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6 months ago: LAS VEGAS, NV - NOVEMBER 30: Mixed martial arts trainer Greg Jackson holds the Coach of the Year award at the Fighters Only World Mixed Martial Arts Awards 2011 at The Pearl concert theater at the Palms Casino Resort November 30, 2011 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)
Greg Jackson trained fighters have started to carry with them a bit of a stigma. To many fans, Jackson's ability to get some (but certainly not all) of his fighters to stick to strict gameplans that emphasize winning over excitement is more curse than blessing for the sport. In a recent interview with MMA Mania, Jackson discussed exactly that criticism:
I'm not sure. (why game plans are criticized) I will be honest, there have been fights that we have won, that I was like, "Oh man, this one is going to be all over the news." But no one says a word. The Carlos Condit fight was not that controversial. We out struck him, landed more power shots and way more strikes. We had complete Octagon control, we decided when and where the exchanges were going to happen and if we didn't like it, we got away and started again, so you can't really make a case for him (Diaz) doing more damage because we did more damage and you can't make a case for him controlling the fight because we controlled it. So that criticism doesn't bother me that much because It was just more of people's disappointment wanting to see two fighters stand there and swing and last man standing wins. But, you know, fighting is about hitting and not getting hit. We hit him a lot more and we didn't get hit. So I don't feel bad about that one. Listen, there have been times in my 18 years of doing this where I'm like, "How did we win that one?" And I'm like, "What, no one got mad?" No one says a word. A lot of people were just disappointed because a lot of people just wanted Nick to win and because of Nick's style. It is just part of the territory.
There's more in the interview at Mania, with Jackson talking about Nick Diaz's drug test, having fighters from his camp fight each other and the conflict in deciding if he can/should corner Jon Jones against Rashad Evans.
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"fighting is about hitting and not getting hit."
What an astounding concept that people just can’t seem to figure out.
I’ve always enjoyed interviews from him. I like the way he talks about combat.
Hart Thorson - February 20, 2012
agreed
Its such a simple concept.
attgnp - February 20, 2012
Not necessarily easy to execute
But theory it is an easy concept.
Hart Thorson - February 20, 2012
yeah
I mean the idea behind it. The basic key to winning a fight is to hit him more times and harder than he hits you.
attgnp - February 20, 2012
Haha. Yes. I think we agree 100%.
Hart Thorson - February 20, 2012
Its a simple concept that is also the entire basis of martial arts. Capitalize on your opponent’s weaknesses, hit without getting hit. Jackson, as a coach, is doing exactly what he is supposed to do, whether you like it or not.
andrew861 - February 20, 2012
shhhhhhhh
people might catch on to this very thought…
jthin - February 20, 2012
I would simplify that further
and just say that the objective of a fight is to do more harm than your opponent. There are ways to use grappling to harm your opponent without necessarily getting a submission finish.
ElliotMatheny - February 20, 2012
yeah, condit was looking for a decision from the begining of the fight...
condit won the fight but…diaz is the better fighter…
the big question is if every fighter gets in the ring thinking" ok， i m not gonna try to win by beating him physically but rather by scoring" ufc would become so bland… why? do u think we would have seen great moment like anderson silva’s front kick? or showtime matrix kick? if fighters were getting in the ring thinking like that?
alibabarouge - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Diaz might be the better "fighter"
But Condit proved that he’s the better mixed martial artist.
YPG - February 20, 2012
"condit won the fight but…diaz is the better fighter…"
There are three judges and a belt (not to mention Diaz’s face or a fair number of the fans) that would say differently.
Razreshat - February 21, 2012
that sounds like paintball
not fighting
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - February 20, 2012
I guess many of you may not like my opinion on this.
But i actually agree with Jackson over here. GSP has won almost all of his fights thanks to his strict gameplans. I m convinced that this fight was disliked because more people wanted Nick to win it. They found and exhibited his weak points, this has not happenned this way before so i think in many ways it was a revolutionary fight. With this said. I hope Nick Diaz returns to the Octagon because he is just one of a kind.
szanpan - February 20, 2012
Running away
is not a fighters weak spot.
Jason Robillard - February 20, 2012
Having a lack of footwork is.
HaterSlayer - February 20, 2012
Don't forget the weed...
Or the lack of brainpower/discipline/common sense to actually adapt mid-fight…
Kid Kimura - February 20, 2012
PUBLIC APOLOGY ALERT!!!!!!
apparently, some people thought i called someone a ‘fuckin dick’ in this space earlier. in fact, i was responding to hater slayers comment above with a quote from nate diaz during the condit/diaz fight. im sure those of you who are familiar with me understand i dont call people names on here, and havent in over a year. for those of you who arent, i dont, and wont, and im sorry i didnt add more context to my original comment (i figured everyone was familiar with nates statement). thanks.
gspmademegay - February 20, 2012
Haha
Not everyone here hates Jackson. A few very vocal people, but not many. I, personally, enjoyed the Condit fight anyway.
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
do you think he will corner....
carlos if GSP/condit actually happens ? at first i wasnt sure, but after all this time he said he wouldnt corner jones, and then went back on his word, i am beginning to think so.
carmine99 - February 20, 2012
Not even close to the same situation. Rashad left on his own, and is not part of that team. GSP and Condit both still are.
Hardcharger - February 20, 2012 via mobile
No.
You guys need to stop acting like old ladies.
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
I get the criticism of GSP from an entertainment stand point, but it is incredible how he can go in there with world-class fighters and not be in a “fight”. He takes them out of their game and completely dominates great fighters. He’s not winning by miracle late fight subs, or come from behind knockouts, which makes the fights a little boring sometimes, but it is absolutely incredible regardless. The most damage he has taken in almost 5 years was an eyepoke from Shields.
mooseknuckle - February 20, 2012
GSP's gameplanning is overrated
Strike, strike, strike, takedown isn’t the most complex gameplan in the world.
discoandherpes - February 20, 2012
Apparently that's as complex as most opponents need.
Given the existence of John Danaher, I expect GSP’s gameplay could be quite a bit more omplex than that.
Llewdor - February 20, 2012
Point fighting and having a gameplan are not the same
Neither have to be boring, it’s up to the fighter to capitalize in certain situations and finish the fight where possible.
Jaspawokki - February 20, 2012
Not really. There’s no rule where a fighter has to try to finish the fight. He might face the outrage of the fans but he’s not going to be penalized by a ref during the fight (except during cases of extreme stalling).
andrew861 - February 20, 2012
For some people if it’s not a Matt Riddle fight then it’s extreme stalling.
castleeb - February 20, 2012
HE'S MOVING FORWARD AND TAUNTING. THAT'S OCTAGON CONTROL.
andrew861 - February 20, 2012
Condit Displaying His Idea Of Octagon Control / Aggression
Baby Kicks shouldn’t win u fights I’m sorry 48-47 DIAZ!!!
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
So standing there holding your hands out to your side
is octagon control and aggression? Also, kicks hurt bad. Even ones that aren’t that hard add up and pretty soon your leg barely works.
attgnp - February 20, 2012
Yeah Nick Was Limping After the fight im sure lmao.
Let me get this straight u have octagon control because ur running from ur opponent, and telling him no nick i want to trade over here. He walks to u, and u kick him, and now tell him over here… That’s controlling where u fight right. What if NIck don’t go to him and stays in one spot…………. I will give octagon control all day long to fighter walking down his opponent and showing true aggression. The Fighter walking back and running/pedaling (condit did Both) backwards is not the aggressor or controlling where the fight goes. Nick is controlling where the fights goes because he is chasing. If Nick stops then condit has to come to him. Also how can the fighter walking his opponent down is not the aggressor of the fight??? I could care less the taunting Nick did i don’t score that. Also stop saying Nick wasn’t landing because he was. He also pull clinch on condit and had him against the fence “randy couture style” in at least 3 different rounds. I’m not a super nick fan at all i use to hate him but his fun fights won me over. All i’m saying MMA judges need to get their shit together because according tot his decision Machida beat Rampage Jackson 30-27.
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
problems with your faulty logic
1- Machida didnt do any damage to rampage until the third round which he clearly won thus the fight was scored 29-28 Rampage.
2- By Stockton rules, Condit clearly beat Diaz as he had almost no damage to his face while Diaz looked like he went through a decent size bar fight.
3- Do you not understand that fights are judged based on each rounds performance? Even if Diaz did win two rounds decisively and Condit edged out 3 rounds, Condit still wins! It really is not hard to figure out but i guess Diaz nuthuggers wont ever accept it.
4- Final reasoning, Diaz said Diego Sanchez won against Ellenberger. That statement makes me disregard anything said about the judging in the Condit fight.
benten20 - February 20, 2012
Stockton rules - Diaz was more fucked up!
The only time that I’ve seen someone mention Diaz’s personal barometer of who wins the fight in this particular case.
jthin - February 20, 2012
When did he say that?
Lol
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
when did who say what?
benten20 - February 20, 2012
I believe this is the quote he was talking about
The Lethal Haze - February 20, 2012
Sanchez beating Ellenberger is comical and that should really tell you how Nick views judging.
Shatto1 - February 20, 2012
look at the strike count. Nick lost plain and simple. Where did I say Nick wasn’t landing? What Condit was doing is called counter striking. Its not Condits fault Nick is to simple minded to adapt and change his strategy.
attgnp - February 20, 2012
Nick was outstruck. Some of the judges actually had their shit together for this fight.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
yup
And the donkey is in control, not the guy holding the carrot.
Seriously. Nick’s gameplan was to back Condit against the cage and beat on him. Condit wanted to avoid the cage and fight in the open. He quite effectively shut down Nick’s strategy, so yeah, Condit wins octagon control.
iddqd - February 20, 2012
How come people aren't pissed at Diaz for not adjusting his game plan?
jthin - February 20, 2012
I was.
Was annoyed that he kept following Condit instead of cutting him off. And thought he should have tried to grapple more. I wanted that Diaz/GSP fight like most everyone. I just didn’t run to the Internet acting petulant when he lost.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
So... Diaz is exposed?
Hopefully that catches on…
But ya, it’s two guys in there for a fight. Condit was doing his thing and Diaz kept on allowing him to slip out.
Mind, a poster from a couple weeks ago had that excellent write-up on the information that the Diaz corner kept feeding him. That was enlightening to why Nick didn’t change his plan.
jthin - February 20, 2012
Sorry, I have a major major issue with...
… you characterising what Diaz’s corner was feeding him, as “information”
Try “bullshit”
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012
I was,
especially after I saw how fast he got Condit’s back. Plus I kept yelling at the screen at the coaches telling Nick he’s doing great.
DankNabbot - February 20, 2012
Walking down your opponent by itself is not Octagon control simply because it’s not predicated by offense. Condit was moving backwards, but he was throwing strikes, and they were connecting. It was the case of Condit being the matador, and Diaz being the bull. Condit was the guy in control.
chrisbboy82 - February 20, 2012
Oh
I thought your comment with the gif was sarcastic.
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
lol, forget that
If another grown man slaps you in the face, you fight that guy or die trying dammit
and no, I don’t need a long ass reply about how he fought a smart fight. There’s a whole article above me for that
Full Mount - February 20, 2012
baby kicks > talking.
Phildo - February 20, 2012
and if the whole fight had looked that :30
you’d have a point.
T.P. Grant - February 20, 2012
It’s pretty amazing just how relaxed Condit stays even throughout the taunting and the bitch slap.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
agreed
jthin - February 20, 2012
Especially after Diaz held on to his foot after the bell
3rd or 4th round I think. Clearly very disrespectful, and Condit completely ignored it. Incredible composure.
Shaun32887 - February 20, 2012
so you showed the round that almost everyone agrees that diaz won? Carlos won 48-47 deal with it
benten20 - February 20, 2012
BE's play-by-play had Condit winning the first 4 rounds.
If I remember correctly, 3 was the most dominant for Diaz IMO, and 4 was the most dominant for Condit, and 1, 2, and 5 were all close. But I think I saw so much shit on the topic afterwards that I’ve forgotten the actual fight.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
BE gave it four rounds to 1 but im trying to be nice by not writing 49-46 for the mad troll
benten20 - February 20, 2012
Yeah, I don’t even care about that fight anymore. I mean, Bendo/Edgar is in 5 days!
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
im so pumped for this fight!
benten20 - February 20, 2012 via mobile
words can't describe my expectations for that fight
And I am almost 100% sure they’ll live up to it.
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
unless ofcourse....
someone goes in there with a flu and just plays the point game, frankie has always been an in & out fighter, it was maynard who brought the best out of him.
something about maynard, that forced frankie to turn on his brawl mode, what if he goes back to old frankie, the one who fought bj ? then we have a dud in our hands. idk, im doin my best to keep my hopes in the medium range.
carmine99 - February 20, 2012
Sounds like somebody didn’t see Edgar/Griffin at UFC 67.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
Edgar generally fights the same way. Maynard left that opening for Frankie to finish him, but he was generally fighting the way that he always fights.
With Penn vs Edgar II, Edgar was actually hitting Penn with many power right hands, but with Penn’s chin and hard head, Penn just kept taking them like they were nothing.
I don’t know if Edgar tries to point fight, but it seems that he just doesn’t always have the power to finish opponents (or his opponents have good chins) standing except for his last fight where Maynard was open for that uppercut and taking accumulative damage.
chrisbboy82 - February 20, 2012
Frankie's fights against BJ were quite good IMHO
You may not like his stick and move point fighting style, but I think he does it very effectively… and when opportunities arise (as with Maynard) I think he has the instinct to finish… but most of the time he doesn’t have the power so he plays the game that works.
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012
this is
the greatest gif of all time
standNbang - February 20, 2012
What?
What?
I’m sorry, I can’t hear you over Nick Diaz losing to Carlos Condit. What?
MicahtheCynic - February 20, 2012
Riddle is so bad.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
I always forget that he trains Leonard Garcia.
euthanatos - February 20, 2012
No worries
Leonard Garcia always forgets that anyone has ever coached him at all.
Dodectagon - February 20, 2012
Something in the Water at Jacksons
Idk how those Greg Jackson fighters do it, but they always winning fights they lost
Leonard Garcia got free wins over Nam, Korean Zombie, and some people even say over Jameel.
Condit got a free win over Ellenberger, The Rory fight stoppage was complete B.S, and the Diaz fight well is 50-50.
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
They're aware of the judges and what styles favor getting points on the scorecard
Bloody L - February 20, 2012
You could easily make a case for Condit winning any of those.
In fact, I’d say most who have actually watched the fight between him and ellenberger scored it for Condit, And Rory was getting pounded into hamburger.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
Rory was tired with a few seconds left
Condit’s punches weren’t even that hard, and when the ref stopped it he wasn’t postured up or throwing anything.
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
The ref could’ve let the fight continue and it wouldn’t have been a bad call, but Rory was taking a beating in that third round, his face was a mess.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
Yeah, Condit beat Ellenberger. Had him mounted and back mounted in round 3, when Ellenberger was a fish on the ground. And that was during Condit’s short stint at AZ combat sports.
Hardcharger - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Yeah Condit beat Ellenberger...... go watch it again
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
Again you post the one .gif that supports your argument.
Please watch the fight. Ellenberger had a huge first round, some say a 10-8, but Condit came back strong and won the last two. It was an awesome fight.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
I have seen the fight
The Majority believe Ellenberger won round 1 and 2. Their is no argument that
like usual Condit made a comeback (like the rory fight) and won round 3. I scored it 29-28 Ellenberger.
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
Hi
I don’t think Majority means your 209 crew. It means most people.
Scott Whitaker - February 20, 2012
Calm down I don't live in that crappy state
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
My bad
Saw your grammar and made the assumption.
Scott Whitaker - February 21, 2012
Wow, I'm pretty sure you're a retard.
Nobody’s arguing that Ellenberger won the first round, and posting that .gif really isn’t doing your argument any good. Go watch the fight in its entirety before you post here again. You don’t seem to understand how rounds in an MMA fight work. Are you related to the Diaz family at all?
savik - February 20, 2012
I'm just going to say to u FUCK U
Apparently if anybody does not agree with u they are retarded… U must be the smartest transvestite in the world. I think u should be the one that goes and re watches the fight because you have no clue what happened in it.
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
BANNED!
Well not yet, but its gonna happen soon.
Chris Hall - February 20, 2012 via Android app
For?
He the one calling me a retard…. he deserved the Fuck U lmao
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
lolumad - February 20, 2012
its spelled you, not U
attgnp - February 20, 2012
Way to misinterpret what I’m trying to say. Try putting up a coherent argument instead of just saying “Condit lost” and posting .gifs that don’t exactly back up your claims. By the way, your sig is stupid. Dumbfuck.
savik - February 20, 2012
What u want me to baby u???
Go re watch the fight and u will see that Ellenberger won. If u don’t then ur blind. I’m not going to baby u and breakdown the whole fight for u, and waste my time with ya. Now don’t u have an appointment with the golden gate bridge that your late for???
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
What u want me 2 baby u?
Go re watch the Ellenberger vs Condit, and u will see who clearly won. I’m not going to break down the fight for ya, and baby feed you why Ellenberger won. Now plz hurry up ur late for your golden gate bridge appointment.
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
Hahaha
and RIGHT after this gif ends Condit grabs a single leg and regains control.
Let it go man.
Condit lost this round and won the fight.
Shaun32887 - February 20, 2012
Can't Believe u all think Condit really beat Ellenberger
Idk what else to say other than WOW. So these are the idiots judging MMA fights. I always wonder where these retards came from….
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
Nice. I see you’re good at making friends.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
Aren't we all friends here??? lol
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
Condit won that fight fair and square
That fight reminded me of GSP vs Penn 1. BJ had a 10-9 round then GSP easily took rounds 2 and 3. :)
voiceinthedesert - February 20, 2012
Actually, that's an inconsistent concept
If judges favor the charge forward guy, then Diaz should win; but if they don’t then Garcia shouldn’t have won… The judges do not consistently favor certain styles IMHO
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012
the stoppage of rory was totally fine. he wasnt intelligently defending himself and was having his head used as a punching bag.
benten20 - February 20, 2012
I am not a fan.
malo - February 20, 2012 via mobile
The thing about the Diaz/Condit fight
and every other “point fighting” fight is that I think you all fail to realize that if the opponent gets hurt the fighter will go after them. There is this really cool fighter named Lyoto Machida who does this exact thing.
I would be willing to bet that if Cruz had someone wobbling he would try to finish.
Last point, Edgar v Maynard 3. How awesome was that? Edgar was “point fighting”, “dancing”, blah blah and softening Maynard up until he got the finish. That to me was so exciting to watch.
At the end of the day though, different strokes I guess.
Hart Thorson - February 20, 2012
Exactly
Condit was throwing hard shots, and in almost every one of his UFC wins, he’s cool and collected, and then turns into a killer as soon as he rocks his opponent.
Carlos Condit: the perfect blend of skill, composure, intelligence and killer instinct.
Shaun32887 - February 20, 2012
I find it funny that people still criticize Jackson’s methods, despite all the success he’s gained from them.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
BECAUSE GREG JACKSON RUINED THE SPORT AND TURNED EVERY FIGHTER HE HAS INTO A BORING POINT FIGHTER!!!!
i dont know how to do sarcasm font sorry
benten20 - February 20, 2012
The meme still exists though that Greg Jackson is turning his fighters into point fighters despite many of them getting Fight of the Night, KO of the Night, and Sub of the Night. Even guys who know their MMA very well like Kid Nate feels: “I have nothing against a slow, methodical strategy if the goal is to dominate and win but I can’t stand the hit and run, run up the score style of fighting that Jackson seems to be encouraging his fighters to adopt.”
With Condit vs Diaz, I kind of felt that Condit fought the way that he did because Diaz has a granite chin and is a very dangerous opponent who will just keep moving forward no matter what. Against someone else, I really don’t think Condit would fight like he did. I don’t think that Jackson is trying to make his fighters into point fighters as guys like Cerrone, Jones, Stann, and many others simply aren’t point fighters.
chrisbboy82 - February 20, 2012
There is a lot of confirmation bias with Greg Jackson
If his fighters go out there and put on an awesome fight then no one says anything. If his fighters put on a boring fight then everyone talks about how he’s ruining the sport. When someone from AKA, Blackhouse, or wherever put on a bad fight no one talks about how terrible their trainer is. Koscheck LNP’d his way to a title shot over Paul Daley and no one bashed their head trainer. Dude even has the guy who is considered the most boring fighter in the sport(Jon Fitch) under him and still avoids it.
HaterSlayer - February 20, 2012
Good points
How long has Condit been with Jackson? I don’t recall a bad word about Condit before…
jthin - February 20, 2012
Condit is the best finisher in the business.
The only thing he did wrong was beating Diaz, who has many avid followers, in the most important fight of his life while using a gameplan that worked beautifully.
voiceinthedesert - February 20, 2012
I know what you mean. There are guys like Fitch and Woodley that really try to game the system. They fight in a way that they’ll get a takedown, but just stay busy enough to stay on top control because the fighter on top is seen as winning the round. In my opinion, I think that is more reprehensible than point fighting on the feet.
chrisbboy82 - February 20, 2012
Have you watched the Kos/Daley fight?
The first two rounds Koscheck was passing guard and going for subs.
discoandherpes - February 20, 2012
I agree. The lnp story of that fight has been seriously inflated. In both the first and second rounds Kos came very close to finishing with an rnc.
Chris Hall - February 20, 2012 via Android app
Put an @ before and after what you write
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
The less that know, the better.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
okay then
TO EVERYONE WHO READ THAT: I LIED AND UT TURNS YOU INTO CB DOLLAWAY
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
Good cover
Chris Hall - February 20, 2012 via Android app
Random question can anybody tell me where i can get Gifs or make them?
benten20 - February 20, 2012
gifsoup
iddqd - February 20, 2012
is he serious?
Exploiting the rules and the judges is lame and next to cheating.. this just lost him some fans
Jason Robillard - February 20, 2012
Greg doesn't need fans... He just needs successful fighters. And he has that, due to his methods you hate.
Zachary Kater - February 20, 2012
I totally just read this as “he plays by the rules and it’s practically cheating”
jthin - February 20, 2012
buh bye
halitosis - February 20, 2012 via mobile
He’s talking about gameplanning, which is not necessarily the same as gaming the system. Many of his fighters like Stann, Cerrone, and Jones (to name a few) are finishers, and they don’t fight in a way that exploits the rules. Also, many of his fighters aren’t lay n pray fighters (GSP passes guard, or throws ground n pound, and does not just lie on his opponent), which really exploits the system that ‘the guy on top is winning the fight.’
chrisbboy82 - February 20, 2012
I have no objections to gaming the system.
If the system is gameable, I have a responsibility to myself to game it.
Llewdor - February 20, 2012
Know what I hate?
Fighters that are too unskilled or lazy to learn decent footwork to catch stick-and-movie fighters and ones that can’t learn takedown defense or ground escapes well enough to avoid a good Fitching. Seriously, why support a fighter that has made the conscious decision to be second tier?
Enmascarado - February 20, 2012
Bravo!
voiceinthedesert - February 20, 2012
lol troll is lol
Body Triangle - February 20, 2012
sorry I know we're not supposed to say troll
but this is ridiculous.
Body Triangle - February 20, 2012
GREG! GREG! GREG JACKSON! Goddamn it.
Greg, make your fighter fight to their opponents strengths, get some fans.
Sugel Mendoza - February 20, 2012
HOW DARE HE LOOK AT THE OFFICIAL CRITERIA FOR WINNING AND TRY TO ACHIEVE THEM?!
CHEATER! CHEATER!
Shaun32887 - February 20, 2012
Like come on
Everyone thinks that us fans want fighters to go in there blindly and fight stupid.. well thats retarded. We just dont want pussy ruining the sport… WTF
Jason Robillard - February 20, 2012
Not a fan of women's MMA huh?
Hart Thorson - February 20, 2012
oh
lol
Jason Robillard - February 20, 2012
They have fans????
Alfxtream - February 20, 2012
when they remove their clothes they do
Otherwise … not really
glib_mf - February 20, 2012
Was that "WTF" in response to your own ridiculous thoughts?
Because you could have just hit the delete button and we’d never have to read something so stupid.
krcampbell - February 20, 2012
Come on, son.
It’s never a bad thing for anyone to take a ride on the pussy train.
Sugel Mendoza - February 20, 2012
"Exploiting the rules"??
Mein Gott… isn’t the point of playing any sport, to win within the rule set? If the rule set allows something or says that you score points for doing something, of course fighters will do it. The coach’s JOB is to teach the fighter to win using methods that the rules score you points for, or allow you to finish your opponent with. Don’t blame the coaches if you don’t like the ruleset. If judges reward lay n pray, you can be sure there will be some fighters that will do it – those who come from a sport that gave them those skills. If the ruleset awards backing off and counterstriking, some fighters will do that.
If you want to see more toe to toe fights, what you should be encouraging is a rule change that clearly states that backing off, wall n stall, or lay n pray is to be scored negatively, or else the ref can award a point deduction. Just don’t blame the coaches that teach their guys how to win under UFC rules and the prevailing judging mentality.
Arca MMA - February 20, 2012
If I want to see great toe to toe fights
I watch the real thing: boxing. Seriously, I agree with your point of view. IMO, as I long as both guys are working and have decent technique, I love it.
voiceinthedesert - February 20, 2012
reply fail!
sorry that was for Arca
voiceinthedesert - February 20, 2012
Why did Tyson pull in great PPV's
While the klitschko’s are a bane to the sport? Because no one wants to see 25 minutes of pitter patter, can’t catch me I’m the gingerbread man! style fighting. The general public tunes in to see a FIGHT, not a sport. If they don’t adjust the rules MMA will become stale like mainstream boxing.
jaybot3 - February 20, 2012
The Klitschko brothers can be exciting, but as safety-first boxers they need to be pushed into fighting.
And those guys are enormous draws, just not in the US. There’s much more to marketing a fight than just the expected outcome.
lolumad - February 20, 2012
Boxing is lost on me, I would rather shoot on that forward leg
but Chisora did chase down and engage Klitschko, But Klitschko would walk backwards and be HUEG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - February 20, 2012
Vitaly does at least throw power shots.
Wlad has a much more cautious style.
Llewdor - February 20, 2012
Oh, the announcers were spinning it like Wlad had something to prove by fighting backwards
hrmn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - February 21, 2012
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