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Big Bang Theory.
Things like that are what CBS gets ratings from. Combat-sports just don’t sell on CBS. FOX has a much better chance.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
only now
do I understand that you meant the TV program and not the actual theory.
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Right now
It’s hard to say what Zuffa gains, but it does diversify their product reach and does give them a lot of control over the landscape of the sport.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
I don't get why SHO re-signed
Best case is they’ve got lop-sided fights, worst case they’ve got random BS fights that nobody cares about.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
me neither
they needed to fold this up since the purchase
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
So Luke Rockhold calling out UFC fighters was cute.
He still has to fight Kennedy and in all honesty should probably run it back with Jacare. It’s not like he’s miles ahead of the rest of the SF middleweights.
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
At least he's speaking his mind
Whether you think he deserves to be moved on up, he’s not sitting there pouting like everyone else.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
like
Melendez
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
See how pumped Mo and Lawler were?
Those dudes weren’t happy they won, they’re bummed that they’re more or less stuck in Strikeforce.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Don’t change the subject.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
If Keith Jardine sang with Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis
he’d be Dean Martin.
[Edit*Please, don’t get out the Ban Hammer! I couldn’t find the Delete key before hitting Enter!]
( . Y . ) - January 8, 2012
Here comes Forrest Lynn with: “Dude, this show was awesome. MY DAWG KING MO WON. MY DUDE KING MO WON. HEY, MY BOY KING MO WON. MY DAWG!”
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
whats up with Forrest? Like… his enthusiasm is overwhelming
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Don’t worry. It is coming.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
There’s not no one else. Rockhold still has to fight Kennedy
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Tyrone Woodley has gotta be the most boring fighter in MMA
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
/shameless plug
SF Post Fight Recap
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
you should do a ‘this week on headkick legend’ but only include your posts cus thats all i care for
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Haha, thanks a lot bro. Don’t hate on Rainer tho, he keeps the site alive. Look for some stuff from me this week tho, plannin on picking bak up with the “Looking Back At a Legend” series
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
no idea who Rainer is. But ill keep an eye out for that cus I enjoyed the first one/two of those you did
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Rainer is the manager/editor
He’s the most regular contributor, by a long shot.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
He's Squishing Machine
one of the best writers out there
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
Wait…who cares about Cavalcante? Is he top 25?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
He fought in Japan.
That’s pretty much the logic.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Oh. So…Forrest throws Japanese fighters under the bus, but clings to the sack of a fighter who is only good for beating Japanese fighters? Got it.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
I love how Keith Jardine ran directly into Rockholds fist at one point
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
MIDDLEWEIGHT TITLE CONTENDER!
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Me
I think it’s most laughable that the main event of the 3/3 show is apparently Tate vs. Rousey, given that the challenger hasn’t even fought on Showtime yet, and Tate hasn’t fought since July. With that card I’ll be surprised if they draw more than a few thousand at most to the Nationwide Arena.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
I thought Tate/Rousey was on the event with Cormier/Barnett
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Rouseys last fight was on showtime no?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Challengers, That’s why it gets no “respect.”
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
yeah challengers is....
beyond awful. but stil on showtime
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Well
Honestly now, it was Showtime Challengers, which almost doesn’t even count.
As for the finals of the Heavyweight Grand Prix, it was implied by Cormier during his interview on the show that he wasn’t ready for 3/3.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
Huh?
She’s been on Challengers twice so far. She’s not drawing more than a few extra people to the show, but it’s not like she’s a nobody.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Depends on the buildup. That’s a money WMMA fight, the marketing will certainly be there.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
No, his momma calls him Leroy.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I can barely understand what's being said
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Sounds fine to me
Refresh
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
The volume on my laptop is very limited
I’m sure that’s the problem
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Well, I don't exactly have it cranked up to 11 to hear anything
I certainly wouldn’t say it’s louder than average, but it’s not THAT far below. Maybe invest in a pair of $3 earbuds ;)
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I probably should
But yes, the lowness of the volume on this comp is always an issue. and no way to adjust it
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
No?
What kind of laptop is it?
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Toshiba Satellite
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Isn't there some Fn+F# key that you can crank it up on?
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
apparently not
Just tried all of them
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
I think that generally only controls the OS volume anyway
But if that won’t get it up to a “normal” volume, then you’ve probably got either blown out speakers, or a bad connection. If it sounds like trash with headphones then you’ve got a bad soundcard (or at least a bad amp on the card), and a PCMCIA or ExpressCard soundcard for the headphones.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Nah, noticed it from when I bought the thing
And it was a complaint I found from some other reviews. Other than that, it was a great deal tho, so I can’t really complain
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Well on my laptop and mp3 player
the callers (? or do they use skype) like Forrest and Bryan are very difficult to hear. Sounds very compressed to me, but maybe that’s because of their connection.
killphil - January 8, 2012
Well, Brian and I are on Skype. We should be fine. Forrest was on the phone and his connection was not as good last night as it was when we did the UFC 141 Roundtable.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Ah, I see.
Yeah, it was pretty much only Forrest.
killphil - January 8, 2012
Rockhold gets beat by Bisping btw
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
lol funny because it's true
Rob Young - January 8, 2012
Rockold would beat STANN? OKAMI?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
You are correct.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Brian Stann is no good? Get this guy off the air.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
FORREST LYNN GOT THIS.
Brent Ducharme - January 8, 2012
He might beat some UFC guys but I’m not even sure he gets passed Kennedy
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Wouldn’t it be great if all the fighters fought under Zuffa so the best could fight the best?
John Nash - January 8, 2012
I didn't hear the argument
but Forrest is right.
Brent Ducharme - January 8, 2012
Based on what, Forrest? Beating Jacare?
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Luke Rockhold loses to: Alan Belcher, Rousimar Palhares, Mark Munoz, Chael Sonnen, etc.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
He probably beats Palhares
Has a competitive fight with Belcher and probably wins a decision. Tough to say with Munoz, and if his athleticism can keep him afloat he can decision Sonnen.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
dunno about Sonnen but agree with the rest
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Sonnen’s too mean for Rockhold.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Sonnen would be rough
That man could take down practically anything, it seems, so it would be up to Rockhold to keep it standing for enough of a round to win it. I wouldn’t favor him, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
imo
the only chance he has is sub off his back which isnt happening
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Jacare is good
I scored that fight for him but I understand others giving it to Rockhold. Styles make fights and Jacare would prob beat Bisping too.
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I feel like Jacare might do better than Rockhold in the UFC at 185
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Bishop, way to call it.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Bishop talking some fucking sense.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Rockhold is NOT that good. At all. Good lord.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Matt
keep Forrest on mute. For good
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Dude, you are just like…mad stupid, bro!
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
for reals.
Forest is an idiot
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
..for reals!
ZapRowsdower - January 8, 2012
Bishop is like “MY MIND IS FULL OF FUCK”
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
And that Fuck
is being ****** in all the wrong places.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
There are guys like Chris Leben running around the UFC 185 division so I don't necessarily disagree w/ Forrest
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Leben at least has some legit wins on his record. Rockold beat up Jardine.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
he beat Jacare. Who did Leben beat?
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Yo Bishop let them go at it man. It's hilarious
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
What do you do with Tyrone Woodley in Strikeforce? His performance tonight was incredibly subpar, and for a promotion based off exciting matches, does it hurt them to have him as a likely reigning champion?
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Okami takes him down consisently
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
consistently*
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Yes, because lat dropping Chael Sonnen is a small task. Everyone does it! I just did it last Tuesday!
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Also, who has Luke Rockhold beaten that signifies he’d have any success against these guys Forrest is mentioning? Aside from fucking nobody?
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I think he’s going off what he’s seen in the gym from Rockhold.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Maia pulled off an incredible takedown on Sonnen
But overall his takedown offense is incredibly inconsistent. He has only a 33% takedown accuracy.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
BEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLAAAAATTOOOOOOORRRRR!!!!!!!
BRRRRIAAAANNNNN HEEMMMMMINGGGERRRRR!!!!!
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
He's gotta fight Kennedy & then run it back with Jacare
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Does Forest let anyone talk? Good lord.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
I think i get it now
Forrest has a boy crush on ATT and is therefore blinded by bias
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
*AKA
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
yes
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
but CAIN!!!!
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Well, shit. If Luke Rockhold doing well against King Mo in sparring makes him Top 5, then Feijao is the number 1 light heavyweight in the world.
Fuck Jon Jones. Feijao is the best. According to Forrest logic.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
He's not coming out of nowhere people have him up there
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Holy shit!
The guys who train with Luke Rockhold say he’s THAT good? He’ll dethrone Silva for sure..
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Lombard consistently ranked at (?).
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Rousimar Palhares would eat Luke Rockhold.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I’d have Rockhold 7ish without thinking too much about it
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Brian Hemminger traded me Adrian Peterson in fantasy football.
People should know this before listening to him.
Brent Ducharme - January 8, 2012
I gave up on that league when I got autodrafted
I won my pay league, champion. People should know that
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
This is true.
I’m just playing with you Hemmi. Your opinion on Hector Lombard is pretty wild, but I can’t hate on it too much.
Brent Ducharme - January 8, 2012
Wat.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Wait….Mike Kyle is relevant?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Forrest is acting like everyone is dissing Rockhold
we’re not. You’re just completely overrating his skills and wins IMO
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Overrating his wins, yeah, definitely. Overrating skills? Who knows.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
true
he has potiential. And he could be a force but I’ve seen nothing special in his game that makesme think he would have a major impact in the UFC
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Also, I’ll bet that Tim Kennedy beats Luke Rockhold.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
I'd take that bet
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
As opposed to Keith Jardine?!
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
but
JT MONEY
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
So, that puts him in par with CB Dollaway.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I've never commented on BE while under the influence of alcoholic beverages.
It’s “free reign” on Machiel Van right now. And yes, that is my real name (mostly).
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
YOU SUCK
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Ouch, Whatever. I clearly rule.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
J/K
love you lots
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I like your username.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
if you get it
I love you. LOTS
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Cribs?
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
<3
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Who?
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Hopefully exactly.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Belfort smashed Rich Franklin when Franklin was highly ranked
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
At 195 pounds, though.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Bigger win than Rockhold has though.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Rich Franklin is king of 195
AKA Franklinweight
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
That was a weird one.
But a
win against Franklin at a contracted weight is quality IMO.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
WHO THE FUCK HAS Rockhold beat apart from Jacare??
Also Rumble is not a WW
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Oh, we’re talking Belfort now? The guy who slaughtered Rich Franklin? Former Middleweight champ?
Come the hell on, man.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Wasn’t at middleweight, though.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Unless you gave the decision to Jacare and not Rochhold
Jace_San - January 8, 2012
No cause, both those fights were real close.
Jacare, Kennedy, Rockhold all are in a real tight race
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
That is exactly how I feel about Rockhold.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Holy cow. The piss poor logic. My ears!
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
What's Rockhold gonna do to Kennedy. He's a very similar Jack of all trades fighter
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Randy Couture grappled Jacare to a draw with pure wrestling. Jacare isn’t an MMA grappling Jesus.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
There's good speculation that Jacare wasn't going at 100% in that contest
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I think Jacare came in with a really weird game plan
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
But Couture was grappling not to lose that.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
I know. It was pure defense. Thing is, out-scrambling Jacare doesn’t really mean much. Not in the context of middleweight MMA.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Jacare = the man who’s sole purpose in life is now to defeat Luke Rockhold. By the way, Luke Rockhold defeated Jacare.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
I pretty much agree with Forest about Rockhold
I think Jacare might not have come into that fight completely ready but Rockhold is the got a strong future.
John Nash - January 8, 2012
I think he wrote Rockhold off. Then paid the price. I don’t blame him; we were all telling him that at the time.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Cant fault Herb, its hard to train for Jardines unorthodox style of getting KTFO.
Broseidon - January 8, 2012
The 2nd time Jardine fell it was over.
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Jardine has to retire, right?!
So many knockout losses
Jace_San - January 8, 2012
Nah, he'll keep fighting when someone pays him
I wrote him off a long time ago, and see no reason to change my opinion now.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
So does Jardine stay at 185 or go to 205lbs
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
205
please
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
he looks worse at 185lbs than 205lbs
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
How can you blame Lawlor for that?
It was an illegal blow, it should have been broken up and there’s no reason for him not to take whatever time is given him
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Agreed wholeheartedly. I’m saying it got much worse after he saw the ref coming in.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Oh yeah, without a doubt, he hammed it up a bit
But I don’t blame him at all for it, that’s just good fight IQ
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Did that flying knee really hit? I feel like Adlan was just confused after that and decided not to fight anymore
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
It did hit.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Grazed. Completely legal when it was thrown.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
It definitely hit and whipped his head straight back
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
The knee that Adlan was hit with was SOLID
Not a ton of steam behind it, but it was on. Now, Robbie’s knee on the other hand, didn’t look like it hit at all.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Behind temple.
Hard to see, brutal for equilibrium.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
you mean
the illegal knee that Adlan threw or the one that Lawler threw?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
The point was taken, that's all I ask for.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Showtime NEEDS a new commentary team
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
I think it would be a lot better if it was just Mauro and Pat
Mauro needs some work nowadays, but Frank brings everything down as bad as Gus.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Mauro was not as bad tonite as he has been recently
But they need to keep him off camera til he grows his hair back
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
actually thought the commentating wasnt the worst I’ve heard from them. Obviously not saying much but… like… you know?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Frank was saying the fight was still on while Winslow was separating the fighters
That’s effing terrible
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
compared to usual strikeforce though? Like cringewortthy moments were low..ish tonight?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I dunno
I do my best to ignore them
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
same
I tuned in when Frank spoke just to see if I had to drink
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Don't hold your breath
He shaved it a while ago, and is keeping it up.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Then keep him off camera
It’s a painful viewing experience any time he’s on screen
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Frank Shamrock is dumber than a bag of hammers.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Nah dude, over acting is bullshit especially if he could have convinced them to end that fight off an illegal knee that didn’t hurt him.
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
I'd agree with you if he had gone for the DQ win
Just taking some time? Nah, that’s just smart
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Hey Now
I say that Lawler wasn’t the best actor in the fight! As some others said in the live thread, the “knee” that knocked out Amagov looked like it didn’t even hit. As I said there, Adlan almost looked like he pulled an Alessio Sakara at UFC 65.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
I’ve been to regional shows with solid reffing. Did Forrest toke up before this?
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Ouch
I haven’t always agreed with Forrest tonight (to say the least) but after seeing some HORRIBLE officiating on the low-rung shows they run sometimes on the Southeast regional network Sun Sports, I do have to agree with him there.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
Bad reffing isn’t really exclusive to regional shows. It just depends on the night.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I'm just glad that they finally diagnosed Lawler's asthma
Because that’s clearly what’s been holding him back these past few years.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
That’s a rec. Anyone following Lawler over years should rec that.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
You’re not good in Strikeforce unless you spar with King Mo.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Oh dear god. Chael vs Rockhold would last one round.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I'm glad I read this, so I can just write off everything else you say as troll bait
Sonnen has finished one fight in over four years.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
and if he fought Rockhold, it would be two. Write me off all you like. You’ll just be wrong.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Exactly what indication do you have that he wouldn't do better than Chael's opponents?
If you want to hate on Rockhold that’s cool, but don’t pretend that you’re being fair when you say things like that.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Nobody’s hating on Rockhold, for fuck’s sake. He’s just not that great, and Forrest is snooker loopy.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
"Not that great" doesn't equate to being finished by Chael Sonnen
Troll all you want, but don’t expect to be taken seriously by saying things like that.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I really wish I could just post an image, but I’ll just ask the obvious.
“U mad bro?”
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I'm not mad, I'm realistic
Chael Sonnen went to a decision with BRYAN BAKER. The only reason Stann got sub’d is because, for as much as people want to believe to the contrary, he sucks. Call Rockhold unproven if you want, and say that he gets beaten by Sonnen if you want (because he probably would be), but that man ain’t getting stopped by Chael Sonnen.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I'd take Stann over Rockhold
halitosis - January 8, 2012 via mobile
that’d be a good fight. I’d prob favour Stann
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Stann gets taken down, finished in the first round
That dude has no wrestling, and Rockhold has enough athleticism and wrestling to make it happen. Stann is an exciting fighter, but really isn’t very good, as has been proven.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
By who?
Chael Sonnen? Phil Davis? He gets beaten by fantastic wrestlers. I don’t see how its fair to say he has no wrestling.
halitosis - January 8, 2012 via mobile
How about Krzysztof or Massenzio?
It’s not about getting beaten, or being taken down by fantastic wrestlers (which they are), it’s about HOW he goes down.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I feel like Robbie Lawler is a super crappy fighter that somehow manages to land a lucky shot. And anyone that actually sticks to their game plan would win
Melvin Manhoef was f’ing him up when a moments stupidity got them F’d.
Adlan was taking him down at will till he decided to eat some knee
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
He's a one-dimensional fighter with heavy hands
You don’t get “lucky” with that level of success. He’s lost some rough fights, but compare his record to Manhoef’s and it’s pretty clear that he’s just a one-trick-pony that has a good one trick.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Matt
you think the last two SF cards have been worse in terms of exciting fights, have been worse than previous events? I mean like ignore relevant fights or fighters cus that is gone but exciting fights?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
granted
tonight had a few snoozers but IMO this has also been what SF has been. Who cares if the fight is relevant or not (clearly they’re not) just let them fight and enjoy them?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
All of Strikeforces top talent were removed before the contract was resigned
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Who besides Diaz?
Free agents got signed
Joben - January 8, 2012
Overeem, Werdum
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
If you look at some of last year’s greatest fights and most hyped fights:
All of the Strikeforce HWs in the Grand Prix are gone almost.
Nick Diaz vs. Paul Daley? Diaz gone.
Diaz vs. Cyborg? Diaz gone.
Fedor vs. Hendo? Both gone.
Cyborg’s beatdowns? Gone.
Who else is there to care about?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Even freakshows like Bobby Lashley and Herschel are gone. And people were drawn to that.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
MOUTAINEERS 70 CLEMSON 33
Just had to do it.
Huggy Bear - January 8, 2012
Dan Henderson tweeting that Tarec got his arm broken in the 1st round
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
yet he somehow manages to do better in the latter rounds
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Strikeforce = thin “divisions”, fun fights
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
There’s no “stakes” in SF. But we still all watch the fights. The question is, who are “we”?
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Not only have they lost Diaz, Overeem, and Hendo but they’ve added nothing.
Before Strikeforce kept some of the best from fighting in the UFC but also served as an option for fighters. Now, the some of the best still aren’t in the UFC and now serve as no option for the fighters.
John Nash - January 8, 2012
Who besides Hendo?
Joben - January 8, 2012
Okay UFC should not have said that they were going to become the new UFC. But we all know that wasn’t going to happen. Why not just accept Strikeforce for what it is now that we know its not going to become the ‘new UFC’?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
But what is it?
A ghetto for some great fighters – Melendez, Feijao, Mousasi, King Mo, Rockhold, Kennedy, Souza. It’s not a feeder program because feeder suggests the possibility of moving up. if fighters like those who’ve I’ve already mentioned above can’t move up to the UFC then it’s not going to be a feeder promotion.
John Nash - January 8, 2012
get the good fighters out of there.
I know its not going to happen now but there are some legit fighters in SF that need to be in UFC that are completely wasted in SF
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
It's always had no context in Strikeforce
You guys just choose to acknowlege it now!
Joben - January 8, 2012
I had a friend who was a casual fan over tonight.
Even though we watched the Lions game until the King Mo fight he thought those 3 fights were exciting and has a renewed interest in the sport now.
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
Hey Forrest, what did King Mo mean when he says they can't leave SF. Even tho his contract was up
are they just offering them way less money to go to the UFC or saying they wont take em into the UFC?
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
They can't keep people from leaving
But basicly the UFC “offers” are a lot less than what Strikeforce will offer for the same fights. Extreme low-ball offers to keep the Strikeforce tallent where they are. They’d have to make up the rest on sponsor cash, which would be pretty rough.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
please address this
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Bizznezz azzz usual mutha*****z!!!
Huggy Bear - January 8, 2012
They need to start taking chances. Bring in guys like Jienotsu or Kikuno? He’ll provide some excitement. Bring in weird Japanese talent. Something. Good lord.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Strikeforce = “contenders” league (in a PPV based industry, “contenders” can be defined as (?)) I think that therefore, Strikeforce has a (?) chance.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
All i can say about SF fights is that they’re entertaining. Maybe that’s enough? It is for me. More high level MMA FTW!
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Tyron Woodley called.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
yeah
if we all just stop pretending its relevant and just accept that it is what it is. Semi exciting fights
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
agreed
bellator>strikeforce
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Which is sad. But true.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
That's pretty damning.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Is it though?
Bellator shouldnt be shot upon like it is
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
shit*
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Maybe, maybe not
They poach Strikeforce/UFC retreads, make STUPID programming decisions, have terrible production, and the fights they offer their champions suck.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I think the problem is that Strikeforce punched above their weight with the HW GP and began to take them seriously. They should be right down there with BAMMA and Tachai Palace but with better talent
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Probably
What irks me about them is that Strikeforce has 5-10 really good fighters that are being held back because of the SHO contract. Like Forrest said, guys like Mo, Rockhold and Melendez are toiling in mediocrity, while there are some completely random scrubs being picked up for UFC fights.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
just said this above
There are some really good fighters that would make a legit impact in the UFC. If they can move the whole HW division I think they should be able to move th elite in each division and just call SF what it is
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Contractually, they can't
Showtime didn’t want a league full of nobodys, and part of the contract was what we see today with the UFC more or less holding them back in Strikeforce. Melendez was pretty much slated to move up, but SHO killed it. You notice that one day Melendez is talking about UFC fights, and around the time the Showtime extension is announced he isn’t? That was why.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
but is it in their interest to have 2-3 guys that everyone knows are good but have no opposition or have lots of good prospects and lots of opposition?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
It is, and it isn't
A league with a few good fighters will have people tuning in to see those fighters. A league with none will have only the hardcores tuning in. Showtime wants the best that they can get, and if that’s only a handfull of good fighters that’s what they’ll take.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Who does Strikeforce have that is a draw to any one but hardcores at this point?
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Mo, Mousasi, Feijao, Melendez, those kinds of guys off the top of my head. When I say hardcores, I don’t mean the people who will tune into Strikeforce, I mean the people who will watch any MMA and keep track of people that you and I have never heard of.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Those guys are talented but I wouldn't call them draws
Fedor, Hendo, and even Diaz were draws. You’re talking about talented fighters and I agree they are, but they’re not going to bring in a lot of viewers.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
They won't bring a lot of viewers
But how about this.. if you had tonight’s card, without all of the name fighters on the name card, would you tune in? At that point you’ve got a card that has less name value than the MFC. And there aren’t many people watching that promotion.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
i would tune in
I dont tune in for ‘name fighters’ I tune in for the brand tbh
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Well, you're an anomly
At this point, without anyone with a name, they’re no better than a random HDNET Fights event. I don’t usually watch Challengers because there isn’t usually anyone worth watching; the fights tonight, and Strikeforce going forward, are essentially Challengers, but with a few name fighters. Not huge draws, since they don’t have them anymore, but names none the less.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I watched the last challenger because Rousey was on it but I never would have heard of it if it wasnt a SF card
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
If it wasn't for Rousey, I would've deleted it immediately.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
It hurts me
But I actually went out of my way to download it
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
That doesn't change the fact
That SF no longer has anyone that’s going to get people to subscribe to Showtime and that is the entire point of having SF on a premium channel.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
Agreed
I feel like at this point their BEST outlook is that they can develop up and comers, but they’ll probably just tread water where they’re at today. Of course, they’re going to piss off whatever name fighters they’ve got today (Melendez, etc), but that’s what will happen with that model.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
That's fine to refine it is a development league
But they have to find a way to bring in viewers or the deal is absolutely worthless to Showtime.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
who in SF now is a draw? They’ve lost Diaz, Overeem, Fedor? Like Bellator basically has no-one but they do… okay ish numbers when everyone knows they have maybe 1/2 fighters that would impact in the UFC
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Ugh
Huggy Bear - January 8, 2012
Oh god. Here we go…
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
ugh.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Well, Cecil Peoples is a ref……
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Not just the stand up, that 17 punch ground & pound out was crap
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
I wish WInslow worked the Tyron Woodley fight
John Nash - January 8, 2012
Bellator is not more relevant?
Jesus. Bellator has 1 or 2 top 10 guys in the world. At least Strikeforce can put fights together with 2 top 25 fighters. Bellator can’t. Not even in their title fights.
Joben - January 8, 2012
1 or 2?
That’s pretty optimistic. I doubt even Hemmi has that many of ’em in his top tens.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
“At least
StrikeforceZuffa can put fights together with 2 top 25 fighters. Bellator can’t. Not even in their title fights.”Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
And Yet
If I download the post-show from Sherdog’s website later tonight I’m sure I’ll hear Jordan Breen STILL say that Ms. Winslow isn’t a bad referee! Remember, that douche still believes that she did a great job in the cage with Cyborg vs. Jan Finney.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
the dean of breen?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
For what it's worth in Cyborg/Finney
Cyborg was beating the hell out of her, but Cyborg would let off JUST enough so that she wouldn’t stop it. She doesn’t like stopping fights unless there are some FAST punches, as opposed to hard ones.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Women’s refereeing = Women’s MMA
Commendable, but SO much worse than male MMA.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
yes
so much yes
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Bro, Mazzagatti's worse.
Winsow just hasn’t FAILED on more BIG stages than him.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
Brian
“Laying the wood” means something else world wide..
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
I agree. Winslow is terrible. I'd say equal rights but male judges fuck up to
Joben - January 8, 2012
She's a ref, not a judge.
I agree though, she’s not as good as Yamasaki, Dean, McCarthy, etc.
Machiel Van - January 8, 2012
I revoke
your He Man Woman Haters Clud card!
Huggy Bear - January 8, 2012
I'd like to hear Dana's thoughts on Winslow as a ref!
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
I wouldn’t call what Mo did to Gegard a “pounding.” More like leg humping.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Name dropping…
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
UFC still needs feeder organizations
Huggy Bear - January 8, 2012
pains me to say
I agree with Forrest
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
So……did Forrest never see the Feijao fight? Yeah, Mo’s good, but not THAT good.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
That was a weird fight. He did some weird things and didn’t fight to his potential there.
And Forrest was there, so he saw it.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
That’s the thing though. It wasn’t Mo’s potential. It was Feijao’s ability to nullify Mo’s game, because Mo is pretty limited as a fighter. Great wrestler, hard hitter, but his striking isn’t very diverse and stuffing his takedown attempts puts him in a bad position.
I can’t see Mo beating the best at 205. Anyone with solid defensive wrestling is going to have a big advantage.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Haters gonna hate
Is it AKA, or just Forrest that you want to get down on? Two guys whupped their opponents tonight with little effort, and you’re saying they’ll never ammount to anyhting.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I'm glad I read this, so I can just write off everything else you say as troll baitMicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Is that an acknowledgement that you're just trolling?
Or are you just parroting what I said about you? I’m genuinely interested, because I’d like to know the source of the hatorade that’s flowing forth.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I'm pretty much fucking with you.
You’re easy to piss off. If you were actually reading what I was saying as opposed to being a baby about things, you’d see that I don’t hate AKA.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Mo fought with a torn ACL and PCL
Forrest Lynn - January 8, 2012
So's your face
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
plus Mo had a bad knee injury
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
Mo had no ACL at all in that fight
Hard to shoot in for a takedown with only one leg.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I've heard osmosis and symbiotic in this podcast.
Shit is crazy.
Brent Ducharme - January 8, 2012
They’re learning y’all
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Prolly a little late but after 2 rounds thru that Mein/Woodley fight the judges had it 1-1…2-0 Mein..and 2-0 Woodley…that’s just insane.
Jesus H. Christ - January 8, 2012
2-0 mein? Really?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Yup that’s what Trowbridge had it thu 2.
Jesus H. Christ - January 8, 2012
beyond crazy. I’d love to score it that way to annoy the ‘takedown wins the round’ idea but wtf
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Forrest: Do you mean Zuffa is afraid of being a monopoly?
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
I think that’s what he’s insinuating.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
He said it not just poke at it
Joben - January 8, 2012
sounds like it
They are supposedly being investigated by the FTC
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
By the food union
Joben - January 8, 2012
I'l' take King Mo in a rematch against Mousasi and/or Feijao
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
me too
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
With the way Mousasi has looked, any good wrestler will take care of business
I don’t know if I’d drop cash on him against Feijao, but I’d probably pick him to win.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
They might put Mousasi against Feijao first
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
That would be a lot more fun. Can’t see a fight between Mo and Gegard or Mo and Feijao going any differently than last time.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
I see Mo vs Feijao goin differently than last time
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
you guys take a break?
I need a pee!
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I'll sum up what happened in 50 characters or less while you're gone.
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
go
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Matt thinks the guys were thrown to the wolves tonight, Forrest doesn't think so as much.
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
Forrest disagrees
shocker
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
It's full speed ahead
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Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
lol
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
Business as usual for Strikeforce
They never had depth. They just signed Fedor and Hendo and you guys thought they were legit,
Joben - January 8, 2012
And drunk Joben has arived!
First, their heavyweight division was just as strong as the UFC’s. Admittedly top heavy, but they had some of the top talent in the world.
Second, their divisions throughout the divisions were definitely but, they pretty much had a top talent in each division. Hendo was one at LHW, with Mo and Mousasi and Cavalcante to fill out the top of the division. Diaz ruled WW and Jacare at MW.
Now they’ve lost the majority of the top level talent they had and have zero draws left.
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
You should have heard me on the podcast
Drunk Joben indeed. I actually was introduced as Joben. It was fun.
Joben - January 8, 2012
i love the joben
But srlsly you made some good points
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
It was a drunk mess. I'll do better next time
I will actually have pre-thought questions instead of winging it.
Joben - January 8, 2012
Damn, I'm truly disappointed that I missed it
Chris Hall - January 8, 2012
oh what a pity
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
All I’m hearing is mumbling.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
guys
who is next for Rockhold? Kennedy? rematch Jacare?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Gotta be Kennedy.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Kennedy is all they've got
I don’t see much of a point with a Jacare rematch at this point, since Jacare hasn’t fought (let alone WON) since their last fight.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
if they had of rematched
instead of Jardine, would you have complained?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I would've complained less
Because that fight was pretty definitive to me. It’s dumb matchmaking, but slightly dumb than the Jardine fight.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
I scored it for Jacare
But I was drunk and wanted Jacare to win
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
The rounds were close
But they weren’t close enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I wanted Jacare to win too.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
What event waqs this on? I’m gonnawatch it again tomorrow
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
It was the WGP event from September last year
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
Barnett vs Kharinotov. Probably the worst STGP events
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
SFGW
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
The "deep end?"
Imagine Diaz fighting Cyborg? Imagine Jacare fighting Rockhold? Imagine Mo fighting Feijao, Imagine Melendez fighting masvidal?
How dare they?
Joben - January 8, 2012
Mein's dad kept yelling you're winning, you're doing damage, he's not doing anything
maybe the shitty judge was influenced
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
I think Woodley does less than Fitch. A lot less.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Hendricks can fix his wagon! :P
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
Actually, if Fitch fought Woodley, I think Woodley might get submitted. I mean, that’s quite the talent gap.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
fitch sub from the bottom?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
I was thinking Fitch takes him down, Woodley panics, gives up his back, and then choke.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
yeah its a possiblilty. It would prob be a contest to see who could shoot the fastest?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Why would anyone wanna go train at the gym Woodley opened up after this crap
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Scared is a good call
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
Sure he's scared
At this point, he probably knows that when he loses they’ll cut him. There isn’t much need for a fighter that is less compelling to watch than Fitch.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
One of the few times I agree with Forrest.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Wrong profession for risk averse. If he does this the second he loses he's gonna get cut
He’s like a quieter Antonio McKee
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
I just drew some pretty deep parallels between this show and another famous radio show. Wow…
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
question
If you were T-wood would you care that the crowd is booin you or would you be annoyed and try to make it more exciting?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
yo, are those 12 to 6 elbows that Mein was throwin legal when they land on the top of the head?
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
They aren't legal anywhere
I can only assume the ref didn’t call it because he was on his back, and didn’t know any better. Any time your arm goes in that movement with the elbow in that motion it’s an illegal blow.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
yes they are legal
because they are 6 to 12, not 12 to 6 if you throw them from bottom.
Brian Hemminger - January 8, 2012
huh?
how does that work? Isn’t 12:6 in relation to the fighters and not bottom or top?
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
It WOULD be 3-9
Except that it’s not the orientation of the body, it’s the elbow going straight from the head down towards the feet. It’s the point of the elbow that they’re worried about, since some fool saw a guy breaking blocks and got freaked out.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
yeah that’s what I’m sayin. He was throwing them from the head down towards the feet…
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
And that's why it's an illegal blow
Not to mention that a bunch of them were getting through to the back of the head.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
We need to buy Bellator Brian a Kim Winslow swimsuit calender for 2012.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
man
Forrest Lynn - January 8, 2012
You’d be in for it, I know. I think that is a birthday gift.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Not cool.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
sorry
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
“She’s dead, Jim.”
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
This is a real person...
https://twitter.com/#!/sperry72
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
homepage?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Try that again...
https://twitter.com/sperry72
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
unrelateed
Its MY 40th birthday. Any chance of a shout out?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Happy 40th
Even if it doesn’t make the show. Good times to come.
Joben - January 8, 2012
Is anyone else bummed out that Scott Coker has been turned into a sad and empty shell of his former self?
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
kinda
me
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
He hasn't changed just got rich
Joben - January 8, 2012
please dont leave
Im still sober
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
What life? I speak English.
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Oh. He’s rich. Why not just say “He’s rich”?
MicahtheCynic - January 8, 2012
Tyron Teddy Bear Woodley..
should be his new nickname because he put me to sleep! He should not get a title shot with that dryhumpfest performance!
waterade - January 8, 2012
forrest
sssshhhhhhhhhh
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Yep. But at least we don’t dislike him as much as Micah.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
Im right up there with Micah. In that he talks shit and makes no sense?
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Yeah…but I wouldn’t go to the straws he is grasping at.
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
What about Dean Malenko
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
CHRIS BENOIT!
I guess we could go with Mike Whitehead? Joe Son? Hermes Franca?
mountaineers101 - January 8, 2012
isn’t he the one that they didn’t wanna name
Robust23 - January 8, 2012
You guys are the HammerHouse of PodCasts
Joben - January 8, 2012
good job Matt and Neil
Forrest… not so much
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
and Brian good job
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Woah there Matt!
Sexytime - January 8, 2012
I Can't Believe This Show Almost Went Two Hours
But I’m glad it did as it had some great moments… such as Bishop just insinuating that The D.A. Neil Wagner is a homosexual!
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
i hate
forrest lynn
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Yeah
This show thread has made that more than clear.
Blair Russell - January 8, 2012
i'm trying not to hate too much
But he is the reason I don’t listen to BE radio on a regular basis
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Well Forrest is really only on the show these days during the post-fight shows, so feel free to listen in to the weekday shows.
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
<3
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Five fights? Two hours?
Nobody is more shocked than me. Also, let’s assume that he means that I’m constantly eating food.
-Neil- - January 8, 2012
This
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Thanks everybody for listening!
We appreciate it!
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
just for the record
I think you and Neil (and Brian( speak the truth
Our Bovine Public - January 8, 2012
Why thank you!
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
DOWNLOAD LINK!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bloodyelbowradio/2012/01/08/episode-120-strikeforce-rockhold-vs-jardine-review.mp3
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
Ba Bye
Joben - January 8, 2012
BUH BYE!
Matt Bishop - January 8, 2012
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