Bloody Elbow

Somebody needs to put up the one with all the trolls dancing. I remember a person posting it after Fitch got KO’d

Hey man!

You don’t call JCVD a troll, he’s a great man!!

just saw Nick leave the event in the back

F.U.B.A.R - February 5, 2012 reply

I enjoy how he circles to the left just like Condit was doing

jthin - February 5, 2012 reply

wow

wHat a sore loser

Bloodsport - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

i dont know about thrilling

i can see how condit won but was not in his usual manner, been a while since i seen a fighter win by backing up all fight

Kronic - February 5, 2012 reply

Its hard to win whilemoving backwards

That said, did enough to win two rounds, IMO.

I was surprised to hear he won the 1st or 2nd, only because he was so tentative and Diaz was controlling the fight.

I can't believe Brent, who I usually agree with

and a lot of people here, who I also usually agree with, scored either of the first two, much less both of them, for Condit. I need to watch them again, because they were clear, clear Diaz rounds for me. Not all strikes are created equal, and countering a hard shot to the head that lands flush with a partially checked leg kick is not an equal exchange, not even close.

I scored the first for Condit and the second for Diaz.

castleeb - February 5, 2012 reply

Brent also picked Condit.

Wasn't what I

Expected but I do think Condit won.

RiZE - February 5, 2012 reply

Amazing display of counter-punching by Condit. He was beating Diaz to the punch (and kick) every time.

I am smiling from ear to ear right now.

bad decision.

backpedaling and leg kicks. yawn.

you obviously didn't watch the fight

Earl Montclair - February 5, 2012 reply

i watched the whole fight.

backpedaling is not entertaining. I found the whole fight frustrating to watch. I almost stopped watching it during the 4th.

I imagine most Diaz fans found it frustrating that their favorite fighter couldn’t back up his claims of being the number one welterweight in the world.

It wasn’t true. It was never damn true.

Eh

I’m a huge fan but it is what it is. Carlos won a well fought decision.

If that's how Condit is going to fight then I am just THRILLED to see what he has in store for us next.

His incorporation of jogging into MMA was quite innovative.

Do you guys making fun of Condits back-pedaling strategy also make fun of Jon Jones for doing it too? Or are you just butt hurt? It’s called movement and it’s been a key part of fighting since the dawn of time.

yea cuz jones won soo many decisions runnig backwards hahahaha

NW Okie - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Cracks me up that the level headed logical response is the only one not green’d

Day Man - February 5, 2012 reply

I'm not even a diaz fan.

I just dont enjoy condits game plan. I dont like Cruz either for much the same reason. If you enjoy watching Kalib Starnes fight, more power to you.

Kalib ran.

Condit countered like a bawss. Huge difference.

kreally - February 5, 2012 reply

Scoring is not based upon enjoyment.

Or Octagon Control

according to the score cards tonight.

Ionnes - February 5, 2012 reply

"Cage control" is a 2- way street.

Sure, Diaz was able to take the center of the octagon, but Condit was also able to move around him with ease the entire time. If you don’t think Carlos used the fighting space masterfully, you are a blind fool.

I think you define control

as being able to be where you want to be, and your opponent where you want him to be. Carlos was not where Nick wanted him to be, and he was pretty much always where he wanted to be.

Exactly.

Nick backed Condit against the fence a few times, and I give him credit for that. I saw “Cage Control” as largely neutral in this fight (even though ultimately, I think it’s a stupid metric.

Pick a different sport.

krste - February 5, 2012 reply

condit put some miles on that bike

you continue to fail to grasp what makes people Nick Diaz fans

it’s not a belief that he’s the best in the world. It’s a love of his attitude and capacity for violence.

My enjoyment of him is undiminished. If he had gotten the decision, GSP would have surely beat him anyway, so it’s really probably a wash.

When and if he chooses to fight again, or box, or do full contact triathlons over on G4 or whatever, I’ll look forward to watching him again with the same anticipation.

And I should probably thank him and Condit for saving me the PPV money I won’t have to spend watching the 170 unification fight.

Backpedaling?

Maybe i misunderstand what back-pedalling is, to me that means that are being forced back by strikes either kicks punches knees, elbows, moving to put yourself in position so you have the upper hand is not back-pedalling to me

kieranski - February 5, 2012 reply

He did back pedal

and literally turned his back and ran at times.

Not saying he didn’t land strikes.

If anything it was frontpedalling

Jason Robillard - February 5, 2012 reply

Well

he was actually run away with his back turned at times… thats week

Right, so you're just frustrated that Condit didn't stand in front of Diaz like every other fighter he's ever faced. Got it.

its not even standing and trading.

there was very very little engagement. It was leg kicks, backpedaling, and running around the cage. Condit ran, diaz pressed.

Very little engagement? Just because it’s not Diaz on Diaz hot flurry action doesn’t mean there’s very little engagement.

there was very little engagement

Take off your condit glasses and watch the fight objectively.

I can honestly say 100% I am indomitable in my ability to not give an atom's worth of fuck for Carlos Condit.

I don’t think I’ve typed his name before today. There’s no Condit glasses.

Literally, I'm sure.

I am starting to get pissed

Look, Diaz could have won that fight easily. If he got that takedown about a minute and a half earlier, or if he showed a sense of fucking urgency, he had that fight. And if he was a little bit fucking smarter, he would have realized that his gameplan wasn’t gettting the results he wanted much earlier, and changed levels. I also love that he doesn’t get that, I get why we love Nick. But I am frustrated because in the minute he goes to the ground he’s in fantastic position and clearly dominant on the ground. He had back control with a lock on and he didn’’t finish it. He didn’t because he thought he was winning, so he coasted a bit. He himself said so. That fight was too close for him to be sure of winning, and he needs to learn from this. And he should have opened 5 with that takedown, and he would have won.

True that

It’s fucking ridiculous that people would think he should just stand there and let Nick beat up on him. His movement, angles, and combinations at range were what won him the fight.

eyeIess - February 5, 2012 reply

Hopefully some of Nick Diaz’s fans retire with him. Condit put on a clinic and you should appreciate that. Oh, and you missed the headkicks, elbows, and beautiful combinations from Condit as well.

yes please

Condit was the better man.

And he would be a solid favorite in a re-match.

Charlie Custer - February 5, 2012 reply

yes the running and back pedaling looked funny

but he was very effective and landed some solid shots. You see that head kick?

Frank Lee - February 5, 2012 reply

*headkicks

Yea that was a good one

There were some good counters, but overall, the fight was boring. Would you rewatch it? If I could go tell myself not to watch it, I would.

Yes I would.

Frank Lee - February 5, 2012 reply

Not many times do you see a game plan executed 100% correctly

Frank Lee - February 5, 2012 reply

If you love watching Jackson fighters, my hat's off to you

I wish I had your patience.

Yeah those Jackson fighters...

Who would ever enjoy watching Condit, Cerrone, Jones, etc. They’re simply bad and they should feel bad.

Notable by omission: GSP

I consider him Tristar at this point. That is where he spends the vast majority of his time.

But I do love watching GSP fight for what it’s worth.

Well I'm glad you can enjoy that sort of wrestling style.

Going back to Condit, if this is how he’s going to fight from now on, then count me out.

First of all the fight wasn't bad, imo.

Second, there is no reason to assume that this will be his style from here on out. He was backing up and countering because Diaz goes forwards throwing far more intensely than anyone else. Usually Condit is the aggressor but this fight necessitated a different strategy. Condit has somewhere around a 93% finishing rate which is insanely high. If you’re even questioning if you will watch his next fight than please silently leave because the real fans are trying to enjoy a good fight.

Definitely would watch again

Carlos didn’t lose his mind in a frenzy like Nick’s usual opponents do. He worked just as hard as Nick to be very active over 25 minutes.

eyeIess - February 5, 2012 reply

really? brilliance?

anderson against forrest was brilliance. this was a close fight that carlos seemingly came into with point fighting on his mind. im not trying to knock him by saying that. I think he edged it out (barely) and he is one of my favorite fighters but it just seemed really clear that he trained to nullify diaz’s attack more so than do heavy damage of his own, and there is nothing wrong with that. im just a little dissapointed by the fight and how condit backpedalled so much.

maybe that is because Diaz is a better fighter...

…compared to Condit, than Forrest was compared to Anderson?

burakkuburain - February 5, 2012 reply

good point.

people didnt reaLLY feel that way at the time though. believe it or not i was lookingat an old thread from this site from when silva vs james irvin was announced and about half the people commenting thought irvin would be able to ko Anderson.

how was anderson vs forrest brilliance?

Anderson=fast Forrest = slow. Anderson didn’t need a strategy other than"beat the shit out of this slow-ass fool!"

Condit looked ok and did well avoiding Diaz's strengths. He fought a good fight.

But that’s far from what I would call brilliance.

pdl - February 5, 2012 reply

it's brilliant if you hate Nick Diaz

Otherwise it was pretty underwhelming. Good game plan I guess, but Condit isn’t Floyd Mayweather, and watching him try to impersonate him isn’t all that edifying.

I don't hate Nick Diaz-

in fact, I respect him so much, that when someone completely negates his aggressive, swarm- punching style, and hits him with all 8 points, I consider that a hell of a performance.

I don't get why you aren't pissed at Diaz

Not understanding what fight he was actually in. Because he could have easily won that fight if he went to the ground sooner, if he realized he needed another tactic. In the short time they were on the ground it was obvious that Nick was far above him skill-wise, and if he showed some urgency he had that choke too. I’m pissed he didn’t change levels sooner and get sub of the night.

I’m not really mad at anyone. Going into this fight, I would have told you that Condit and Diaz were probably my two favorite 170 pounders in the UFC.

I don’t think that what Condit did was as good a strategy as people are making it out to be. You usually don’t win an MMA fight going backwards. You usually don’t win an MMA fight landing leg kicks (unless you buckle your opponent, which Condit didn’t). You usually lose an MMA fight if you’re getting your head snapped back by punches, and you aren’t doing the same to your opponent.

I was honestly a little stunned by the judging. I can see an argument for giving the last three rounds to Condit (it’s not an argument I agree with), but the number of people and judges, and folks here, who gave Condit 1 and or 2 just amazes me. I feel like we were watching different fights.

Ultimately, I was looking forward to this fight more than any fight since Belfort-Silva or Diaz-Daley, and unlike those fights, it really didn’t live up to my lofty expectations.

Giving Condit #2 is crazy, agreed, but Fightmetric has Condit winning #1 somthing like 68-56 (close, but a Condit win).

Does it really ‘amaze’ you when someone gives Condit round #1? Maybe you just think that Diaz took a really close one.

I just don't see the strikes in #1 as equivocal

leg kicks are like body shots. You put them in the bank for later, but you don’t necessarily expect them to score huge points. In both 1 and 2, Nick landed barrages that clearly hurt Condit, and Condit didn’t do the same in return. When I’m scoring a fight, I’m looking at the quality of strikes, not the quantity, and I just thought Nick had the more meaningful offense.

Fair enough.

Was it as entertaining as we thought it would be? No

Was it effective? Yes

effective and brilliant aren't synonyms.

Following a gameplan

Not getting suckered into a brawl by Nick Diaz taunting. It’s pretty brilliant since nobody has done it before.

not getting suckered into a brawl is not "brilliant"

his kicks were really really good, his gameplan was good albeit boring, but brilliant? i dunno it just seemed like a normal kinda performance to me, werdum put on a more brilliant fight than he did. people (me being one of them) are over reacting to this fight, they are either pissed that condit won or thrilled that diaz lost, i dont see the brilliance though. i see a good gameplan from a good fighter

Think of it like this

I say brilliant because nobody was able to pull of a gameplan like this against Diaz. Condit could and did it really well. I say brilliant because nobody else was able to do it.

It's brilliant because

a) no one’s done it before,

b) it required impeccable cardio and self-control, and

c) if Condit ever messed up once and lost his cool, or got trapped, or tired himself out, he would have been dunzo. He had to stick flawlessly to his plan in the heat of the moment, in the face of taunts.

James Kimbell - February 5, 2012 reply

Polishing a turd

Doesn’t make it any less shitty.

Ionnes - February 5, 2012 reply

Ha!

Rolandando - February 5, 2012 reply

GSP is going to wreck Mr. Condit.

Tim Bernier - February 5, 2012 reply

I sense a wrestlefucking upcoming

I think it will be a scramble fest.

No matter the outcome, Condit will make Georges have to FIGHT. I actually think that Diaz is a harder style matchup for GSP.

well yeah

Earl Montclair - February 5, 2012 reply

After watching tonight, it didn't matter who won, because neither man had anything that could even remotely threaten GSP.

Condit has a chance

Especially with GSP’s injury. But not much

sitnam90 - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

stupid statement

diaz and condit have nothing that can threaten GSp? have u ever been in a fight of any sort? did u see diaz’s hands tonight? condits kicks? GSP is human. when was the last time gsp fought someone like diaz (never, no one even close to diaz’s style) when was the last time gsp has fought someone like condit? Alves? GSP is a GREAT fighter but so is nick and so i carlos. Matt Serra knocked out gsp for gods sake.

Well,

GSP will take it to the ground. And in the short time they spent there tonight, Diaz was far better. I thought there was some exposure here.

yea but after that showing, Nick didnt stand a chance at not getting his feelings hurt by GSP

F.U.B.A.R - February 5, 2012 reply

Most likely.

I think it will be interesting to see how the knee injury affects his level changing. People joke about Gurgel’s propensity to stand and bang, but he does it because he doesn’t have the knees to shoot anymore.

Queue the outrage that Condit "ran" the whole time. What I saw was a man who executed the perfect game plan tonight.

OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy - February 5, 2012 reply

This so fucking hard.

ditto

I taunted him like 3 times per round and the judges didn’t score that for me? fuck that i’m done with this shit

Haha, well said my man

Well

i think carlos executed the perfect game plan also but……that game plan was to stay on his bicycle and interupt diaz’s rythm and combinations. who are you kidding. the guy ran, literally,he ran. i mean how can you say he didnt.

Nick pulled one of these

Damon O. - February 5, 2012 reply

Is Condit the guy running away?

they drive the same car, too

Boom!

Condit is the guy running away, right?

Bravo, sir

Hungry for those Recs aren’t you?

Damon O. - February 5, 2012 reply

Well if anyone wasn’t aware of it before, Nick is a vagina. His post fight speech really pissed me off.

great fight, good riddance Nick. Punk.

JayT86 - February 5, 2012 reply

It wasn’t a bad fight, but I didn’t find it particularly thrilling either.

Simen - February 5, 2012 reply

Yeah

It had moments but was far from thrilling.

Carlos did a great job of sticking to a game plan but he literally turned his back and ran at least 10 times.

49-46 seemed like the clear score. Nick can say he was landing baby shots, but baby shots are better than no shots at all. Nick comes off as a really sore loser as well.

KeVbK - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

49-46 is bullshit.

Haywire - February 5, 2012 reply

Carlos figured him out. Where Nick’s other opponents backed against the cage and absorbed those high volumes of punches, Condit brilliantly ducked and weaved his way away, and Nick couldn’t land enough.

Tim Bernier - February 5, 2012 reply

I was very, VERY impressed by how smart Condit fought

not every fight is a slobberknocker. He must have landed about 80 kicks. Very much looking forward to the fightmetric on this

This.

To be honest, I thought Cyborg figured Diaz out, then he gassed and got armbarred. Condit had his way with Diaz.

Cyborg did the same thing

leg kick the shit out of Diaz and stay away from the cage. He then decided to get into Diaz’s guard and get submitted.

Jeremy Couturier - February 5, 2012 reply

Exactly.

Nick backs you against the cage and then swarms. Condit refused to get into infighting, maintaining range and landing long strikes.

And those strikes were NASTY. Nick’s head is just made of granite. Anyone who calls that point fighting is seriously deluded.

Shaun32887 - February 5, 2012 reply

I have yet to pick a fight right

….well a major one anyway. I should just bet the opposite of who I pick and I’ll clean up! I really wanted to see GSP-Diaz but I suppose its not to be…oh well

Sirus - February 5, 2012 reply

Wasn’t the fight of the year I expected, but still a good fight. Glad the judges got it right, Condit landed better throughout. I had it 48-47 Condit, but I had a feeling it was going to piss some people off no matter what the outcome.

dpk875 - February 5, 2012 reply

DIAZ is exposed. wow that was awesome, i lost points on that shit but Condit is a real martial artists. Read the Art of War in your down time Nick while hating your dad.

LOL like the Art of War will magically transform you into some kind of inscrutable martial arts master with all the wisdom of the Orient.

I wish white people would stop fellating Sun Tzu all the time. It’s a 3,000 year old military treatise, not some kind of font of ancient wisdom.

Jeremy Couturier - February 5, 2012 reply

IT’S SARCASM. Do you think DIAZ evens reads? Really?

Can't remember the last time I SARCASTICALLY told someone to read a book.

I’m pretty sure the reason why you hate Diaz isn’t because he’s not a traditional intellecutal.

Also because he comes across as an idiot, jackass, foolish, dick.

whoa, total kalib starnes flashback.

this was a shit fight to me. so disappointed. not that diaz lost but that the fight was a dud.

total kalib starnes flashback.

put that finger back in your ass. dude was running backwards the whole fight. it was not worthy of a belt.

Kinda like this guy?

You might want to get up to date on this whole MMA thing and how it works.

That's what I was telling my wife

who is pissed about the decision.

He got his Machida on.

On the bright side, we learned that Carlos was wrong. Nick will just walk through a shin to the head.

I think Condit did alot more damage than Lyoto when he's in "Macheetah" mode

i like both machida and cruz, i am also a big fan of condit, usually. this fight was disappointing to say the least. i thought it was a toss up about who would win, but did not expect this at all. greg jackson is both a genius and an asshole.

That comparison is an insult to Machida.

GhostMilk - February 5, 2012 reply

Machida won the belt by stopping the champion.

His backing up is part of his style. He does the step back to his left thing then once his opponent follows he steps forward with a straight left or left kick, thats different then running from exchanges, you know what i mean. im not knocking condit but the way machida backs up during fights nd the way condit was in this fight are two fairly different things.

That was Condit's 2nd decision

In 28 wins. One fight is one fight.

wonderfulspam - February 5, 2012 reply

But…

seriously, hold a while. I’m looking for a excuse here.

Empty Thoughts - February 5, 2012 reply

sooo

condit is supposed to let Diaz trap him on the fence and dig to the body?

T.P. Grant - February 5, 2012 reply

Yup

That’s how you win. Staying on the pocket and getting hit in the body

Krimson - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Not worthy of a belt lol another diaz troll.

youfailme91 - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Starnes lost 30-24 on one card, didn't he? This was nothing close to that

Dino756 - February 5, 2012 reply

That was nothing like Kalib Starnes.

dpk875 - February 5, 2012 reply

Fail comparison is fail.

I wish I could un-rec this post.

eyeIess - February 5, 2012 reply

Hate the fact a guy can get outlanded 51% to 32% on arm strikes and win because he landed 104 leg kicks that did nothing to stop his opponent.

FlyByKnight - February 5, 2012 reply

whoa whoa where you get those stats?

CompuStrike. Checked it right after the fight ended.

FlyByKnight - February 5, 2012 reply

compustrike is kind of whack. waiting for fightmetric

Agreed.

Cecil Peoples is that you?

BilboMcFonzie - February 5, 2012 reply

A. Leg Kicks Matter. B. Compustrike is well far from credible.

“Leg kicks matter”

Tell that to Donald Cerrone.

FlyByKnight - February 5, 2012 reply

?

I don’t get where you’re going with this.

Right here

Are kicks supposed to be registered as less important strikes in your head or something? Little fun fact you probably don’t know.. the legs are stronger than the arms. They’re also harder to control and risk your balance when striking with them. Suck it up.

…he landed 104 leg kicks that did nothing to stop his opponent.

The punches also didn’t stop either fighter so what’s your point?

i agree but thats just how mma is though

props tp condit for being able to get off so many kics though, that takes huge skill, didnt work so well for cerrone agaisnt nate.MMa judging is horribly basic, whenever i see a fight lie this and i try to figure out who the judges are going to give it to, i try to think of the fight in THE MOST BASIC FORM, i try to look at it like a person who has never seen an mma fight, seriously. I think this fight was a draw but i knew condit would get it bc of the fact that his kicks are more flashy and noticeable, alot of those punches diaz was landing were AMAZING, his hands looked good when he got on the inside,REALLY GOOD. this guys defisntely has the best boxing in mma, his punches are so straight and accurate, ive had 30 some amateur bxing fights and i can surely say diaz is improving immensely with his hands as is his brother. the way diaz was snapping condits head back was impressive. those are the shots that hurt, the accurate ones. I just knew that the judges wouldnt score them though (WHAT THE FUCK IS CECIL PEOPLES DOING JUDging A title fight in 2012 by the way). you see this alot in mma, noticeable visible things like takedowns and kicks score but body shots and inside fighting dont as much

Yeah, because your arms are so much more powerful than your legs!

Oh wait.

Greg Jackson is ruining MMA

Carlos was on his bike tonight…GSP vs Condit…Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

oousty - February 5, 2012 reply

loololollololoolol

lol @ u

you're the dirt worst in this thread

step up yr game

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Say what you want about this guy, but he really knows how to link to one of them fancy moving picture things!

flyingkneetoface - February 5, 2012 reply

lol, dirtwurst

lolumad - February 5, 2012 reply

MJ

you so crazy!

A "thrilling affair"?

Must have missed that part.

You see the sour look on GSP’s face? I guess it’s some sort of justice that the Jackson Point Fighting System ended up coming back to bite him in the ass. Probably just watched an extra few million dollars in endorsements go down the drain. Diaz/GSP would’ve been off the charts in terms of hype and marketing.

Oh well, just one more card I can’t be bothered ordering this year.

a tommy point - February 5, 2012 reply

You're a fool, because that should actually be a fantastic fight.

The grappling will be wild with scrambles and submission attempts, the striking will be dynamic.

I predict a shitload of bannings tonight

Earl Montclair - February 5, 2012 reply

yay

I feel like all the commenters from MMAFighting decided to troll here tonight.

You're right

That explains a lot

Shaun32887 - February 5, 2012 reply

I saw a few comments hidden already

because I’d replied to them with lolgifs and what have you and they’re gone now

I think Nick got robbed

Nick was pressuring the whole time. I gave 1, 2, and 5 to Nick, 4 to Condit, and third one was a draw.
I feel why Nick is so pissed. but retiring? really?

DK_Monster - February 5, 2012 reply

i disagree

i had rounds 1 & 2 a draw. 3 & 4 were pretty clearly Condit, and Nick won the 5th.

regardless, Condit fought the perfect fight to stop Diaz.

Diaz was his usual classless self in the post-fight interview. good riddance.

bobthewriter - February 5, 2012 reply

You must have been wearing your Nick Diaz goggles. Pretty much every fight source had Condit winning at least 3 rounds.

i dont even like nick diaz that much

i always said that GSP would crush him like a bug
but i still think nick diaz won this fight.

oh and also i think as long as GSP’s knee is completely fine, Condit will get crushed too.

DK_Monster - February 5, 2012 reply

Wonder who Carlos is gonna fight before GSP?

RUSHoverSPIDER - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Thrilling is a bit much

wasn’t a bad fight but wasn’t thrilling.

Tats16 - February 5, 2012 reply

Also,

10% chance Nick actually retires.

Tim Bernier - February 5, 2012 reply

This what I was afarid of. Condit fighting to out point Diaz.Diaz fights to finish and beat the other fighters. Really no signifigant damage landed by either fighter. The sub attenmpts at the end where was the closest either came to a finish.

oakfan52 - February 5, 2012 reply

Really no signifigant damage landed by either fighter.

You forgot the sarcasm font. Diaz looked like he was hiding grapefruits under his eyebrows.

What a great fight

Now how do you use the sarcasm font?

Full Mount - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

It's whatever, you know?

These guys wanna run away, lay on top, win on points or whatever. You just want to retreat and run away like a punk bitch and these judges think you’re doing good and shit. I don’t care about that bullshit. These judges you know, they don’t know what real fighting is like. They never fight in a real fight or take any Robbie Lawler punches. The judges just… uhhh, they…. they judge you on things like little bably taps and shit. I don’t do that, I don’t give a fuck, I fight because we’re fighting you know? Fuck all you motherfuckers.

pdl - February 5, 2012 reply

Makes sense to me

Krimson - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

he didn't fall for brawling with Diaz? so what!

Rampage01 - February 5, 2012 reply

because some people paid to see a fight

So he should have just stood there in the pocket and let Diaz work his game plan instead?

I don’t get what you want from Condit.

it was totally smart

and to be clear: condit won, but that’s not what i was expecting when i had the butterflies during fighter intros

and that is a bummer

i don’t blame condit, i’m not mad

To be honest

Neither was I. Which is why the way the fight unfolded was very surprising, yet still entertaining to me.

it was entertaining in a cerebral way

bu it didn’t touch my v-spot

There certainly was no "Wonderboy" head kick moment.

The_Devil_You_Know - February 5, 2012 reply

It was alright but I would hardly call it thrilling or even a good fight……..

The fight was really close I thought 2nd round was even 1st and 5th to diaz vs 3rd and 4th to condit having said that Condit did his best machida impression but didnt land the type of damage that machida does in spurts when he is on his game.

I know it was the same idea

but I’ve never seen Machida turn his back and run halfway across the octagon to avoid his opponent.

ArmchairBlackbelt - February 5, 2012 reply

Hardly a thrilling fight??

You say this:
It was alright but I would hardly call it thrilling or even a good fight……..

But then say this:
The fight was really close I thought

Wouldn’t that have made it a “thrilling fight”?? or a “good fight”….I want DIAZ v GSP as well but c’mon son! Condit was hitting him and escaping those classic Diaz traps

friendlyfoe - February 5, 2012 reply

If you want to act like Anderson Silva for 2 rounds,

You gotta pull off that submission at the end!

RicketyCricket - February 5, 2012 reply

1 point for you sir

Carlos won round 3 and 4

That’s it.

Diaz 48-47

zzwab - February 5, 2012 reply

3 & 4

ARE THE NUMBER OF DIAZ’S PUNCHES THAT ACTUALLY CONNECTED

F.U.B.A.R - February 5, 2012 reply

Is that you, Cesar!?

I'm depressed now

mollcutpurse - February 5, 2012 reply

good.

That head kick he landed would of finished most.

RUSHoverSPIDER - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

What exactly were people[s expectations of Nick, I wonder, that they are bashing him now that he lost and rage quit?

This is Nick being Nick. Who knows if it’ll stick, but it is troubling how many dickish people act the moment they can.

Unabomberman - February 5, 2012 reply

Yeah he's just being a baby. He's not going to really retire.

higgledy-piggledy - February 5, 2012 reply

Even more reason to think he's an aspie.

I do hope he stays retired, though. He’s not happy during this grind.

Unabomberman - February 5, 2012 reply

where was the cesar gracie jj

Nick Diaz needs to fit the mma game. showing off his jj too late.

he also needs to stop bitchin

Condit refused to play diaz’s game, and Diaz never chose to use his bjj, so he lost. God forbid he face a dominant wrestler, like oh GSP. It’s MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. question is if nick decided to become one.

Jeremy Couturier - February 5, 2012 reply

JUST BLEED RARRRR!

Fuck You Nick.

If you won I would have gotten every fight right on playground and gotten a score of 102 or more.

Sugel Mendoza - February 5, 2012 reply

I wanted Diaz to win

But Condit had the better gameplan. Sucks that I sacrificed 3 hours watching a relatively boring PPV when I should have been studying

shogunism - February 5, 2012 reply

let's hope he shows up to the post-fight press conference

the fight may have been boring, but I doubt the presser would be. but I’m not sure he’ll show.

mollcutpurse - February 5, 2012 reply

Elitex10x - February 5, 2012 reply

Condit used a brilliant gameplan and got the win, but it wasn’t like he fucking LnP’d Nick or anything. Condit fought Nick and landed more and often harder. Diaz couldn’t impose his gameplan on Condit. Sure, it may have been a more exciting fight if Diaz was able to get Condit up against the cage more and unload to his body and head and have him rocked, but that didn’t happen. It was STILL a good fight, they were getting after it.

I’m a big fan of both guys, but very disappointed in how Diaz handled himself in the post-fight speech. If he retires because of this, it’ll be a damn shame. Maybe if he wasn’t so averse to learning some wrestling, he would’ve been able to get the fight to the ground and tap Condit.

FreeFocus - February 5, 2012 reply

I don't remember Nick landing anything of substance

At least condit actually landed. You don’t win rounds by taunting.

KeVbK - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

but crossing my arms scores huge points with the judges

seriously?

you didnt see diaz rock condit multiple times? you didnt see him snap condits head back with accurate hard punches. you didnt see any of the body shots that bruised the whole side of cindits body?

What's a cindit?

Crimson King 45 - February 5, 2012 reply

I think

They were a British/India unit that fought the Japanese during WWII

There will no doubt be a rematch before the winner fights GSP so dont worry dudes! this fight will happen all over again!

CDSmid - February 5, 2012 reply

Why not just put Diaz up against Usain Bolt in a 100m race instead.

Same thing will happen there, too.

a tommy point - February 5, 2012 reply

Wow

you have NO respect for Diaz if you think that Bolt can kick his ass.

Thank you Tim Burke

This was a highly technical chess match at the top of the welterweight division. Those calling for a “snoozefest” between GSP and Condit are maniacs – Condit is the same guy that blitzed DHK and fought an epic was with Rory and had you all foaming at the mouth. He fought the perfect fight tonight. His gameplan against GSP will not resemble this at all…

dancharleton - February 5, 2012 reply

exactly

Gameplanning for GSP is not the same as gameplanning for Diaz.

sitnam90 - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

I think this is a closer fight than people think

People are either heavily biased for or against Diaz it seems.

I had round 1 a draw, round 2 for diaz, round 3 and 4 for condit and round 5 was close, was in condit’s favour until nick took his back for like a minute and had dominant position.

But I think it could go either way. I need to watch again. Condit had a great gameplan though. We saw what would happen if Condit chilled on the cage for a brief moment, and he avoided it very well.

Tats16 - February 5, 2012 reply

Well put

i give slight edge to diaz in round 1 even though not much happened because he was walking condit down. round 5 is also really tough to call. i bet that all the judges gave this round to diaz (mma judges always seem to give close rounds to the guy who gets a takedown even if he doesnt do much with it). It seemed like condit was in amazing shape and was starting to land some real nice shots in 4 and 5 but for the first 3 it seemed like he was honestly just trying to win a points game. it pains me to say that but i just cant deny it i mean when have we ever seen condit backpedal and run from exchanges like that

I had the same scorecard

But gave the fifth to Condit for being in control most of the round

Hey fuck you Condit fans! How dare he incorporate leg kicks and counter punching into a well formulated gameplan and expose the holes in Diaz’s game. He should’ve stayed at the fence so Diaz could work his boxing . Nick is the greatest striker in MMA, he’s a cardio machine and a good person, and uh, he threw punches, and..kicks? Condit was just backing away the whole fight…Well fuck you all, but Diaz got robbed.

Jason Robillard - February 5, 2012 reply

Run forest, Run !!!

I though Condit was going to bring it… instead he ran the whole time.. what boring fight. How could anyone enjoy watching lay & pray or run away… there needs to be a penalty to turning your back and running away.

i agree

In boxing you get disqualified for turning on your opponent.).Then again The last thing we need is another rule that refs would botch and create controversy. ive noticed recently how easily gusy can foul in mma fights and get away with it. case in point, bisping vs sonnen. that whole 1st round was FILTHY. Head butts, nut shots,cage holding, rabbit punches, i swear i even saw chael grab bispings nuts.

In boxing

Nick Diaz would also get out pointed by better boxers, who will apparently be told that they didn’t come to fight

No

They would knock him out eventually. :P

Well you know

They knocked me out and whatever but I came to fight he came to not get knocked out you know I’m sick of this shit, knocking out people is they wat you win in this sport it seems but whatever you know.

This ain't boxing dude

You get dq’d for throwing kicks, elbows, takedowns, etc. So what? He moved out of certain danger (against the cage) into a better position and proceeded to outstrike Diaz.

You are pissed off that your boy Diaz lost? Sure. No need to discredit Condit because of it.

BiscoBisco - February 5, 2012 reply

I can't believe I started to fall for Diaz again.

All that pre-fight talk about who he is made him sound awesome. Then he goes and says he’s going to retire after this and complains. Now I understand. It’s not just being wrestlefucked, it’s losing. He’s such a baby.

kreally - February 5, 2012 reply

bingo

Fatty Fish Belly - February 5, 2012 reply

i wouldn't call this a thrilling fight, nor a snoozefest

but it was compelling, because Condit was the first guy to really show how to beat Nick Diaz 2.0 … FWIW, i think Condit clearly won.

bobthewriter - February 5, 2012 reply

Who's next for Diaz?

I’d like to see a rematch with Sanchez.

he's done with this MMA shit

just helping out his brother in the gym now

Fatty Fish Belly - February 5, 2012 reply

He's just having a tantrum

he’ll be back. My 7 year old nephew has them whenever he gets sleepy.

Thrilling Affair?

really? condit backing up for 4 rounds and diaz taking his back for 30 seconds for all the foty talk that yaawnnn zzzzzzzzzzzz. Run Caleb Run! he thats greg jackson for you posioning the sport

nickrodamous - February 5, 2012 reply

Your argument via image macro approach

is scintillating in its wit

Well…I’m on my phone so I’ll let you guys do damage

Krimson - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Jon Snowden on his game

From twitter:

The UFC has built a fanbase by having guys who aren’t afraid to compete head to head. Carlos looked like a guy waiting for the cops to come.

Thankfully he’s confined to bleacher report now

Snowden owns

a busted up honda

This made me picture him trapped in some parallel dimension.

if you make a shite argument on bleacher report

does it really make a sound?

Only if there’s a shitty slideshow attached. Then you hear people vomiting around the world.

flyingkneetoface - February 5, 2012 reply

Top 100 pictures

proving why you are wrong about b/r Micah! [Click to begin]

The UFC established itself as a real sport

by including guys who win fights in ways that don’t inspire fans.

If you want pure head to head entertainment, go to the freaking WWE

Yeah, I couldn’t believe he considered Bleacher Report greener pastures. Unfollowed him when the first link came out lol

Snowden is on Bleacher Report now?

…that place is garbage. Such a waste of talent. He should come back to BE.

This

He was a fire starter.

Best comment threads ever

always made me laugh.

Yep

Good times. He took it well, too.

He actually has some serious writing skill and turns out the occasional great article as well as his flame posts.

Yeah, one of the worst sites on the net. I enjoyed his writing but I’ll never go there to read it.

They pay him more.

Obviously

that’s the only reason why anybody would settle on writing over there.

Good. RIDDANCE.

Lol everyone is so mad…I thought pierce was the real robbery dammit

Afrotikiman - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

This. Hopefully we never have to hear about Koscheck’s striking being great ever again. This is the third fight in a row where he’s disappointed me.

Good gameplan for Condit against the Diaz style of fighting. Sucks that he was just fighting to win the decision but still a good gameplan nonetheless. Not exactly the dogfight they made it out to be when hyping the fight. I could see how that would frustrate Nick but he was being a damn crybaby in the post-fight interview.

capt insano - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Oh, and I thought Koscheck lost too.

mthom - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

official scorecard

Tats16 - February 5, 2012 reply

Interesting....two judges had R3 to Diaz and R5 to Condit

The other judge had R2 and R5 to Diaz.

Peoples and Jarman fucked it up

even though I think Nick Diaz won, I think I can agree with Kamijo’s decision.
but Peoples and Jarman literally fucked it up.

DK_Monster - February 5, 2012 reply

I scored it 48-48

So I’m fine with the decision going either way.

I just wish that this notion of you can’t win a striking match while backpedaling would die a horrible death.

If you don’t like the way Greg Jackson helps his fighters win, then write to your state athletic commission and tell them to change the rules of MMA.

Finian1 - February 5, 2012 reply

Well, we are seeing who the non Mma fans are in this thread if they are complaining about Conditions and him outstriking Diaz, or those who think diaz won. It may not have been fight of the year, but it was still a very compelling fight, and great job by Condit, who clearly won.

Hardcharger - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

I scored it 49-46, but you can make an argument that Diaz won

Only one round was pretty clearly one persons (R4 to Condit)

That said, you can tell the people who just enjoy brutality as opposed to fights by the ones who simply call what Condit did as running away.

I had it 49-46 as well. Leg kicks count, just like body shot punches. Diaz was beieng a sore loser, and disingenuous.

Hardcharger - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Carlos was running

Tactical running, but he was definitely running

Full Mount - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

agreed. its one thing to not get hit, its another to jog backwards the whole time.

It's funny because Diaz fans might have some kind of leg to stand on (though I think Condit clearly won) if they actually used, you know, logical points.

Instead of going all Nick Diaz and just saying “HE RAN”

Octagon control.

How much does it factor in? Condit never owned the ring. Not unless the number of laps counted.

Ionnes - February 5, 2012 reply

Kaleb must have won his fight too then.

Ionnes - February 5, 2012 reply

LOL @ troll

I think Diaz won rounds 1 and 2 by being a similarly effective striker while clearly more aggressive.

Diaz and Condit were fairly even in most judging categories but Diaz clearly took the “aggression” line, which is a scoring criterion. In round 5 he was simply more effective offensively, particularly grappling. Therefore I scored it 48-47 Diaz.

pdl - February 5, 2012 reply

Interesting note on twitter

@bokamotoESPN Brett Okamoto
@lorenzofertitta told me GSP was upset and wanted him to make rematch but he said, “I can’t do that to Carlos.”

OleksiyPecherovsHomeboy - February 5, 2012 reply

The only counter to Diaz’s game is to wrestle him to the ground or do what Condit did.. it wasnt running it was not being caught against the cage where Diaz pushed him.. when they were in the center Condit was owning him

souperman321 - February 5, 2012 reply

exactly

Carlos was getting off first even in the center of the octagon. And then he wasn’t there for the return. That’s the basis of winning fights. Hit and don’t get hit.

traydawg - February 5, 2012 reply

According to Compustrike

Condit outlanded Diaz 146 to 110.

Yeah, but he was totally running the whole time, right?!?!?!?

Honestly though

if Diaz didn’t stop fighting to talk shit this fight would have been a lot closer.

If anything, Condit not responding made Nick fight stupid.

I can't wait to hear what a certain Diaz fan has to say.

Hashmo, wherever you are…

lolumad - February 5, 2012 reply

The JUST BLEED crowd comes to BE on fight weekends.

And make me lol in the comments. Really? Starnes.

Sabate - February 5, 2012 reply

BElitism shows it's horns

Ionnes - February 5, 2012 reply

\m/

And proud of it.

Sabate - February 5, 2012 reply

how about daniel cormier, hendo, duke roufus?

this idea that you’re a JUST BLEED fan if you’re nonplussed with this fight is buuuuuuuullshit

Well, we now see what Carlos is made of

Let’s see him outpoint GSP

Full Mount - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

i do think it will be closer than people think

the movement from carlos will help him in that fight, but he will not be able to kick like that against gsp.

KeVbK - February 5, 2012 reply

he will have to use a different strategy than he used tonight. I’m guessing he will try to get back up immediately after being taken down or use his sweeps from the bottom. And on the feet he probably won’t run as much, as GSP doesn’t throw with as much volume.

traydawg - February 5, 2012 reply

Sigh

You just don’t understand how excited I was for this fight. Carlos fought a smart fight, but that was why I enjoyed watching him, he fought to finish. But tonight, not once did it look like he was trying to finish him, not even the headkicks or backfists. GSP is gonna easily decision him and I’m just not gonna care

Full Mount - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

Listen, you're right that you should prefer a fighter to go for a finish

But a fighter needs to be smart…..decisions happen because fighters find themselves in situations where they CANT go for a finish without putting themselves in a really dangerous situation.

The GSP Complaints are different – GSP outclasses all of his opponents, but is super duper risk averse that he doesn’t go for finishes. Here, Condit DIDNT have a big enough advantage over Diaz in order to allow him to go for a finish. It wasn’t possible.

Lol

He never had a chance to finish him because he was using his “great movement” to avoid getting his back attached to a fence. I like to think that I’m a pretty good fan, and I enjoy all aspects of the sport even a good fitching. But dammit, if I want a little violence every now and then, I expect the guy with 26 out of 28 finishes vs Nick Diaz to deliver

Full Mount - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

I’m happy for Condit. He had a great game plan and fought smart the whole way through. I’m just gutted that this fight didn’t live up to the hype. It never felt close to being finished. There was no danger. Nothing. Neither fighter looked closed to being hurt. It was just disappointing. This should’ve been FOTY. Ah well . . .

Holls Hoyce - February 5, 2012 reply

The only people that thought Diaz won at Bdubs

Were the wanna be gangsta kids who only paid attention to the main event and walked outside to smoke a blunt half way through the fight.

We All Hate Caleb - February 5, 2012 via mobile reply

The natural born killer indeed

I think someone needs a name change maybe the natural born runner

TLAoutlaw - February 5, 2012 reply

or

the natural born winner

traydawg - February 5, 2012 reply

He won

Go cry about it

CyLoke - February 5, 2012 reply

Woah

I cut myself with your edgyness

Why’s everybody so defensive, just making a joke.

TLAoutlaw - February 5, 2012 reply

It was an easy joke

Not being defensive at all :)

Why are you being so defensive, he was just making a joke.

souperman321 - February 5, 2012 reply

If you outwreslte Diaz you are a coward
If you outpoint Diaz you are a coward.

Basically, you should play to Diaz’ strengths to not be a coward.
Next time someone fights Clay Guida they should stay on their back because they should play to his strenghts or they are cowards.

So true

Condit should have just stood right in front of Diaz and took those punches in bunches. Condit would have somehow found a way to win lol.

CyLoke - February 5, 2012 reply

Condit winning isn’t the outcome Dana wanted

CollegeDropIn - February 5, 2012 reply

Yup. That's the bigger story.

Lost a potential million buy PPV tonight

For now

If Dan Hardy could get a title shot, Nick can get one, too.

It is a shame

That people are happy with a Nick Diaz retirement. He is a great fighter.

Bobby Flay - February 5, 2012 reply

Did anyone catch what Lorenzo asked Diaz?

Holls Hoyce - February 5, 2012 reply

Fightmetric would seemingly have it 48-47 Condit

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html#more

Yup.

Here’s their in-depth report:

Gave Condit the 1st, 3rd, and 4th

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/5/2772425/condits-masterful-gameplan

Yes!

Boy, am I glad I lost my bet on MMA Playground & Condit won! At most, Diaz won two rounds, even though I thought he lost four of ‘em to Condit…oh yeah, strategy wins the day! If Diaz does really retire, it’s a shame to see him and his brawling leave. I’ve always thought he was an entertaining fighter, but he’s at least publicly always portrayed himself as a representative of all that I stand against in our culture.

Captain Beyond - February 5, 2012 reply

Don't know if I can do this, sorry mods if you want to erase this you can

but here is my personal opinion on the whole thing.

Hart Thorson - February 5, 2012 reply

What’s up with everyone bitching about this fight being boring ? I understand when a guy lays on another guy for 5 rounds, but these two dudes went back and forth at each other for 5 rounds. Stop bitching just because no one got knocked out. Some of you don’t care for the strategic/sport aspect of mma and just want to see blood and knock outs. gtfo.

I didn’t care for a finish. Just the intent to finish. Just because some of us are disappointed in a fight that, on paper, was a FOTY candidate, doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate effective gameplans. I thought Condit did brilliantly and throughly deserved the win.

Holls Hoyce - February 5, 2012 reply

Carlos would have KO'd damn near anyone else

A couple of those kicks were hard and flush on the chin.

So you think that Condit didn’t have the intent to finish? Just because he didn’t finish him doesn’t mean he didn’t try.

I think that you underestimate the difficulty of finishing Diaz.

I will sit here and wait patiently for:

“Condit is boring”
“Damn that Champion producer Greg jackson”
“Kalib Kalib Kalib”
“Nick Diaz came to fight, Condit came for points”

All these were already said

Sorry i meant fanposts

Why the hell Diaz fans think they have the right to dictate a gameplan to his opponent?

burakkuburain - February 5, 2012 reply

There's a lot of very unintelligent Diaz fans

Much like the fighter, they seem to whine a lot during a loss

It goes both ways

All you Diaz bitches need to shut the fuck up.

How does feel to know that y’all supported a whiney little crybaby bitch who’s a sore loser to boot.

Please flag him BTW.

Not saying there aren't dumbo fans on the other side of the fence

but it’s been a real treat to separate the actual MMA fans from the silly tough guy nonsense tonight. A good friend called me up 2 minutes after the fight and we had a great 15 minute discussion on what we thought happened. He scored it for Diaz, I clearly thought Condit won. But because both of us can hold intelligent discussions, we talked and heard what each other had to say. We’re both actual MMA fans, not whiny supporters of one guy or the other.

Now the first line from whoever that dude was, yes that gets flagged imo. I’m not a fan at all of Diaz’s I’m taking my ball and going home nonsense – much like the rest of what he says.

Babies

Just a bunch of babies who don’t get MMA

CyLoke - February 5, 2012 reply

This fight was for a fake title. An interim champ is like the stand in version of the real champion. Sucks because I bet Condit actuallt considers himself a real champion. Truth is he’s not because the recognized champ is GSP. Interim titles are like stickers for the kids who can’t color inside the lines like the two or three kids who can. It’s just….a wasted politically correct pat on the back.

CollegeDropIn - February 5, 2012 reply

It’s to crown who is the No. 2 guy in the division. If GSP is too hurt to come back, then he’s the No. 1 guy. It’s not the official title, but he is, right now, the best active fighter at WW.

I like how you assume this about Condit for absolutely no reason at all.

I hope tomorrow we have real football fans

saying that quarterbacks should stand there like a man and fling the ball as far as they can every time. None of this nonsense about going for variety and doing what counts toward gaining points and wins.

James Kimbell - February 5, 2012 reply

ahem

REX NEVER DIE