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We'll be sure to ask Roth the most important question...
Are there train yards in Vegas?
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
WE AREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE LIVE!
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Totally perplexed by the “controversy” surrounding the 143 main event.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
The first word that comes to mind when I hear “MMA fan” is “fickle.” No surprises here.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
People came in with preconceived notion that this would be some balls-to-the-wall rock’em sock’em brawl bro-fest. Instead they got an MMA fight.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
“Boring” Brian Hemminger
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
When are the Browns ever in the Super Bowl…?
And Michigan State hasn’t been relevant since Mateen Cleaves.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
LOL at "Browns" and "Super Bowl" in the same sentence.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
LOL
Four Final Fours since Mateen left.
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
…how many have they won?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Dawg, your only good player ever has been Kevin Pittsnogle.
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Or, you know, Devin Ebanks. Or Kevin Jones. Then again, I’m not under the delusion that we do anything relevant other than be a consistent entry into the NCAA tournament.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_C77d7KBHk
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Condit only landed 2 more total strikes than Diaz in the first and 6 more significant strikes. Diaz landed 16-7 head shots in the first and 11-7 to the body. But Condit’s 16-1 leg kicks is stunning.
That said, I still scored round one for Diaz.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Cecil Peoples wants that last statistic stricken from the record as it is not in any way relevant to a fight.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
There seems to be two camps of thought in the fallout of the event: The “robbery of the century Condit ran like Starnes” camp, and the “you’re an idiot for implying that this was the robbery of the century and that Condit ran the whole fight” camp. I’m just wondering how Carlos Condit will match-up with GSP.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
This fight wasn’t the most exciting thing I’ve ever seen. But it was backed by the drama that Nick Diaz and Condit built on UFC Primetime and it was stunning to see a gameplan work so well, not unlike Sonnen-Silva I. Sonnen vs. Silva was not exciting to watch in terms of the actual fight, but the gameplan was really stunning to see. That is how I liken it anyway.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Yeah that’s pretty much exactly how I feel.
It makes me a little ill seeing Condit get emotional having the belt put around his waste, and then getting boo’d. Give the guy a break, he did nothing wrong.
UncleMax - February 7, 2012
But to argue your point, because Diaz acts like leg kicks are irrelevant and he is impervious to them, does that make them seem less relevant? Is Diaz’s pandering to the lack of pain those legkicks cause him working in his favor?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
well, some people can take shots better than others
It doesn’t make those shots insignificant.
Brian Hemminger - February 7, 2012
I don’t argue that, but does it lessen the significance of the strikes in some judges’ and fans’ eyes? I definitely think it could.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Depends on how the particular judges view damage. We’ve seen it go either way. See: Diego Sanchez vs Martin Kampmann.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
If Nick Diaz thinks leg kicks are irrelevant, he wouldn’t have taken Cyborg to the ground.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
didn't Cyborg take him down and then get submitted?
That’s how I remember
Brian Hemminger - February 7, 2012
True. Diaz did engage the clinch though once he had clearly had enough of Cyborg’s leg kicks.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
If he's taking leg kicks from Thiago Alves, he wouldn't be calling them baby leg kicks.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Here's what Greg Jackson had to say
http://cagejunkies.com/2012/02/greg-jackson-defends-carlos-condits-ufc-143-strategy/
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Carlos WILL get taken down by GSP. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how many times.
So if I were Condit, I’d come out going for the kill every time I am on the feet.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
“Carlos WILL get taken down by GSP. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when and
how many timescan he get back to his feet?”Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
haha. Yes.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Pretty much. I think GSP could submit him late if Condit gasses.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
He definitely appeared to have a DEEP gas tank Sat., but then again he wasn’t being smothered by top control for five rounds.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Even if he doesn’t gas, I have a hard time seeing him beating GSP. Cause he’s not going to win on points. He’ll basically have to finish. And nothing he showed last Saturday lends me to believe he can even challenge GSP seriously.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Condit should fight again before November. Not necessarily Nick, but someone.
Otherwise, what is the point of an interim belt? Isn’t the point of such a belt to keep the division moving while the champ is out? If he’s going to sit out until he gets GSP, Dana might as well issue another interim-interim belt. Because none of it matters then. But I understand why Condit might want to sit out.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Greg Jackson
I normally have a lot of time for Greg Jackson, but he didn’t come off well on yesterday’s MMA Hour. He sounded like someone who talks out of both sides of their moth. Sorry, Greg.
And Ariel Herwani is a stirrer.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
CABBAGE! CABBAGE! CABBAGE!
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Cesar Gracie
And he came off equally as bad. He can’t make up his mind who to blame. He says Diaz won the fight, but then he’s angry at Conduit for ‘cheating’ Diaz out of the fight. I don’t know how good he is at cornering, but he’s a whiny beach.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
Really interesting story from MiddleEasy. I feel like the rematch is inevitable.
http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7127%3Aaccording-to-ufc-this-is-what-the-world-thinks-of-the-diaz-vs-condit-decision&catid=34%3Aorganizations
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Wow. Guess Canada didn’t want their boy to get that fight he wanted, eh? That poll map just looks silly.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Boost mobile, yall!
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
i don't think the people coming out the woodwork complaining about the "controversial" decision ever spoke about the "sport"
UncleMax - February 7, 2012
I think the media are missing the point when criticising the MMA community’s reaction to the Diaz v Conduit fight. I think the anger being felt shows that Diaz may be a bigger star and fan favourite than people realise.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
Reposting for relevance.
This fight wasn’t the most exciting thing I’ve ever seen. But it was backed by the drama that Nick Diaz and Condit built on UFC Primetime and it was stunning to see a gameplan work so well, not unlike Sonnen-Silva I. Sonnen vs. Silva was not exciting to watch in terms of the actual fight, but the gameplan was really stunning to see. That is how I liken it anyway.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
It didn’t have a lot of “oh shit!” moments, but it still made me “wow” at the end, which to me is more important.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Not all fight fans are sports fans. This will always be an inherently divisive aspect of the fan-base of mixed martial arts.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Diaz has no footwork and it showed in that fight.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Diaz v Conduit = Machida v Rampage
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
your continued mispelling of Condit's name is annoying
We got it already
DankNabbot - February 7, 2012
The Gracie family started the UFC to showcase jiu jitsu....
Maybe Team Diaz needs to come up with Phonebooth Fighting Championships to highlight their personal skills.
Holy jesus, the fallout from this fight is absolutely off the wall….!!
I can’t wait till we’ve all moved on, it’s not even fun to debate anymore…
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
The lack of civility about all this really disgusts me.
I had it 48-47 Diaz, but I could understand why you had Condit or a draw or whatever.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Amen...
and so many people are only looking at a single aspect of the overall picture, and hanging onto it for dear life, refusing to think about other angles or possibilities.
Conversing over the internet about Condit/Diaz has become totally asinine.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
MMA is probably my No 3 sport behind soccer and Formula 1.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
At least you didn’t say NASCAR :)
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Can you ask Roth why he feels people are so uncivil about the Condit-Diaz decision? If he needs me to reference something, look at the influx of people on here.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE RETARDED
Matthew Roth - February 7, 2012
Also…I must ask. How do you feel about Johnny Ace being retained?! Good or great?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
BEST.
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
I am Johnny Ace’s number one mark.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
C'MON MAN
Matthew Roth - February 7, 2012
You know you love it a lot.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
At least it shows people really cared about the fight.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Yeah...I mean indifference is worse
Matthew Roth - February 7, 2012
The term ‘retarded’ is quite offensive in Europe. Perhaps not so, elsewhere.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
It's offensive in the United States as well
but people saying Carlos Condit’s game plan ruined the sport is retarded.
Matthew Roth - February 7, 2012
It used to be in the US but it became too impractical to correct people so it’s generally accepted in the “small-time public” (i.e. not in the media/public forum).
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
you have impressed me with your straight talk Roth.
Roth rules.
UncleMax - February 7, 2012
UK
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
I used to play minor hockey (I’m Canadian. It’s basically a law here), but once I got into MMA, I stopped watching all other sports, even hockey. I still like playing sports in my spare time, but I do not enjoy watching sports anymore. I lost interest.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
mma
ruined you for other sports!
rohedron - February 7, 2012
It really did.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
1) I rented the early UFC tapes, then lost interest for years. Then I got back into it when I saw Hughes / Trigg II. When Hughes slammed Trigg, I lost my mind.
2) I got obsessed. Next thing I know, I’m watching every pride and UFC fight, and six months later, I realized I didn’t care about other sports.
3) Every fight is like a playoff eliminator. Other sports just don’t match MMA in terms of excitement for me.
4) MMA to me is the purest sport. No special shoes, no special sticks: just a couple guys in a cage. It’s great.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
I had never found a sport I was truly passionate about until I discovered MMA. I always followed sports, but it was more to be socially versatile than due to any authentic interest. Other athletic contests just don’t feel like they’re on the same level as two highly-skilled men engaged in combat in a fenced cage with nearly limitless possible outcomes.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
*should’ve said “athletes” instead of “men.”
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
The social aspect is big. I mean, even though I don’t watch any other sports anymore, I’m still sports-minded, in that I can just sit down and watch a game with someone and not be a fish out of water. I know all the rules still, I can still go to a pickup game of basketball and do fine. Like you, it’s about passion. I’m just not passionate.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
I’m just not passionate about anything other than MMA, I mean to say.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
It’s huge. I think my childhood would’ve been much different if I had been adverse to sports. I remember it was always fun to play, just not much fun to watch. My Dad’s passion for the 49ers really made me want to try to get into it though. It was always fun to watch with him since he would yell at the TV and all that.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
My dad and I watched the Oilers run during their dynasty.
One of my favorite sports memories with my dad. That’s why I got into hockey.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Setanta Sports had the UFC over hear and I susbcribed when they got the rights to English Premier League. I was channel surfing and found UFC 80 on Setanta Sports 1 there was nothing good on that night so I watched the card and was hooked.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
The ol’ “faucet forehead” fight eh?
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
I’m not a diehard sports fan like I used to be when I was a lot younger. But I still give things a chance and watch whatever whenever. I mostly follow college basketball and football (college or pro) now, along with pro wrestling. I used to be obsessed with all sports, but I guess I grew out of it.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Welcome back to Planet Earth!
and the broadcast
DankNabbot - February 7, 2012
Brian needs HRT
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
I'm confused
Brian Hemminger - February 7, 2012
He's saying
you need more testosterone.
Maybe we need to get you a Bellator tape or something to regain your enthusiasm.
Ben Thapa - February 7, 2012
For me, I feel more of a connection to MMA because I grew up with the sport. I literally came in with Brock Lesnar and watched it grow as I matured. Also, I feel more like a fighter because it is accessible to the normal guy. You can go down and train in the sport in almost any town.
For other sports, you can’t really train with Mike Piazza and learn to be a great catcher and get passing lessons from Tom Brady. Youth sports traumatized me because I realized that I was never going to be one of those athletes. I couldn’t relate to the athletes.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Hopefully MMA will never lose it's accessability...
that’s a big part of what makes it great, imo.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
I have stayed up to 5-6am to watch UFC fights. Although I will skip fights if I’m going to Old Trafford the following day. I do have large collection of UFC & Pride DVD’s although that’s mainly due to a desire to learn more about the history of the sport.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
*Season Ticket holder & big Man United Fan.
*I will watch the fights on Tape delay the following evening.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
It sucks for a lot of international fans that the UFC operates almost exclusively around US ET/PT. I sympathize.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
I’ve spent many a Sunday in tired haze.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
I used to watch the entirety of DREAM, SENGOKU, and K-1 fights on HdNet. I would even adjust my sleep schedule so I could make sure to see it all live. What a great channel.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Also, on pro wrestling. As a kid, it was the closest thing you could watch to real violence when you were younger that your parents would allow. Also, it captivated you with the cartoonish storylines and characters. As I grew up, it became more and more fake and stale. It lead me into boxing and MMA.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Lol I remember seeing the first UFC in 1993 when I was little and I thought “these guys would get killed by WWF wrestlers.”
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
MMA is fascinating on so many levels, and there something there for almost anyone (strategy, skill, will, composure). Football will always be no1—Arsenal!—but MMA is a great number 2.
Sadly, it’s still very niche here in Europe.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
8-2
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
You should have beaten that line-up 18-2. Shame on you.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
Since I've found MMA, other sports seem to pale in comparison....
It didn’t happen over night, but I get more and more into MMA, and care less and less about keeping up with specific teams and seasons.
I’ve always played and enjoyed basketball, but the NBA has been plauged with internal issues and inconsistancies. I just don’t care much about it now.
Baseball, fuck baseball.
NFL, still pretty awesome, and there’s no MMA on Sundays usually.
NHL, don’t follow a team or the season, but will always watch playoff hockey, regardless of who’s playing.
Golf….. uh, the driving range is always a good time.
MMA has become my muse.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
I religously watched UFC Unleashed when it was regularly on ESPN Thursday Nights, same when TUF was on classic. The first time I saw Griffin/Bonnar was New Years 09.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Gotta agree with the social comments made above...
playing sports was just that, playing. That’s how you interacted with other kids and had a good time. Imagine kids like those Ruffo brothers who come up ‘playing’ MMA, instead of little league. That’s the future, and that seems pretty exciting.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Also, a lot of MMA were not necessarily social butterflies and caught on to the sport because it was the closest thing you could get to kung fu movies and it was an underground thing. I love that MMA fans are a pack of nerds really, but it is such an awesome collective.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
The key is to be both a jock and a nerd. It makes you popular, but keeps you humble.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Bravo BE radio....
this conversation has been 100x better than rehashing the same tired storylines from Condit/Diaz that we’ve all already heard over the last 72 hours.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Hahahaha, good thing you got here late
Because that was the first part of the show.
But really glad you enjoyed it!
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Nice, we'll pretend it was intentional!
As for Condit/Diaz, oh my lord, I’ve probably typed out and deleted 50 posts/comments over the last couple days, on multiple websites, then I would just shaking and looking for sharp objects….
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Or Melvin Guillard?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Jackson on Jackson violence?
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Forgot. Damnit.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Oh yeah...
Guillard is a Blackzilian now. Still, seems too soon.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Was just gonna say this.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Beat me to it.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
What about Melvin Guillard? Too soon?
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Sherk vs Maynard. Let’s see what the Muscle Shark’s got left.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Evan Dunham for Cowboy
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Donald Cerrone-Nik Lentz! Book it!
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Barboza vs Cerrone.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Cerrone v Guida
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
Mac Danzig?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Nevermind. He is Efrain’s next opponent.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
fighting Escudero in Atlanta
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Tough, tough fight for Escudero
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Where is Forest? Is he the new Bellator correspondent?
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
Forrest is only with us on a part time basis now.
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Donald Cerrone vs. Paul Sass!
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Donald Cerrone vs. Jacob Volkmann!
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
I like the way you think, sir.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
I still can't believe people are so stupid that they don't know what freaking channel the UFC event is on.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
People flip around their TVs like zombies. They see “UFC” in the program guide and just assume it’s not on another channel.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
This makes me sad.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Even crazier to me...
is when someone tweets a member of the media where/when they can find the fights, but can’t figure out Google holds all the answers they desire.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
It’s amazing that so many people still don’t know how to use Google in 2012. People need to understand that internet=information, not just Facebook, Twitter and TMZ.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Can either of you watch the Fuel show?
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Thiago Silva vs whatever animal he got the urine from!
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
LOL. Oh god. I hate living in Northern Virginia. My main event will be Thiago Silva vs. Igor Pokrajac?
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Hahahaha
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
I heard they wanted to feature Christine Santos on the card, but then realised ‘Cyborg on Fuel’ may not work. (Bmmm… Tsh…._
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
LOL
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Spur of the moment. Appreciate it. That’s my joke quota for the year out of the way.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
haha!
pud333 - February 7, 2012
Brian has it for Kim Winslow, Bishop. Come on.
mountaineers101 - February 7, 2012
Nah. I bet she can beat him up.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
When I see Winslow ref, I know at the very least there won’t be a premature stoppage.
Machiel Van - February 7, 2012
Won’t be a premature anything…. (tasteless, I know)
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
burnzo.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
15-0
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Brian is not into Kim cause he's afraid she'll call him on an early stoppage.
pud333 - February 7, 2012
that was good
deserves werd!
rohedron - February 7, 2012
Winslow has a Nevada Licence and Big John doesn’t?
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Oh god....
end the show!!
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
Thanks guys, had fun today.
Cheers, all.
SteveevaD - February 7, 2012
That was fun, now back to Fifa 12.
MattParker117 - February 7, 2012
Thanks everybody for listening!
We appreciate it!
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
DOWNLOAD LINK!
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bloodyelbowradio/2012/02/07/episode-133-ufc-143-aftermath-mma-discussion.mp3
Matt Bishop - February 7, 2012
Great show.
BlackHat - February 7, 2012
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