Bloody Elbow

I doubt Dana is gay,

I think he’s just a homophobe.

ElliotMatheny - February 16, 2012 reply

dude so wrong if herman would have won the fight he would have said how hilarious he finds his antics.

stop with all the dana is a homophobe Bs

He was pretty pissed about his hairy showing before the fight.

Also, I’m having a hard time figuring out what about Macho Man or the Village People that Dana objects to, if it isn’t the fact that they are gay. Taken in a vacuum, Macho Man is actually a pretty appropriate walkout song.

Dave Strummer - February 16, 2012 reply

Yeah, though I’m obviously ribbing you in the comment below, I don’t see a problem with Macho Man either. It’s often used in basketball games and such, isn’t it? It’s a classic arena theme.

Yeah

I don’t think that Dana really hates anyone (except maybe Steve Mazagatti) but I also don’t think he’s the most comfortable with even the slightest suggestion of gay stuff (like Hallman’s terrible shorts).

Dave Strummer - February 16, 2012 reply

Well, I can understand anger towards the shorts Hallman wore and I’m not a homophobic person. I don’t drop fifty bucks on a pay per view to see a guy’s nuts. I’d prefer to just worry about who is going to win as opposed to worrying about what’s going to fall out.

As for Herman, Dana does sound like he’s more disappointed with Herman just not taking his career seriously. I like jokesters just as much as the next guy, but he should have rolled through Struve tonight.

this^

He’s upset at Herman messing around with his career and his stupid antics. Not his pink scarf or macho man entrance song.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

This^ to That^^

While if I had a gun to my head and had to say, I would guess that Dana is homophobic. However, after I saw the video and how he said it, he was annoyed at the clowning and then not backing it up, not the gay connotations of a Village People song.

i dont think a person can be a homophobe on the level

Of pink scarfs annoying you and manage to be on the weigh in stage without poking out your own eyes.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Just because you can't relate to something doesn't make you a homophobe.

People are nuts over this shit, and need to get over it. I can’t relate to pink scarves, just like I can’t relate to corny dragon-skull-fire-sparkle shirts. There’s an element to both “life styles” that I have zero interest in. That’s it. I don’t hate either group, just don’t want any part of those people.

do not disparage pink scarves!

I challenge you to a duel good sir!

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

You'll hear from my second in due time.

Cork guns at dawn!

the terms are to the death

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I'll clear my calendar

The Lethal Haze - February 16, 2012 reply

no

it shall be to the pain.

What do you mean, "those people"?

Dootch - February 16, 2012 reply

I mean anyone who’s scarf isn’t made out of meat. —>

What do YOU mean, "those people"?

Rob Young - February 16, 2012 reply

i seriously doubt he was really pissed about the hairy showing

and nothing is wrong with it other then herman lost and the stuff and antics were his claim to fame which Dana of course has to say is a no-no. Its not homophobia, its the fact that he lost

Sweet Scientist - February 16, 2012 reply

Come on, Dana's obviously not comfortable with it.

He said he didn’t like the hair before the fight too.

forrest is just as hairy as him and ebersoles arrow thing and tapout were much worse

He is and was fine with their stuff because they won.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Forrest is just as hairy? WHAT?

Let’s compare him to Gonzaga

That’s fucking insane.

google images forrest griffin

Bottom row of the first page, 3rd picture(I’m on a phone so bear with me if I’m off). When he doesn’t shave he’s easily as hairy as Herman.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I love Kenny Florian's comment...

“and in the white trunks and brown sweater we have Herman.”

It's not the fact he lost. If it was he'd be busting Lawlor's balls

for his elaborate entrances and gassing out by the third round. Does Dana hate gay people? No. But he does live and see things in a heteronormative/homophobic bubble.

he stands feet and sometimes inches away from guys in tight short shorts

And many a time has to stand there while they remove them from a weigh in. Homophobic behavior at its finest there.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm not debating Dana's possible homophobia...

I’m really not. He may or may not be. But to state that the fact he has no problem being near naked or almost naked men is a sign he’s not a homophobe is just nuts. What the hell does one thing have to do with the other?

PlutoCps - February 16, 2012 reply

that was a reference to the comments about hermans pink scarves and the macho man song

just like those comments are being twisted to make him a homophobe, im doing the exact same thing

Except it doesn't work that way. And I would hope that you'd be smart enough to know that.

It’s like defending Michael Richards’ infamous diatribe, using all of his non-psychotic interactions with black people as evidence. And MMA, in general, is a hypermasculine performance so that stuff isn’t tied to homophobia.

Fagan?

I don't think Dana is a homophobe

But I do think he’s worried about the image of the sport. Those who know nothing of MMA, and don’t want to know anything of MMA, have at times referred to fighters in the sport as “a bunch of sweaty guys rolling around in a cage” or view the sport itself as being “pretty gay”. Dana simply doesn’t want people tuning in to UFC for the first time and seeing someone like Dave Herman coming out to Macho Man, he feels it sends out the wrong message about MMA.

Deadp001 - February 16, 2012 reply

and then

reads your sig.

rzor - February 16, 2012 reply

lol

Rob Young - February 16, 2012 reply

The fur coat he had on was scarier than the pink scarf! Is he the illegitimate son of George “The Animal” Steele? Holy cow, he should have shaved the Zanfief from Street Fighter shape into that mess! Fun card, otherwise, though.

Mr. Socko - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I think it’s funny when Dana gets worked up about hypocrisy and double standards

blutspender - February 16, 2012 reply

So do I, but Dana actually has a point

Plus, I love the fact that he gets so worked up like a regular avid fan, which ultimately is what he is.

thats an upside and downside.

He’s a huge fan and I really believe he let’s his emotions rule his decision making way to much. This has positive and negative effects right now but as the sport grows it’ll only cause problems.

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

It’s utter BS that they’re letting Floyd fight on that date.

Miguel Torres would agree.

Rob Young - February 16, 2012 reply

come on dana dont be scared of the bottom line homie

the judge kissed mayweather’s ass because he brings in MULTI MILLIONS to the las vegas economy every time he fights

Gouken - February 16, 2012 reply

It does make the commission look like a joke though, and it’s egregiously unfair to other athletes.

which is once a year. How much does zuffa contribute to the economy annually?

Phildo - February 16, 2012 reply

he only thinks it isnt funny when the guy loses and isnt popular.

It's interesting about Condit.

It’s cool to see that he can understand Condit waiting for GSP. Hm

Jake is a vampire

He actually does look like one now that Diego has outed him.

Mmm yes. I think you are right.

Our Bovine Public - February 16, 2012 reply

bit harsh on Markes/Simpson

Didnt think it was the worst fight?

ya the salas fight was worse

Our Bovine Public - February 16, 2012 reply

yeah that was forgettable

wasn’t even that bad. The uppercut from hell was pretty cool. We’ve definitely seen way way worse fights.

Our Bovine Public - February 16, 2012 reply

agreed

wasn’t the best fight I’ve ever seen but to go out of his way to criticise it was weird

Yup, wasn't the best fight ever but that wasn't a terrible fight.

Sweet Scientist - February 16, 2012 reply

true but i think obviously less memorable then the simpson markes fight

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

We've seen much, much worse.

The overall high quality of the event made those fights seem worse than they were.

we know sylvia isnt gonna be in the UFC anytime soon

Yeah they don't have a super heavyweight division

thats true as well.

he made the 265 limit on his last bout.

Anton Tabuena - February 16, 2012 reply

interesting.

seems like hes really serious about getting into the UFC

I need sum Timmay in my life

mburtoni - February 16, 2012 reply

osahdoaen timmay!

this one better work

I wouldn't mind seeing Sylvia get one last stint in the UFC.

I see some epic losses for him though.

I'd like to see him back

He would have probably made it back too if he didn’t get ko’d by that guy from tuf who got his head split open.

i wouldnt mind either and the fight with Abe Wagner was stopped early imo.

He looked decent against Buentello

Better than Struve did, anyway ;)

lol thats not saying much as timmay uses his reach usually

Struve vs Sylvia would be kinda cool.

lol that would be funny to watch

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

I know Tim Sylvia is a joke to a lot of people, but he’s still probably more skilled than guys like Rob Broughton, Phil De Fries, Mark Hunt, Christian Morecraft, Ben Rothwell, John-Olav Einemo. I don’t know if Sylvia’s ever looked as bad as Rothwell looked in his last fight.

Also, a Struve vs Sylvia fight would probably be more competitive than people are willing to admit.

RagingNoodles - February 16, 2012 reply

Hunt would ko him

but I agree with the rest.

did you watch his fight with abe wagner?

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

Yes but

Sylvia looked pretty bad versus Wagner, early stoppage or not, and his bout with Ray Mercer was an absolute disgrace.

B20 hit Post seconds before I did

My reply was to RagingNoodles

He’s got skill, but think about this: before he left the UFC, Tim was one of the slowest, least athletic heavyweights out there. He’s now almost 4 years older, and is even slower and even less athletic, AND hasn’t faced top level competition for years. Guys like Cain and Dos Santos would eat him alive. I think Struve would be too much for him as well, but that’d at least be an interesting match-up.

He looked awful against Wagner, and against Mercer. But with the right strategy and conditioning, he could beat a lot of the lower level fighters in the heavyweight division. If Sylvia is smart enough to take Hunt down, he could beat him down easily there. If it stays standing, it’ll be ugly and I can see it going either way to be honest.

The heavyweight division still isn’t that good, no matter how much people would like to pretend it is. It will never be as talent filled as the light-heavyweight division, let alone the welterweight and lightweight divisions.

I did not bring up Velasquez or Dos Santos, I brought up the lower tier level guys. The few elite guys like Dos Santos, Overeem, Velasquez, and Werdum would all murder him. Also guys like Kongo, Mir, Schaub, Browne, and Lavar Johnson would beat him badly too. But the UFC heavyweight division has guys like Joey Beltran, and it wasn’t too long ago that the UFC had Paul Buentello on main cards. Anyone want to argue that someone like Beltran and Phil De Fries are guys that are great that deserve to be in the UFC?

Also, I’m far from a Sylvia fan. Probably the happiest I’ve ever been watching a UFC fight was when Couture ending his boring title reign at UFC 68. Also, watching Fedor destroy him was pretty awesome stuff too.

RagingNoodles - February 16, 2012 reply

Beltran was cut. I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut De Fries as well after last night. Not saying he deserves it that’s just what they do sometimes.

I think there are some potentially entertaining matchups for Sylvia in the UFC

Keith Moon - February 16, 2012 reply

Also

lol Tim Sylvia. The only reason they’d bring him back is if Brock wanted a tune up bout to come out of retirement.

Sweet Scientist - February 16, 2012 reply

Yup, I'll be fine never watching Sylvia fight again.

Pudz was his swan song

ElliotMatheny - February 16, 2012 reply

Nick Diaz vs. Diego Sanchez in 6 mos.?

Snatchl - February 16, 2012 reply

Try 12 months at least.

I have a suspicious feeling that the NSAC is going to go easy on Nick.

Sure, based on precedent he could get a year but with Dana on his side, (he clearly is) I just see it going in Diaz’s favor.

And I do think that’ll be a fight we’ll get to see.

Luke Nelson - February 16, 2012 reply

Dana said that Diego has never been finished

but his fight with BJ was stopped, albeit due to a cut, but it was stopped nonetheless and is listed as a TKO loss. Not that big of deal, as I think Dana was just hyped and got carried away, but he was wrong.

i noticed that to i was gonna comment on it but figured it would be pointed out by another fine be member

benten20 - February 16, 2012 via mobile reply

It was a doctor stoppage. Dana probably doesn’t consider that “being finished.” Diego was worse but that’s like saying Belfort “finished” Couture at UFC 46.

Psychic Octopus - February 16, 2012 reply

I was at the fight in Omaha

and just to clarify, nobody in my section was booing Struve. We were all shouting “STRUUUUUUUUVE.” I think when he was leaving the arena he was getting more high-fives than almost every other fighter from that night. He was a definite crowd favorite.

Also, we could see the FOX platform where Glazer and Stann were broadcasting from. It was telling that Stann was constantly turning around to watch what was going on in the octagon, but Glazer couldn’t give two shits what was happening.

rzor - February 16, 2012 reply

I didn't realize that

I guess it’s like how Boston fans go “YOUUUUUUUUK” for Kevin Youkilis.

I bet Youklis would give Herman a run for the title of

Sasquatch

how could they reach that high?

corn-fed mofos

mollcutpurse - February 16, 2012 reply

For those of us at work

Can we please get transcripts?

warren305 - February 16, 2012 reply

Volunteering?

BJJDenver - February 16, 2012 reply

If I could watch the video

I wouldn’t need a transcript….

warren305 - February 16, 2012 reply

transcript with extreme artistic license

Intro: Ariel introduces himself and Dana while Dana stands there looking like an angry sunburnt penis

Ariel: (question about fights that just happened)
Dana: so-and-so was the toughest dude so-and-so ever fought
Ariel (question about fights that might/will happen in the future)
Dana: we’ll see what happens, who knows
Ariel: (question about fighters)
Dana: lol I never talk to the fighters
Ariel: (question about basically anything on earth, from the past into the future)
Dana: (Slytherin-style lip-licking) who knows, we’ll see what happens
Ariel: (question about controversial topics)
Dana: WE GETS NO RESPECT. SO-AND-SO IS INCONSISTENT. HEH HEH THEY’RE CONSISTENT AT BEING INCONSISTENT!

mollcutpurse - February 16, 2012 reply

So guys..

New vampire nicknames for Ellenberger? The Daywalker?

And how about Sanchez.. Vampire Hunter D-iego?

Charles Awad - February 16, 2012 reply

Count Jakeula and Van YESing

NICE

YUSing, though.

Charles Awad - February 16, 2012 reply

Sylvia

Bring him back. I’m no fan, but he was a big part of the UFC’s success and he can still sell tickets in certain matchups. We need to remember, most people still remember him as the hulking UFC HW champ and have no idea about his struggles since leaving.

BJJDenver - February 16, 2012 reply

Yeah, lets put him up against Overeem and witness the first death in the UFC.

I don’t get Dana’s problem with Herman’s hair, scarf and walk-out music. It seems they want guys to show some personality, but only if it’s inside their accepted norm. Definitely smells a little of homophobia to me.

Also I’d like Tim Sylvia back.. he’ll never be a top 10 fighter again, but he could serve as a gatekeeper. He does still have a name, and I think he’d be a tough fight for a lot of guys in the UFC. I think he could beat at least Broughton, DeFries, Einemo, Herman, Rothwell, Griggs, Morecraft, Russow. Those kinds of guys. He’s almost 36 years old though so it has to happen now or never.

I wonder...

… if it’s more that Dana feels like Herman is mocking MMA as opposed to just making jokes.

I didn’t see the weigh-ins or walk-in’s so I’m not sure. But just because you don’t fully embrace and rub your face in the oiled, sculpted, shaved, six-pack abs of homosexuality doesn’t mean you’re a homophobe. People love to throw that term around any time you say anything most heterosexual males would say.

Trust me, I’m not too worried about that stuff generally. Just something I feel like I’ve picked up on in regards to Dana. It’s open to interpretation, since he doesn’t really make clear why he found it so offensive.

its simple he lost if Herman won we wouldnt hear about this at all

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. Tim Sylvia would be a good gatekeeper, and he would definitely beat that lower tier of the heavyweight division.

I think the only thing that could probably keep him away is if Sylvia’s asking price is too much. Don’t know what his price tag is but Breen was recently talking about how financially well off Sylvia is at this point and how smart he’s been money-wise.

RagingNoodles - February 16, 2012 reply

He hasn’t made any big purchases other than the Rascal.

Please let him KO Rothwell outof the UFC. He’s just terrible to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qxKYiJysDnI

I'm not sure I'd like to see Tim back in the UFC just yet.

Like Helwani and White discussed, he hasn’t really beaten any name opponents since leaving the UFC, unless you want to count Paul Buentello. He was knocked out by Ray Mercer and just last year he was knocked out by Abe Wagner. Plus, his last fight was just awful to watch. He’s walked into almost all of his recent fights at over 300 lbs. and just looks to be in terrible shape. He still looks 300+ lbs. in the video he put out.

If he wants back in, he needs to fight and beat at least one more top name and drop all of that fucking fat. Maybe then I’d like to see him return and possibly face Stefan Struve.

kreally - February 16, 2012 reply

he made 265 in his last fight

There aren’t a huge amount of credible opponents out there for him to beat. The Wagner fight he shouldn’t have taken, it was on short notice and he was very out of shape. I think he has looked fairly good in some of the other fights I’ve seen, good point though about his last one. Either way he still has some name value, and could serve some sort of purpose in the UFC (at least for a few fights). I think there was even more of a case for it before they announced the SF heavyweights coming over though, now it’s not as valuable but I’d still like to see it.

its not homophobia seriously this is getting annoying.

its simply the fact that he lost and doesnt take anything seriously.

That’s just your opinion, man. He clearly had a big problem with the body hair, scarf, and song. Why? He even said something about it before the fights. The fight and his performance there is a completely different issue.

if he won you wouldnt hear a word about it

the body hair is bullshit simply because of this

when has dana said a word about this^

I don’t see how that’s relevant. I’m talking about Dave Herman, not Forrest Griffin. It wasn’t just the hair, it was a pink scarf and a Village People song that he didn’t like either.

he didnt like those because he lost thats its

And yet he likes Tom Lawlor's entrances that have caused Lawlor to gas and lose fights?

And he criticized them before Herman lost?