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War Machine Sentencing Hearing: Complete Transcript

War Machine

War Machine

Jon Koppenhaver was once considered one of the best young fighters in MMA. Having the opportunity to train with Ken Shamrock and Oleg Taktarov, Koppenhaver had coaches that most regional level fighters could only dream of having. It was on the sixth season of the Ultimate Fighter that fans became aware that Koppenhaver may have some real demons that he had to deal with in his life.

After his tenure in the Ultimate Fighting Championship, Koppenhaver's life too a turn for the weird. He legally changed his name from John Koppenhaver to 'War Machine' in hopes of blocking a battle over his likeness. A series of nihilistic tweets about wanting to die in the Philippines after a knife fight and a stint as an adult actor soon followed.

Koppenhaver admittedly views this as an extremely self-destructive time in his life. He was training less and partying more and was having difficulty balancing the various segments of his life. He was incarcerated for a year due to a fight in San Diego and during this time he had nothing to do but think. Fans were able to follow his life via a weekly blog and it quickly became apparent that he saw the error of his ways and was using is time in prison to better himself as a person. He wrote about opening a gym and trying to mentor at-risk fighters so they would not make the same mistakes that he once made.

Once released War Machine cut a deal with the District Attorney's office about an incident that took place at a local San Diego bar called 'Thrusters Lounge'. In his deal with the DA, he agreed to pay for the victim's medical bills and serve probation.

On February 2, 2012 War Machine appeared before Judge Valerie Adair of the Clark County district court in Nevada. It was intended to be a sentencing hearing with War Machine and his attorney expecting the judge to sign off on the plea bargain with the DA. A transcript of the hearing shows that this wasn't as typical of a sentencing as one would come to expect.

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Full transcript after the jump...

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DISTRICT COURT
CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA

STATE OF NEVADA,
Plaintiff,
vs.
WAR MACHINE, aka, JONATHAN PAUL KOPPENHAVER,
Defendant. )

CASE NO. C276252-1
DEPT. XXI

BEFORE THE HONORABLE VALERIE ADAIR, DISTRICT COURT JUDGE
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 2, 2012
RECORDER'S TRANSCRIPT OF HEARING RE:
SENTENCING

APPEARANCES:
FOR THE STATE: SHAWN A. MORGAN, ESQ.
Deputy District Attorney
FOR THE DEFENDANT: GARRETT T. OGATA, ESQ.

RECORDED: LAS VEGAS, CLARK COUNTY, NV., THURS., FEB. 2, 2012

THE COURT: State versus War Machine.

MR. MORGAN: Court's indulgence.
Steve Miller.
Judge, we do have a speaker; I'd ask that he be able to speak last.

THE COURT: That's fine.
And, Mr. Morgan, what's the State's position? No opposition to probation but has retained the right to argue all terms and conditions, and I'm assuming the underlying sentence as well?

MR. MORGAN: That's correct, Judge. I just -- I understand that we're asking for probation, and I would ask that it be on the felony given the facts of this case, the extensive damage to the victim, and I think it's appropriate given all the facts as well as when you look at the defendant's other criminal history and his two prior violent felony convictions. With that I'd submit it.

THE COURT: And I'm assuming the 61,000 and change in restitution reflects the extensive medical bills that the victim had to incur as a result of this?

MR. MORGAN: That's correct, Judge, workmen's comp payout.

THE COURT: All right. Your true name is Koppenhaver but you've had it legally changed?

THE DEFENDANT: Yeah, I had it legal -- I had to change it for legal reasons. I was getting sued for copyright infringement. It's my nickname --

THE COURT: Right, you were a fighter?

THE DEFENDANT: Yeah.

THE COURT: All right. What if anything would you like to state to the Court before the Court pronounces sentence against you?

THE DEFENDANT: Well, I just want to say that, you know, like, my lifelong dream was to become a professional athlete and make it to the UFC, all right. I got into the UFC; I had a couple fights. And then when I lost my contract, I got, you know, I battled a lot of depression, and I got real self-destructive, and there's about -- about two and a half years, three years where I just kinda stopped caring about anything and acted like a jerk, you know. I never had gotten in trouble before, and these three years I just, you know, I went out a lot. I was drinking too much. I was getting in bar fights, and I was just, you know, acting irresponsible and acting stupid.
After this case I actually got into a fight in San Diego, and I served a year straight. I just got released in July. In that year I had a long time to sit there and think, you know. Before it's like I was getting in trouble, getting in trouble, but I was never -- I never got punished, you know. Like if you touch a hot stove and it doesn't burn you, you touch it again, you know. So that year really gave me a lot of time to reflect, and a -- and it remotivated me to get back into my career and do the right things. And since then I've been married.
I've been out for six months now and haven't been in any trouble. I've been doing my anger classes. I've been staying sober, and I've just been avoiding bars and avoiding alcohol, and just, you know, trying to live life correct. I made a lot of mistakes but that year --

THE COURT: What are you doing to address your alcohol problems, and do you have, like, counseling or AA or --

THE DEFENDANT: No, I didn't have an alcohol problem like that; I just had a problem with -- really it was bars. It was a combination of bars and drinking and my temper and the fact that I just didn't care about anything, you know. I mean, I was being -- I get tested every -- I'm on probation in California so I get tested, you know, once a week for alcohol. I do anger management classes, you know, and I'm just avoiding stuff. I'm staying in the gym, teaching classes, training, hanging out with my wife. I'm just not -- I've just changed my lifestyle. I'm just -- I'm not doing that anymore.

THE COURT: Mr. Ogata.

MR. OGATA: Thank you, Judge.
Judge, I think you've heard it from him. I think it's pretty clear, and in fact, in know that in the time that I've know John it actually has changed a lot, drastically. I mean, even from the beginning, you know, there would be missed phone calls when we were supposed to talk on the phone. Now, it seems like he calls before I even get on the phone, before I even say did John call, he's already left messages. And I know that a lot of that is on the side of what's going on, but, Judge, I think he really -- that year has really set him straight.
I know that he knows now when he fights he fights professionally. He fights in the gym. He fights in the ring. He gets paid for this. He does not need to do these bar fights, stupid bar fights, and I know that his priors, if you look at them, they're all bar fights.
We went through the discovery of the medical bills, and that was one of the things that was concerning to me was that amount, but after reviewing it with John and going over this thing, it actually made sense, and he even told me, he says, you know what, I just want to make it right. I want to pay the guy off. I want to do what I need to do for probation. The issue I know with the State is we have no opposition to probation for the felony, but I know it's a wobbler, and I know this is a stretch, Judge, is asking the --

THE COURT: Yeah, you know, you're really stretching because here's the thing. You know, he's gotten in trouble before, and, you know, he's a professional fighter --

MR. OGATA: I understand, Judge.

THE COURT: -- and he's picking on people who aren't professional fighters. I mean, it's ridiculous, and he says he wants to -- he's hurting himself. Well, he's not punching himself in the face, I mean, you know, to be blunt. He, you know, he's a professional fighter, and he needs to show, in my view, that he's a tough guy, and he gets drunk, and he picks on people who are not professional fighters. I mean, to me, it's not just some other, you know, drunken, you know, ordinary person like you or Mr. Morgan getting drunk and taking a swing in a bar. It's a guy who's trained to really hurt people --

MR. OGATA: I understand, Judge.

THE COURT: -- and, you know, it's a whole different -- whole different thing than just a bar fight in my view. And so, you know, the time has come in my mind, Mr. Ogata, for a felony. And now what we're talking about is his freedom, I mean, I'll just be candid with you because, you know, it's great he learned in jail and this and that, but, you know, maybe if he does really well, and he's lucky enough to get probation, you can come see me later, but, you know, again, he, you know, I mean, I don't really know why it took him a year of sitting in jail to figure out, oh, hey, I'm a professional fighter; I really shouldn't be popping innocent people in the face, you know, because I get drunk and angry and I have a temper. You know, to me that should have been -- he should have been a little more self-aware down the road.
And frankly, you know, wanting to be a professional fighter, you know, is like, kind of like wanting to be a rock star or a movie star, something like that. Not everybody gets to do it. So the fact that his career was, you know, going sideways a little bit, in my view is no justification, you know, for this kind of violence, and it's repeated violence. So, I'll just be candid with you, Mr. Ogata, that's where we are when I looked at this.

MR. OGATA: So my request of reducing it down to a gross misdemeanor --

THE COURT: Well, you know, like I said he's --

MR. OGATA: I just wanted to throw it out there, Judge. I know --

THE COURT: -- if he's lucky -- if he's lucky enough to get probation and he does really well, then you can pitch that to the Court. I'm not making any commitments or promises. We'll see what direction his life takes, you know.

MR. OGATA: I understand, Judge.

THE COURT: But, you know, honestly, you know, he's dangerous, and he's dangerous because of his training and everything like that, and that makes it different than just some person out there getting in bar fights.

MR. OGATA: I understand, Your Honor.

THE COURT: In my view.

MR. OGATA: I think Mr. Koppenhaver understands that too; we've discussed that.

THE COURT: All right.

MR. MORGAN: Judge, we do have a speaker.

THE COURT: I know. Thank you. It's Mr. Miller.
Is Mr. Miller here?

MR. MORGAN: Yes, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Sir, I need you to just follow my marshal and come up, you know, right here. Just right up here to the witness stand. And please, sir, remain standing facing our court clerk, and she will administer the oath to you.
(Speaker sworn.)

THE CLERK: Please be seated, and would you please state and spell your name.

THE SPEAKER: Steven Edward Miller, S-t-e-v-e-n, Edward, E-d-w-a-r-d, Miller, M-i-l-l-e-r.

THE COURT: All right, sir. Thank you for being here. What would you like to say today?

THE SPEAKER: I'd like to say there's -- first of all there's a couple of corrections that need to be said from the opening from what I heard. First of all, it's not a worker's comp issue. The State picked it up because the company I worked for did not have valid worker's comp insurance. So therefore I went 90 days after being kicked out of a hospital and not treated and getting the surgeries that I needed to where I was supposed to go to an assisted living facility to learn how to walk again because I had a broken left knee, fractured right ankle, torn ligaments in my right knee, along with a cut and the fracture over the bottom of my right eye. None of this was done. I still can't do my duties at work properly.
And to sit there and say this was a drunken bar fight, we were both at work that night. I witnessed you go out and get into a fight with a customer. I took it to management. Management had you up at the front. I was dismissed to go back to the door where I work. You waited for me to turn to the side to walk away before you punched me. Plain and simple. Preyed on somebody as a professional that wasn't even facing you. Okay.
Now, when you sit there and say, okay, yeah, the year, you sat there and had a year to think about it and everything else, all I have to ask is did you hear any remorse, any at all? If you had a year knowing that this date was coming up, I would think you would come up with a better excuse than what you had, honestly.
I mean, I still -- I don't know what they can do with my knee. I can't even see a doctor seeing me on a medical lien because the case was dismissed out of bankruptcy court where the company was lost.

THE COURT: Oh, okay. So you did pursue a civil remedy --

THE SPEAKER: Yes. So there's nothing left. There's nothing else there. This is it.

THE COURT: All right. So no doctor will take it on a lien for your civil case?

THE SPEAKER: Right. I can't work properly. I can't bend. I wake up in the middle of the night. I don't sleep properly. I don't have the medications that I need, nothing. This has been going on for almost three years.

THE COURT: All right, sir, and what would you like to see happen today?

THE SPEAKER: Well, I sit there and I look at he was on probation from San Diego for another fight. Obviously not a drunken fight; it happened outside of a gym after training. Don't go to a gym training on alcohol. At work, once again, not alcohol related. Everything that his attorney said, none of it makes sense. None of it's the truth. It seems to me that it's all fabricated, something to make you kind of feel a little bit weepy eyed to say, oh, yeah, he can do it on his own, but I know that you see through it.

THE COURT: Let me ask you this. The State in this case negotiated the case -- and in fairness, it was not Mr. Morgan who negotiated it -- and they're agreeing to probation for this defendant.
Did you have an opportunity to discuss the negotiation with the State in this case before they entered --

THE SPEAKER: That was not discussed with me or with my attorney that's in the courtroom as well. That was done totally outside of us, and I would not see probation, like you said, being a professional, going out and having actions like this, knowing the consequences of your actions; I don't see where probation in my mind fits the crime. Basically, I can't do what I've done for a living since '94.

THE COURT: And let me ask you this. In the PSI it's talking about just the injury because the Court, you know, we don't get everything that the State has or the defense has. We get what they put in the PSI. They're focusing on the injury to your face, but as -- there obviously was more of a fight where your leg was injured and --

THE SPEAKER: Right. I had a broken left knee to where when I went to the ground my knee twisted. The upper leg turned causing the bottom of the kneecap, the bone to split out where I was supposed to have a pin inserted and have it fixed, but since there was no insurance that never happened. So anytime I turn to my left, there's no anchor on my knee. It can pop out and just go. Other than that I had a fracture to my right ankle and torn ligaments in my right knee. So my right ankle still gets painful every once in a while because I didn't get all the physical therapy. I didn't have any surgeries that, once again, there's supposed to be a pin. They were going to go in -- or a plate, whatever it is they were going to do. I know I didn't get treated right because of the insurance thing. So, you know, it's ruined my life.

THE COURT: All right. Thank you for being here.
Does the State have any questions for the victim speaker?

MR. MORGAN: No, Judge.

THE COURT: Mr. Ogata, do you have any questions for the victim speaker?

MR. OGATA: No, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Sir, thank you for being here. And you can just follow my marshal and return to your seat next to your attorney who's here in court today.
Here's the thing. As I said, you know, he was a professional, and the victim in this case is a large man, but he, you know, tall man is what I mean, but he's not a professional fighter, and it sounds like he -- to use a colloquialism -- kind of sucker punched him by having his head turned and then hit him. And again, you know, he obviously has issues with anger. I don't know if there's steroid abuse involved or what or it's just something psychiatrically wrong with him.
I am going to follow the negotiation of probation; however, the time he spent in jail in San Diego is about that victim in San Diego. We're about today this victim. So I think he needs to do jail time for this victim not the victim in San Diego because that doesn't, you know, mean a hill of beans to the victim who's sitting here. So I will go along with the negotiation having said that because there needs to be some punishment for what he did in Nevada and what he did to this victim.
All right. By virtue of your plea of guilty you are hereby adjudged guilty of the felony crime of attempt to commit battery with substantial bodily harm.
In addition to the $25 administrative assessment, the $150 DNA analysis fee and the fact that you must submit to a test for genetic markers, you are sentenced to a minimum term of 18 months in the Nevada Department of Corrections and a maximum of 60 months in the -- I'm sorry, 48 months in the Nevada Department of Corrections; that's the maximum on this charge, restitution in the amount of $61,114.92.
Your sentence is suspended. You are placed on probation for a period of time not to exceed 5 years. Sir, 5 years is the maximum on probation.
Here are the conditions of your probation. Number 1, you're going to spend the next year for this crime in the Clark County Detention Center.
Number 2, when you're released you're going to complete anger management counseling. What you're doing in San Diego may satisfy Nevada P and P, if not, you're going to have to do separate anger management counseling, and I want you in that as soon as you're released from custody.
Number 2 (sic), you're not going to have the use, possession or control of alcohol, and I can see you steaming right there right now, the anger. You're trying to control yourself. You have a serious issue because the next time you wind up killing somebody, and, you know, you're going to be in prison for a minimum of 20 years.

THE DEFENDANT: I'm not steaming, ma'am.

THE COURT: Well, you look like you're --

THE DEFENDANT: I'm just nervous. I'm --

THE COURT: Sir, that's fine. I mean, you know, you know what you need to do. I don't want any alcohol. You can't frequent any establishments that serve alcohol as their primary function, casino bars, freestanding bars, anything like that.
You're going to do -- have a substance abuse evaluation. I want that done within 30 days of your release, and you're going to do whatever counseling is deemed necessary.
You're going to obtain lawful, fulltime employment to get this restitution paid. If you can make enough money as a fighter, that's fine, but again, you know, that's one of those professional athlete, model, singer, dancer, whatever, you know. Not everybody gets to do that. So you may have to get some other kind of a job to make restitution. That will be as directed by P and P.
I want you tested for the use of anabolic steroids because that in my view may be what's contributing to your anger problem. Any use of anything like that will be considered a violation of your probation.
And finally, your probation is contingent on your good behavior within the Clark County Detention Center. So if there's any bad behavior, that will be considered a violation, meaning beating up the other inmates, fighting with the guards, anything like that.
So we're going to have a status check regarding your behavior in the detention center before I release you on your probation because again, you know, you're a professional fighter in there, and I don't want any kind of problems in the detention center.
Let's status check it for six months to see how he's doing.

MR. MORGAN: And, Judge, just so the record's clear, the restitution needs to be ordered to the Division of Industrial Relations not the victim.

THE COURT: All right. You know --

MR. OGATA: Judge, he's requesting if he can get his things in San Diego together because he had to travel here. He's showed up for every court date for --

THE COURT: Doesn't he have a wife?

MR. OGATA: He does.

THE COURT: Can't she do it?

THE DEFENDANT: My wife -- my wife's an immigrant from Hungary, and she doesn't have a license, none of that stuff. She doesn't have anyone here but me. It's just her and I together here. She moved here from Hungary a year ago. And, I mean, like when I did my year in San Diego, I turned myself in. I did the time. There was no problem, you know. I just want to get my stuff in order --

THE COURT: Sir, I'm not anticipating a problem. I'm anticipating that you're going to be a good inmate, but I'm looking at you; you're a professional fighter. I just want to make sure you understand that it's not going to be do whatever you do at the Detention Center and then go on your merry way and I'm not monitoring what you're doing at the Detention Center --

THE DEFENDANT: I understand. Ma'am --

THE COURT: -- ‘cause we've had other professional fighters in the Detention Center, and I just need to know that you're on your best behavior and not taking advantage of your superior training or whatever.

THE DEFENDANT: Can I say one thing. When I did my year in San Diego I was never involved in one fight.

THE COURT: That's good. Then there should be no problems.

THE DEFENDANT: So I'm just letting you know that, you know, I haven't had any problems since then.

THE COURT: Good. That's fine then.

MR. OGATA: So the request, Judge, I know that he's complied -- I mean, he's been to every court date that I've ever had with him. He will comply with any requirements --

THE COURT: What is it you need to do in San Diego?

THE DEFENDANT: Well, I need to get rid of my car. I want to, like, put my stuff in storage. I want to get everything done, get my wife situated. I mean, we came here thinking that we're getting probation and that was it. So this is like a shock. That's why I might look -- whatever you said I looked like. I'm just nervous. I didn't expect this, and she doesn't expect it, and, you know, my job, I want to get --

THE COURT: Mr. Ogata?

MR. OGATA: Judge, the request is, I mean, if we can get some time for him to get these things together. I know that he can come back and check himself back in.

THE COURT: Here's the deal. I'll give you two weeks for a surrender date. Understand this, you don't come back, you get in a fight, you get in trouble, get a DUI, anything like that, you're going to prison. There is no probation. So basically, you know, the future's in your hands, you know, and we'll modify this, you know, give you 19 months on the bottom end in prison instead of the Detention Center.
So just appreciate that basically, you know, it's up to you now to come back, not get in trouble, and then we'll, you know, you'll get the opportunity at probation.

THE CLERK: Surrender date is February 16 at 9:30.

THE COURT: Mr. Ogata, is that for you?

MR. OGATA: That's it, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you, sir.

MR. OGATA: Thank you, Judge..

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Comments

So the TLDR version is

If he’s good for two weeks, the judge MIGHT give him a chance at probation?

No....I think.

I think he is getting 18 months followed by probation after his two week window to surrender

Number 1, you're going to spend the next year for this crime in the Clark County Detention Center.

With a status check in 6 mos. So I’m guessing 6 months minimum if he has good behavior in CCDC.

I think the status check is for his probation. She said if he gets in trouble in the Detention Center, he goes to prison, no probation.

Nah. Two weeks to get his affairs in order

Then he goes into the Detention Center for 18 months. After he is released he’ll be on probation for five years, needs to take anger management classes, must make an alcohol abuse evaluation, must stay away from bars and liquor and get a job to pay the 61k he owes his victim for medical bills.

Not just the “you know” thrown in every sentence but her rather coarse dismissal of his occupation.

In the grand scheme of things

fighter is not at the top of the list of professions that most parents want for their children. Judge on the other hand…

Damn

Dude messed up both of the guys knees, an ankle, and his face. That seems fairly extensive as far as “bar fights” go, at least around my neck of the woods.

The bar-fights at work are the roughest
Especially when you're sober.

Its a lot of damage but it sounds like one punch caused him to fall and in the fall he damaged his knees and ankles. I’m guessing this is a big guy and gravity did a lot of the work in damaging his lower body.

maybe he falls like Cro Cop when he gets hit
It is strange

to have your knee broken and ankle from falling down. But the saddest thing is it seems he couldn’t get any treatment, I mean he might be fucked for life now. The thing I didn’t understand is so it seems he worked as a bouncer and he didn’t have medical insurance? or he was turned down by the insurance company when he got injured at work? This really wasn’t clear from the transcript. I also didn’t like how the judge assumed many things, like drug use, then, she said “next time you’ll wind up killing somebody” or “I see you’re steaming” All this is very negative and judgmental, and really unnecessary. She sounded really prejudiced against WM.

It’s probably difficult, when you’re an old female judge who knows nothing about MMA, to not be prejudiced against a pro fighter named War Machine with a grenade tattoo on his neck who gets drunk and beats up non-fighters. I don’t think the steroid accusation (and it wasn’t really an accusation, just a request to have him tested for it) is all that unreasonable.

Lets say he had insurance and it cover 85% It sounds like he is looking at over a 100k worth of medical treatment not including physical therapy

His out of pocket costs could be as low as 15k but realistically with all those medical procedures it could be like 30- 45 k. Thats out of pocket. Doubt he has that kind of money just laying around as a bouncer. Who would lend him that money good credit or not? He’s been a bouncer for almost twenty years how much was even paid on the books. The most this guy can do is try to get medicaid and hope that they can give him all the treatment he needs or he’ll essentially be disabled.

dbcb

Dumb Bastard Crazy Bastard?

NO

Its saying that the terms of his probation are he spends 1 year in Clark county detention, then 5 more years on supervised probation. Versus him spending a minimum of a year and a half in prison.

Aha, I was a little confused by that stuff. So am I correct in assuming that a detention center is a better place to do time than prison?

Different? Yes. Shitty? Yes

The detention center is where people pass thru. Usually less serious crimes and/or shorter sentences. Prison is where you go for serious time. Which is why she’s saying, fuck up and you’re going to the prison for 18 months

You’re better off in a detention center AKA county jail. Prison usually has much worse conditions and a more dangerous population.

Okay, cool, thanks.

Better off In prison

There’s nothing to do in CCDC. There are no programs, no yard. On an 18-60 months, he’d go to the low level facility, where people tend to have no problem because everyone’s a short timer. No one’s looking for trouble because they’re all trying to get into the minimum security facility to finish up their time.

I was gonna say

I’ve heard that prison is a lot better than jail because of the programs, amenities, etc.

Edit

He was on season 6, not season 5

What's with the steroid testing ?

‘You get mad and stuff so we’re gonna test you for steroids.’

She's insinuating that he has roid rage
Who doesn't have roid rage?!?
Rafael Palmeiro
It was B-12!!!!!

Miggy did it!

Has he ever been popped for steroids before ? I guess I just thought a court would need something like..you know…proof of steroid use before sentencing someone to steroid tests. I guess muscles and fights is enough.

probation, brother

they can test you for whatever they want. i got popped with weed one time and had to go to AA and pass alcohol tests. and i was over 21 at the time. it’s all about raining on your parade.

He wasn't "sentenced" to steroid tests

Am I the only one who doesn’t find it unreasonable that she wants him tested for roids?

No you arent the only one. I think he needs to be tested for everything including psych evaluations
Steroids tend to make someone more aggressive....also he is a fighter.

1+1= you know

Jeez

what a clusteruck

If that is a Burn After Reading reference, I salute you.
And to that I say

He's a professional fighter who attacked another person

and injured him to the point where he’s probably going to be crippled his entire life and gets 1 year? Meanwhile you have people in prison for life for drugs. What a wonderful legal system.

leave fucking drugs out of this please

im so tired of talking about drugs.

Do you like MMA?

Do you like MMA – ON WEED??

Sorry

Shouldn’t you have put it more eloquently though? You know because of your screen name.

Good point man and nothing personal. I just have reached my maximum tolerance for drugs (conversations).

It is greatly hindering my ability to be well spoken and regal

The use of the word regal

fulfills your quota for this conversation. Thank you.

Hard to pay restitution while in Jail

I would have dropped the jail time kept the 5 years probation and doubled the restitution award.

I feel bad for the guy with all the injuries.

My thoughts as well

Poor guy walked out of that court room with nothing. He’s still screwed physically and monetarily.

And no prospects of anything for the year WM sits in jail
i said it above

that guy needs to sue his employer for not having proper workers comp. then, the state needs to get on their ass too.

I think the employer is no longer in business
That was my biggest issue with all of this

The restitution seemed to be a big part of this hearing, and yet there was no mention of the fact that War Machine was about to enter a Bellator tournament that if he won would pay him $100,000, which would go a long way toward paying the restitution. Seems to me that if you’re concerned about restitution you should look for ways to allow the convicted criminal to work, rather than sit in a jail cell.

The judge clearly doesn’t think War Machine is an imminent danger to the public because she agreed to give him two weeks to get his affairs together before going to jail. I wish she would have given him six months to fight in the Bellator tournament and maybe make enough money to cover the victim’s medical bills.

It's safe to say that most major orgs probably won't touch him after this right?
Why wouldn't they, after he gets out?
not sure if serious
Two times serving a year+ in jail?

That seems like a risk to sign someone with that kinda (track) record.

Bellator already signed him after a one year stint.

I think if he strings together some wins he’ll get another shot. Ray Lewis murdered somebody and Michael Vick ran a dog fighting ring. Athlete’s will get another shot if they can still perform.

And odds are if War Machine was as talented at either of them he’d probably get yet another shot.

Sounds like a great angle for promotions of a certain caliber.

That's a good point

Now the victim, who is in dire need of some surgeries according to his testimony, has to wait more than a year before War Machine can start (possibly) earning money to pay restitution (AFAICT).

It seems like that screws him over more than War Machine…

Like...

What a joke, you know?

"Hard To Kill" is on AMC right now.

that’s right, AMC.

Oh man...

Just turned the TV on, it was still on AMC. That Walking Dead marathon had me stuck on the couch most of yesterday.

Took everything I had to not re-watch them

again

Pretty sure Hard to Kill satisfies all of the following

1) American
2) Movie
3) Classic

i remember being at this biker bar after Monday Night Football a few years back and they were showing "White Chicks" on AMC so I guess im not that surprised
yeah, it's just AMC now, not 'American Movie Classics'

also, The Walking Dead sucks ass.

Overrated

Just like the comic book it was based on.

hear, hear!

Simply use your digital Seletrix to actuate your DVD input and begin watching your DVDs of “The Wire.”

I solve problems – professionally.

Any bar that plays "White Chicks" is a-okay with me.

Especially any biker bar.
“Oh you sweet chocolate man.”

His lawyer should have stressed

That he had a big fight coming up in Bellator and the money made from that fight could be garnished and paid towards getting the victims leg surgery so that he could start to move on from this…and second War Machine should have asked if he may address the victim and offer a sincere apology and vowing to do what it takes to right the wrongs and pay for this mans rehabilitation. War Machine will not pay taxes or earn money while incarcerated, in fact it will be our tax dollars paying to feed this man who will not learn anything surrounded by guys who have taken it a lot further than Mr Koppenhaver ever did. This man had a job and a means to begin paying for his mistakes, now WE all have to pay! Putting him in timeout around Career Criminals just might put him on a worse path outside of prison 3 years down the road when fighting is nolonger a option for him and Boone will hi

The fight was already off

So there was no use in arguing that, I guess. Bellator had already replaced him and they certainly would not let him compete in the tourney just to be incarcerated after (because: if they made this argument and it was legit, the judge would just Mayweather him, not let him walk free completely).

cont...

And no one will hire him because of his felony …that’s why it seems like 90% always go back, because there really isn’t a fair shake once you are charged with a violent felony…better off working as a hired debt collecter for the violent kind…see what this judge may have really did?

so, let violent felons off the hook because otherwise they can’t get a job? he had a job but still chose to beat people up outside of the ring.

Well jail is the easy life after all
I strongly dislike that judge.

Her reference to War Machine’s time in San Diego not meaning “a hill of beans” to this victim just smacks of retributive justice. She’s basically saying he needs to go to jail because he deserves it, and there is simply no reasoned justification for that.

Retribution isn’t a legitimate reason for issuing punishment?

Technically speaking.

Technically speaking its one of the major philosophical purposes behind criminal sentences

I wasn't aware of that.

Prison time is supposed to be so that a) you pay your dues to the harm that has come to society through your actions and b) that you rehabilitate.

Or at least in civilized societies it is supposed to be that way.

Who said anything about civilized society??? This is Nevada dude

You know how we roll out here?

Drink all damn day and night. Purchase the services of a nice lady for a few hours in a mobile home bedroom. Have immigrants hand you business cards with nice ladies posing with their nipples covered with stars. Gamble your ass off.

My argument is invalid.

:(

you got me with the moblie home
He got me with the "nice lady"

actual lulz

If I remember correctly the reasons in U.S. society are retribution, deterrence (specific to the criminal or as an example to others in society, incapacitation, and rehabilitation.

This, exactly.

You sir, are a master of Karate and Friendship to EVERYONE.

A) you pay your dues to the harm that has come to society through your actions

That is basically what retribution is.

Also the third purpose of penalties for breaking the law is to deter people from breaking the law.

A good punishment should have elements of retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence.

boy was i late to this party
I alway s assumed retribution to be something more akin to how punishment was carried out in the old days.

Hence why people call for justice and not retribution. I mean, the state is the middle man here, that alone means that you cannot be re-attributed what you lost, and it mediates what, exactly, should be done, and how.

“a) you pay your dues to the harm that has come to society through your actions "

Sounds like a fancy way to say retribution to me.

Coming from a criminology background,

there are _ reasons for incarceration:
1. To protect society from the offender. Essentially by removing the offender from society, he/she can no longer harm members of the public.

2. Rehabilitation. Just what it sounds like; counseling, job training, etc. Helping the offender turn around their life.

3. Retribution/deterrence. A combination of punishment “equal” to the crime, and indirect deterrence, which basically means if I see a friend get jail time for something, I’m less likely to commit a crime in the knowledge that I’ll go to prison.

No. Because it only causes harm.

Retribution is vengeance.

Vengeance is malice.

Malice is evil.

But the San Diego incident doesn't mean "a hill of beans" to the Nevada case

They’re separate incidents that the judge is supposed to consider separately. If you commit two different crimes in two different states you don’t get a free pass for the second one just because you served a sentence for the first one.

well, that is one of the 3 justifications for punishment in the american court system

retribution
deterrence
rehabilitation

Ony two of those make any sense.
but he DOES deserve it. that's what jail is all about.

you commit a felony, you deserve to go to jail.

I deny the entire concept of desert.
If you're a professional fighter...

You’re obviously a dangerous person, prone to sudden violent outbursts at any moment.
From what I read here, he would’ve only gotten probation if he wasn’t a fighter.
I think fines and restitution would’ve made both parties at least satisfied.

I don't think so.

He really fucked up that guy’s life. he has to pay for that. Shitty judge or no.

Problem is..

Kinda hard to start paying anything from jail, huh?

Yes.

But, for the mean time, they snatched 61 grand from his bony ass.

i know a guy that went 12 years without paying his child support. when the state finally caught up with him, they sent him to jail.
he says to me “how do they expect me to pay it if i’m in jail?”
i said “you weren’t n jail for the last 12 years and you didn’t pay it. why would they think that you’d pay it now?”

Some people don't pay their child support and alimony

Because the amount the court is asking them to pay is outrageous.

That's a really bad example dude

That’s like saying that feminism violates men’s rights. it ignores the entire history of gender oppression and the reason we have laws for alimony and child support in the first place. It may be true for a statistically small percentage of cases, but looked at against the history of treatment of women under the law in this country alone it is just a ridiculous argument.

Just because a woman fifty years ago struggled doesn't mean that a woman today should get an unfair portion of a man's cash

I’m not saying it is prevalent, but it does happen.

The courts were trying to get Nas for 50,000 dollars a month in spousal and child support. That right there is a crime.

what is a "Nas?"

That is much monies to be demanded!

well, he ain't NAS.
Nas' net worth at the time was well into 8 figures

$600K a year wasn’t outrageous when he had made over $10mm from his prior album and tour.

Perspective

$100/week to the woman that is raising your child.

that’s outrageous for his share of food, shelter and clothing? so instead it’s better to pay nothing? i’m fortunate to have never been in that position, but it seems to me that a disproportionate number of men don’t want to pay anything at all and the excuse is always the same: she’s just gonna spend that money on herself. i ask you, what is the difference if she spends your $100/ week on herself and $200/week of her money to raise your kid or if she spends $100/week of her money on herself and $100/week of your money and $100/week of her money to raise your kid? the total is still $300. it’s always funny how guys try to justify not contributing any time or money to have their child raised by saying that anytime a woman purchases anything for herself, she used his money to do it.

Or do what my brother-in-law did

get 50/50 custody to avoid any payments, buy your son the coolest shit in the world while buying nothing nice for yourself, and rub it into your ex’s face that he cannot take any of it to her house because she is a cheating whore and might sell it for crack money (because she only says that she doesn’t use drugs, like she said she wasn’t cheating).

Not sure which environment is better, but I enjoy watching the arguments…

If you're Warmachine...

You’re obviously a dangerous person, prone to sudden violent outbursts at any moment.
And since he is a trained fighter, he is a greater risk to society than a normal man.
That is why he must be kept on a tighter leash.

I feel like this judge should be on Fox every afternoon.

He could replace the judge they just fired.
I think it's a chick, bro.

From War Machine’s responses (“Yes, ma’am”, etc.).

People need to realize that in a lot of jurisdictions a plea agreement means you are considered guilty even if the judge doesn't go along with your plea.

So basically, he’s being found guilty of all of the things the victim said which were terrible and violent (his lawyer didn’t even attempt to refute it). Also, I posted this in the other thread before reading this so I’ll just copy and paste it here:

“I see this type of thing a lot. A judge has full sentencing discretion but typically will side with the prosecutor if a plea agreement is arranged. However, put yourself in the judge’s seat. This is a case that was dragging on, followed by a hurried plea agreement, between a prosecutor who obviously had trouble completing their case (hence the quick plea agreement) and a guy named War Machine who has served time for multiple violent offenses. His having served time for DIFFERENT charges is completely irrelevant. He can plead for leniency, and use his rehabilitation items he listed for help, but the judge doesn’t owe him anything and feels he should be punished for what he did….. she doesn’t have to accept his time served on other charges as payment to society on these other charges.”

Can you explain the sentence? That's caused a lot of confusion for us internally when discussing this

I read it as he was getting a year in a county detention centre followed by probation as oppossed to a minimum of at least 18 months in prison.

It means "Tough Shit, War Machine."

He should not expect anyone to be lenient to him in one state just b/c he happened to be sentenced and serve time in another.

Ok, there are a couple things to think about but let me know if you have a specific question.

1. It’s not like the judge knew what was going to happen when the hearing started. She might have had an idea that no jail time was a possibility but after hearing from the victim she factored that into her sentencing (she even mentions the victims head being turned to the side which was just brought up in his testimony). So if probation with no jail time was an option at the beginning of the conversations with War Machine’s counsel, that changed and became irrelevant once she heard the victim’s testimony.

2. Probation doesn’t automatically mean no jail time. Suspended sentence doesn’t automatically mean no jail time. She states “Here are the conditions of your probation. Number 1, you’re going to spend the next year for this crime in the Clark County Detention Center.”

The jail time is part of his probation. They actually seem to have accepted the plea, just not under the same terms. His sentence was suspended (the maximum is higher than 18 months). I take this to mean that after the year is up, if he is good any keeps with the other terms of his probation, he will get out. She wants him to suffer this year based on what she heard in Court.

Scratch that.

The first year is simply at clark county….after that he will likely be transferred to another facility for another 6 months and then be released if he’s good.

Alright...so it's 18 months and a maximum of 48?

Then probation?

Yep.

Minimum is minimum so he will do the 18. If he fucks up, he will do 48 plus any additional time for whatever it is that he “fucked up”. He can get a reduction for good behavior but they never bring that up as it’s akin to locker room bonuses. They exist but the Court isn’t going to tell you to expect it.

No.

The 18-48 month sentence was suspended and he got five years’ probation. He’ll do the first year of that five years behind bars, the if he stays out of trouble in jail he’ll be released after 12 months and do four more years of probation.

This is where we got confused.
You're right. I skipped the sentence that said "your sentence is suspended".

The terms of the probation include the first year in jail. My bad.

yes, this is what happened.
This is correct.
Point 1 is entirely true. I have seen it first hand.

I arrested a girl for agg assault. She was a juvenile. It looked as if the plea was going to be some type of probation and the felony reduced down to a misd. The judge asked the victim what punishment he felt was necessary for the girl. Dude says I believe she should be charged with a felony and it should go on her record. It was funny as hell watching the defense attorney try to steer away from that.

To quote Tracy Jordan

“Tell it to me in Star Wars”

Insanity.

Pretty much everyone in that transcript is a fucking asshole save for the lawyer, and he comes across as smarmy as fuck.

War Machine destroyed some poor bastard’s life by fucking up his knee foreva and now he’s coming back to haunt him, playing the victim angle to a T, which wasn’t necessary because he had most facts on his side—keep telling yourself that, big guy, I’m sure none of what transpired had anything to do with you appearing threatening or whatever.

The judge is a cunt (I’d say a bag of cocks if she was a dude, but she’s not) and pretty much judges War Machine at face value. Also, she can’t speak for shit.

And still, among all that circus insanity, a weird form of justice was done. You just do not get to fuck shit up and expect to not be held accountable for it.

His accounting (serving time in the slammer) was done in San Diego, not Nevada. And someone has to be held responsible for the fact that tough guy over there can’t fucking function like he used to. Ever. He’s knee deep in debt and he can’t work…hell, he can’t even turn left.

All in all. Justice is a bitch, but she was served.

My brain hurts.

Transcripts from court hearing always tend to read like this.

I hate having to read them.

Seriously?

Where do you work at?

I manage a law firm in Hawaii.

I’ve been doing it for about 9 years now. Started out bounty hunting in Tacoma, WA and then I was offered a job by one of our “customer’s” lawyers.

Waaaa?

Lemme get this shit straight:

a) You bounty hunted.
b) You ended up working for one of your bounty huntees’ lawyers?

Yep. It was a pretty sweet deal and couldn't have come at a better time.

I lived really close to where I was scooping people and the word got around. I had death threats in my mailbox every day (they couldn’t get inside the building without a key thank god), I had two very nice cars stolen (a completely restored first generation RX-7, and a completely customized and restored 1976 F-150 with a 460 in it), and I was tired of having gunfire and bullet proof vests in my life. I know it sounds cool but I didn’t get paid nearly enough. This lawyer was watching me do the paperwork and go over the pertinent statutes and offered my a job on the spot. I quit that day. I do miss getting up in the morning to get ready for work and all I had to do was make sure my gun was loaded and I put the soft trauma insert in my bullet proof vest lol

god damn.

respect.

I'm just glad I didn't do it in Hawaii. Bounty hunters (and anyone for that matter) can't legally carry guns here.....all you get is pepper spray.

As if the criminals are going to care about gun laws…..

Go with Christ, Brah!
That guy is such a douche.

He’s a total dick in person. Can’t knock his hustle though….

I got lost there once and ended up in front of the strip mall that houses his office.

It was pretty awesome.

Man, your story triggered something in me and led to a sequence of strange events in which I discovered, that Chael Sonnen is similar in looks to Jake from Jake and the Fatman.

That looks like it was right around the time that hooker-thing happened.

need any new up and coming hungry lawyers?

Cuuuz this guy graduates in a year.

No sorry bro we have a ton of lawyers on Maui.

I make more as a paralegal than a lot of the lawyers here because the lawyers all suck and law school doesn’t teach you how to work in a law office. It takes a specialized area of law or skill to get work on Maui in the legal field. I happen to know bankruptcy like the back of my hand and with the economy the way it is our office is making a killing.

YOU WERE LIKE BOBA FETT!
Boba was loosely based on my life story
Dude.

You’re old.

Aaaaaah I see Boba Fett first appeared in 1978....

I was born in 1985. I can not stand by my previous statement….

Yep.

They transcribe that shit word for word, even the non half-word mumbling people do when they don’t realize it. This isn’t anything fancy like Night Court. This judge probably had dozens of these hearings this day. There’s not going to be any kind of prepared speech or whatever. This is what nearly every court transcript looks like.

except that no justice is served

it doesn’t seem the victim will get operated and rehabilitated by the state or private medical facility, WM will not be able to pay him for at least a year. And then the money is due to the state not the victim. I didn’t actually get that part. Will the state pay the victim after receiving the compensation? The worst part here is that you work as a bouncer, get sucker punched in the face (a pretty possible scenario in that line of work) get multiple injuries and get no fucking treatment!!! so you can’t work and in the country that prides itself for having no social security, that means, basically, you’re fucked for life.

and war machine was trying to play this off as some minor incident when news of his reincarceration first broke

he basically crippled this guy without any remorse
he’s lucky he has the opportunity for early release

Basically this.

I’ve been thinking that comeuppance was due to War machine given his penchant for stupdity and acts of violence, but dang, he really got served.

Another year on the slammer should really drive the point home for the guy even further.

Can someone explain to me

How WM so severely messed up that bouncer’s knee and ankle? Did he clock him and then go all Paul Harris on him with a leg lock from Hell?

I imagine he dropped like a rock and did the Rashad Evans stanky leg.
Also,

the bar was called “Thruster’s Lounge”……………nice.

Good catch. Sounds classy and I bet fights never happen there.
i wonder if that's the gay bar that he used to bounce at.

not that there’s anything wrong with that.

It's in the bro neighborhood and full of meatheads.

Getting in to a bar fight in that neighborhood is the easiest thing since the chicks in that neighborhood.

This.

I went to school at UCSD, and I can tell you on solid authority that Pacific Beach (and nearby Mission Beach, since they are really all one entity) bars are guaranteed combat zones. Drunk college age kids, drunk military dudes, and drunk locals … it’s fun when you’re 21 through about 22, after that, not all that awesome. The area around Garnet street (the main drag through the town towards the beach) is chock full o’ bars and bums, and it is amazing just how many goons are ready to “throw down.”

I’ve got many a funny story about those days, but none that I can really share in this forum. Suffice it to say that pdl is giving you the solid lowdown.

That bar and area of bars are all bro 24/7. I did see him walking through my gaybourhood a couple months ago with his wife...

I almost holla’d but I was a little starstruck and I’m a coward.

He did hurt the guy pretty bad it sounds like. YOU KNOW?
Everyone going on about the judge saying "you know"...

should watch a little bit of television from time to time. I see CEO’s and congressman do that shit. It’s a filler for “Um”. You go out and speak and try not say “Um” or You know". You would be surprised how hard it is. And I’m not talking about with your friends. How about giving testimony or being asked a question that you have to answer off the top of your head and you don’t have it rehearsed as if you were giving a sales pitch to a client.

The judge just met War Machine. She sees so many cases in a day and probably just started learning about the case right then and there. So she has to go off the fly and ask questions she thinks is pertinent. She probably has absolutely no fucking clue how a professional fighter lives. Give her some slack…you know. Plus it’s 10x better than " U know what I’m sayin"

courts have gotten way more casual in the internet age

the efficiency has allowed far more cases to be handled in a single day, often two at a time, which has in turn deluded some of the formality of the judge and court process in general (for the better in my opinion, as court is meant to serve the people not hover above them).

that being said, one of the biggest annoyances of lawyers is getting a judge like this one who will ignore a plea bargain and/or moralize to the client. good laywers generally know which judges are prone to this, and will ask for a continuance the second they get wind of it and seek out a different judge if possible.

I can't believe anyone

Thinks this was harsh. He got off lightly imo.

And he was sober but tried to pass off in court like it was a drunk fight – I am sure that factored into the judges decision and rightly so.

He needs to quit whining about it and man up and do the year.

i don’t think he or his lawyer were prepared to make a serious defense at this hearing. sounds like the plan was to act contrite, point out the steps he’d taken to rehabilitate himself, and let the lawyers handle the plea deal. if they had known the judge wouldn’t accept the deal, they’d likely not have plead guilty or at the very least asked the court for more favorable terms of the probation, such as postponing the start of the sentence until after the bellator tournament.

THE COURT: you’re not going to have the use, possession or control of alcohol, and I can see you steaming right there right now, the anger. You’re trying to control yourself. You have a serious issue because the next time you wind up killing somebody, and, you know, you’re going to be in prison for a minimum of 20 years.

THE DEFENDANT: BEEEAAAAST MOOOOODE

War machine.... SMASH!!!

ahh mr. war machine. What a man of principles and values. Sadly, I enjoyed his war blog when he was in the klink the first time, i guess we’ll be blessed again with another year of his ramblings about how he taught the c block the darce choke. That judge made him grab his ankles pretty good, because war made another guy not able to grab his..too much? ehh prolly. Also, judge should have dropped the ya kno and given war a lil harlem heat..can you dig it suckkkkaaaa? Dig what you honor? U’z be goin back to jail kemsabiiiiiiii

chuch.

My Question is

what is the law/court trying to accomplish? Is punishing him the main objective here. Are they trying to protect the public from him. It seems to me that if helping the victim is the main objective then they would allow him to work/fight and make payments to the victim instead of sitting in a cage for a year making nothing. If what the victim wants plays a large factor “which it seemed to” why would the victim want him locked up. I would want him earning money and paying me which he can not do from a jail cell.

Read about that guy's knee

Warmachine is a POS. Plain and simple.

exactly

As someone who has suffered numerous knee injuries, i feel for this guy.

WM is a POS. I could care less if i ever see him in a porno MMA fight again

Yeah I feel for that guy as well.

He sounds pretty screwed in all respects. It’s fucked he can’t get his injuries fixed after all this time. I’m just imagining being in his place and how furious I’d be.

Looks strange. The judge didn’t know about the extent of injuries The Victim suffered.
Shouldn’t the whole “play by play” of that accident be documented? What happened, what damage was done?
From what it’s written here, you can’t tell if the leg injuries were caused by War Machine’s attack or the Victim’s fall.

there obviously was more of a fight where your leg was injured

Judging from that quote from the …judge, she thinks that there was more than just a punch in the face (was it?).
Also it looks like the Victim’s current health state is mostly caused by not treating suffered injuries and the case is coloured like WM destroyed his life.

I know that WM is a scum, but from that transcript it looks like it’s all kind of too simple.

At first, I thought War Machine 'did his time'

what about the victim? it really sucks War Machine will probably not see an mma cage for awhile, and yes he might have improved his life. But reading the plaintiff’s testimony War Machine should pay for what he did, he destroyed the person’s life and i have read some comments that ‘oh he’s milking it’.

How do you know? He has evidence of medical bills and probably diagnostics dating from the time he was brutally assaulted.

MMA fighters shouldnt use their tools to destroy people,

What about the victim?

He was getting restitution right away in the plea deal. Now he’s not getting restitution until after War Machine gets out of jail.

So yes, what about the victim? How does this sentence benefit the victom at all?

i do not have a single ounce of sympathy for Koppenhaver (i refuse to refer to him as War MAchine. any one who changes their name to something like that is almost guaranteed to be an Ahole)

He is a grown man and is entirely responsible for the nonsense he has said and gotten himself into

sorry…

The Question is

what is locking him up doing for anybody? He can’t pay the victims medical bills, he can’t do any type of community service, he can’t take any anger/alchol classes. Is locking him in a box really benefiting anybody? If I was the bouncer and needed 60k to be able to get back to my life, I wouldn’t be pushing for him to have to wait another year before he even starts paying me that money. I would be begging the judge to let him stay out and work/fight so I could start getting my money. The whole lock someone in a box because were mad at them doesn’t make much sense to me. If he’s a danger to the community that’s another story but that doesn’t seem to be the consenus here.

“It’s teaching him a lesson.”

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