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UFC 143 Judo Chop: The Striking And Grappling Technique Of Nick Diaz

Photo by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.

Photo by Esther Lin for MMA Fighting.

Nick Diaz fights Carlos Condit at UFC 143 on Saturday for the UFC interim welterweight championship. Diaz is a favorite here at the Bloody Elbow Judo Chop headquarters both for his very technical Jiu-Jitsu and also for his unique "pitter shatter" approach to boxing for MMA.

Heading into UFC 143 we wanted to refresh everyone's appreciation for Diaz' technical acumen with a review of our past Judo Chops on the fighter. Enjoy these previous Judo Chops:

I also wanted to highlight this comment from John Nash (formerly nottheface) regarding the provenance of Diaz' unusual approach to boxing in MMA:
Diaz' style of boxing resembls some of the techniques used in old London Prizefighting ("bareknuckle") matches. Now I doubt he and Gracie went out and studied old Jem Mace fights but because grappling played a part in those fights (clinching and throwing your opponent to the ground was a big part of the game, and many fighters depended more on a good wrestling game than their striking ability. If one looks at Ed James's 1878 The Science of Boxing half the techniques shown are headlocks, throws, and trips.) and Diaz doesn't have thunderous power they have stumbled into a style for him that greatly resembles the proven techniques of yore.

And don't miss John Nash's brilliant Nick Diaz, Daniel Mendoza, and the Sweet Science of Bruising which compares Diaz striking to the pre-Marquis of Queensbury rules boxer whose style most resembled Diaz. It's really spectacular.

More from John Nash plus a bunch of animated gifs in the full entry.

SBN coverage of UFC 143: Diaz vs. Condit

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On the right is a nice gif that illustrates Diaz' approach to MMA striking in his October 2010 rematch with K.J. Noons. Note how Diaz rarely commits more force than necessary to his punches, generally throwing from the shoulders, but sometimes just throwing arm punches.

The important thing in Diaz' approach is volume, volume, volume. He pitters, batters and plain wears down his opponents with a variety of low energy punches from a number of different angles.

More from John Nash:

Jean Joseph-Renaud an amazing pioneer in martial arts and specifically Defense Dans La Rue at the beginning of the 20th century described what bareknuckle fighting entailed.

Formerly, in England, when fights took place without gloves, they lasted immensely longer. While the combatants employed wrestling techniques and threw each other to the ground with great force, perhaps five or six times each quarter of an hour, they were still at least as vigorous of those of today. They ought to have finished very quickly and yet their fights always lasted a long time; they most commonly ended because one of the adversaries was exhausted rather than beaten.

Prizefighters fought this way because they didn't have gloves to protect their hands and because the rules allowed for grappling and throwing each other to the ground, often incorporating Devonshire, Cumberland, and Westmorland style wrestling. A new round started any time a fighter was knocked down and went to his knee, he was then given a 30-count to get back up and begin again. Because there is a time limit in mma Diaz has sped up the pace.

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Joseph-Renaud also described a type of fighter who stood outside and threw straights but without all his power so as to not to break his hand (even describing one type of punch as a "slap" and considering it effective), unlike the in-fighting that glove boxing developed. This slap fighter wouldn't lung so at to leave himself open to be grappled and would throw repetitive straights from the outside to the head and, more importantly, the body of his opponent. The goal with this style of scientific boxing was to wear down your opponent until they collapsed from cumulative damage and exhaustion. Sound familiar?

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And while I think Diaz fights a lot like Michael Nunn - and perhaps based his style on the same sources as Nunn - the modifications they've made to make it work in MMA have resulted in something that resembles something from old prizefighting: less upper body movement, less slipping and ducking, less lunging from the outside, less dancing. All the stuff that Nunn uses but could put you in a bad spot where grappling is allowed as it is in MMA - and London Prizefighting.

The following is some analysis from The Unconventional MMA Boxing of Nick Diaz:

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On the right we've got the penultimate moments of Nick's 2009 early retirement party for Frank Shamrock. Note the way he sticks his left hand in Shamrock's face to bait Frank into putting up his guard. Once the ribs are unprotected Diaz actually winds up and unloads a vicious right hook to Shamrock's ribs.

Here's MMA Fighting talking about the CompuStrike record that Diaz set in that round:

Nick Diaz spent three minutes and 57 seconds swarming Frank Shamrock in the second round of their fight Saturday night before referee Big John McCarthy finally stopped it. If you watched the fight, you know that already. But you might not know that Diaz had what may have been the most active round in the history of MMA.

CompuStrike, which tabulates statistics from MMA fights, says that Diaz attempted 181 strikes in the second round, making it the most total strikes thrown in any round that CompuStrike has recorded. The previous record was held by Michael Bisping, who threw 141 strikes in the first round of his UFC 70 fight with Elvis Sinosic. Diaz breaking that record is even more impressive when you remember that Bisping didn't finish Sinosic in the first round, meaning he had a full five minutes to throw 141 strikes. Diaz shattered the record in less than four.

Of course, Diaz has never been the most accurate or powerful of punchers, and he only landed 79 of those 181 strikes. So Bisping still owns the record for strikes landed in a round.

And here's a little taste of his grappling acumen from Nick Diaz's Ground Game by Ben Thapa:

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Gif via Grappo

In this gif, we see Diaz in a position where he could move into side control, as Shamrock’s left side is relatively undefended. However, Nick chooses to move his left knee to pin down Shamrock’s right thigh, while maintaining the underhook on Shamrock’s left arm/allowing Shamrock to keep the overhook. The resulting position contorts Shamrock into an awkward position where his head is twisting in the opposite direction from his legs and Nick’s good top pressure allows him to stay there. As the gif shows, Nick takes the opportunity to punch Frank a few times in the head before Frank later regains guard (not show in the gif).

Here's hoping we get to see more of Diaz great standing and ground technique against Condit who should be a stern test for the ex-Srikeforce champ in all ranges of fighting.

I also recommend gzl5000's series on How To OutStrike Nick Diaz Part 1 Part 2, Part 3 and Nick Diaz A Boxing Breakdown.

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Comments

His punches aren't so low energy

In that he’s been knocking guys silly in the first round. And these are guys with solid chins, like Daley and Cyborg.

well they're low energy in that they're not giant swung from the hip haymakers

it’s a low energy investment for a high energy impact as opposed to your more prototypical MMA brawler who invests a huge amount of energy for a medium energy impact.

His body punches are **hard**

Diaz uses old school technical boxing:

He pitter patters the head and then wails in a body shot from hell, once the guy starts worrying about the body shot then Diaz goes hard upstairs. It’s classic and it’s proven to work.

Julio Cesar Chavez would admire the bodypunching of Nick Diaz.

I'm not sure about admire.

But he would nod in agreement.

Diaz is a great example of the effectiveness of "touching"

“touching” for anyone unfamiliar with the term is the art of keeping contact in boxing or in other words to constantly connect with your punches. Usually you throw at a lower velocity but the intent is to always “touch” with your strikes, because
a) you waste less energy when you connect
b) it keeps your opponent always on the defensive
c) you always know their range

Aw come on

Do something on Carlos Condit too. Am i alone in thinking Diaz isn’t the best thing to happen since sliced bread? (which is overrated)

we'll have a Judo Chop on Condit in the morning.

Fraser is beavering away!

… lol “beavering”.

Yes, I prefer to think of myself as “working” at the moment, rather than “beavering” but maybe that’s just me.

beavering is better

you should try it.

There's a strong and active community of Diaz haters here on BE

Talk to the MichatheCynic or the artist formerly known ans MostDiabolicalHater about your probationary membership. I think you’re required to love Brock Lesnar though, FYI.

Who used to be MDH?

Is it Montclaire?

yup

no ‘e’ at the end tho

I believe you should call him by his title good sir. Duke Earl the Earl of Montclair.

Haha.

I’m a BE hipster… I used my real name before using your real name was cool

Such a unique fighter

Aside from his brother, there’s nobody who’s even close to resembling Diaz stylistically.

I’m not sure how widely used this term is but my wife’s BJJ coach calls that a staple gun. Sliding your knee through like Diaz does in the final gif.

I can’t picture a staple gun, but I’ve always heard and always called it a knee slice…

Yeah that was the first term I heard for it as well. But it’s since been replaced in my head forever, my wife talks about it so often.

Diaz is a devastating body puncher, he really is. You see Shamrock wince in that gif, and his body work seriously hurt Paul Daley. Unless Condit perfectly times a flying knee on to his jaw, i can’t see any way Condit can beat him.

Even then

his recovery from damage is insane. I like Condit, and I think it’ll be a fantastic fight, but eventually Nick’s work rate is just going to pull him under I think.

Yeah

No matter how good Carlos’ chin and cardio are, he’s not going to be able to match Diaz’s pace. I smell a 48-47 decision or late-round TKO. On the other hand, if Carlos can chop Diaz’s legs out in the first couple of rounds and use Thai-style dumps like Cerrone did to Nate, he might be able to slow the fight down enough to win on points. I don’t think that’s likely, though.

Really, a decision?

I’ll be surprised if this makes it out of the third round. Neither of these guys have great defense and both can dole out damage very rapidly.

When was the last time

Either guy was finished? For Diaz, that would be 2002 (not counting the cuts stoppage against Noons in 2007), and for Condit it was 2006. My prediction is based more on my belief in both guys’ chins and cardio rather than an underestimation of their offensive abilities; we’ve seen Diaz and Condit take absolutely huge shots from some of the most wicked power punchers out there and survive (Daley and Ellenberger in particular).

Very Nice analysis

Overwhelming your opponent with punches and waiting for the right moment to drop the high energy punch.

"A new round started any time a fighter was knocked down and went to his knee, he was then given a 50-count to get back up and begin again"

Sounds like this rule got gamed hard, like the three point headkick rule now in effect.

Man, that's some old comment you dug up Kid. I'm impressed.

Although, you probably could have just used the fanpost I did covering a lot of the same ground.

I should also note that I mistyped 50-count instead of 30-count in that comment and that Diaz has added a lot more power to his punching since those observations were made.

On a related note

I have a follow up for The Pugilist I’m ready to post as soon as I find a gif or video link of Nate Diaz hip tossing Cerrone and holding his head and punching him. If anyone could help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.

I linked to the FanPost.

and I’ll correct the 50 count bit.

This fanpost?
And thanks for the correction.

oh no i missed that one!
added a link to the post

great stuff!

I wonder the size of Diaz’s fists. I’d bet they are small. I have a buddy who was a Gold Glove boxer, and he attributes some of his punching power to having smaller fists. But then again, maybe he is just trying to make himself feel better.

That makes sense

from a physics standpoint. I forget the equation, but I would assume you get more “penetration” with a smaller impact area, given the same amount of velocity/force.

Exactly...

He jokes and says they are more aerodynamic too! Haha

His pitter pat is in an effort to make you move

Once he sees you move he hits with power to the exposed area. Look at the Cyborg fight, he through light body shots till cyborg tried to take his head off and then Diaz shot off a rocket with a punch to his head. Its accumulated damage mixed in with clean effective strikes.
Two fighters like this are JDS and Diaz, they just go in there and take it from you. You either coverup or swing either way your getting smothered.

But JDS's technique is more modern than Nick's.

Nick is a re-application of an old style in a current setting (b/c it allows itself to be used now) while Junior’s stems more from the modern, gloved boxing that we are the most familiar.

Nick goes out there and pretty much collapses the nervous system of his opponent by forcing him to fight at a grinding pace for as long as necessary, but Junior goes out there to take your block off after setting you up properly—though not necessarily with pitter-patter ‘slaps’.

Agreed

JDS and Diaz may both be labeled as “boxers”, but their styles couldn’t be more different.

Kinda makes one think.

We are very lucky to live in an era where pretty much every style is out there to be applied by someone that is smart enough and becomes successful enough, and that we get to see it unfold.

True

We’re seeing a real resurgence of Judo right now, for example, and I think it’s only a matter of time before we start seeing more Thai-style Muay Thai and Chinese styles.

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about the inadequacy of the labels that we apply to fighters and their skill sets. I mean, are Diaz and Cigano really similar enough for us to apply the same label to both of them? Or Anderson and Shogun? Palhares and Werdum? I might write a piece on that.

Cool.

I’d read it.

Im not referring to their styles (in a boxing sense)

I am focusing on an attitude when it comes to strikes. Most MMA fighters are set fighters who pick shots and get into a pattern like if they were working pads. Other fighters get used to it. JDS and Diaz are different they just go for it and people are forced to cover up and just take damage. They aren’t wild though because they know when to get out and then reapply.

GEE THANKS GUYS.

THANKS.

IT MEANS.

A LOT.

A WHOLE LOT.

oh damn!

I’m sorry I totally spaced on your excellent series. will add to the main post.

Hooray attention whoring!

Srsly, thanks.

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