UFC light heavyweight champ Jon Jones and his UFC 145 opponent Rashad Evans were guests on CSS SportsNite and didn't hold anything back. Jones plays his usual humble young sportsman role but Evans, a former teammate and friend of Jones, calls him on it.
The drama peaks when Jones starts talking about being a young man who doesn't have a lot of wealth and Evans points out that Jones owns a Bentley. Jones has to note that its a 2012 Bentley. From there the conversation degenerates.
Jones compares himself to Muhammad Ali and Evans points out that Ali was humbled. Evans does concede that Jones has earned his fame but insists that "there ain't nothing new under the sun" and tells Jones, "you're just a drop in the bucket, bro." Evans concludes that Jones is "preaching to the choir."
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jon jones
is’nt helping these fake accusations at all lol
i have a vision? LOL
this guy beleives his own hype
he acts like he is gods gift to mma like he is gonna change the sport of mma forever
and giving himself that ali quote lol this guy has a superiority complex
P86 - February 19, 2012
Didn’t Rashad say that Jones prays to himself before he goes to sleep at night?
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
If you were a good Christian you would too, apparently…
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
Jones just had arguably the greatest single year in the history of MMA. He has dominated a whos who of MMA in his weight class. He has barely ever lost a round. H doesnt appear to have anything even remotely approaching what you could deem a weakness. He fights in what could certainly be argued is the most exciting style in MMA. In addition, hes never been in trouble with the law or done anything even really remotely questionable as far as putting himself in bad legal situations. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the guy that everyone should hate. Well….ok then.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
He is an arrogant phoney.
As Rashad said, nothing he has done is new or revolutionary. Being proud of himself is fine, but comparing himself to Ali is straight up retarded.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Bloody Elbow made a post asking last year asking if Jon Jones had just had the best year in MMA history, with only Shogun even as competition for that title. So please, for my benefit, define what WarBReezy would consider “revolutionary”, since having the best year in MMA history wouldnt qualify. Are you talking about like a moonsault off the cage? So your saying Anthony PEttis should get more props then Jon Jones? Hmmmm.,….
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones may be the greatest fighter in the histoy of MMA
But that guy is hard to listen to, he needs to grow up.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Because that response TOTALLY answers the question asked....
duck - February 19, 2012
He has defended his title twice.
He did beat plenty of great fighters, and he has the right to be proud of himself. He has absolutely no right to compare himself to Ali until he builds a similar legacy. Throughout the history of humanity, there has been countless young individuals who have done amazing things. Some go on to greatness while others fizzle out. We don’t yet know which column Jones will fall into.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
You realize that his exact point was that Ali wasn't even ALI when he started pumping himself up right?
joker24 - February 19, 2012
And Ali often came off as an arrogant.
Ergo, why Jones comes off as an arrogant dick.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
So he shouldn't compare himself to Ali, because Ali was an arrogant dick who is also the most famous combat athlete in the US because he was an arrogant dick?
joker24 - February 19, 2012
i see that you think you know what im thinking, but i actually think that you dont think you think what you think you think.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
I followed all that and...
I’m pretty sure he’s thinking the right thing.
RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin - February 19, 2012
you shouldn't compare yourself to all time greats at all
You will sound like an arrogant asshole, even if you are right.
You let other people make those comparisons for you.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
You guys really need to watch more sports
A solid majority of great athletes in sports (except hockey players and QBs) do this. It’s how the best think of themselves because that’s the mindset you have to have, even if you aren’t.
Kobe apparently told everyone that he was going to go down as the best Laker ever when he was 18. Adrian Peterson has said that he thinks he’s going to be the best NFL player ever. Bryce Harper has said he wants to be the best player ever and he’s 19 and hasn’t topped AA yet. Every wide receiver ever thinks they are better than Jerry Rice.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Yeah
But how many of them tell others all that every chance they get?
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
Well, Kobe, Adrian Peterson, Bryce Harper and every receiver ever is a start
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Kobe wasn't ever that bad
But even he, after the rape ting, he toned down the histrionics. I’ve never heard AD say anything cocky, and WR are generally tool bags.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
I want to be the best player to ever play this game.
OHMYGOD HE’S SO ARROGANT HE HASN’T BEEN IN THE LEAGUE LONG ENOUGH TO POSSIBLY TRY TO COMPARE HIMSELF TO THE REAL GREATS.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Meh, thats garden variety athlete talk
Jon just does it differently
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Yep, it's all garden variety athlete-talk
They all want to be a role model (except Chuck), they all think they’re going to be the best ever, and they all think they’re humble. Where have I heard that before?
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Don't you talk about Kobe like that
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Really??
No.
Those other guys can work a mic and not come off as complete douches, Jones on the other hand cannot order off a menu without sounding like a pretentious dick
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
So to be clear, you hate Jones not because hes boring, not because hes arrogant, not because he cant back up the arrogance, but because he cant express his arrogance in a way that is platable to you.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
When did I say I hate Jones?
The negativity you project is harshing on the divine dreams I have for my future that extends far beyond being…I’m not gonna say right now, but I am the greatest
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
You said he sounds like a pretentious dick
Our condolences
halitosis - February 19, 2012
I'm not saying its not done
I’m just saying you sound like a douche when you say it.
“The Greatest of All Time” title means alot more when coming from a critic than a participant.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Indeed
But it’s comical to see the MMA fans freak out over Jones just going over the standard “ridiculously good young athlete” protocol. Role-model, want to be great, super duper humble I swear. It’s what they all say.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
If you have to say you're great...
you aren’t
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
So Ali wasnt?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
No no, Ali is great...
at making martinis
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
and shit talking. Ali was a master shit talker
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
He was an asshole, truth be told.
What he did to frasier was grade-A douchebaggery.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i get it
Shaken not stirred lmao
Mike Ox Sofa King Thai Knee - February 19, 2012 via mobile
That's just plain wrong
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Ali beat the most feared fighters of two generations on the way to becoming the most famous combat athlete of all time, being an arrogant dick had nothing to do with it.
sheikybaby - February 19, 2012
With what?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Jones is kind of doing the same thing.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Being an arrogant dick is pretty much what Ali did to make Don King a lot of money....
duck - February 19, 2012
Hes also predicting that his career will take the same path as Ali's
Which is ridiculous.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
why?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Becasue he isn't even close
Being a very successful young fighter is not the same as being Ali. It’s not even in the same universe.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
LOL they are running out of guys for him to fight, we might never know unless they dig up some guys!
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
As much as I can't stand hearing him talk..
Bonnar, Bader, Shogun, Rampage, Machida, Evans(?), Henderson(?)
Proof is in the pudding
warren305 - February 19, 2012
He could get beaten by Rashad or Hendo.
None of us know, because we don’t have a time machine. Even if he does beat them both, he is still a along way off, IMO. Ali is legend, who has been involved in some really insane fights with other legends.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Lets say he does beat Rashad and Hendo
What then? Beat them all twice? We gotta face the fact that Jones beat some of the best fighters in history, in the deepest weight class. Who else is there?
warren305 - February 19, 2012
LHW is not the deepest weight class
LW and WW far surpass it.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
It used to be.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Five or six years ago maybe
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
2-3
pre-Jones
warren305 - February 19, 2012
I think it's a little ridiculous to say 205 is the deepest division.
It’s an old division with a lot of name fighters, but I don’t think it’s the deepest.
That aside, I think that it would be a great start to his legacy. But Ali isn’t a legend because he beat 7 guys.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Same response
It used to be. Shogun, Rampage, Jones, Evans, Machida, Griffin are just former champs, you still had Bader, Bonnar, Hamill, and uite a few other guys. Were as LW and WW, who are the proven champions in those divisions?
warren305 - February 19, 2012
That's a lame argument
Title belts mean very little when compared to quality of wins.
LW is a shark tank. Even guys in the middle of that division are a threat to beat the tops guys because they’re so good.
Look at a guy like Lauzon. He is a mid tier fighter, but he has a path to victory against most of the other killers in his weight class just because the guy is so skilled.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
It is straight revisionist history to say the LHW wasn't the deepest division pre-Jones
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Again, lame argument
LHW is an aging, top heavy division. It was the deepest when the UFC and PRIDE were at its peaks, but hasn’t been to that level in a while. Sure the top of the division is still good, but a division with no competitive mid tier isn’t really that deep
The LHW division isn’t deep because Jones cleared it out, it was deteriorating long before Jones arrived.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
Compared to what division?
LW?? Lmao. Youre telling me that Gray Maynard, Melvin Guillard and Guida are comparable to Rampage, Machida, Shogun?? GTFO. So what WW? Shields, Koscheck Conduit..???
Yes LHW, top to bottom, strongest division.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Outside of Evans, Jones, Rampage (getting older), Shogun (getting older), Hendo (getting older), and Machida (whose 1-3 in his last four), the division drops off HARD. Davis and Gustaffson are still prospects, Griffin is almost done, and after that there are gatekeepers like Lil Nog and failed prospects like Bader.
If you look at LW, there are a ton of great lightweights OUTSIDE of the UFC. Guys like Chandler, Aoki, Alvarez, or Melendez are top fighters that are not even there. Not to mention that once you get into the UFC you have top guys like Bendo, Edgar, Maynard are just as good P4P as the guys you mentioned. Look at the guys in the middle of the LW divison. Dunham, Guillard, Nate Diaz, Guida, and Jim Miller are all guys in the middle of that division that are pretty fantastic.
You can’t even compare LHW to a division like WW. GSP, Diaz, Alves, Koscheck, Fitch, Hendricks, Ellenberger, Condit, Fitch, MacDonald, and Kampmann are all great fighters. Not to mention that in the middle of that division you have guys like Jake Shields, Paulo Thiago, DHK, Story and Pierce who are all dangerous and are hard outs themselves.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
For each of those mid-tier guys you named
LHW has a mid-tier guy and a proven champion
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Name a mid tier LHW who is a proven champion
Who isn’t Tito Ortiz.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
LHW
Hasnt been a deep division since lidell and wand fought. To me that was the end of lhw being the deepest division. The fact that rampage and hendo are still top 10 fighters should be a clue. Name a top ten ww or lw who’s been fighting for 10+ years
Armleglegarm Head - February 19, 2012 via mobile
GSP
Fitch is very slightly under 10 years
Shields
Condit is slightly under 10 years
Tedd Welch - February 19, 2012
I said 10+ not ‘just under’ 10, and I wasnt talking about amateur fights
Armleglegarm Head - February 21, 2012 via mobile
Are you seriously saying Henderson isnt top ten? He fucking knocked out Fedor and had one of the best fights in MMA history in the his last two wins. Oh yeah before that he won a title. What are you smoking?
nomomrnicekyle - February 20, 2012
Reading comprehension
Your post lacks it
Armleglegarm Head - February 21, 2012 via mobile
I'm guessing u like fitch coz he gets counted twice!
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Good catch
I actually don’t like Fitch. It’s weird I put him there twice.
discoandherpes - February 20, 2012
I'm not sure what you are asking, exactly.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
no, being arrogant is cool, plus considering
he backs it up big time, but his personality overall didn’t match!!! while Ali was the way he was all the time, there was consistency. With Jon, there’s no consistency. he act like a nice “boy”, swag, cute and shit, but other time is mean and fake and etc. especially when it comes to interactions with Rashad and Rampage! lol they wake that little boy in Jon. He’ll grow over that, I’m sure, lol
Nodir Shermatov - February 19, 2012
ali and jones' arrogance is like apples and oranges
Ali at first was very tongue and cheek, there werent athletes like that back then. it got him ALOT of attention there werent ochocinco’s and t.o’s an shit like that back then. Ali was very tongue and cheek and humorous about his greatness. Jones is like mystical about his greatness, like he LITERALLY believes he is gods gift to earth.Ali started to maybe feel that way about himself after winning the HW title the 2nd or 3rd time but he definately wasnt some cocky mystical douchebag about himself in his early 20’s, he isnt now! he was a goofball! The way jones talks about himself is disgusting, i seriously want this guy to get smashed. The guy is no where near ali and is so far off it is not even funny. this guy is maybe what ali was at 23 but to compare himself to “ALI” fucking ALI, come on man the guy dominated one of the fiercest divisions in history of any combat sport for almost 20 years while having some of the most famous fights and performances ever. YER NO ALI BRO.
bert44 - February 19, 2012
"Ali was very tongue and cheek and humorous about his greatness."
Ask George Foreman how “tongue and cheek” Ali’s racial humor was before their fight in Africa…
duck - February 19, 2012
Or Joe Frasier about their fight in manila.
Ali was a dick, through and through. he didn’t make it personal, but he said very personal things anyways and didn’t bat an eyelash.
His being a legend has to do with more than just boxing. Ali captured the zeitgeist of a generation and ran with it, most often times by just being himself—Jones can’t hope to do the same thing b/c the times are different now.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I know the times are different but the possibilities do exist
As an example: if Brock, whose similar claim to being the baddest man on the planet (largely analogous to being the greatest), had beat all comers and defended the belt 10 times over 3 years; including absolute 5 round wars with say: Mir, Randy, nog, carwin, Cain, jds, overeem, fedor (all assuming during peak form eg beat fedor before werdum, nog 2 yrs back)… And if he kept trumpeting how he was the baddest… His profile would have been huge, perhaps as big as Ali. If not, the let’s add brock crossing to boxing and beating the klitschkos after all this in MMA. I think the times allow it if the fighter is truly that great. I think if Ali was in his prime in boxing today and faced great opponents, he could still be as huge. Jones perhaps suffers from being too much better than his peers. If his fights with shogun ramPage and Mach were closer, no one would be saying lhw is thin, and jones would be the great fighter with heart who beat these killers.
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012 via mobile
But thats not the argument. Your exact words were, and I quote, “Nothing he has done is new or revolutionary”. Which is of course, incorrect. Having the best year in MMA history is both new AND revolutionary. And of course, people said the exact same thing about Ali, that he had no right to compare himself to Joe Louis til he blah blah blah etc etc. Ali proceeded to ignore the Warbreezy equivalents of the 1960s and just went about continuing to kick everyones ass.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
There have been "best years in MMA" for a long time.
There was a fanpost a while ago, which listed a series of other years in MMA, which could be considered quite great. The specific details of his rise to the top of the division might be different than others, but it is not revolutionary. For something be truly revolutionary, it would have to cause, or lead to a serious paradigm shift. He has done something that other fighters have done, only a little bit better.
And at any rate, my only problem with Jones is that he comes off as a phony, arrogant dick. He is a great fighter and I enjoy watching him, but I still dislike him as a person.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
I swear I’m not trolling you, I think I get it, we just define revolutionary differently. You talking about like Royce introducing BJJ, Tito and Hughes perfecting GNP, or Brock coming over from WWE. Ok, I see where you are going with this. You are right then, by that definition: until guys start trying to fight like Bones, it isnt revolutionary………yet.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
I mean, where do you think the term "revolutionary" came from?
It’s an event so monumental that everything that comes afterward is different because of it.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Then we agree: he has to beat JDS. If he does that, you and I can group hug on the board LOL
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
If he does that, it would be pretty crazy.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
You come off as a jealous prick.
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
Why?
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
It’s because you call someone you don’t know at all an arrogant dick (time and again). I think your point of view is less than reliable. Jones, at 24, already represents athletic greatness. And although it’s somewhat unconventional, it’s okay for a great athlete to aspire to greatness outside the ring as well. Let’s not insult a guy for believing in himself when so many others, for reasons that would directly benefit them, would have him meditate on humility. He’s out to make his mark, and as an MMA fan, I believe it’s a very good thing. As a parent, I’ll take this guy as a role model for my kid over a Diaz brother (who you compare favorably to Jones somewhere) or a pretend jive-turkey Greg Jackson castoff crybaby like Evans any day of the week.
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
I said that Diaz honestly speaks his mind.
Where as Jones comes off as if he is trying to craft a persona and legacy. Nate is still kind of a jerk for all of his thug antics, but at the end of the day, I think what you see with the Diaz brothers is what you get.
Jones’ ego is a lot larger than what he has currently achieved. It’s fine to aspire to greatness, but he is claiming that he is already there, rather than simply being on the cusp.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
He's the fucking best in a division that has been one of the most important in MMA history
What else do you want? He’s earned it
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Chokeslam KO
That’ll settle it for me.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Now that is a reasonable request
duck - February 19, 2012
He's been doing this shit forever.
Like calling himself the champ before he actually was. I know shit loads of fighters do the same things he does, but that doesn’t make it any better. He;s still annoying, and so are they.
Meanwhile, you have guys like JDS quietly destroying people, without much recognition, and without trying to proclaim their own greatness.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
JDS doesn't speak English as his first langauge
Seems to me, Anderson Silva is seen as a quiet champ in the US, too, but that’s only because most of us don’t speak Portuguese. He sure had a lot to say to Vitor Belfort during their fight, but since we couldn’t understand it at the time, he doesn’t get called out for mid-fight taunts.
duck - February 19, 2012
I think he’s said there’s so much more he wants to accomplish and that he hasn’t even begun. It’s as though people think he should sit up there (having never even been tested in an MMA match while going up against the greats of the sport) and expound on his weaknesses as a fighter and a person. Buddy, it doesn’t work that way. You can get so much mileage out of what you envision and what you believe. If he were to believe Rashad, we would not even know who the hell Jon Jones is. There’s nothing fake about what he’s about. I’ll take his kind of slightly pulpity and simplistic philosophizing over the feverishly brash and charmingly misanthropic self-promoting of a guy like Ali — who, by the way, was loathed by so many in his early days as well.
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
I never understand this
People consistently call guys like Jones fake because he is attempting to navigate life with fame and fortune on the moral high ground, and then turn around and call someone like Nick Diaz who (to be nice) has extremely poor social skills “real”. Most of the people I want to be around look like Jon Jones not Nick Diaz.
AndersonSilvaMoney - February 19, 2012
Well, you are no Stocktonian
we are all different :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I said that the Diaz brothers are "real"
Because when they say or do somebody, it generally seem feel like that is how they feel. I can’t tell with Jones, because he always seems like he is trying to carefully craft a public persona.
Everybody who knows anything about MMA knows that the fight with Rashad is personal, but Jon pretends it isn’t. Come on. It’s just difficult to tell when he is being truthful about things.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
The Diaz brothers are fake at times and play the whole “stockton” thing up for fights
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Not to hear Joe Rogan tell it.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I am pretty sure they have even said they play things up because that is what you need to do to hype fights
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Not when it comes to the fabled land of Stockton, they don't.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Everybody is fake at times.
But i generally get the impression that the Diaz brothers mean what they say. Jones just seems overwhelmingly fake. As if everything he is saying is being said to craft a persona, rather than because it what he truly thinks or feels.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
rec'd for appropriate usage of jive turkey
TheDreadedMarco - February 19, 2012
Used to be, fighter-bashing could get a guy banned on BE
duck - February 19, 2012
I’m actually glad that rule isn’t enforced very much lately. It would hinder our deep and thoughtful discussions.
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
It's two different things.
He is inauthentic, and is spinning some narratives that aren’t close to true. Well, he’s in his early twenties, is being hailed as the GOAT already, is the LHW champ, and his division is turning over so he looks good for years. I get it. I can’t imagine the personal changes he must be undergoing. It’s still distasteful to people who see the dissonance between the actual and what he’s laying out there for us. But we should all have a bit of sympathy for a young man who has just accomplished a lifetime’s worth of dreams in just a couple years when his identity is still forming.
DankNabbot - February 19, 2012
Very well said.
The only problem is that success at such a young age, stunts a person’s character due to the people that tend to cling to him/her.
Hopefully he’ll come out unscathed, but I doubt it.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
He didn't compare himself to Ali
You should learn to listen and differentiate. God dammit, now you made me defend Jones.
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
He's the future of the UFC
If he gets past Evans, he dominates that division. He is exciting and people will know him. In the future, I wouldn’t doubt him pulling over millions of viewers for PPV fights.
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Oops
Over a million*
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Who should he compare himself to?
The dude believes in himself and believes he’s the best, which until he starts losing rounds, I’m willing to believe.
Shatto1 - February 20, 2012
You can dislike a person, but respect their abilities.
I love watching Bones fight, because I appreciate skill. But imagine a guy you work with walking around the workplace telling everyone how he’s god’s gift to the company, and you tell me you won’t start to hate the guy.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
props and agreed really
..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
what pud said.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t “walk around the workplace telling everyone he’s god’s gift to the company.”
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
You're splitting hairs.
You know what I mean though.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
So say what you mean and shelve the unfair hyperbole.
His message seems simple and if it’s sometimes awkwardly expressed, it nevertheless has philosophical weight. “If you don’t believe in yourself nobody else will.” It’s as old as the hills, too, and he clearly credits his success to this kind of affirmative, unapologetic, damn-the-doubters thinking. It’s obviously no coincidence that his recent opponents look to attack his self-confidence by calling him fake, fraud, phony, etc, etc, etc. It’s such a cliche at this point, and Evans does himself no favors by pressing this tactic. The guy is going to absolutely get punished.
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
Exactly why he fits into the Ali mold
early 20s, dominant wins (actually I think Jones might have been a bit more dominant at the same age; I remember Ali beat some older Brit in a close fight to win his title), considered arrogant and pushy. Both men considered themselves greatness personified. They were both also hated early on for their ‘arrogant’ personalities.
The main difference between them comes in the shape of Jones’ demeanour. Ali did his trash talk in a very rehearsed way, almost like a street poet, rhyming about why he’s the greatest and putting on what amounts to a hilarious show. Jones, on the other hand, kind of mumbles through a few quotes, maybe mentiones God once or twice, and seems flustered whenever people question his greatness. He isn’t slick or clever, and he certainly doesn’t have the charisma that Ali had. Ali was a performer with every breath he took.
On top of all that, Ali lived in a time of racial unrest, and he effectively became a symbol for the pro-Black movement and pro-black America. People forget that a lot of Ali\s fame came from politicizing himself and making himself a controversial social figure. Jon Jones has a long way to go before he becomes that kind of icon. When you factor in Ali’s stance on Nam, and how he became a symbol for the public’s hatred of the war, it’s really hard to compare the two.
Based on pure athletic achievement, I’d say they’re about equal at the same time in their careers, but Jon Jones needs to pick up a few books if he wants to become that kind of icon.
Erasedhead - February 20, 2012
Ali was entertaining while being an amazing shit talker
Jones is nothing like Ali in this regard. He always comes across like he is trying to be something he’s not.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
haha the Jones I used to dislike is right there
I gained respect for him, after he accomplished all that in 2011, also he got way better with public, and all. but when it comes to interactions with Shad and Page the little boy in him wakes up, the fakeness that didn’t completely fade away yet floats up to surface lol hahah
Nodir Shermatov - February 19, 2012
Jon is young
Cut him some slack. The universe has its way of balancing things out and making him humble. It probably won’t be Rashad though.
SheepleBuster - February 19, 2012
after this interview, it’s hard to deny Rashad’s getting into his head.
Victor Rodriguez - February 19, 2012
Actually it's pretty easy: I don't see it
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
Supposedly, Rampage was, too.
How’d that work out?
duck - February 19, 2012
not well
but this is to a different degree. not sure if this will work for or against Rashad, but i like how he’s flustering him like this.
Victor Rodriguez - February 19, 2012
And it begins. This is going to be great.
The One Who Wears The Crown - February 19, 2012
lol..JJ pulled an AI
The One Who Wears The Crown - February 19, 2012
Jones really came off bad, but I guess that’s nothing new he always looks bad when there’s someone else in the interview that will call him on stuff and not just allow him to spew his lies
williambonney - February 19, 2012
It’s too bad they’re both too professional to start brawling like Hayes and Chisora. Would have bumped their PPV cuts.
Heresy - February 19, 2012
You never, EVER compare yourself to Ali or any other of the greats. It makes you seem like an arrogant dick.
TheLastEmpress - February 19, 2012
Seem?
Maybe, just maybe, that’s exactly what Jon Jones is. At least until he loses.
Heresy - February 19, 2012
So like every other champion in sports history?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Yeah. But think about it for a second. He is 24 years old. People are mentioning him in the same category as ANDERSON SILVA. How would you have reacted?
TheLastEmpress - February 19, 2012
So, let me get this straight
What he should do is say, in the collective opinion of the Jones haters, is “I’m fortunate to even have the chance to be champion, Evans is a great fighter who can certainly beat me, and all I can do is prepare and do my best.”
And if he DID say that, y’all would be all over him for being a phoney. “Man, he KNOWS he’s gonna truck Rashad, he’s just saying that to get better PPV numbers and make more money. He’s fake.”
There’s literally nothing Jones can say that the haters won’t attack, and if he didn’t say anything at all, you’d attack him for being scared. And fake.
duck - February 19, 2012
Rashad definitely won that one.
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
Well, at least he'll be able to say he beat Jon Jones.
At corny debate, but its something!
The Hamburger Pimp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
just watched that press conference in Atlanta
and it stuck me how much more Rashad is loved by the crowd. It’s sad that he will get beaten up , its almost a 100%. There is right now noone to catch Bones. He would need a fresh face to do that in the future.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
ITs because Atlanta is a predominantly African American city and Rashad is viewed as more street and authentic. He was so loved by the crowd in Chicago that half the crowd walked out before his fight was halfway over.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
HAHA
:D that i didnt know .. doesnt he live there?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I dunno…….when Rashad KOed Chuck in Atlanta you could hear crickets chirping, but he has grown in standing in the African American community since then, I guess.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
well, he did knock out Chuck, of all people.
Victor Rodriguez - February 19, 2012
Its because Jones isn't likable
Lol. By who?
Rashad has as much ‘street cred’(which most black don’t give an ef about) as Chael Sonnen.
I don’t know one black person IRL that is a Jones fan. Not even little kids.
Most guys like Rashad or Rampage. IME, Rashad is gaining fans, Rampage is losing them. Jones never had them.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
So………huh? You say “I dont know one black person that is a Jones fan. Most guys like Rashad or Rampage” (by the way, generalization). I mention that African Americans tend to view Jones as acting too white, and…….I’m a racist. Interesting. Think what you want, I dont even care about that accusation enough to dissect it.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Naw
You’re right.
Later. :)
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
LOL wow………well that was astonishingly easily settled! HIGH FIVE!
And for the record, I’ve ripped Rampage more times then I can count on these boards for his 1920’s Stepin Fetchit public persona being a bad role model for kids of all races.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
i was just avoiding further arguing
I’ve been called ‘too white’ or ‘white washed’ many times. Just never by a black person.
I was saying that from my experience IRL, Jones just isn’t well-liked. Period.
I’ve never heard one person talk about him ‘acting white’.
The vast majority of black people aren’t that ignorant or racist and don’t give a damn about perceived ‘street cred’. In fact, most of us appreciate and respect athletes that don’t fulfill stereotypes.
The vast majority also don’t really watch MMA either. Its not a big thing in the black community, yet.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I want to know
exactly what makes Jon Jones appear to be acting white? And do ya’ll actually understand what that means towards minorities in general?
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
Holy fuck!
I’m saying the opposite.
I’m agreeing that there’s no such thing as ‘acting white’.
For the last time, I am black and I am strongly disagreeing with what he said.
Did you read my posts where I call that ignorant and racist?
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
The beauty of forums is that people can miss something and their whole understanding of the conversation remains the same, but in reality you two are debating about completely different things.
And yet, the debate lives on. Like a cancer.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I dont understand all this
And i see zero interaction between the two and have no idea what went wrong in here, but hope it gets sorted out
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Calm down
I trying to reply to this certain part of this thread where the topic was brought up, not trying to argue with you.
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
Well that wasn't clear
My bad.
I was just annoyed thinking that you were coming at me bro when we were on the same side of the argument.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Seriously dude
Did you ever read my posts?
I should be extremely that I was offended by his comment and responded back to say just that.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Read your posts
I’m actually trying to reply to this portion of this posts where Hutchy talks about Jones acting to white.
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
You're right
I don’t think people understand how insanely offensive it is to say a well-spoken or all-around regular black guy is ‘acting white’.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Exactly
As mention earlier, black people as a whole haven’t gravitated towards mma as they are still holding to the old guard that is boxing, and haven’t found a way to appreciate both. But black people are probably even more of a minority here on bloody elbow. Sometimes I read the posts on here and just see blatant racism. It is def insanely offensive as a black person to be considered ‘acting white’. I happen to graduate high school, hold one degree and working on my second, am I acting white too because I want more for myself and my family? I laugh at how ridiculous that notion is that thats considered ‘acting white’ to want to do that lol.
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
If people think wanting to be someone respectable and take care of your family is ‘acting white’, they have a very high opinion of ‘whiteness’ and a strange notion of what it means to be black.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
What does acting too white even mean?
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
EXACTLY
That was the point of my posts.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I side with the class warfare interpretation
wherein “acting white” is not a matter of race as much as it’s a matter of class and privilege. People tend to see fighters as working class heroes and to see someone that seems so very middle class / upper class in his mannerisms doesn’t suit them I guess.
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
He's talking specifically about black people
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
CLASS WARFARE
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
i'm not seeing it...
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
i think many may see Jones
acting up as a rich kid now and then because he ’s not talking rappin you know and doesnt act up like a rapper ir streetkid. Even Rashad has more that accent than he has , as many have pointed out Jones is trying his best to even try to tone his words the British way. Thats what many mean is pretentiousness.. In a way it is i guess
szanpan - February 19, 2012
You're a sweet heart :)
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Oops
Meant to reply to a different comment you made.
The point remains though, you are a sweet heart.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is not upper class. That's insanity.
It is well documented he comes from a somewhat underprivileged background.
His only problem on that front is that he’s not a black urban stereotype to be easily sold to suburban kids.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
HE’S GOT BENTLEYS
OKAY JUST ONE
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
i think one or two of his brothers are pros and kinda well paid
so i think he comes from a gifted family on all aspect
szanpan - February 19, 2012
One brother is on a rookie contract with teh ravens
and isn’t making close to $1M a year. Closer to $500K. The other brother is in college. Jon is, by far, the richest of his family.
duck - February 19, 2012
And always will be
The man is gonna make 5 million a fight one day. Maybe 10.
I’m calling it now.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
what does acting black mean for white kids?
Im white…grew up as a minority in a poor neighborhood. If i break danced listened to rap or used slang…i was a wigger. Racism works both ways. Thats while you will never see WET white entertainment tv or the whitezillions lol. Where i grew up the notion was you had to be black to be cool and a tough guy. The darker the skin the better the fighter…stupid prejudices.
Mike Ox Sofa King Thai Knee - February 19, 2012 via mobile
not for nothing
but when BET came out virtually the rest of TV as seen as “WET” by minorities… thats why BET was invented.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Shh!
Let him make his 20 year old argument that had already been beat to death despite its fallacious nature.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I'm still waiting for the other BET.
Brown Entertainment Television.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
whats this all about?
now my interest is awakening …
szanpan - February 19, 2012
You don't want one, man
I’m 100% sure that BET was designed to make black people look stupid.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I just want my chicano brethren on the north of the border to experience the harrowing reality of Canal de las Estrellas.
It is our own version of BET, but with telenovelas.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
And far longer existence.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
We have lot of Spanish channels now
Don’t know if that counts.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I don’t speak Spanish but will watch just for the ladies
Art_Wanderlei - February 19, 2012
Haha I have always said the View was made to make women look stupid.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Television in general
Makes people look stupid.
DankNabbot - February 19, 2012
Univision is light beige entertainment television, no?
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Not even near the trainwreck that is everything Televisa puts on the airwaves over here.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Now I'm intrigued
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Write "maldita lisiada" on youtube.
Watch the vid. Laugh hysterically.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Is it strange that I watched that vid,
way before you mentioned it?
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
But what are these channels ?
You two are not in the same country? This BET or what? We only have channels according to topics mainly. I dont like any of them
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I'm in Mexico. He's in the U.S.
BET is a television station built to appeal to “black culture,” or whatever that means these days that can be monetized, somehow.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I think I love you
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
You should see the shit we have over here.
A bunch of telenovelas that mostly are about a poor guy/ girl that falls in love with a rich girl/guy than then we export to the rest of Latin America, polluting their cultural makeup.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Ahh yes my country buys them ALL
but NOW, the Turkish are attaching with THEIRS wow imagine the housewifes and basically everyone in the evening haha
I m out of this shit I only watched 2 Turkish last year and i think thats a real good result
szanpan - February 19, 2012
The neoliberal era, which could probably be operationally defined as the period from Thatcher-Reagan to now, or at least when Alan Greenspan had to tell congress "we were wrong"
has left categories like black, feminist, gay or lesbian, which have long histories of struggle and suffering to achieve equality or near equality in mainstream white patriarchal america, as being more of a lifestyle choice, a brand, to be bought and sold to. So black is a commercial identity, feminists are reading jezebel.com and buying organic food, etc, gay men spend a lot on clothes and interior decorating and are to be respected for their purchasing power. It negates the harsh reality and history of struggle and simplifies everything under the guise of free market emancipation. This phenomenon is commonly what is referred to when you hear the term “Post-Racist America” or “Post Feminism.” It’s a byproduct of consumer capitalism as far as I can tell. It is the appropriation of styles, mores and morays, art, and language, commodifying it, and repackaging it to sell back to consumers. BET, just like other identity brand sellers, sells a narrative of blackness. It is a commodification of aspects of blackness condensed and repackaged for sale. And by and large, it is not all that flattering.
Yeah, I know everyone, but I am stuck with this sociology degree and it’s like majoring in unemployment so I have to use it somehow. I read a lot about social justice, race, and gender, and it just kind of spills out of me from time to time. Sorry. Especially with a few too many beers.
DankNabbot - February 19, 2012
oooooooooh
and the drunk guy didn’t hit cancel, he hit post. Because an MMA forum is the perfect place to talk about race and politics. My profuse apologies. I am out.
DankNabbot - February 19, 2012
its okay i posted the bet comment way earlier and i i get itit
Racism sucks both ways. Laymen here. Oh and now im drunker and higher than giraffe pussy on stilts
Mike Ox Sofa King Thai Knee - February 20, 2012 via mobile
yea ur right
We got jersey shore
Mike Ox Sofa King Thai Knee - February 19, 2012 via mobile
It’s when you get a diet coke even though the option of grape soda is right there. JONES DID EXACTLY THAT AT THE TWILIGHT PREMIERE. Case closed.
Tacoknight - February 20, 2012
Who are you to define he isn't likeable?
I am African-American and happen to be a fan of both fighters. Also a fan of Rampage. Where is this poll that you did on these 3 fighters that said “we” are choosing between the 3?
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
From my experience, honey
I was making a comparison between the three most famous black fighters in that division. But whatever.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Whoa
did you just call me honey? p
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
Yes
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I'm a guy
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
And...
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
So you're just disrespectful all around huh?
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
If you take it that way
I’m not going to preface every comment I make so that people can’t take it out of context
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Yes
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
YUS
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Oddly
I’m a fan of both, too.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
WTF?
what ass-backwards method did you use to come up with this crock of shit?
Major B - February 19, 2012 via Android app
everytime jones speaks I hate him more, the guy can’t really believe the crap he says especially about being a role model and admired by people unless he’s certifiable and needs to be institutionalized
williambonney - February 19, 2012
I guarantee you
That kids look up to him. He is a phenom, he is incredible at MMA, and he doesn’t talk about bullshit. He talks about his life and his virtues, which is a positive when compared against other sports figures.
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Exactly.
Problem is that his worldview is the size of a peanut.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
nice
I lold
Mike Ox Sofa King Thai Knee - February 19, 2012 via mobile
I don't hate Jones
but I’m pulling hard for Rashad on this one.
Bookhouse - February 19, 2012
I do.
TheLastEmpress - February 19, 2012
I’m in the same both, I actually love(/nh) both Jones and ‘Shad. Although I want ’Shad to win, I can’t fathom him winning.
The One Who Wears The Crown - February 19, 2012
boat*
The One Who Wears The Crown - February 19, 2012
booth*
nick_yuji - February 19, 2012
Jon would come off a lot better, if he just spoke honestly
He always seems like he is trying to craft a persona for the MMA historians to write about. He should’ve just talked shit about Rashad being KOed. At least it would’ve seemed real.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Can you list, in your opinion, a list of fighters who speak truly from the heart and just say whatever they really think with no schtick, Hype, self promotion, or fudging of the truth?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
There will always be an attempt to hype or self promote.
But everything about Jones seems to be crafted in an attempt to look good.
A guy like GSP has his moments when he genuinely speaks his mind about something. I’ve heard guys like Ben Askren apologize for a boring performance, and even Nate Diaz was willing to commend/apologize to Cowboy after he beat him..
When I listen to Jones speak, I get the feeling that very little of what he says is coming from a real place.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Honestly, you know what one of the biggest ironies in MMA is? The two most boring fighters on the planet, Gray Maynard and Jon Fitch, are probably the two most open, honest, entertaining interviews in the sport. They always say exactly what they mean without any sugar coating. Shame it doesnt translate to in-cage performance.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
That's irrelevant.
Jones is still arrogant and phoney.
Warbreezy - February 19, 2012
Do you know Jones personally?
Or you just going along with a few people say and think it is cool to call him “phoney”?
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
Maynard and Fitch give entertaining interviews? What? The only thing I can remember about a Fitch interview was that his face was there and it was moving. I can remember Maynard interviews, but only because they were so bad. Maynard mumbles around barely coherent sentences. You must be trolling. Or you have asperger’s, which would explain why you can’t see how repellent Jones’ personality is.
mcgriff - February 19, 2012
You didnt think MAynard sitting in his kitchen watching the Edgar fight on some shitty little 1985 antenna TV was hilarious? Seriously, I was crackin up.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Honest, maybe. Entertaining? No. I’m a fan of both, but cardboard boxes would give more entertaining interviews.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
I liked Maynard in TUF
And saw one Jon Fitch interview which wasnt bad.. but i didnt yet care to watch too many more so this i will need to do..
To me Maynard’s style resembles of the one of Mac Danzig
szanpan - February 19, 2012
you are right
its how it is. Ahhh and let s not forget about Nick Diaz who always says whats on his mind :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I HAVE A PICTURE OF MY FOOT ON RAMPAGES MOUTH
but i cant show anyone else, because that would be a dick move.
uh?????
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
Diego Sanchez.
Newman24 - February 19, 2012
warren305 - February 19, 2012
(insert cartwheel gif here)
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
YESSS YESSS YESSS
Im sorry he has stopped that one. I think he came off strange with this crusaders stuff ..but hell he is a strange guy :D
szanpan - February 19, 2012
thats one of my favorites
:) hope someone inserts it
Actually Diego is not a stupid guy he speaks well IMO
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
HAHA that one is great!!!!
I LOVE IT THANKS!!!! RECCCCC
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Diego has more pure entertainer instinct in his little finger then Jones has in his entire body, I cant deny that. Diego is awesome.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
AHHH YESSSSSS totally agreed i m HUGE Diego Fan!!!!
He is one unique great fighter that guy period.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Diego would be considered arrogant too
if he wasn’t already delusional, Diego is not frowned upon because his crazyness makes him feel real
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
And he's funny.
Dereck Chisora is a madman, but he’s funny. Kinda like that.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Diego is the more functioning alter ego of Nick Diaz
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
yes i m seeing many similarities between the two
the could even be friends …LOL :D
I like Diego so much how he is and yes he is clearly not normal in the sense we may see normality. Yet he is a great fighter and he is no stupid at all, i see and hear him saying pretty clever things indeed. so props to Diego and i love this gif i rather see his than the pic of Jones. Its IMO :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
And i really wonder what was he saying
was he praying ??? hmmm
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I'm not hating on Diego
I’m a fan, he is off beat, wacky, I like that. A lot more than the “I’m doing it all for the fans and I fight whoever they put infront of me” – cliché
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
i know i have become a real fan of his
really love the guy , great heart and great fighter
szanpan - February 19, 2012
ohhh my favorite gif is gone :(
szanpan - February 20, 2012
WTF
pornflake - February 19, 2012
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
the Diaz brothers fit that list.
The Hamburger Pimp - February 19, 2012 via mobile
He IS speaking honestly
and in this interview he seemed to be trying very hard to do so within the constraints of the show. just because you don’t like him or the way he comes off doesn’t make him a phony.
Trust Doesn't Rust - February 19, 2012
He's not a phony.
His ideals are, but he’s gonna have to take some time to realize it.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is using the NASCAR model for media relations
Say nothing that will upset the sponsors. Seriously. Even if you hate NASCAR, watch the Winner’s Circle interview of the winner, and then go back and watch any Jon Jones interview. He’s absolutely been coached to deal with the media in the way he does, because it will make him money.
Maybe that’s why I’m not offended. I grew up watching NASCAR, and I’ve been watching drivers do this for decades. Those who follow NASCAR know the Rusty Wallace in interviews after a race thanking his sponsors and say “Gosh Darn” was not the Rusty Wallace cursing like a sailor on the radio to his crew chief for 3 hours during the race before those conversations could be aired. The man knew to place nice and collect those ad $$$. Dale Jr. and Tony Stewart do the same thing – nice guys on camera, but they have their wild streaks away from the cameras.
GSP perfected it a few years ago, and he’s the one with UA and ESPN ads. Jon Jones wants that GSP career path – say nothing controversial, play nice with the sponsors., and make more money out of the cage than you do within it, eventually.
duck - February 19, 2012
interesting perspective
I think I might actually watch that and compare.
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012 via Android app
NHL players usually speak in the same way
although less talk about being the greatest. That seems like a combat-sport thing. But Crosby got hate for the same things when he burst onto the scene (phony, crybaby, faker, etc…). I still think NHL interviews are worse than UFC/MMA interviews, if only because the hockey players are responsible to their league, their sponsors, and their team (like working for a corporation).
Erasedhead - February 20, 2012
Jon is a 24 yr old know it all
I can’t stand him
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Sweet. Thanks for letting us know. I’m going to put you down for “can’t stand”.
Lucas2 - February 19, 2012
You're welcome
I’ll mark you down under “smart ass”
warren305 - February 24, 2012
These two better not hug after the fight.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
Not a Jones fan
But I was trying to go into this fight completely neutral, and just enjoy the outcome. That video however, holy shit. “What negative energy errrrrr.” Complete douche chills listening to that whole spiel.
Jon Jones, saving children in America one child at a time.
thievesdont - February 19, 2012
“I have a vision board” HAHAHA
thievesdont - February 19, 2012
I laughed my ass off as well upon hearing that. Vision board sounds like something you make in elementary school
Robust23 - February 19, 2012
Robust23 - February 19, 2012
nothing
wrong with ur vision…
rohedron - February 21, 2012
I don't think it's a spiel
Jones really believes what he is saying
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I wonder if his "vision board"
Also includes becoming the most hated champ ever… Cuz that’s also coming to fruition… Ass
give me my burger - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Which is far more a commentary on MMA fans then Jon Jones
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Yeah it's not his fault
Its everyone else’s…
give me my burger - February 19, 2012 via mobile
The most exciting fighter in the sport, who is squeaky clean outside the ring and actually WANTS to fight 5 times a year, who is beating everyones ass, is hated because…..hes too arrogant. Yup, pretty much, its everyone elses fault.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
MMA fans are idiots for the most part, but the thing is, liking a fighter has more to do than just their ability. The whole point of superstars is the whole package, and you can’t blame people for rejecting Jones because of his persona. Jones is incredible, but he needs a publicist or someone to tell him to zip it once in a while. I don’t think people are discounting his achievements. They just think he’s an ass. Arrogance doesn’t look good on anyone.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
There have been millions of non hated arrogant fighters before Jones. Its because hes a huge dork. Jones may be the nerdiest man on the planet, literally. There isnt a bigger dork walking Gods green earth, so therefore, arrogance on him looks like total unlikeability ……as opposed to Rashad, who literally grabbed his dick in the ring against Forrest, tried to dance AS MACHIDA WAS KNOCKING HIM OUT, did the Fred Sanford dance over Chuck’s KOed and possibly injured body, did some bizarre chicken dance when he was on TUF……….but thats cool, right, because hey, at least he has an aura of coolness about him, right?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
No man, you're going way too deep with this
You’re video player must not be working, because you couldn’t have just watched the interview. Jon just comes across as a complete dick. You can’t rationalize it
warren305 - February 19, 2012
He looked terrible here. Rashad just kept feeding Jones more rope for him to hang himself with.
And he did. That smug look on Rashad’s face was hilarious.
pud333 - February 19, 2012
Even in the police academy videos from the other day
Its just like, he’s the opposite of a cool guy. Like even if he was my friend, I know that I wouldn’t be able to stand him half the time
warren305 - February 19, 2012
I totally agree. Jones is the total opposite of a cool guy……..OUTSIDE the cage. Inside the cage, the baddest assassin MFer on the planet. And heres the cool part: I dont have to hang out with him outside the cage. I only have to pay to watch him fight.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
agreed
In the cage, hes a savant, a true prodigy, and maybe the best ever before all is said and done.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Dropping Machida on his face and pimp-walking away, its astounding the same stone killer who did that, put a mic in his face and hes like “ummm Ali……ummmm……I’m awesome………ummm I mean no Im not………….humility………bye bye now”
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
He needs to grow up
I’d like Rashad to beat him, like via KO. He needs to learn that he isn’t invincible. Have him come back and TKO Rashad, then beat him again. I love in-cage Jones
warren305 - February 19, 2012
IMO he should just speak up his mind
i think Afro-Americans cant categorise him into being like they are… which makes Rashad a lot more profitable on this matter . Many may think he tries to act up like a “white” so to say… He goes too far when he talks about his plans in a way which is not fully attractive because this sport is not chess or so. Be the fans how they are but its them who really say who is a favorite and who is not. But the UFC doesnt care because loving or hating created PPV, its the actual lack of interest which makes a fighter (Fitch?) to be in the most dangerous position..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Jon has the bad luck of not being a stereotype and having a pretty self righteous personality.
I feel for him on that front. Poor guy.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I still love that Jones is fake
But the rich guy who goes by “Rampage” is real.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
And who has made millions on a stepin fetchit public persona straight out of 1920. THATS the REAL authentic guy, right?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
No dude, just no on all fronts
Jon Jones is a black man.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
But he's not a stereotype that is easy to tell.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Neither is Evans
warren305 - February 19, 2012
yeah, its weird all right.
im a role model. hey-i have a cool photo of my foot on rampages head. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, MOTHERFUCKER!!!
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
This. Go full on asshole Jones.
Tell me you’re gonna fuck this division up, then fuck it up again just for the hell of it, and then you’re gonna go up and beat all those fat big boys at heavyweight.I’m fine with that. But like gspmademegay said: MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
Sweet Scientist - February 19, 2012
have you ever listened to chuck liddell?
It’s getting ridiculous, Jones is not a rhetorical genius, but he is not simple jack either and in those vids he is not bad just not as good as rashad
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I beg to differ, sir!
MicahtheCynic - February 20, 2012
This is the coolest still shot in MMA I have ever seen!
soilworker - February 20, 2012
In all fairness Rashad is one of the most hated fighters in the sport.
He’s hated much more than Jones is. With that said many MMA fans are hypocritical with their dislike for Jones. I think most of it has to do with him beating their favorite fighters. Everything started going down hill for him when he had the audacity to think he could beat Shogun.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
And you know this how? Did you, like, conduct a survey on the matter?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
The multiple eyewitness accounts of masses of people walking out of his fight with Davis before it was even halfway over arent helping your cause, bro.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
I was talking about the hypocrisy, bro.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
By everytime he's shown on camera he's boo'd by the crowd.
He’s said he’s used to the booing now.
HaterSlayer - February 20, 2012
As Dale Earnhardt told Jeff Gordon...
The two were in the same convertible, riding around a track before a NASCAR race, waving to fans during driver intros, and Jeff complained he didn’t understand why race fans booed him so much and hated him.
Dale told him “Don’t worry when they boo. Worry when they don’t do anything at all.”
duck - February 20, 2012
Juding by crwod reactions
Rashad seems much more well-liked, IMO>
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Fixed that for you. Wait till Shad rematches Forrest or something.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Excellent addition
Those are the key words.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
All this has made me like Rashad more.
My dislike for Jones increases the more he talks. If he were silent and did nothing but fight, I would be his biggest fan.
Scott C. Broussard - February 19, 2012
To be fair
I dislike Jones because i feel he is a dirty fighter. From elbows to the throat, to gripping someone around the eyes to keeping his fingers in a guys face all night i just find him to be a dirty fighter.
I really dislike front kicks to the knee as well and feel they are dirty, but there is no rule against them so i cannot call them dirty as a fact more so a\s opinion.
Riley_96 - February 19, 2012
You're right
He has no control over his character flaws, nor should he have any accountability for them… It’s everyone else’s job to accept and embrace them because he’s good at fighting…
give me my burger - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Now your learning!! I knew you would get it eventually! clapclapclap
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Hahah
Nuthugger
give me my burger - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Troll
halitosis - February 19, 2012
If u really can't understand
That people don’t like him because of his arrogance and this front he puts on, then you are a blind nuthugger. If you understand it but like him anyways there’s nothing wrong with that… Thats your opinion and choice. But c’mon, acting like it’s everyone else’s duty to automatically embrace his arrogance and fakeness, or any other character flaw just because he’s good at fighting is strait up nuthuggery
give me my burger - February 19, 2012
Most hated? By who exactly?
The vocal minority of a few hundred fans that populate these mma forums? You live in a bubble dude, this interview will be watched and cared about by no one but us. And you’re crazy if you think anyone will be more hated then Tim Sylvia.
Genki Sudo's Choreographer - February 19, 2012
Jones brings out complete irrationality in the BE echo chamber.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is in short order going to be the most recognizable MMA fighter in the world
He’s the no. 1 champion in the organization as far as media appearances right now, and he does come across as a tool.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
Wait..so Jon Jones interviews
“will be watched and cared about by no one but us”
That’s (hopefully) not true.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
hahahaha
“tell me how I feel”
the jewish conquistador - February 19, 2012
i have a feeling
that jones is going to be one of those types who blows all their money and ends up broke.
he’s driving around a brand new quarter million dollar car, and if that is indicative of his spending habits then he’s in trouble.
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
ROFL I love these Jones threads. The irrational bizzare-itude is hilarious. Tell me, have you ever seen a guy less “Street” then Jones? Hes 24 with probably 10 million in earnings in his future, and thats conservative. Is Rampage broke? Page, god bless him, appears to be one of the dumbest human beings on the planet, and by all appearances is rolling right along just fine. But its Jones who is going to end up broke. Ok.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
you act as if
athlete’s who are intelligent don’t go broke after making millions and millions of dollars.
i don’t hate, or even dislike jones one bit but athlete’s blowing their money instead of investing it is such a common problem. and this is exactly how it starts.
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
ITs in the context of other fighters, how many fighters do you know who have had Allen Iverson-type “Dear God im flat broke” money problems? And thus why would Jones, who has more future earning potential then anyone in the sport, be the first? Is there absolutely any concrete reason to thing he will stumble where so many before him havent? Its people projecting their irrational hatred onto the guy.
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
alot of fighters!!! enough that the ufc felt the need to hire a person to council their fighters to prevent it from happening. i have no hatred for him. but the amount of fighters football players boxers etc who end up broke is sickening. and its behavior like this that causes it.
my comment had absolutely nothing to do with a dislike for jon jones and everything to do with the way entirely too many athletes end up
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
Funny thing is
Is that “investing” is the safest thing to do with your money than to buy it on things that you want an able to purchase. You know how many fortunes were lost by “investing” Even athletes who end up blowing their money, usually blow it on BAD INVESTMENTS usually given to them by shady financial advisors.
milliondollardreams - February 19, 2012
that's very true
bad investments are a huge falling off point for athletes.
however, good investments are a game changer and will pay off for the rest of their lives.
Johnathan Willis - February 20, 2012
Rampage is one of the dumbest human beings on the planet?
The fuck? He’s clever as all hell. Don’t let the character he presents make you think he’s some bumbling idiot.
Charles Awad - February 19, 2012
The Bentley is a gift from one of his sponsors iirc
Jones hasn’t done anything flashy with his money that I can think of. I think he’s probably very business minded (which is probably why he comes off as fake, because everything he says is aimed to maximize his sponsorship opportunities).
I think a lot of MMA fighters will die broke, but I don’t think Jones will be one of them.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012 via mobile
ahhhh
well i stand corrected
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
actually i just googled it and he bought it
it wasn’t a gift. or so it says here
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
he says otherwise
in this MMA Junkie interview
I heard it was a sponsor, but the above quote makes me think it was a DFW gift for not taking that time off Jones’ was talking about.
I think Jones has a fine head on his shoulders, finance/business wise.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
good find
thanks for the info and the correction
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
no problem, glad I could contribute
even if its just pointing you to an interview
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
and i hope so
it really is sad to see people like tyson holyfield frazier etc end up broke.
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
Yeah, I think Holyfield is actually still fighting, sadly
Tyson was lucky enough he was such a personality that he makes money off of who he used to be. He’s living fine, but he definitely got screwed out of alot of money by his promoters.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
by some estimates tyson made and subsequently lost over 100 million dollars, incredibly sad.
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
Give the guy a break . . .
I’m not gunna lie, been a big Jon Jones fan since he fought Matt Hamill, so i’m a little biased towards him in the same way a lot of people are biased against him.
I do feel that he needs to be cut a little slack. We’re talking about a 24 year old man who just had arguably the best year a fighter has ever had in the UFC. Not only has he won every fight he has been in, he has pretty much dominated every fight he has been in. In fact he may not have even lost 1 single round, unless you count his last fight.
So surely a young guy getting a little too self-assured is understandable, right???
Plus, for what it is worth, I don’t think he compared himself to Ali in the way some have suggested it, what he was comparing was that LIKE ALI he has ultimate belief in himself, in the same way as most fighters do (or at least should!).
If you don’t like the guy, fair enough. Some people don’t like The Artist, doesn’t make it a bad film.
gizmonorth - February 19, 2012
In case anyone points it out, he did of course lose to Hamill.
I dunno you try and help the guy out then make yourself look like a dick.
gizmonorth - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Jones has big plans.
He sees himself, his story, and what he represents as something worthwhile, and good, and productive that can inspire others—that is what he’s trying to get across.
I fear he’s gonna turn into Kanye West if he succeeds, or will crumble if he doesn’t. Dude is walking a very, very sinuous path with his life.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
This
warren305 - February 19, 2012
What do you mean on Kanye West?
I m not into his life story…
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Kanye is a very egotistical, extremely talented, but ultimately troubled musician.
Jon’s life lends itself to his kinds of fuckups, I’m afraid.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Yes its quite dangerous
to make this even more and kinda starting to see himself as a prophet or so.. that is one dangerous thing.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Comparing Jones to Kanye West isn't fair
From everything I’ve heard about Jones he has been very good to fans. Kanye West is an egotistical asshole and is proud of it.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
I'm talking about the drawbacks of cultivating fan animosity.
I am thoroughly convinced that everything Jones says comes from a positive place, for all it’s worth.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
That's the reason why I have not such a problem with Jones
It feels to me that he comes from good intentions, still annoys me occasionally
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I get it.
But Jon is really taking on a big risk with the things he says, dumb as they may be. It is patently obvious.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
he cares about his fans?
??
szanpan - February 19, 2012
With the press conference and this little diddy Rashad 2 Jones 0
Owned both times the mockery at the press conference was golden and he shut Jones up at the end. Rampage clowned Jones good but that was just classic Rampage he does that to everyone but I truly believe Rashad is in Jones head already they had a personal relationship Rashad knows Jones better than any of his past opponents. Keep it up Rashad making a fan outta me lol
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Well
When the fight rolls around how much does that count for?
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Am I the only one who thinks,
that Rashad’s 4th grad mocking routine makes him look bad and not Jones
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I am with you on that. Rashad comes off as so childish and insecure all the time.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
There are two more of you by my count.
3 total
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Rashad showed up to antagonize Jon and school him.
And he did. he doesn’t sound all the more mature for it, though. Still, he showed he’s more mature than Bones.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I don´t see how Jones got schooled here
jones just had a different approach, he focused on himself and what he is going to do, while Rashad was in attack mode, all in all it was a good back and forth and very interesting
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I love how the same ppl who say Jones needs to grow up, say Rashad schooled him with some smack talk… Hmm i wounder who needs to grow up
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Jones.
B/c he fell right into Rashad’s troll hands.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
How? He did not stoop to Rashad’s level and go back and forth with stupid corny smack talk.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
YES HE DID.
Paraphrasing…
“The only negative force in this room is Rashad.”
Which translates to: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! NO U!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i like potatoes!
F'n Clownshoes - February 19, 2012
well rashad was negative
that’s what trash talking is, and Jones clearly held back, he even said he is trying not to get too involved in the pre fight shenanigans
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
Jones is not talking in a trashtalk context.
he’s talking in a personal, moral context, when he refers to Rashad as being a “negative person,” which for all we know may be correct, but the simple fact of it is that his retorts are not well thought out when he starts playing Rashad’s game, who then proceeds to shut him up bad later in the video.
The lesson is simple: Don’t feed the troll. And Jones did just that, much to Rashad’s giddiness.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I love how much BS is projected into Jone’s statements. He is just pointing out he does not want to get involved in the trash talk, and that if you are paying attention it is all coming from Rashad.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
It's coming from both places.
This wasn’t a Rashadian monologue.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
excuse me
it’s Rashadonian. commence.
F'n Clownshoes - February 19, 2012
Yeah, and when Jones was talking he was not trash talking about Rashad.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Rashad fed from everthing jones said
it wouldn’t have mattered if Jones hadn’t reacted to anything Rashad spouted out, Rashad was out to get him and I don’t think he was doing it from a calculated getting under Jones skin standpoint. Rashad reeks of jealousy
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
Jones just isn’t a good speaker period. His interviews are painful and his commentary on Fox was awful. Rashad is always gonna beat him in a war of words. Jones has a poorly manufactured persona and Greg Jackson isn’t helping either. He’s an amazing fighter and still has a big upside, but he hurts is brand whenever he opens his mouth…
Fletch_Lives - February 19, 2012
But but but....
he is SOOO intelligent yet he can’t put a coherent sentence together while speaking publicly.
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Lots of people are like that though
No reason to fault a man’s intelligence if he’s not good at speaking extemporaneously
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012 via mobile
He is by far the worst
on the UFC roster at at interviews this includes many fighters who don’t even speak english and him on FOX was a disgrace. Nick Diaz is better on the mic than Jones.
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Yup absolutely
.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
He just isn't verbally confrontational.
I remember having had to learn to become one; but Jon isn’t like that, so people shouldn’t criticize him for it. Some folk just aren’t wired to spew shit on cue.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
thats how it is
I said I agree to Nick Diaz being better which makes it even stranger given the fact how much Diaz hates saying anything in the mike :D
szanpan - February 19, 2012
The thing is that Diaz can talk for hours, if it comes to that.
He’ll make very little sense most of the time, but he’ll find a way to bash you, your lack of technicality, plug in Cesar Gracie, Gilbert melendez, his little brother whom he loves, his love for the Deftones, pride rules, how he hates people elbowing on the ground b/c it is weak shit, and how triathlons are awesome b/c you exccersise your whole body.
Jon will just say “Um.” It’s just how the guy is wired.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Yes absolutely
the thing is that Nick Diaz is VERY hard to listen to. In 6 minutes he can talk as much as others do in about 20 and I really do need to concentrate on all he says because it s very quick and yes, as you say sometimes loses his sense or completely changes direction, But apart from this, he is entertaining really :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Diaz is easily one of the most quotable guys in the sport
Bloody L - February 19, 2012
indeed !!!!!
i do love many of his quotes myself as you can see ..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
the bad thing is
that considering the genuinity of Diaz and what he says. There is zero of it in Jones. Can you quote anything important or worth remembering what he said? Something REALLY genuine?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Alright, this has always confused the hell out of me:
How the fuck do you guys know what is “genuine” for Jon Jones? Do you somehow know what he really thinks about everything, so that you can tell when he’s making it up?
What if he really believes what he’s saying, and you just don’t like it?
Crackity Bones - February 19, 2012
In this video
He clearly says things that are flat out untrue and even he doesn’t appear to believe half of the things he says.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
what was flat out untrue?
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
i was just referring to the fact that Nick Diaz
has about a 100 genuine quotes. which means stuff noone ever has said before him. can you quote me a real genuine Jones now? on which i can know it must be him noone else ? Something entirely genuine ? Because i cant and with a reason.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
So, to be genuine
you have to be original? Most of us are pretty screwed, then, there’s been a lot of people, and they’ve said a lot of things.
Crackity Bones - February 19, 2012
He talks about being poor, than admits he has a Bentley.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
You are right on what he said exactly, I thought he was meaning came from being poor and mis spoke but I could be wrong
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
that's how I know you are a hater
Jones might not be a savant, but he is not rmotely as bad as you make him out to be
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is a clusterfuck of idealism and mediahype it is scary.
But I am, somehow, more receptive to him than I was before, even if I agree with Rashad more.
But at the very least, Jones is trying. I’m just ware of what he will become in the event that he gets schooled at some point.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
"My storyline is so much bigger than this fight"
Jones would be perfect, but he is just way too modest and humble.
MarcGua - February 19, 2012
Drop in the bucket.
That is so perfect Jones comparing himself to Ali? really child please. MMA is such a young sport there is a kid training right now that will make Jones look how he made Machida/Shogun/Ramapge look he acts as if he is the first person to ever do this. Nothing new under the sun.
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
His dreams are getting the best of his brain.
If Rashad schools him, yeah, I know, he will crumble bad.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I would love for a Rashad win.
even if it doesn’t happen this is only the 2nd video I have seen of Rashad owning Jones and the fight is 3 months away can’t wait for all the press conferences and media for this fight.
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Rashad is a man (at times a very mean spirited one) and Jon is a boy.
The fight will most likely look the exact opposite, but so it goes.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yes i dont see Rashad winning this fight
but then who knows
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Agreed.
Weirder things have happened, but yeah, rashad is setting himself up to getting completely gutted.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Yup
But he s no stupid guy either.. he is pretty smart in his predictions as i have seen it.. he s basically saying Jones will lose sooner or later and not hard on the topic whether this lose will be by him or others. At least how i understood
PS. It really kills me that every bloody time someone comments the whole stuff i m reading goes to that place and i have to search again and again every minute where i was !!!!
szanpan - February 19, 2012
use the z button to scroll through comments
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
Use ctrl+f
to look for the phrase, or word, you were reading. It’s easier.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
thank you guys
i keep trying
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Most of the neagativity that I have read in this comment section seem to stem from 2 things:
first: genuine hatred for JJ for obliterating fan favourites and former Pride greats.
second: see above
voiceinthedesert - February 19, 2012
oh!
and he drives a Bentley…
voiceinthedesert - February 19, 2012
Not at all.
People complain because he comes across as an ass. He even admits it that he is fine with being called arrogant.
Dude may well be the best fighter on the planet but he’s an ass. Not the bad kind, just the full-of-himself kind…as he will tell you himself.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
You guys cream yourselves when Ronda spews the same nonsensical, egotistical, drivel that Jones does. Now everyone wants to come down on Jones. At least be consistent. This double-standard is ridiculous.
BVandDietPepsi - February 19, 2012
Who is Ronda?
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Someone that hundreds of neckbeards are about to stand up for.
BVandDietPepsi - February 19, 2012
Oh female MMA
meh
nickrodamous - February 19, 2012
Except that Ronda doesn't sound like that at all.
She sounds like a female Chael Sonnen, and when asked she always goes “But it’s all bullshit to sell tickets.”
Big difference.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Ugh. No she doesn't.
When Jones was talking about “how I believe I’m the best that ever was, I’m the best-looking, I’m the funniest…”, really? You didn’t hear her in that at all? Really?
Like I said, double-standard because she has a vagina. Some people just can’t get past that.
BVandDietPepsi - February 19, 2012
I disagree with you.
Ronda says shit to garner attention, as she will tel you, but Jon believes it and has no qualms about telling you.
I could care less about whatever both say, but Jon worries me. he’s setting himself up to fail real hard on the long run.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
most people don't like ronda because of her motor mouth cockness with no fun in it at all
i guess bloodyelbow has a different view of ronda than mmamania
In Rainbows - February 19, 2012
Well, one is full of awesome people who realize that cats are better than dogs, and the other is MMA Mania.
MicahtheCynic - February 20, 2012
Cats are not better than Dogs
I sir, will have nothing to do with this Mixed Marshal Arts Mania that you are talking about.
Andy Anderson - February 20, 2012
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
Except most of the time Rousey isn't trying to create a pro wrestling atmosphere like Sonnen
She’s just brutally honest because she understands the business of MMA in a way that makes other female fighters uncomfortable.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
ding! Ding!
voiceinthedesert - February 19, 2012
i seriously dislike her
i really wanted to see her being owned by Cyborg… now she has a big mouth that that fight would not happen. I really dislike her style and all. but she is blonde and many men love blond women so… it is what it is..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
she's hideous
and I agree, funny how she talks all this shit now that the fight can’t be made
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
yeah funny its not that transparent to others
who AGAIN do like blonde chicks fightin or being brassy and stuff LOL :D
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I think a big difference here is that nobody believes that Ronda actually believes it is anything more than hype to build herself up.
Empty Thoughts - February 19, 2012
About time somebody says it
War Rashad
JJ’s basically a wrestler with an abnormally long reach
Rashad should use his quick in and out abilities and stuff takedowns, there is the win.
Elitex10x - February 19, 2012
Eesh
Don’t quit your day job for MMA coaching
halitosis - February 19, 2012
Oh, I LOVE these guys.
Two words for the reach argument: Stefan Struve.
duck - February 19, 2012
Jones haters better take notes
Jones probably knows more about the pyschology of acheivment then anyone in the UFC except GSP. Btw, JOnes wasn’t neccessarily comparing himslef to Ali. He was simply pointing out that he is proud to adhere to the same philosophy that Ali practicied. You know what they say,..imitation is the highest form of flattery.
The idea that rashad go the better of jones here?? i dont get it. let me point to you jones exhibit 1.End of the first video. Rashad: " I hope you never fall"
Jones" You hope I never fall? You’re fighting me in April"
Shad is so green with envy he doesn’t even know wtf he is saying.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
Rashad is talking on a different context.
And he’s right, b/c Jon is setting himself up to being crushed once he fails to meet the expectations.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Shad doesn’t know wtf he is talking about. Isn’t it obvious that Jones is on another level when it comes to the psychology of success? Jones has developed habbits of success in all areas of his life. One defeat wont derail that. You and shad underestimate the power of Jones’ winning habbits that he has developed over his life.
People who have high levels of self belief fail all the time. They just get up and succeed more frequently than most of us.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
Ugh, nope.
Tiger Woods did the same, and look at him now. That’s what Rashad meant.
Jon will succumb to the pussy train. Then he will be fucked.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
At least he not married to the mother of his kids
Like a good Christian. ;)
Tiger also wasn’t going around pretending to be a saint.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
While this is neither here nor there
I thought Tiger was essentially selling himself as the heterosexual man with a traditional nuclear family to the public (and his sponsors), and that’s why his stock fell so hard when he was found to be a philanderer and a womanizer…
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
He was
And he wasn’t.
It was implied in his ‘wholesome’ image.
Jones literally say these things out loud.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
To be fair
His stock fell so low because he started losing, and he stopped winning. yeah, his brand took a hit when it came out that his wooden and laconic act was off and he was a philandering jerk. But everyone would have forgiven him or at least forgotten if he won a few majors in classic form.
DankNabbot - February 20, 2012
May I refer you to the sin of King David
You know, the one that is a VERY important biblical figure?
halitosis - February 19, 2012
I know who he is
but not what you’re referring to.
Did he forsake his beliefs and get punished for it or something?
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
You realize
Kind David didn’t get to build his temple to God because of he had one of his soldiers murdered? David had him murdered to hide the fact that he impregnated the soldier’s wife.
David is redeemed through his love for God, not because of his holy adherence to the Law.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
*King david
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
It was Uriah he sent to the front lines while he was porking Bethsheba , is that who you are refferring to? Have you heard the song “Dead” by the Pixies?
You’’d like it.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
I’m pleasantly surprised someone got the reference so quickly.
I’ll have to look the song up. Thanks for the recommendation
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
The sports are too diferent to really make that leap. Tiger battles a field of 60+ top pros everyweekend. Jones fights one man every 3 or 4 months. Personal desires might lead to some less than stellar performances but Jones knows how to approach a fight and that wont change.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
Tiger's whole image was built on being a wholesome family guy with beautiful kids and a hot model-wife.
Look at his stock now.
The difference is that Jon is outwardly saying he wants to be marketable, and a role model, and this and that.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
This whole arguement you’re making is based on the idea that Jones’s success is predicated on this image. IMO that is a mistaken concept. His marketability and success are based on what he does in the cage. JOnes and his contemporaries will never be the iconic level of a Tiger Woods. As such he will never reach that level of scrutiny where billions of dollars rest on his reputation. As long as his performances dont suffer I just can’t see how getting tail on the side is going to result in some downfall. Besides, Jones is smart enough to be discreet IF he ever indulges.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
WHAT?
Did you not understand anything about the pussy train?
His performances will suffer.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Jones represents that holy transition of MMA into being a WW recognised sport
and Jones as i can see is exactly the type who wants to be in the limelight as a personality to be one new face of the MMA on Fox, a sport which is not just about fighting do you see what i mean?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I don't think he does...
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
no no but he WANTS to
you get what i mean?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
for him its IMPORTANT
how he acts outside the cage,. what he wears what he says and so on. Jones is clearly not a Chuck Liddel type of fighter but back then UFC was different and wholly about fighting.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
i m not sure i can express what i want to say here
LOL
szanpan - February 19, 2012
You express it, and I'll keep the banhammer ready in case it's too much...
…relax, banhammers don’t hurt much…
Scott C. Broussard - February 19, 2012
Totally.
Jon’s whole ‘story’ is about who he is and what he represents. That is what he’s talking about.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
so yes i mean in this context he is the Tiger Woods of MMA
right now. Because noone wants this more than him to be so.. might be, he wishes later things dont happen this way, but its his way and ours is to see ( and discuss) what s going on later :) and thanks SCB really appreciate
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I do. But you guys are putting the cart before the horse. Jones hasn’t cheated to our knowledge. Why do you guys assume that Jones is more likley to have this negative fate than the hundreds or thousands of other pro athletes with lucrative endorsements?
He might suffer some fall form grace due to his dick but he has suck great winning habbits that I dont think it will effect what he does in the cage.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
No
His whole image was being a cold blooded golf robot who won a shitload of majors. Which is why his brand tanked. No one would give a shit about all that if he put together another season like 1999 or 2000. At all.
DankNabbot - February 20, 2012
BTW,Your statement about Tiger pre supposes that Tiger and Jones have the same attitudes and habbits that correlate to success. I’m not willing to make that concession. I think Jones enjoys more peace of mind and true confidence with regards to expecting postive outcomes in life
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
His attitude doesn't matter.
The pussy train, and your dick, doesn’t give a shit about how successful you are.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
what do the pussy train and my dick care about then?
huh?
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
Its a codependancy thing
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Moar pussy.
D’uh!
the train provides the ride. You provide the tap.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
most diabolical from the sounds of it is this pussy character, joe.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
The gnarliest part is that...it is NOT.
It just is.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
you said the pussy train will lead to some sort of collapse in his performance. am i understanding oyu correctly? if so, i’m saying that his attitude and habbits of success wont allow that to happen.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
You don't understand how the pussy train works, then, my friends.
You’d do well to listen to the words of Mickey, Rocky’s famous trainer, regarding the subject.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
what did mick have to say about it?
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
“Women weaken legs!”
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
true!
no wonder fighters are not allowed to have sex many weeks before a fight. So i think its kinda hard to be a fighters wife or gf :D
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Until after the fight
Then its open season. ;)
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Hence why the argument reverts back to that unholy train that destroys male athlete's careers.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yup, that may start long before
fighters even get back home :D well 2-3 months lack … it is what it is
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I'm pretty sure that has been debunked
I’m pretty sure smashing a couple hours before a fight isn’t a good way to warm up, but there are cases where having lots of sex increases an athletes performance.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
Its been 'debunked'
But many guys swear by it. And everyone is different.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Whatever works for someone
If someone is generally happier when having sex on a regular basis and isn’t distracted by it, itcould be productive. Keep you in a positive mood while training really hard.
On the other hand, you can get distracted by female attention and not focus as hard on training.
It could go either way.
discoandherpes - February 19, 2012
he does have skinny legs and all.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
What I dont understand is how a smart person like you can look at how jones handles himself and come to the conclusion that he is “setting himself up to be crushed once he fails to met expectations” Jones is focused on himslef and his habbits. Shad and other are obsesing over Jones and his perceived shortcommings. Jones has very clear goals and objectives which he measures regulalry and you still think Jones is the one who is setting himself up for problems?
I’ve been in sales of financial products for nearly 20 years and have read a fair amount about the psychology of acheivement and I know which of the 2 fighters on that stage has a contsructive attitude , which person is focused on the things that they can control , and which person has clear positive expectations regarding their future and which person does not. These habbit of success dont mean that a failure brings demise it means you are more likely to see opportunity in failure.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
What I took that mean
Is the ‘holier-than-thou’ act is setting him up to be exposed as a hypocrite.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
yeah i feel that. but, i didn’t really get much holier than thou in this interview.
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
Are you
or do you currently use a life coach? Give or go to seminars? Just guessing.
BTW its habits. When the little red lines are under the word it means it’s spelled wrong or a name. Sorry about that it’s just you’ve done it a lot in this thread.
DankNabbot - February 20, 2012
you are not a fortune teller
so let’s wait and see, jones has to lose his first bout yet, however he will come out will be very interesting
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
This is ludicrous. Psychology of achievement? Is that a chapter in The Secret?
Jones comes off like someone who has been told a lot of things. I love watching Jones fight, don’t particularly care about any of his out of the cage beliefs or activities, but he talks and walks like every single other person who found fame and fortune all of a sudden. Hell, I don’t believe half the shit I did when I was twenty four and I’m only twenty six.
Rundownloser - February 19, 2012
Jones is phenomenal
but his best wins are Bader, old Shogun (yeah he’s 29 but he might as well be 40) and 34 year old Machida/Rampage . I’ll hold off on calling him the next Anderson Silva until he starts beating top contenders that aren’t legends past their prime.
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
Ye olde "everyone sucks" argument
joker24 - February 19, 2012
I didn’t say anyone sucks, all the guys he beat are legends like I said. The fact is that they are all past their prime and heading towards the tail end of their careers. Jones just compared himself to Ali and I see no problem with pointing out the fact that he has made his name off of beating guys that have been a ton of wars throughout their careers and that has obviously taken it’s toll on their bodies.
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
and you said something about holding off on calling him "the next anderson silva"...
seeing as anderson silva has only fought TOP contenders IN their prime…. chris leben, james irvin, thales leites, travis lutter, patrick cote…..
mctapout - February 19, 2012
Seriously,
Jones beat the best of the best.
warren305 - February 19, 2012
If you want to play that game
Jones has beat such destroyers as….Parker Porter, Moyses Gabin, Andre Gusmao, Stephan Bonnar, and Jake O’brien.
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
just saying....
your argument that jones hasn’t fought the best is ludicrous. silva defending his title against leites, then jumping to light heavy to fight irvin….would be like jones defending his title against thiago silva then jumping to heavyweight and fighting pat barry.
jones has fought very good fighters. think of the names he has beat, and he’s 24 years old! get off him
mctapout - February 19, 2012
Since when is Machida past his prime? Wha?
Hutchy - February 19, 2012
according to many strangely
anyone who loses one fight suddenly becomes " Past his prime".. no good
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Might have jumped the gun on Machida, but he hasn’t looked as unstoppable as he used to since he clobbered Silva and Rashad. I would never write someone off as past their prime after one loss, but looking at Shogun and Rampage in 2012, can you honestly say those guys aren’t looking as good as they used to?
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
are, not aren’t.
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
there is noone in the fighting world
that hasnt lose a fight. If there is, they will do sooner or later. but its very rare all in all. Many have made multiple great comebacks This doesnt guarantee that they are past their prime of course its bullshit if you may excuse me. And what you know about Machida for Gods sake he hasnt even fought ever since!!! By the way he walks or what?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
what about fedor? he never lost.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
yes and it went straight into his head
sometimes not losing Fs up a fighter a lot more than losing a couple of fights.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
SZANPAN-DID YOU JUST SAY THE 'F' INITIAL?
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
This is the funniest comment I've read all day
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
very nice!
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
Fusses up :D
is this ok with ya? :D:D is there any word like this in this context?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
yeah, 'cause Shogun looked HORRIBLE against Hendo...
duck - February 19, 2012
AK, I actually kinda agree but follow that up
Who is in the pipe? He looks good for the foreseeable future if he gets by Evans.
DankNabbot - February 20, 2012
LOL?
Im not a Jones fan, but, the one thing you have to give him is that he beat the best in the world in his weight class.
ChuteLegend - February 19, 2012
I’ll definitely give him that and I wasn’t trying to take away anything from the fighters I mentioned. I’m just not jumping on the “Jones is the greatest fighter ever” bandwagon, that is incredibly premature to say that.
Ak.Death - February 19, 2012
I don't think anyone in their right mind is calling Jones the greatest fighter ever now
But he’s clearly on the path you have to be on if you want to get called that.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Absolutely.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
he will be dethroned...
its up to him whether he will do it amongst hatred or love i think the latter is definitely better. And on dethroned i mean also the first loss… if he has so many haters , its no good for him really.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Kinda like Kanye.
He does something stpid and people swarm for him all over the interwebs and so he isolates himself more. It’s really sad.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i have a feeling
that what alot of what rashad says is true, but that unfortunately jon will win and still ride his own selfrighteous ego.
jappanese - February 19, 2012
To the cliff.
I can easily see him fucking up his life the same way talented athletes fuck theirs:
Cheating on their highschool sweethearts, now wife, getting divorced and taken up for millions, having to fight custody for the kids, etc.
I don’t give a shit if he’s a self righteous guy, a humble guy, or whatever, the pussy train waits for no one, and Jon fits the profile to a T. He’ll take a ride on it, and then he will be fucked…
Gaaad, I hope not…
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is the... Tiger Woods of MMA, Joe?
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
Lots of NFL players and basketball players end up fucked after a ride on the pussy train.
Jon will get his, too. His girl is cute, but he’ll get blindsided by all kinds of quality tail, and he’ll feel compelled to tap it.
Thus the tragedy will start.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Yeap
warren305 - February 19, 2012
I mean, the writing's on the wall, already.
Why hasn’t anyone mentioned this before?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i dont think he s not into it already
i mean it just comes with the fact that he s barely at home at all, all those media stuff and parties are so dangerous really for any and everyone
szanpan - February 19, 2012
But Jonny has kids.
It will be awful.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
hold on
not every women realise what their men is doing and not every women cares about it that much…. of course there are things we dont know about and may they have a peaceful family life and all. The bad thing is, that the world of SHOW is the evil against family life we all know this. Many end up this way day by day
szanpan - February 19, 2012
A scorned woman may well just fuck with her athlete ex-husband's money, if she can.
Divorce under those circumstances almost always nets the woman a bunch of money, and custody of the children, too. There’s a lot of precedent when it comes to athletes.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yup thats true
szanpan - February 19, 2012
holy shit this is getting out of hand
now we are at, how jon jone’s “inevitable” future train wreck career will effect his children. Let’s hit the breaks, this discussion has offically jumped the shark
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
And yes. Most women end up finding out eventually.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
only if its their business to do so LOL
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Exactly
You don’t wanna know somethings.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Yes, but when they pile on and on, some women just have enough.
And then fuck their ex husbands’ up some where it hurts them the most: their wallets and their kids.
Years of slow burn humiliation does that to people.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
and dont get me wrong
might be he is the best family guy in the world and he really does love his wife.
I just see he was talking about holidays back home.. and from then on i see him being on shows or elsewhere almost every day. This is dangerous for family life seriously
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Not everyone can recognize patterns
warren305 - February 19, 2012
His wife will understand that his god given need to sleigh the pink is more important than her own vain desire of fidelity
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
You really know women.Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
YOU MEAN SLAY?
or his he going to like, board the pussy train, then take a sleigh ride to the pussy igloo or something? please elaborate.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
He knows about women. You don't.Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Didn't you learn your lesson about the sarcasm font after your last run in with Richard Wade
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
You be quiet!!!!!!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yes, i meant slay. thank you. Lot’s of women with dominant husbands put up with serial cheating. Is that really news to you guys?
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
That you didn't even think about divorce is news to me.
But I guess Mr. Jones can’t possibly do something that dumb and get taken for all his worth, right?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
jones isn't married, so he has no contractual obligation to be faithful to the mother oh his children.
Pretty smart move to stay single, and recognize he will have many more moments of weakness.
Snatchl - February 19, 2012
wow you got the point!
szanpan - February 19, 2012
You can bet your ass he will end up getting married.
He’s the religious family guy type.
I guaran-fucking-tee you that he will.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Hasn't happened yet
Which makes me think he doesn’t want to lose half one day.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Agreed
Anyone who sees Jones as a phoney shouldn’t be so convinced by his alter boy persona.
Not to mention that people are great at compartmenalizing, and ignoring their own hypocrisy, particularly at 24.
Snatchl - February 19, 2012
Yeah, I say he seems more awkward than anything else
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
This is how I get through life.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
LOLLLLL
hehe
szanpan - February 19, 2012
so religious he had three kids out of wedlock
I’d be surprised if Bones doesn’t have an iron clad pre-nup by the time he does decide to make an honorable woman out of the mother to his child.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
This
Snatchl - February 19, 2012
So religious he will tie the know eventually.
She’s been his fiancee for how long? A loong time. She’s got his kids now, that’s for life. And Jon is the son of a preacher—it’s in his family’s makeup.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
*tie the knot*
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I hear you, but I'm giving Bones credit for a pre nup if he gets married.
Having kids with someone is already a forever thing, the rest is window dressing.
Snatchl - February 19, 2012
I'm talking mostly about his kids.
When a union, marriage or whatever, goes belly up, the clusterfuck about who gets what, especially the kids, is what ends up fucking things up.
Now, a young and handsome guy like him, successful at what he does, almost always away from home, and carrying kids already while trying not to take a ride on the pussy train is a recipe for disaster.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Fiance or not, it is a major sin to have sex out of wedlock in Christianity. To keep on doing it- epitomizes cafeteria Christianity.
Kids are for life, but I know lots of people that had babies together and never got married. Being the son of a preacher doesn’t mean anything, to be honest. There are plenty of children that rebel against their parents. Having three children out of wedlock (when your father is a preacher! and you probably attend his congregation) and becoming a cage fighter to support your growing unconventional family is a pretty far cry from how “the son of a preacher” should act.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
It is kind of funny how much he mentions his love for Jesus, and the Christian god
and then actively does things considered a big no- no in that religion.
ElliotMatheny - February 19, 2012
Its funnier that the media potrays him as such
and fans eat it up, even when shown evidence to the contrary. Its pretty obvious if you point to his actions instead of his words, he is demonstrably not a good Christian.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
I'd say he is.
At least value-wise.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
your values are reflected in your actions
not your words.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
He's not fucking with people's lives, is he?
So far, from what I see, he is a self centered good christian. He’s inocuous, so far.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
The standard you are applying to him means he's a good person
not a good Christian. And there is alot more to being a good Christian than being a good person.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
thats deep bro.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
I once found a PhD dissertation in my college library...
…that proved pro boxing was a mortal sin because its purpose was to inflict bodily harm.
Scott C. Broussard - February 19, 2012
YEAH!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
No he cant get taken for all he is worth. Talking about this is really bazzar given that nothing like this has happened with Jones, wouldn’t you agree?
Hardy's in your face - February 19, 2012
damn, una-youve given this alot of thought.
ALL ABOARD-CHOO
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
I honestly thought
That was the hidden context of the conversation.
I’m pretty sure Jones thought that, too.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Yep
That’s exactly what Rashad was talking about when he said that he’ll get exposed or whatever word he used.
Jones is playing the saint role while going out and running through random broads like he’s eating dim sum. I’m about 1000% sure he is. He basically admitted it in the video(from the way I interrupted it).
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Where do you guys get this stuff?? He said multiple times he is not a saint and is not perfect, just that he tries to do good. It is interesting to see how everyone tries to twist what Jones does and says into something negative.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
He is definitely playing both sides of the fence
While claiming to hold supreme ideology that he himself doesn’t adhere by.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
IDK if you are religious or know much about it, but part of it is holding a supreme ideology that you will NEVER be able to live up to, only that you will try.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Maybe marrying the mother of his 3 kids would be a good start then
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
No. the “mistake” of pre marital sex does not mean he is supposed to “fix” it by marrying someone he does not love… Ppl on this thread have made pre marital sex to be a way bigger deal to Christians than it really is.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
I guess the issue with pre marital sex is right next to divorce and contraception, then.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I am obviously not speaking for all christian religions, but divorce is not a big deal anymore, and although the Catholic church is against contraception 90 some percent of its followers are not against them.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Well what rules should be followed
and which shouldn’t, since we can can just wrote off whatever sins we choose now.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Yep. Basically this.
I mean, laying with another d00d is just as an abomination as eating shrimp. How can you tell which is worse?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
The rules YOU believe in.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Ah
Then maybe people shouldn’t tell other what to believe in at all.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Did Jones do that? Also if you believe you are right in your beliefs shouldnt you want others to be right?
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
Think about what you just said
If a man can pick and choose what is important or not in the bible, then he should let other people pick their own beliefs to.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Why not?
The Roman’s picked and chose what would be included in the Bible.
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
Exactly
And they did that by only including what was favorable to them.
Why should anyone have to live by that set of beliefs?
If Jones has his own, different set of beliefs, that’s cool. But who cares?
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
That was a really sheisty move.
A bunch of middle easterners did all the legwork and then the Europeans showed up and said what was canon and what wasn’t.
That was a raw deal, bro.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
History is written by the winners.
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
That makes a lot of sad pandas.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I know, just think about how Charlie Sheen is going to report on the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
the pagans virtually all worshipping the desert dwellers' God though
I’d say the Semites did pretty well for themselves.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Semite is a very broad category.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yes it is
I was lumping Christians and Jews and Muslims together, as the worship the same God and all
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Well, the actual semitic peoples didn't do that well.
Just their beliefs.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
us jews have been pretty fucked over the millenia
benten20 - February 19, 2012
It depends on the kind of "jew."
Arab jews got fucked the worse, and n=let’s not even mention the other semitic folk like the Palestinians who still are not even recognized as a people even though the UN kinda does.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Yes i really do feel for Palestine
especially because its the case that may never be solved and this makes this whole thing even worse. But no, its my last mentioning of any stuff like that , I return to Diego with that cross ..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
lets not act like the history of the chosen people is a 5,000 year ass fucking
your people have had their bright spots too.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
My people?
I’m a clusterfuck of mixed people, including jews. I dun’git it.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Benton
I believe
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
yup
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
we are filthy gentiles, bretheren, not one of the chose people
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Whats Benton?
..?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Benton20 posts here
I believe he is a wanna be Sephardic Jew. :P
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Ahh
ok but i guess he is? hmmm i dont get it
szanpan - February 19, 2012
He's Jewish
if my memory serves correct.
Also the “filthy gentiles” thing was tongue in cheek.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Hey!
I’m kinda chosen people…a lil’ bit…
Though them sephardic don’t get much love, I hear…
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
oshkoshb'gosh jews ftw!
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
But only on background.
I wasn’t even aware save for a few years ago. And I’m not really into the jewish culture or whatever. Over here in Mexico there were a bunch of different instances where they basically just hid their jewness and stuff.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Chosen people?
like according to the Protocoles?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I'm using the phrase tongue in cheeck
the Jewish people are deemed to be God’s chosen people in the Torah… I’m just using a turn of phrase familiar to many Westerners… no offense intended.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
its ok
of course i know that
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I am gonna try and probably fail to make my point clear. If your beliefs are that for ppl to go to “heaven” that have to have the same faith, and another part of your beliefs is to care about others. Then you would want others to have that faith so they can go to heaven. All the while trying to respect their right to believe what they want…ugh
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
That's perfectly understandable.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I understand this bit.
Jones is not being negative, at all. or at least he doesn’t think he is.
He’s 100% genuine. Which, at least to me, is even more annoying.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
... cafeteria Christianity at its finest
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Exactly
Let’s pick and choose what beliefs are important!
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
How dare people CHOOSE what to believe in. Sorry religions do not fit the preception that the followers are mindless drones… We maybe getting to far away from MMA and into religion though
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
No worries.
The mods will BAN us if we stray too much.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
You don't get what I'm saying
I agree that we should all believe whatever we choose.
That said, then we clearly don’t need people saying what’s right for us.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Yes and no, I tried explaining above, but probably failed miserably.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
I gotcha
I just think preaching is wrong in general, especially if you’re not a devout follower yourself.
The bible even says “let a fool be a fool”.
One thing I don’t understand:
How anyone can decide that they should go around knocking on doors on Saturday morning to tell people about Jesus.
I watched them talk to my neighbor, who’s like 40, and ask if she knows about God, Jesus, sin etc.
How arrogant/crazy do you have to be to think you could live for 40 years in America of all places and never hear about God?
I’m always tempted to say “No. Tell me about this ‘Jesus’ character you speak of. Is he single?”
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
You have a good point, and a lot of religions, along with any group with an agenda try to shove their beliefs down ppls throats which is incredibly annoying.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
They aren’t really asking if a person has heard about God, Jesus, sin etc. They are asking if they ‘know’ about them. If they have them in their life basically and if they are interested in having them in their life.
That said, I’m always polite and tell these people to have a good day but I’m simply not interested. No reason to be rude unless they decide to be persistent.
Empty Thoughts - February 19, 2012
He lives with her
and is still with her, but doesn’t love her?
Even more Christian values than I thought.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Gets back to the whole thing of him stating he is not perfect, but still tries to do good.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
By not marrying the woman he loves?
Or by having children with a woman he doesn’t.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I can understand this.
The problem with Jones is that he is so heavy handed.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Exactly
If Tebow had a baby momma, everyone would tell him to STFU about Jesus.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I guess I just have not seen it as heavy handed, different perception I guess.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
jones just need to be in a war of attrition
i think it would humble him, it would be a learning experience and it would build his fanbase.
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
not saying he needs to lose
he just needs to get a hard fought win instead of being able to coast through folks
Johnathan Willis - February 19, 2012
...
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
who gives a shit ?
he can compare himself to whoever he wants, all i want is to see him fight consistently, simply put, its a real joy to see him do his thing.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
stop. stop. stop the video. pause. you guys are all crazy.
first thing, everybody pause the video. pause it right now.
second, let everything sink in. deep breaths. clear mind.
ok. now, remember that rashad evans is a grown man. an adult. talking like a jealous 14 year old who realizes he isn’t the best at tekken 4.
but it will all be irrelevant when jones wipes the floor with him in april. and you all know its true
mctapout - February 19, 2012
Jones wil wipe the floor with Rashad. Yes.
But he got schooled hard in the vid.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
everybody at 24
gets schooled at some point, by older, wiser people, its part of life, live and learn, i dont see anything out of ordinary here.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
Mr. mctapout, above, is the one making it up to be more than what it is.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i'm just stating what i heard...
that rashad came off in the interview as the one who was sounding dumb. that’s all.
mctapout - February 19, 2012
Yeah well Tekken 4 sucked.
All Tekken games post-Tekken 3 have been shithouse.
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
Of course he's mad
I’m the best at Tekken 4
…and 5
Full Mount - February 20, 2012
Oh I can't wait to come to BE
the day after Shad gets his ass kicked by Bones and listen to all the haters cry.
Cartman: Ohhh, the tears of unfathomable sadness, mmm, yummy yummy you guys!
attgnp - February 19, 2012
We all know Jones will most likely murderize Rashad.
What are you getting at?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I'm getting at the fact
that the bitching about Jones is going to be epic. Sort of like when he didn’t tuck Machida in after he put him to sleep.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
Bitching of what?
he is getting criticized for something that has nothing to do about how he fights? There’s no need to defend him, dude.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I'm not really defending him
I just find it funny that people bitch and moan about every little thing he does.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
He's probably the first breakout star athlete of this era of MMA.
Those that follow will likely do so in his model. That is a big deal. What he does, and in an odd way lending credence to the nonsense he says, matters.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
That is a poor argument to defend hating the guy. You perceive him as being arrogant and cocky when he has in my opinion done nothing to warrant that. I think it would be good for people to follow his model. Since when has being a quite, well spoken, well dressed, and phenominal athelete been a bad thing for the sport? Jones is the perfect guy to get MMA bigger.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
I'm not hating on him. Don't be silly.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
...
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
NO, no it doesn't...
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
After bones crushes shad…“he is a great fighter but his chin isn’t tested. Just wait until hendo. I hate him when he isn’t fighting!”
Afrotikiman - February 19, 2012 via mobile
Wait.
Jones is the favorite? I wasnt aware.
MarcGua - February 19, 2012
just thought of it, I am seriously disappointed no one has posted it so far
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
this pic
along with the Hendo in mid flight over Bisping picture have to be the greatest MMA photos of all time.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
a more appropriate image would be a circlejerk
because that’s what’s going to happen
like the thermonuclear circlejerk post-Condit/DIaz
but worse
so so so much worse
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
It will be beautiful
Afrotikiman - February 19, 2012 via mobile
I think that the fame
definitely got to his head. Idk Jon Jones personally, but a big ego is impossible to hide.
MaximumWatermelon - February 19, 2012
Just watched the video.
Nothing fake about Jones. In fact, his composure impressed me as he absolutely schooled Evans, who was merely trying to label him a “fraud” without any persuasive reasoning to support his slander. Jones is going to punish this chump and I cannot wait to see it.
Charlie Custer - February 19, 2012
i kinda agree, c.c.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
I agree. I read half the comments on my phone before getting to a computer and seeing the vids. It is very telling that 90% of the shit that Jones “said” was not in the video.
Rashad really comes of as an insecure 12 yr, and people say Jones needs to grow up.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
It's pretty sad
when people focus more on what someone says outside the cage then what they do in it.
Deadp001 - February 19, 2012
Kinda like Tyson? or Woods? or tebow? Or...
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
It was a sports show....
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
whatever it may be...
judging someone based off of 5 min clip is weak, its like people here act like they say the right stuff 24/7 and never slip up.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
Its really not
Its like people don’t like the holier than thou attitude.
I’m a HUGE Jones fan and think its lame.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Well not many people want a champion who’s full himself. He might be a better fighter than Rashad, but Rashad has never talked about his own hype.
MaximumWatermelon - February 19, 2012
if it was not important , how they act, behave or what they say..
there would be no need for promos, press conferences, interviews … but this would mean the MMA world would be much poorer and may be, that it would be non-existent ( especially on this level) or to a movie star or any sportsmen do you REALLY MEAN ITS NOT IMPORTANT HOW THEY ACT? Its the only thing what they have to sell themselves before and even after a fight. It is important!
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Is the whole video available?
dancingChicken - February 19, 2012
I’m going to sit back and enjoy the fight. All the other stuff is nonsense. The only debate after the fight will be whether we really need to see any more to call him #1 P4P and GOAT.
( . Y . ) - February 19, 2012
I disagree
Rashad at least needs one more fight after he beats jones before we start talking about GOAT status
MarcGua - February 19, 2012
But...
he won’t beat Jones.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I can see your point, but Shad will still be #1 P4P. We can wait on the GOAT talk for a month or so.
( . Y . ) - February 19, 2012
Umm, sorry that position is already filled.
Nick Ring is gonna take the mma world by storm.
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
A message from IKilled007:
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
Is he banned atm?
ElliotMatheny - February 19, 2012
Yes...he's on an indefinite time out...
Also, I just saw proof that SCMichaelson is NOT dead
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
But he has no recent activity - he contacted you directly?
Scott C. Broussard - February 19, 2012
No, you can see the same thing I saw tho
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
Please share
The world hungers for knowledge of BlackLesnar
ElliotMatheny - February 19, 2012
SPILL IT!
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Do many people really think that Jones will lose?
I mean, I can’t stand the guy, but he’s most assuredly going to dominate.
Scott C. Broussard - February 19, 2012
He most likely will.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I think Shad will give him a good fight, personally.
ElliotMatheny - February 19, 2012
i can see shad using the condit.....
style of stick and move using his speed, but once jones gets him in the clinch or on the mat, its over.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
But Jone's range is too good for Shad to rely on that as a gameplan.
Shads speed will be the key factor in making it an exciting fight, but I don’t see it being too threatening unless he really catches Jones. (Jones/Machida fight bias here) I’m very curious to see how Shad handles this. Will he go for takedowns and top control off catching a leg or just try to stick and move like you said. I just don’t see where he is going to pose a problem. Maybe focus on taking Jones legs out? How will Shad try to ruin Jons special night???
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
I think he said “nuts” but he meant “scrote.” Technically it’s probably difficult to get at the nuts without opening the bag, so to speak.
( . Y . ) - February 19, 2012
oh sad
what did he do to get banned?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
prolly just being the inflamatory asshole he normally is
he said that was his third SN anyway… he used to be Wrestling Uber Alles amongst other people apparently.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Overhand Left as well. And I think he's had a couple others
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
HE was W.U.A.?
I remember that poster.
ElliotMatheny - February 20, 2012
I've always liked Rashad as a fighter, even when he's outpointing fighters in a 'boring' way
Shows his intelligence in the cage. Jon Jones sounds like he’s trying to say he’s above human concerns almost, that he doesn’t feel the anger that other fighters feel, that other human beings feel, and like Rashad says, eventually everyone comes unstuck in some way-he will understand that one day. But you have to understand him-he’s unbeaten, people are telling him he’s the best Mixed martial artist that ever existed. He’s using this as a shield for the insecurities that all sportsmen face-fear of injury, of losing, of appearing weak-he’s intelligent enough to know that. Later on in life when he matures he’ll probably look back on this and laugh. I think this fight coming up will be better than most people think, even if it’s hard not to see jones winning.
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
I like both fighters, and this fight is great even without the whole friends turned enemies angle.
Snatchl - February 19, 2012
You guys didn't get the video I recorded where Rashad says Jones "elbows like a bitch"
Jones vs. Rashad is going to be a slaughter. Evans barely tagged Davis with any power shots from striking distance, imagine what he could do to Jones? Oh yeah, nothing.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
You seemed to have missed that Evans is a wrestler, brah.
He won’t be striking with a striker.
pornflake - February 19, 2012
I know it's a stupid comparison, but Jones has destroyed every single wrestler he's faced
Rashad is a class apart from Bader, Hamill, etc. I know but I think Jones’ MMA wrestling is off the charts good.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
there is a world of pain and
subs waiting for him, if he tries to wrestle jones.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
Evans has attempted 0 submissions in his UFC career
That’s messed up.
Jones could ruin his soul.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
'Will.'
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
word
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
Wait I thought Jones was only a wrestler
Who was going to get lit up on the feet by
ShogunRampageMachida. He’s just a Juco wrestler who is gonna get muscled around byGusmaoBonnarO’BrienHammilMatyushenkoBaderRashad again now?joker24 - February 19, 2012
Jones has a clear weakness
but much like Fedor he makes up for it. Jones has shitty footwork and on the feet his shots tend to have no power. Usually on tthe ground is where Jones does damage, so the true test for Jones will be if/when someone gets past his reach and starts to light him up. Machida tagged him a few times and he did not react that great to it, but came out in the second round and adjusted well to get the win.
Machida was amazing and no one thought he would be beat, but once people started to figure out his range he was getting beaten. Machida has only started to adapt his style and actually block shots instead of relying on getting away. Jones relies on running like hell or keeping his fingers in someones face to keep them away, but what happens when someone figures out how to get arounf that??
Riley_96 - February 19, 2012
Well yeah
I was just laughing at the notion that Rashad will just wrestle with Jones and be good since that’s all it’s gonna take.
And I had the fanpost that detailed the challenge that is Jones range. It’s not impossible since he really hasn’t refined his striking down nearly as well as Rogan would have us think live. But the combination of his otherworldly clinch wrestling putting everyone post-Hammil on their heels + his reach make for a very, very small sweet spot. You’ve gotta get inside the reach, but outside of clinch range. Machida had success by countering as Jones threw, which isn’t very easy for anyone……and also led directly to Machida getting dropped with the feint→superman hook.
joker24 - February 19, 2012
Well the trick is to land hard on him while getting past his reach. Jones looked shocked when Machida landed on him so based on that i don’t think getting hit by shad or Hendo will go over too well. This, of course, hinges on someone actually getting by the reach.
Riley_96 - February 19, 2012
Ahh yes, the "talk to the hand defense."
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
Focusing on one element of MMA in a different match agsinst a different opponent as well does nothing to predict the winner
Evans has shown he’s not afraid to just play a points battle, his timing in that fight was beautiful in terms of moving around and has jones shown he can take repeated strikes of a sufficiently hard level?
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
Evans will be at an 11 inch reach disadvantage
I don’t think Jones will even give him a chance to throw and land too many shots unless he lets him get on the inside.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
timing can beat reach reach advantage if applied right, and evans has more experience than jones in that aspect
Jones striking is great but his levels of precision aren’t anderson silva level
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
in other words
not as precise?
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
Who is?
Anderson’s precision is… really precise.
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
its mortally dangerous to try to play the point game with Jones imo
The safest way to fight him is to get him out of there as soon as possible- every second of the fight that goes on is another second he could choke you out or GnP you into next year
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Be interestin to see if you were to kick those thin legs enough times, would they just snap?
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
Or he'd catch your leg and then GNP you to a finish
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
HAHAHAHA
Since when does Rashad throw leg kicks?
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
He don't need to
He catches that shit
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
You know how some fighters always look graceful and composed in fight photos?
Phil Davis is the exact opposite of that. In an endearing way.
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
He's always glitching the f out. It's awesome.
Like trying to drop a cat into bath water, poses.
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
Is he trying to piss people off so that they watch his fights in hopes of him getting his face broken?
pornflake - February 19, 2012
Nah. Rashad trained with Jones, which means Jones learned nothing about Evans
And Evans only learned everything about Jones.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Exactly
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
lol
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
People already watch his fights. I think the Jones hate is very much an interweb phenomenon.
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
I love the guy, but understand the hate
He’s over the top in a lot of ways and its funny to listen to, but at a certain point, his shtick(which even he buys) is extremely unlikable to many people. Love that about him. He’s the ultimate unintentional heel.
And he chokes out champions while standing. I like that, too.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I kinda agree, at first he bugged me, then I realized he's a veritable monster in the cage and I made a conscious effort to ignore his other pecadillos.
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
Me too. I only focus on the Jones in the cage at this point.
Pecadillos sounds like a delicious salsa.
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
If he is.
He is a fantastic actor.
And, hey, if he is, he has a kickass British accent!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
If he uses that British accent during a fight... his striking defense will go to complete shit
And his wrestling will look atrocious.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Also, his hair will turn red and fall off at the sides.
pornflake - February 19, 2012
Shit! Good point...
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
THIS IS THE BEST POINT IN THIS THREAD. RECD!
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
he does the Nicki Minaj
Hey what is Jon Jones has multiple personalities too? Each one named differently LOL
szanpan - February 19, 2012
That's one of the funniest comments I have ever read on BE.
DX OX - February 20, 2012
Jon Jones is hell of a fighter but he is a douchebag
chavez_26 - February 19, 2012
I'm starting to come around on Jon Jones,
all this manufactured outrage over him is quite entertaining. You guys all made my day.
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
What ever happened to the fighter bashing policy?
Because this is some fighter bashing bullshit here. He’s just a cocky kid, GTFOver it… You all sound like a bunch of jealous school girls. It’s pathetic. Just sit back and enjoy the show. Shit.
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
man its what press conferences, pre fight interviews are all about
bashing , promoting, selling whatever. You cant blame ppl here for telling what they think. And noone called Jones any VERY bad names.. at least not yet LOL
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones beats heroes and does it in an unconventional way
That is an underlying reason and I’m confident of that.
People love Machida, Rampage, Shogun, hell even Bonnar. They don’t like it when their asses get brutally kicked by a guy who just started MMA.
Oh yeah and then his comments probably garner hate but I think the hate is irrational.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Seriously....
I love Machida, I even started drinking pee (not really), but I still don’t get the name calling. I guess being an asshole is contagious and I’m naturally immune because this fighter bashing is really starting to tick me off.
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
Okay, totally honest and off-topic
I read your username and it sounds like “Dan the mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmman”.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Cheers;)
It’s a play on words… A life time of hearing “Dan the Man” should be good for something…
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
You sound like a butt-clenched individual.
It is not pathetic to discuss what he’s talking about. Guess why?
B/c he’s talking about it on a public forum.
What do you prefer to read, then? I don’t think any of us, save for the crazier ones, are insulting him.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
absolutely agreed here
szanpan - February 19, 2012
That's bullshit...
Man you’re no better that the school moms that read people magazine. Your probably subscribe the star. It’s sensational bullshit and you’re the lead Engineer on the hate train to nowhere.
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
Now, now, those are uncalled for shenanigans, there.
No need for ad homines, big guy.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
*ad hominems*
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Seriously though… Aren’t we all grown men here? Because all this name calling and dogging on a fighter, who, we can all agree is outstanding a little immature? The dude gets more hate than Sonnan, SONNAN!! for crying out loud..
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
Explain it to me, then. How am I 'hating' him?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Explain it to me then. How was my observation a logical fallacy?
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
Because you piled on everyone who is criticizing Jon Jones words in the same category.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Walks like a duck...
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
Not the most observant of qualities, if that is what you are gonna base an argument on, but ok. Standards are standards.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Danthemmaman - February 19, 2012
And you.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
And how, exactly, do you know how I walk, hmmmm?
duck - February 19, 2012
dude
there are like 50 post on this page where you are ripping Jones in some way or another. If thats not hate then what is?
attgnp - February 19, 2012
he thinks Jones may fall prey to the pussy train
That’s the worst he says about Jones. How exactly is that hate?
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
just seems like there is a constant negative attitude toward him
And honestly the “pussy train” sounds like a great train to be on.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
Id lay down on the tracks for that train
Art_Wanderlei - February 19, 2012
So long as you're not hitched and preaching to the people.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
if it doesn't cut into his training time, or ruin his personal life,
he should do just fine. Those are two huge “ifs” though.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Jon Jones is in the position he is in for a reason. He is one fight away from clearing out one of the most competitive divisions in MMA. His mind set is the reason he wins fights. I like his interviews and the way he speaks. I can do without all the preachy God talk, but if it works for him Great.
kick_puncher - February 19, 2012
pretty much this.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
2 fights - hendo is out there too
feiwongfu - February 19, 2012
I think Jones
Comes off a little too calculated and not natural with the things he says. That’s where the fake stuff comes from. He recognizes and has been told by others that he is going to be the face of the sport. He’s making a real effort to be what an ideal representive of the sport should be but he’s trying to hard. I think he should loosen up but I respect where he is coming from and that he is doing what in his heart he believes to be best for the sport and his career.
The arrogant stuff people cry about is just stupid. Watch his first fight in the UFC at UFC 87. At that point he was just a 22 year old kid trying to make some money for his girlfriend and newborn baby. In that fight he doesn’t know how to throw a good spinning back fist but he didn’t give a damn, he went in there and threw spinning strikes with the confidence that they would land and the intentions of KOing his opponent. It’s the same confidence that when he fought for the world title that led him to throw a flying knee, head kick, and spinning back kick….. In the first 15 seconds of the fight against Shogun. Hate him all you want but if you can’t recognize why a great deal of his success comes from the fact that he goes into fights not hoping to win but knowing he will win then it’s your loss.
Dpez71 - February 19, 2012
Most of us here recognize that he may well be the best in the world right now.
Imagine in a couple of years. That has nothing to do with most of the criticism he gets.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I don't think a lot of MMA fans understand what arrogance is.
Jon Jones is confident or even cocky, but you have to be in order to be a high level professional fighter. You cannot be arrogant and get where he is. Jon Jones works hard and expects that he’ll win and that is the mindset he should have. It’s the same thing with Rashad when Rashad asked him if he thought he was going into the fight think he’d lose. If you’re going into a fight you’re supposed to think you can win and if you work your ass off then you should think you will win. The difference between confidence and arrogance is simple. When you’re confident you think your strengths can overcome your weaknesses, but if you’re arrogant you feel that you don’t have any weaknesses.
An arrogant fighter would think that he can just half ass it and still dominate. A recent example of this is Melvin Guillard vs. Joe Lauzon. I’m not saying Melvin didn’t work hard, but he thought there was no chance in hell that he’d lose to Joe. He was hopping around the cage with his hands down and got caught. When Jon Jones had Shogun severely hurt(before the finish) he still kept his hands up because he didn’t want to get countered by some wild homerun punch by Shogun. That isn’t something an “arrogant” fighter does.
Believing in the power of positive thinking or speaking things into existence does not make you arrogant.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
Overreaching and condescending Mr. HaterSlayer is in his argument, Joe.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
It's true in my eyes
Jon Jones gets flack that athletes in other sports would get a complete pass on. The stuff that he gets bashed on is the stuff that people wish LeBron would say or praise Kobe Bryant for saying. Hell, Eli got praised for backing up him saying he was an elite QB during the preseason. Jon Jones says he’s gonna be a champion in 2011 and MMA fans call him arrogant.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
Ok. Explain it to me, then.
What exactly am I “bashing” Jon Jones for?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I don't really pay attention to you that much
So I’ll go with my general assumption that he beat one of your favorite LHWs.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
My point was that the people who hate him for being "arrogant" are misusing the word
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
That would be really, really dumb.
But, hey, if you don’t want to build an argument you git a nice crutch right there.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
You asked me a question and I made an assumption
I read some of your other responses and it seems like you hate him because of his ambition and that is an even dumber reason.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
You seem quite fixated on the 'hate' part.
And you are completely mischaracterizing everything I wrote that you supposedly read.
Let’s leave it at that. Good luck to you.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
If Lebron acted like Jones
People would hate him even more.
They hate everything LBJ does because he seems so cocky, arrogant, privileged, out of touch etc.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I disagree
An athlete who is mainstream friendly, talks up God, and has a killer instinct would be eaten up by the media. Most of the flack that LeBron gets(which has only really started during the decision thing) is because he’s perceived as mentally weak. Guys like Kobe, Shaq, Favre, and others share many of those traits, but don’t really get much negative attention for it.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
Good points
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
If LeBron acted like Jones?????
Are you actually comparing the stuff that LeBron has done to anything that Jones has said in it’s level of arrogance?
joker24 - February 19, 2012
its*
joker24 - February 19, 2012
let it go man....
people are going to go after him as long as he keeps pulverizing his opponents, silva and GSP have their detractors too, its what happens when you get closer to GOAT status.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
Nope.
Him pulverizing his opponents is what keeps the devilmen away at night. if he suddenly started sucking, there’d be no reprieve.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I don't care about him reaching a high P4P ranking
awesome for him, his level of skill will force others to get better, i don’t like some of his dirty tactics in the cage. That’s why i don’t like him.
Riley_96 - February 19, 2012
Jones is going to wreck Rashad
but did Jones actually compare himself to Ali? I can’t watch the video right now.
If so, thats messed up cause they nothing alike.
Tats16 - February 19, 2012
On Ali
He basically said that Ali was saying he was the greatest before people considered him the greatest and he’s doing that too.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
But Jon misses the thought process that what Ali did was significant b/c of when he did it.
Not b/c of how he did it. Jones fails to understand Ali, I’m afraid.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Dude, you remember the time Mike Goldberg accompanied Jon Jones to court
When Jones defiantly said “Ain’t no Taliban ever called me n*gger”.
Clearly Jones is like Ali.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Remember when jones changed religion, lost his license and world title when he refused to go to (say) afganistan
That really moved me
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
Yeah originally he was a Muslim who went by the name of Fanof Yusuf Islam
Which translates to “Fan of Cat Stevens”, but after he was stripped of his world title and went to prison he decided to become simply Jon Jones.
SSreporters - February 19, 2012
Your argument obliterates mine.
I bow down in submission. Please don’t kill me…
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
LOLLLL
what this is all about ? :D crazy
szanpan - February 19, 2012
No actually he did not compare himself to Ali, he stated he is trying to have the same attitude as Ali.
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
I have the strongest
deepest, most passionate hate for jon jones it is not even funny. As a black man i admit i usually root for black fighters but i would sacrifice my balls for him to be brutally knocked the fuck out by anybody
standNbang - February 19, 2012
Reckon you're about to get HaterSlayed?
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
whats haterslayed
standNbang - February 19, 2012
when jon bones jones nut huggers try to convert the non believers of jon jones’s mma holiness to believers
Elitex10x - February 19, 2012
never!
i resect his talents but i cant stand the dude
standNbang - February 19, 2012
Dude, what??
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i hate jon jones
that is all
standNbang - February 19, 2012
But he's not a bad guy.
He just says crazy things.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
he thinks hes the third coming of christ
i would so so so so happy to see him humbled. i might be hatin but i cant help it
standNbang - February 19, 2012
I don't think it is him being the second coming, but rather his being full of himself.
Of what he perceives his responsibilities to be.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I agree
Its like he thinks he was was brought on this earth with some special purpose to fill. He is on some ridiculously high horse and I will a happy man the day he gets knocked the fuck off it
standNbang - February 19, 2012
ok that was harsh
but i really wouldnt mind to see that
standNbang - February 19, 2012
I will just hate it to see his world view crushed and him becoming personally affected by it.
Nothing good ever comes from a guy saying “I want to be the best and inspire others. I am the best, I will not fail at this…”
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I think he needs that
He should realize hes not a prophet. He’s just a talented mma fighter
standNbang - February 19, 2012
It worked out for Ash
doesn’t know how the pokemon cartoon ended
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
It didn't.
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
What did happen?
So he never ended up being better than his brother?
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
I don't know,
I gave up after the Battle Frontier.
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
It turns out that in the first couple episodes when he got hit by lightning
He ended up in a coma and the entire series is playing out in his head.
discoandherpes - February 20, 2012
So it was all Pikachus fault?
NickRingp4pGOAT - February 21, 2012
Is it because he 'acts white'?
Cause I’m black, too and I’ve read9on this thread) that’s why black people don’t like him.
I called BS, so I’d be interested to hear why you don’t like him.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
i think he thinks hes jesus
not because he acts white
standNbang - February 19, 2012
Thank you
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
I dont get the "he thinks hes jesus thing"
so anybody who makes an attempt to say and do the right things thinks they are Jesus? I guess we should all just walk around acting like Diaz and be assholes instead so that way our good intenions wont piss people off.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
its not the fact that he wants to do the right thing
thats fine. What i meant by him thinking hes jesus is that he thinks hes perfection.
standNbang - February 19, 2012
I think you read him wrong
I don’t think he thinks he is perfection, I think he strives for perfection. Those are 2 veryy different things.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
i just see
such a superiority complex coming from him
standNbang - February 19, 2012
wheres psychoblack? we need some perspective on this shit.
gspmademegay - February 19, 2012
I call bullshit on you being Black.
And like Unabomberman said: It’s not like Jones took your money or stole your wife. You may not find his personality all too likeable but it’s not like the man has done or said anything to hurt anyone, much less you.
DX OX - February 20, 2012
haha wow
just had my blackness questioned. not sure how to respond
standNbang - February 20, 2012
and your right my hate for him is pretty stupid and pointless the guy doesnt even know of my existence and he has no idea of my relentless hate for him. but it is what it is i guess. i hate him
standNbang - February 20, 2012
Well, obviously I can't see your face.
It wouldn’t be the first time that someone lied like that on an internet forum. But I take it back if you are, indeed, Black. I am, too and I would not like for someone to question me like that. Also, one’s race should have nothing to do with how you feel about a particular fighter. There is no need to parade your race around like it somehow further validates your opinion or position.
DX OX - February 20, 2012
are u telling me
that u have never rooted for a black guy in any sporting event just because he was black? sometimes if its an mma match and its a black guy vs another race and i dont care for either of them i say “fuck it i’ll root for the black guy” . Does this make me racist? lol im pretty sure everybody of every race has done something similar. But in the case of Jon Jones i would root for a klansman against him lol.
standNbang - February 20, 2012
Again you keep saying things that make me doubt you're Black
A Black guy would never say that they would pull for a klansman. Even if it was a joke. Why would you even say that about someone you never met? Jones has never done anything to personally offend or hurt you. Even if you are Black, you’re either incredibly immature and unintelligent or you’re just trolling.
DX OX - February 20, 2012
im 21
im allowed to be immature
standNbang - February 20, 2012
If anything, this video made Jones look more endearing and human
For an uber-athlete who sits atop the throne of one of UFC’s most popular division, there is no frame of reference for any of us that will mold Jon Jones into someone we like, or think is “real” (whatever that means).
None.
When a kid like Jones wills himself to a mindset that is about more than just winning a fight, and actually thinks about his legacy and imprint, that’s real balls, guys. And I applaud him for that. Especially now when he does it in an awkward, imperfect way.
It’s no different than Michael Jordan having an absolutely murderous killer instinct, to the point of decking his teammates in practice. Or Steve Jobs presiding over Apple and Pixar as a relentless perfectionist, and also a terrifying dictator.
This sort of single-minded approach seems delusional sometimes, or at the very least, arrogant. But it’s the price you have to pay sometimes in order to achieve something that’s never been done before. MJ was a dick. Jobs was a dick. Michelangelo was a dick. Even Gandhi was a dick, in some ways.
And before you go off saying I’m comparing Jones to the greats above — stop. All I’m saying that there are certain individuals who are wired differently than us average folks. And that’s the sad truth: we are average. It’s why we spend our Sunday afternoons arguing and dissecting a person’s psyche, personality and iconoclasm based on videos and interviews online.
So of course you think Jones looks fake. But that’s coming from your own preconceived notions of how one person should act in certain situations. When the truth is there hasn’t been anyone like Jones in the UFC before. Not even Shogun had this kind of scrutiny when he went on that Pride Championship tear.
Jones is sweeping through uncharted territories, and some of us here are just content on kvetching like bitter old aunts about the way he speaks.
D Squared - February 19, 2012
It did help humanize him.
It also makes him seem like a guy who wants to do good and thinks his success translates to spreading said positivity around him so that folk can banefit. the problem is that his understanding of it is hooey.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
So?
You show me a 24-year old who has a perfectly adjusted and informed view of the world around him, and I’ll give credence to your position.
Oh and make sure you add in the dynamics of fame, money and success.
D Squared - February 19, 2012
You asked.
Her name is Camila Vallejo. She’s 24 years old.
She’s not talking about stuff—she’s doing stuff, or at least she was. She’s proved sh’s got al least a complete world view and she’s not fucking around.
Google her if you want to know more b/c this is not exactly a forum about politics.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I was about to ask if she was your GF tbh
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
I ain't that lucky.
Shite…I are a sad panda now.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Dude is she your girl?
She’s aight.
D Squared - February 19, 2012
Naw.
She’s Chilean. She was a leader at the height of the clusterfuck that was the student protests over there a little while back. She’s legit.
And yeah, she’s fine as hell.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
"she’s fine as hell."
Thats a little bit of an overstatement. Shes not ugly, but fine she is not.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
I violently disagree.
She’s fine as hell in a “real girl” kind of way.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
she reminds me of the Canadian girl in How I Met Your Mother
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Don't watch that show. Sorry.
But Vallejo is a super fine specimen with an even finer brain.
Fuck, yeah!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Do you think there's a resemblance?
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
In the bone structure, yeah.
But Vallejo is Chilena hotness. RAWR!
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
He’s not gonna understand.
king of the dogs - February 19, 2012
'Parently not.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i like how.....
the talk started with world views, maturity and slowly moved onto female hotness, classic BE.
carmine99 - February 19, 2012
It was kind of implicit in the 'pussy train' section of the thread.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
I see the real thing and that is always a plus. But I think cute is a better word. Everybody has different taste though. That said I’d put a pounding on it.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
Defintely real world cute
She’d be the hottest girl in most offices, unless you work for a plastic surgeon in LA or a modeling agency in NYC. But if you’re in a cubicle farm in Des Moines, Iowa, she’d real world cute.
duck - February 19, 2012
How dare you? Do not bring politics (nor my future wife) to BE! :)
king of the dogs - February 19, 2012
I see this in our future, good sir.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Sheesh
So much
cocktalk!Ready to see this go down already.
beerdo - February 19, 2012
Bones talking is so scripted it isn’t even funny, doesn’t come off natural at all
Elitex10x - February 19, 2012
Whoa, stop with your negative energy
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
this deserved my rec :D
szanpan - February 19, 2012
the difference between jon and rashad
rashad thinks he is a better fighter and can beat jones
jones thinks he is a better person
jones has a superiority complex going on
he already thinks he is the best of all time he has huge ego and believes his own hype
even comparing himself to Ali lol
P86 - February 19, 2012
He never compared himself to Ali, try again
schm1583 - February 19, 2012
If Jones were emulating Ali
in the sense of rhyming catchphrases and pro-wrestling Sonnenisms, then I would love Jones.
As is, I prefer Rashad’s personality to Jon’s, although I feel no need to claim that therefore Jones is fake and going to lose because of it.
James Kimbell - February 19, 2012
You know what's faker than Jon Jones?
Stupid liberals.
/Volkmannized
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
You know who's more arrogant than Jon Jones?
Obama!
/Volkmannized
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
Call him President Jones
UK MMA MAN - February 19, 2012
“Be Positive. Be Jones.”
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Heyyyy thats a great one !!
szanpan - February 19, 2012
What's the difference between Dana White and Obama?
Obama sucks.
/Volkmannized.
Sugel Mendoza - February 19, 2012
... and I'm forced to unrec your initial comment for this follow up
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Man it’s hard to sit through a Jon Jones interview and not be disgusted at how high he is on himself. But to watch Rashad cut him up was worth it. Man I wish so badly Rashad could win but that’s not gonna happen.
In all honesty right now I feel Jon Jones is gonna be the best MMA fighter we’ve seen for a long time to come and even though I hate his personality, I’ll pay to watch him fight everytime.
But he sucks at acting/ comedy and all the other crossover stuff he attempts.
Robust23 - February 19, 2012
Probably...also probably not.
Go to the middle of this post, and read about the glorious and academic discussion of the pussy train.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Jackson should send him to an oratory school or something
Learn him some charismo skills, get some fans etc.
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
No! Not get some fans!
According to Jackso, that only is a viable option after choking out and dumping your prospective fan on his face.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
he tries hard you can see it
just something went TOTALLY wrong during the process, as if half of the people, who were supposed to clealry fall in love with him as a fighter got the wrong mental message and started to dislike him mostly for those things which were clearly planned to make him more likeable to the fans..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Jay Leno Syndrome!
Pyrgz Krum - February 19, 2012
I dunno.
I don’t think it is planned. He just speaks his mind as positively as he can. Dude wants to be a role model, and dude wants to inspire, achieve greatness, and all that.
Problem is that all that resides on his being super awesome. His message is conditioned to him beating people up on a cage and then remaining prim and proper in real life, and that is what is insane.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
People wouldn't care about whatever message he had unless he is winning though
Jon has seemed to relate MMA as just a sport instead of him simply “beating up people in a cage” so there is no moral conflict there. Its similar to how Ray Lewis is inspirational or a role model to many people even though he’s likely knocked out(or concussed) far more people than Jon Jones has.
HaterSlayer - February 19, 2012
Not quite.
People will care as long as he’s a personality. he could lose ten ways to sunday and still have people care if his personality was well liked.
The problem is how Jones handicaps himself from the get go when he starts talking about values and nonsense like that, that while coming from a positive place, just come across as naive and silly, and oddly full of himself.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yes exactly
but in your previous answer there is the truth that yes its planned, not that its set up but what he wants to be seen. And many dont like this image , it went wrong. i see he has a slowly growing fanbase but i have never seen so much dislike about any other fighter. I mean LOGICALLY it should be Chael Sonne who is disliked by the fans not Jones!! Yet its Jones who is genuinely disliked and Chael is getting more and more celebrated. Does he deliver any holy message? No but he is at least his way is genuine.
szanpan - February 19, 2012
The world is nuts like that.
Be a genuine asshole and people will somewhat like you.
Be an honest tool, and people will dislike you.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
LOL exactly
Jones will not be served well.. he will end up with some nasty things i m telling you. Its very dangerous to be shown like a saint.. people will pick on it and will be more and more eager to catch him in the end
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I hope Rashad goes Dereck Chisora on his ass
StevenGiles - February 19, 2012
Gets beaten by a one handed fighter?
joker24 - February 19, 2012
gets bottled?
Tats16 - February 19, 2012
Chisora is a fucking truck.
He just got beat like an hour earlier and then he receives a haymaker to the jaw, along with a bottle.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
He glossed me
He fuckn glossed me
TheCode - February 19, 2012
and I'm not having it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - February 20, 2012
He fucking………… GLOSSED me
StevenGiles - February 20, 2012
Jones comes off as a sanctimonious asswipe. But who gives a shit? It’s about the fightin’ folks. And Bones is an asswhooping human dervish of terror in the cage.
3PA - February 19, 2012
Good match:
Dana White @danawhite
For the UFC 147 card May 16th in Vegas we just signed Edson Barboza vs Evan Dunham!! #funfight
Chris Hall - February 19, 2012
I have no idea why, I usually hate trash talk… but I found those two clips really enjoyable. Might be my current mood.
agree with Jon that Rashad was bringing the negative energy, but I agree with Rashad about Jon overall. He’s got some “fakeness” going on. He shouldn’t really harp quite too much about that one day in practice, because it does not lend quite as much to his credibility regarding his stance on Jon. Rashad also has a bit of whine to him. I still think he overall is correct, Jon takes himself too seriously and I can’t help it, the kid rubs me wrong.On the other hand, he is 24, and is probably just coping the best way he knows how. [/Reason]
I love Lyoto Machida more than a fat boy loves cake and hate JBJ for beating him so war Rashad.
Dev93L - February 19, 2012
not a fan at all of how his (jones’) personality comes off, but to me, there is no one in his weight class that can beat him.
rashad will drill this “phony” thing until the day of the fight in the hopes it will anger jones so much it will throw him off his game. the problem is, it won’t work. Jones is too disciplined for this to happen.
and the thing is, if rashad hadn’t changed his style to a more conservative, defensive and safe one as he has in his last few fights, i would think he might have a slight, slight chance.
phantom5691 - February 19, 2012
Jones is making Rashad look like a down to earth guy
elmojo - February 19, 2012
I wish Chuck was still the champion.
Bobby Flay - February 19, 2012
rec and love
benten20 - February 19, 2012
Elitex10x - February 19, 2012
in all seriousness
I will admit why I dislike Jon so strongly. When you beat some of my favorite fighters ever, your damn right I will hate you with a passion and plead with God for you to lose. Bottom line is for me that whether he is phony or not is not what i care about nearly as much as him dominating my favorite fighters. That is why I want Jon to lose.
benten20 - February 19, 2012
that was earnest
plain and simple :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I really like Shogun but it seems weird to me to 'hate' Bones just for that.
It’s a bit much, don’t you think?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
well i really think this whole thread just shows how different we are
different reasons, personalities, its how the world is :) i like it
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I dont dislike Jones but this video helped me a lot
basically i m here to understand..but personality does count. I dont know where and when will we see the real Jon Jones. I think we have seen him when he left Machida to fall down like a sack of potatoes..
Many people dont understand why Rashad was doing all this. He wanted to bring out the Jones the public doesnt see. He was not bragging without reason IMO
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Problem is that Rashad is a douchy-douche himself, too, at times. Just like Jones. Just less self absorbed about the whole thing.
He even sent a message to Jon calling him a “White Boy.” That’s pretty douchy.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
ya but i am not a big rashad fan either but hes kind of grown on me (mostly because of jones and tito)
benten20 - February 19, 2012
I like both Rashad and Jones the same amount myself.
Tito, I’m neutral for.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
when tito beat bader i dropped my popcorn
benten20 - February 19, 2012
I like watching Tito lose, to be honest.
He used to be such a douche for so long.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
especially hate him because of the shamrock thing to
benten20 - February 19, 2012
Yes! That's why I disliked his antics for so long.
Then i just grew comfortable watching him get his ass beatings. Something about how he moves when he’s in pain seems…funny?
I know, I know, I’m a shit human being.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Ahh yes but in the end they made peace
" We made huge money together" was what Ken Shamrock said and when the acting time was over they got on well :) shouldnt take this stuff too seriously, we cannot know…
szanpan - February 19, 2012
When people try too hard it irks me, either way.
I have Jon Jones in a pedestal compared to how I view Chael Sonnen.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i really dont know what to think about Chael Sonnen
that guy …
szanpan - February 19, 2012
supposedly a nice guy in person but im tired of his shtick
benten20 - February 19, 2012
So nice he robbed some folk blind and hence why his realtor, or whatever the hell it was that he used to do, licence was revoked.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
Read up on what he did.
While he did technically ‘steal’ money, the buyers of the house actually received the vast majority of the money that was embezzled from the scheme.
Basically he allowed the sellers to get the full sale value while he offered the buyers a very sizable under the table discount. Obviously this was illegal and he got caught, but he wasn’t ripping off folks (everybody was willing except that it broke Federal laws) like has been spread around.
Empty Thoughts - February 19, 2012
he defrauded the bank that issued the mortage
Everyone likes to think its a victimless crime, but its not. We all pay higher insurance premiums because people defraud our insurance providers.
There are no victimless crimes.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
From my understanding (I could be wrong I admit), the mortgage company itself was involved with the transaction. They were all essentially skimming off the top.
Yes it still isn’t a crime without victims, but my point was more to the fact that people continue to talk about this without really knowing what happened. It’s a easy thing to toss out to insult the man basically, but with the facts it looks much less damning. Not great still obviously, but much less damning just the same.
Empty Thoughts - February 19, 2012
What about prostitution or buying weed? ;)
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
well, if we got rid of the pimps and drug dealers, I'd agree with that
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Well...
what if you gave me a BJ for a dime bag?
Is that cool? :P
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
you really think you could just rape my mouth
and give me a dimebag and I’d be ok with that?
I’d need at least a qp if I’m gonna be slobbin knob. I’m not a cheap date.
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
Deal
But any more than a quarter pound and you’d be raping me.
TheFilt - February 19, 2012
Truth!
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
i just know he can get away with way too much
what he says and how he acts. Others would have been labelled a long time ago as hardcore racists if they werent called Chael Sonnen but done the same things. but if he does them… everyone just says ahh he s joking ..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
that is why im not so into his antics
benten20 - February 20, 2012
most casuals and even hardcores cheer during brutal KOs
we are all shit humans lol
benten20 - February 19, 2012
"bread and circus"
yes people are especially the crowd effect… I would not be like this i do not like fighting for this reason but really during watching an exciting fight i really get excited for someone not bringing techniques, or if the opponent brings them and stuff like that. I like to analyse and as i was in it as well, i know the feeling and have really great respect for all these guys, hurting themselves for the fun of others ..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
i think people love those who are against the system :)
Look at Nick Diaz or Badr Hari, i dont know if you know how he was and what things he was doing when younger :) fights at press conference, post fights or simply destructions and about the same for Nick just more decently :) People love the rebels thats it. I dont pick up on Jones, but i think he will end up bad-fated because he takes himself right now too seriously with his messages and stuff, but finally he s got 250 k followers, so he is not totally, utterly unloved LOL
szanpan - February 19, 2012
He's got his share of fans, that's for sure.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
i think personally he is trying to be a role model to hard.
i think its simply that hes had alot of success and he has let it get to him a little bit but honestly who wouldnt? He is just a young kid now thrust in the spotlight. Let him enjoy it.
benten20 - February 19, 2012
rampage and machida and bader to
benten20 - February 19, 2012
I still don't care.
he beat folk I enjoy watching fight and whose personality I like… … …and?
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
A Bader fan?
Why? WHY?
Sweet Scientist - February 19, 2012
Blame TUF
benten20 - February 19, 2012
I have become fan of Vinny and Efrain as for TUF 8
Badr to me is too…. highschool football team captain good-guy.. but we are all different, definitely a skilled guy too :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
I like his just overall workhorse power driven game
benten20 - February 19, 2012
HAHA i realised just now i wrote Badr instead of Bader :D
but i meant him and yes definitely a hard worker i thought he will have brighter future in the UFC but i have though the same for Mac Danzig too..
szanpan - February 19, 2012
If he has a good showing against Rampage he will be just fine rankings wise
benten20 - February 19, 2012
That's fine, He just rubs me the wrong way I guess, douchey face.
I don’t care for his style, plus he hangs out with CB Dollaway.
Sweet Scientist - February 19, 2012
the Cb chill would irk anyone i guess lol
benten20 - February 19, 2012
I respect that
you manned up and gave the real reason for hateing him rather than try and search for excuses.
attgnp - February 19, 2012
thank you
benten20 - February 19, 2012
also i like his fights but when i watch them i cry inside, especially the shogun fight
benten20 - February 19, 2012
Yeah. i cried inside too.
He broke Shogun’s spirit with his sloppy but damn effective striking that, at the end, a completely wasted Shogun could only tap and quit in agony, not even aware that the fight had been called.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
might sound funny
but actually i thought Shogun was a LOT older… with all respect
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Getting beat on hard and losing movility due to rusty knees does that to people.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
yes actually there are lots of fighters
who actually seem older, in some cases a lot older than what they are ..I was really SURPRISED when i came to know that Clay Guida is 29 years old.. I thought honestly he is closer to 40. And the Nogueiras closer to .. 50?
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Nogs are 35
benten20 - February 19, 2012
i know :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
but the look like they are decaying already
benten20 - February 19, 2012
ahh absolutely :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
i must commend you on your ability to always smile in these threads :)
benten20 - February 19, 2012
ohh no not always really
just check them back
szanpan - February 19, 2012
alright then how about alot of the time
benten20 - February 19, 2012
true!
its the good ol’ chatting reflexes at work :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
lol nothing wrong with that
benten20 - February 19, 2012
Read four comments.
Fuck this, I’m out.
pdl - February 19, 2012
Don’t be mad when you miss the pussy train
Art_Wanderlei - February 19, 2012
WILL EVERYONE PLEASE STOP WRITING “PUSSY TRAIN”?? I’ve seen it waaaay too many times in this post alone. Thanks.
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
"PUSSY TRAIN"
The Lethal Haze - February 19, 2012
I was expecting that. I just had to went my mild irritation with seeing the phrase “pussy train” like 100 times out of 800 comments.
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
Don't hate on the train, bro.
Unabomberman - February 19, 2012
at least they arent talking about the dick train or something
attgnp - February 20, 2012
A wise choice.
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
..
higgledy-piggledy - February 19, 2012
i think Rashad will be urgent in this fight
and it will be a great strategy. We saw in the Machida fight that when jones gets hit he gets compeltey thrown off balance/concentration/offense and clearly doesnt quite know how to react other then too just kind of turn the other way and kind of duck and run, at least after the fight he admitted that his boxing defense in the pocket is weak spot but if rashad gets on the inside lets hsi hand go jones can be in trouble. if jones trys some bullshit spinning bullshit all night he might get caught.
bert44 - February 19, 2012
Great thread and whenever i need some faith
I go back to watch some brilliant Diego Sanchez gif with the cross :)
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Has anyone mentioned
how fake that dude is?
Just wondering. Haven’t read the 3,000 comments.
( . Y . ) - February 19, 2012
HAHAHA
THIS!!!! :D deserves my rec
szanpan - February 19, 2012
And besides, yes yes a couple..
1 or two…
szanpan - February 19, 2012
Rashad started it!!
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
“I have a Picture of my foot in Rampage’s mouth….but you have to win with grace”
Good job homie saying that is the same thing as putting it up
Udalango - February 19, 2012
Yeah
Horselover Fat - February 19, 2012
don't embrace Jon, rise above it
Rod Mapada - February 19, 2012
u
guys…
rohedron - February 21, 2012
Elitex10x - February 19, 2012
crack
me up…
rohedron - February 21, 2012
JJ is a rat
no love for rats
WARMMA - February 19, 2012
This is truly a clash of two different mind sets.
The positive, mature guy who knows what he wants and wants the right things and the older guy who is desperately trying to act like he’s giving sage advice and look important.
RobSchneider'sSuccessfulTwin - February 19, 2012
Yeah...Rashad came across very poorly.
You’ve got a kid saying that he has a vision and is working to achieve it…and you’ve got a guy who HAD the same dream, but didn’t achieve it, trying to give him advice. Rashad seems to think that his long undefeated streak is comparable to Jones current situation.
Jones comes across young, not fake, imho.
icastico - February 19, 2012
I think JJ was trying to avoid getting into the same old argument with rashad but rashad is so stuck on making JJ look bad that the conversation never goes anywhere. sure JJ said some things that make him sound arrogant but he is feeling like he must defend himself the whole time.
manshark - February 19, 2012
^ This
Exactly this.
Major B - February 19, 2012 via Android app
this "rashad is a dick" "jones is fake" stuff is just delightful
they’re both promoting a fight. there’s 1000 comments on this thread. so maybe they both deserve a pat on the back.
Clifford J - February 20, 2012
There isnt 1000 yet, but close… maybe I should say something inflammatory to get enough replies to get the 1000
schm1583 - February 20, 2012
1000 comments that can be summed up like so;
“Jon Jones is a dick.”
“Nuh uh!”
Fake Emcee - February 20, 2012
LOL
absolutely
szanpan - February 20, 2012
if the number of comments on threads were indicative of ppv sales
then this would be a BIG money fight for all involved.
Anderson Silva money!!!
Johnathan Willis - February 20, 2012
Everyone in this world should believe in themselves
as Jon Jones does. No sarcasm. For real.
GetItOn - February 20, 2012
Was it always ‘Suga’? I swear I thought it was ‘Sugar.’
head-splitter - February 20, 2012
i think when he was a hospital security guard
it was ‘booga suga.’ then the just dropped the booga part when he signed with the ufc.
gspmademegay - February 20, 2012
Jon isn't doing himself any favors
when he speaks like this. The quotes are really getting old. The words of “wisdom” are really getting old. Ali was arrogant but he was smooth, witty, and so over the top that is was viewed as a joke. Jones is so far from smooth that he could be called the anti-smooth. Ol’ Malki needs to sit him down and tell him to keep his mouth shut because Rashad is going to bait him into exposing just how unlikeable he really is.
CRWHITLOCK - February 20, 2012
Jon jones is a skin rat
Patrick Hughes - February 20, 2012
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