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UFC On Fox 3 Fight Card Shaping Up

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UFC on Fox 3 is set for May 5th in East Rutherford, NJ, and the card looks to be complete. One big fight that had been tentatively set for the card, the third bout between Tito Ortiz and Forrest Griffin, is now off due to an injury. The card is still full of intriguing bouts either way though. The main event will see Nate Diaz and Jim Miller face off in a five-round bout that could decide the next UFC lightweight title challenger. In the co-main, Johny Hendricks will look to earn his own title shot with a win over solid veteran Josh Koscheck. The bout order for the rest of the card hasn't been announced yet, but here's how it looks right now:

May 5th, live on Fox from East Rutherford, NJ:


Nate Diaz (15-7) vs. Jim Miller (21-3)

Josh Koscheck (17-5) vs. Johny Hendricks (12-1)

Alan Belcher (17-6) vs. Rousimar Palhares (14-3)

Pat Barry (7-4) vs. Lavar Johnson (16-5)

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Tony Ferguson (13-2) vs. Dennis Hallman (51-14-2, 1 NC)

John Dodson (12-5) vs. Darren Uyenoyama (7-3)

John Hathaway (15-1) vs. Pascal Krauss (10-0)

Danny Castillo (13-4) vs. John Cholish (8-1)

Pablo Garza (11-2) vs. Dennis Bermudez (7-3)

Nick Denis (11-2) vs. Johnny Bedford (18-9-1)

Mike Massenzio (13-6) vs. Karlos Vemola (8-2)

Louis Gaudinot (5-2) vs. John Lineker (19-5)

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i dont

belcher is gonna put pallhares to sleep

dan miller nearly did

Paul still thought he'd won

Was goin’ in for a hug, got punched in the face. As long as he doesn’t try to hug Alan…

Have you *seen* Alan Belcher?

Not hugging that man is going to be one tall order.

This card is sickkkk.

Call a doctor.

Great card

Made better by the fact that its free.

They need a Main Event

Diaz vs Miller is not a main event I would expect for a fox card.

Isn't it a number 1 contender bout ?

Not bad for a free card.

I really doubt as we go that UFC on Fox main cards will start to resemble PPV less and less

that being said, these are four pretty good fights with some good names and everyone is coming off wins or a on a streak.

These new MMA fans feel so entitled.

It’s a fantastic main event, better than Rashad vs Davis.

Easily

We don’t agree too often but this ME is 10x better at least.

I agree,

I would prefer these two as a main event, not only because it’s an awesome fight, but also because I want fans to see how great these lighter weight classes are, and hopefully become more interested in them. I want these glorious little bastards to make lots of green for all the great fights they put on.

better than to have a good fight than big names. Miller-Diaz should be a 25 minute brawl

Let's be real here

as far as name recognition goes, this reeeeeaaaallly wouldn’t be a first choice, not to say there’s any fight that would be better on this card.

Name recognition isn't a big deal

No one knew who Forrest and Bonnar were either.

A lot of people knew who Franklin and Shamrock are tho.

I believe they have changed there tune

Now its not all about promoting one guy as a draw, but the UFC in itself. Which I think is a smart idea. Let the fans decide who they wanna follow and just set up fantastic fights. Leaves more room to grow then putting all your eggs in the Brock Lesnar/GSP basket.

Nick Denis vs. Johnny Bedford and Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker are going to be funnzies on the undercard. Solid maincard as well. Never understood all the freaking out over this card.

Best Fox card yet!

If they are doing four fights with a five round main event

I guess that means less filler garbage

Sincerely doubt it

I expect that the main card will go down to 3 fights it just hasnt been announced yet. Belcher/Palahres is most likely heading to FUEL TV.

before Barry/Johnson?

I sincerely hope not

Only hardcores are that excited about Belcher/Palhares and Barry/Johnson is that guarenteed slugfest that they need to open the show.

I get the stand and bang angle

But Palhares is bat shit crazy and is a real character that new fans could embrace. Plus this fight has more relevancy to its divison than Barry/Johson

I think Palhares would be the champ after Anderson retires.
I wouldnt go that far

He still has serious problems in the stand up department but if he gets you to the ground…

His stand up is pretty good

and getting better quickly.

Here's the thing with Palhares

His Jiu-Jitsu is clearly not technical like Demian “Ernesto Hoost-level kickboxer” Maia. He fought a seasoned grappler like Jeremy Horn and didn’t finish him. Sure he slammed him 500 times but didn’t do enough to submit him.

I think on two occasions he had Dan Henderson in a leglock and finished neither. Henderson has excellent submission defense and has only tapped out to the Nogs and Anderson after he was rocked.

Then he had the Marquardt leglock and proceeded to get pounded out. And Marquardt has a very good ground game.

Dan Miller he didn’t really go for the submissions as much because he was winning the striking exchanges, but that still went the distance.

Palhares very much has trouble submitting high-level grapplers or anyone in the top 15. Dave Branch, Tomasz Drwal, and Lucio Linhares are all out of the UFC. Massenzio is an unranked MW. His career has mostly consisted of submitting guys who pose no threat to him and then stumbling against the very best of the division.

The title talk to me is a bit premature.

its premature

But I think he really does have the potential to win the belt in a few years.

The Miller fight shouldn’t have went the distance. I swear I heard someone scream “STOP!” right before Palhares declared himself the winner.

That's what Palhares said

That Miller verbally submitted.

He didn't, though.

Full stop. I would bet my life savings with absolute confidence that you will never see a Miller brother submit to strikes in their career.

He may not have

But someone did, and it sounded like him.

You say that like it’s a fact, when it’s not. I know there were people who thought they heard somebody (not Miller) say stop, there were more people who heard nothing of the sort.

rewatch the fight

I heard it pretty clearly

I’ve rewatched the fight plenty of times. Miller never says stop, and is in the process of extending his arm up and kicking off with his legs (ie, still attempting to get out of the position, not quitting) when Palhares decides to stand up. He was in worse shape than that later in the fight and still responded immediately every time Herb threatened to stop it. Not to drop “I know this dude” evidence, but quite simply, there is zero chance in hell Dan would verbally submit to strikes in that fight, knowing a loss might mean his job and knowing how badly and why he needed to keep it to provide for his family. It just didn’t happen, and watching the video does nothing to change that because you can’t hear Dan saying anything at the time because he’s too busy worrying about the dude punching him in the head to have a chat.

Is it possible Dean said something that Palhares mistook for Miller saying stop, I suppose (though I and many others didn’t hear anything like it) but that doesn’t excuse Palhares, because a pro fighter really ought to be able to tell the difference between instructions from a ref to his opponent and his opponent verbally quitting, or make it any less lame that Bustamante said he was merely “too naive,” trying to dirty the reputation of an honest dude by saying he tricked Palhares to cover for his own fighter’s mistake.

muh

It looked good at times against Miller but then he got dropped right after the whole crazy celebration thing. Didn’t really get a chance to see how it had progressed in his last fight but he still has defiencies

Definitely possible

He’s got some powerful, technically sound striking and wrestling to go along with his freak strength, aggression and legit world class BJJ.

Barry/Johnson was confirmed main card
Dana said in the future

The MC will be 4-5 fights.

FOX has a 2 hour Primetime window from 8-10 et. 2, three round fights + 1 five round fight easily fits that window and as we saw last time if all the fights go the distance plus filler it can go over.

I know what Dana said but I’m not buying it until I see it.

Does it?

Usually, they seem to plan 30 mins for every 15 min bout and about 50 mins for a 5 rd. main event. Can’t see that fitting a 2 hr. format.

Well, they always prefer wiggle room

But the reality is that actual fight-time, a 3 round is maximum 17 minutes(3X5 + 1 minute between rounds 1-2 and 2-3) and a 5 round fight is a maximum of 29 minutes

plus fighter introductions tend to be ABOUT 1.5 minutes max I’d say.

So, say all 4 fights go to decision…that’s 17+17+17+29 = 1 hour 20 mins of ‘start-to-end’ fight time, leaving 40 minutes for commercials and ancillary stuff..that seems do-able to me.

But when you have 4 fights, one between two heavyweight heavy hitters, another between a pair of 185ers with very high finish rates…then I’d say the chances of all 4 fights going the distance are pretty slim.

Oh shit, might have to go to this UFC if Diaz and Palhares are gonna be there
UFC has no idea what to do with these Fox shows.

Glad they are experimenting to figure out what works.

Nate Diaz and Jim Miller in a god damn five round fight

I don’t care if the ratings do shit, this is an awesome fight and shall be treated as such.

If the ratings aren't good

Then they’ll know that they need to put “names” on the card. If not – and my suspicion is that they won’t be bad – then we can count on action fights like this one as the free card main events, with new fans to follow soon thereafter.

They just don't know.

They did good ratings with Heavyweights and Title Fight, but bad action because it was too quick. Then they gave us three rad co-main events to fill out a card but the action wasn’t there. Now they are trying fights that have to be awesome but with little name value. We’ll see how that and the August card do for ratings and hopefully by 2013, UFC and Fox will be close to dialing in what works for everybody.

I wonder how much name value is needed. I would think that as far as name value is concerned on a Fox card, they could have a name fighter on the main event. I just don’t see it being necessary to have all the other fights have names on those bouts. It would think a mixture of all the things you listed would be the right formula for a Fox card. With this card though, at least some people should be familiar with Koscheck and Diaz. In the future, I would like to see more Title fights, especially in the lighter weight classes, headline a Fox card.

Yep

Best thing they could do.

I honestly expect this one to be the best one, entertainment wise.

The whole lineup for the Fox show looks really good

Which should keep people tuning in and not switching the channel after a bad fight

That's what I'm thinking

If you tune in and see Barry/Johnson, you’ll probably stick around or check back in later in the show.

I hope they have a stretcher nearby

For when Hendricks uppercuts Koscheck Shoryuken-style he flies out of the Octagon and right into the arms of paramedics.

Absolutely

This:

Plus this:

Equals this:

Was that last GIF the Drew Fickett fight?

I think he was dominating that one before he got dropped like a sack of potatoes and then choked out with 30 seconds left.

Nah

It was also the Paulo Thiago fight

Thanks. Spike logo through me off.

Holy shit I like how they call it “live”.

No, actually it's not.

Color of his shorts are different and Koscheck was vehemently protesting that he’d been KO’d after the Thiago fight.

On top of that, I just got done watching the Fickett fight and that is definitely where the gif is from.

I am not a Kos fan, he is a dink imo, but he was not finished in the Paulo fight and was winning up to that point

plz!!!!

as if kos is going to stand with johnny, he going to use his anthony johnson blueprint for this fight.

"He's going to use his Anthony Johnson blueprint"

He’s going to pretend he got poked in the eye?

dont be like that....

you guys are making the same mistake as ppl did with condit/diaz. short term memory is where its at, condit and nick had amazing last performances so it obviously meant their fight was going to be a epic war.

hendicks got a KO, KOS boxed against peirce so it might mean that he will do the same, he aint dumb, he going in there with a gameplan, most likely LnP. he only trades with guys who he knows he can hang with, he is no different than GSP in terms of fighting against his opponents strengths.

Not really, no

Hendricks has the wrestling to stop Kos and the cardio to do it for all three rounds if need be. Of course, he won’t need that, Koscheck’s getting smashed in about two minutes.

speculation is all we got yo....

i dont see hendricks stopping kos’s power double, or getting off from underneath him. even GSP couldnt stop Kos, and he is the best in the biz.

Hendricks neutralized Fitch pretty well

By simply pressing the off switch on his brain.

and that must mean something right ?

did it occur to you that kos has seen that fight many times by now ?

Koscheck probably knows Pierce had tons of power

And yet Koscheck chose to strike with him and got outstruck.

he knew rumble and daley....

had cracking power and took them down over and over, that right hand is not his only choice, he is actually a very well rounded cerebral fighter, he knows how to exploit his opponents, except for GSP who happens to be notch up both mentally and physically.

im not even a Kos fan, its kinda funny to me the way ppl are writing him off, way worse than when he fought daley, its kinda surprising that ppl have so much faith in hendricks.

Motherfucker hits hard.

And his wrestling is at the very least on par with Koscheck’s, at this juncture.

Either way, I’ll pick him to wreck Kos.

I am like Hendricks more than Kos easily, but to me this fight is a 50/50. Hendricks has equal wrestliing on a pure wrestling stand point but in MMA I believe Kos is a ways ahead of him, but we will see.

Yeah, I may be getting ahead of myself.

Kos is a solid guy. But hopefully he gets KTFO’d.

I hope so too, but both have a lot of power in their striking (Hendricks probably has more) and neither are super technical striking (again Hendricks is probably more technical) and I give Kos the MMA wrestling advantage, to me it is as toss up

I would agree with this. Will definitely be cheering for Hendricks though

Because he can do that every time

C’mon. Even if he fought Fitch again this is not likely to happen twice.

I agree...

12 seconds tells you nothing of a fighter’s abilities, much less a fighter against Jon Fitch. I highly doubt that KO would happen 9/10 times… but I’d wager some cash on Hendricks getting Fitched 9/10 times. For sure.

should be a fun show to watch

The fans should have no complaints. Fox may be pissed about a card with no draws if the ratings slip though

So stoked for this card
I think it's pretty obvious now that the UFC gives zero shits about you advancing far on TUF

Bermudez gets Pablo Garza, who is a very good fighter. Bedford will get crushed by Nick Denis.

Dodson vs. Uyenoyama is going to be a very competitive battle.

And to cite earlier examples they put Brookins on the Facebook show of a FUEL TV card behind guys like Walel Watson.

It’s good. Very good.

I must say that its been only last week i have seen Brookins fight

And i have changed my opinion on him, because previously was just a guy who looked horrible at times but i could see how much talent he s got. Tell me, what went wrong with his career? Or its that he is too nice /weird looking to be able to get promoted or gain a better position?
Walel was zero so i think they have still made the ground for Urijah upps . Dillashaw to proceed no?

Paul harris is getting TKO'ed

He is going to get dropped then finished on the ground. Mardquart style but without the greasy leg.

So um....I got off the John Hathaway wagon after he arguably lost to Kris McCray

Let me know when I can get back on and be ridiculed again.

pdl will make sure you are well ridiculed.
With a quick search I'll probably just counter with his seemingly sober statement

That Dominick Cruz hits really hard.

That's ridiculous. He must have been sober when he said that.
Who is this guy?

John Hathaway? Could you please tell me more about him?

British welterweight, holds a win over Diego Sanchez. People still can’t tell if he’s overrated or underrated though, based on some of the problems he’s had with lesser competition.

I used to love Vemola

I really don’t care much for him now. Massenzio is still pretty legit and I expect him to take the W

I hate all of Vemola's fights except the Seth beatdown

He probably has the worst striking in the UFC. And I include Leonard Garcia. His wrestling isn’t that functional and when that isn’t working he resorts to open handed swim techniques he calls punches.

His issue is not weight classes, it’s lack of overall skill.

Before seeing him fight that Brazilian guy

The only fight of his I saw was the one with Seth. You can see how I thought he was a monster.

Ronny Markes was the Brazilian fighter

He fought Jon Madsen at heavyweight and got smothered in a shit awful fight, which prompted the move to 205 where he proceeded to kill Petruzelli.

Markes was a replacement for Stephan Bonnar, actually.

I didnt know that he actually cant wrestle

Its strange when it comes to Brazilian fighters who cant wrestle? I dont think his last win was a clear one… It wasnt a good fight at all ..

i still think Condit vs Ellenberger would be the perfect main event for this card

Nevertheless, still awesome, still stacked.

Meh

Not to impressed with the UFC offerings on FOX this could almost be an FX type card. They have 2 more after this right will be interesting to see where it goes from here. I still think they need some bigger names on these FOX cards to get the casual fans attention. With 3 rumored fights for UFC 146 it already looks so much better than this and I know the money is the PPV an blah blah but to me this is another waste of a FOX card strike 2.

Rashad Evans is a million buy PPV fighter. Twice.

His fight was boring as shit.

Big names is not the problem. Interesting fights are.

ask 10 casual fans who Rashad Evans is.

I bet you 3 of them know his name.

Not to mention who was he fighting in those million PPV buys?

it wasn’t Thiago Silva.

Rampage and Forrest

You know, two guys who have drawn like shit in their last several headlining spots.

So Rashad is a bigger name than Rampage and Forrest?

oh ok.

I think it's a combination

Yes you need exciting fights but you also need names. Even if this a FOTY canidate I expect the lowest ratings for a FOX card yet. They wont be horrible but I’m not expecting better ratings than FOX 1 or FOX 2.

Agreed

It is a combination why doesn’t the UFC understand that? It doesn’t seem that difficult but who knows must be a lot of things going on behind the scenes at FOX and the UFC but I just haven’t been to impressed.

You are amazingly negative
Fuck the ratings,

Diaz, Miller, Palhares and Hendricks are some of MMA’s best kept secrets, and I don’t want it to stay that way. These guys could be around for a while, so why not give them the exposure they deserve?

Can they just realize that having a FULL, 4-5 fight main card on Fox is the way to go?

Enough of this ’It’s Fox, so fewer fights and more storytelling’ bullcrap.

The more fights you have, then there is more of a chance of a WAR or knockout that redeems potentially not-so-great fights.

If the 3 top fights go to uneventful decision, but you at least opened with an ‘epic KO’…the main card doesn’t seem as ‘bad’

There's four main card fighst on this event...
I saw that

And I’m hoping it stays that way…

There was a rumor further up that they would scale it back to 3…I was just being paranoid.

Ok...I missed that one

Ratings may start a little lower on this one due to the lack of names, but these fights are a great way to build interest as the broadcast goes, and to generate some hype for the next FOX show.

Also Diaz-Miller is going to be amazing, if they get to scrambling shits gonna be bananas

B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

I like to pretend that song never existed

I'm so happy Ortiz-Forest III is off

The 2nd fight was garbage and I think that would have stunk up the card. All those dudes have is name value.

I didn't think their 2'nd fight was that bad at all.
Lavar Burton in the UFC still makes me laugh

I mean, yeah, it’ll be a fun rock ‘em sock ’em robot fight, but Daniel Cormier must look at his name on a card like this and be hatin’ exquisitely.

One more fight for Cormier though

and he’ll come to the UFC as “The Strikeforce Heavyweight Champion of the world

That is unless The Warmaster/Babyfat Assassin takes him out, and then he’ll just be a guy who’s not in the UFC and has a loss in his last fight.

Wah, wah, waaaaaah

I doubt he'll be sixed for a loss - maybe in a div. other than hw.

He KOed Bigfoot and Bigfoot got moved over. It’s too bad Josh is such a juicy fighter. I love that guy’s skillset.

Lavar Burton??

lolderp

nice one. I’m not even that big a fan of Star Trek (uh, anymore.)

Great Card!

The UFC is bringin the heat!

WAR Nick Denis.

Ninja of Love gonna break Bedfords heart.

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