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I'm sure you've heard the news by now. The UFC's resident anti-hero Nick Diaz tested positive for marijuana metabolites today and is about to face a long suspension. This will be Nick's second weed suspension by the NSAC, and he has now screwed up both of his scheduled UFC appearances in one way or another. In addition, he also blew his chances at a rematch with Carlos Condit, a bout that was all but official before this positive test surfaced. Precedent states that he will not be released from the promotion. But it's high time Dana White set a new precedent and kicked Stockton's finest to the curb.
Before you start screaming "it's just weed, man!", let's get one thing out of the way. It doesn't matter that it's "just weed." NSAC rules say it's an illegal substance. Whether you agree with that or not is completely irrelevant. The bottom line is that it IS illegal, and unless it was a false positive for some reason, Diaz, of his own free will, ingested something in a certain time frame that he knew might lead to a positive test. The fault (again, if it's not a false positive) falls entirely upon one person - Nick Diaz. Apologize and make excuses for him all you want. Nothing changes that simple fact.
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After Diaz skipped two press conferences and was removed from his UFC welterweight title bout with Georges St. Pierre before UFC 137, he was given the stiff sentence of instead competing in the co-main event against B.J. Penn. This time he will actually be severely punished. He will lose a large portion of his UFC 143 purse, and a purse from the Condit rematch. He will also be out for a year, based on NSAC precedent for repeat offenders. Luckily for Nick, UFC president Dana White is notoriously soft on people that pop for illegal substances. He has stated multiple times that a long suspension, which robs the fighter of the opportunity to make a living, is punishment enough. I suspect that will be the case here as well. But, Mr. White, this situation is different, and you should treat this differently.
As I have stated before, Diaz, a guy who flaunts his ability to beat marijuana tests to the media yet still gets busted, has been enabled for his entire career. He has been allowed to do as he pleases, with little to no repercussions. His coaches cover for him at every opportunity. His fans, even when faced with a mountain of evidence in regards to his guilt, still protect his "good" name and ignore his transgressions. On top of all this, his promoters/bosses have frequently let him skate because he's a commodity they hope to squeeze future revenue out of. Where does it end? Where's the line in the sand?
If Dana White has any sense, he will cut ties with Diaz once and for all. White loves to say that MMA will become the biggest sport in the world one day. He's not going to get there any time soon by continually enabling fighters that can't follow simple rules, fighters that actually flaunt their ability to get around those rules beforehand. Unfortunately, the anti-hero has sunk his hooks into the hearts of fans with money in their wallet, and the mighty dollar rules all when it comes to the UFC. You'll see Nick Diaz in the octagon in 2013. And people will still care. And that's pathetic.
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It's just weed, man.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Thanks Subo, my thoughts exactly
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Nick Diaz Should Be Released By The UFC
THEFILMGUY - February 9, 2012
lol
I don’t know where everyone else is from but weed is so common here the cops don’t even hassle you for it anymore. I know someone will reply “hes a pro fighter” and all that, but he did what he did, so let the ufc/nsac deal with it, its their problem not ours. We choose to watch the fights, its not our job to tell them how to run their company. =\
mikeI981j - February 9, 2012
Tim Burke should be released by SB Nation
“The Rules say that it (weed) IS an illegal substance..”
Dude, you are a dork, if you spoke like that in public you would be endlessly ridiculed. If you were in a room with my friends, we would have no need for tv or music, because everyone would have a good old time ripping you to shreds for being such a corny little tattle tail.
Its just weed. Nobody gives a shit about weed.
Go away.
Clark Griswald - February 9, 2012
Keith Kizer obviously cares about weed, and for Nick Diaz’s job prospects over the next year, that’s really the only person that matters.
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
The NSAC seems to give a shit about weed.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
You’re a disgrace to Clark Griswald’s good name.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
why do you have a nick diaz quote??
THEFILMGUY - February 9, 2012
Because he's not a Diaz hater.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
This.
Inside the cage, Nick Diaz is one of my favorite fighters. He has continually made it hard for me to watch him inside the cage though.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
if guys can do steroids or HGH or whatever and stick around like Sonnen then so can Diaz
Randy Marsh - February 9, 2012
The only other fighter who's a multiple offender is Leben
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
You come across as a bit harsher towards Nick Diaz when he does stuff like this (the press conference stuff as well) than with any other fighter who has been caught with something or done something stupid (Sonnen, Leben, etc). Is there any reason for this, or am I just over-analyzing?
chrisbboy82 - February 10, 2012
Diaz will never be released because of money
While I probably wouldn’t quit watching MMA if they released him, I would probably be less inclined to buy a PPV because I may not like the decision. So instead of me buying 12 PPV’s a year and having a handful of UFC on Fox/FX parties with 10-15 people over to watch the fights, I only have half that. So that’s a revenue drop for the UFC. Out of those people that come over to watch, maybe 3-4 haven’t been exposed to the UFC and only know of it as “human cockfighting”. So they get exposed to it with a group of fans that are able to better explain the nuance and technique as opposed to some douchey talk radio guy who talks about “rolling around with guys in tights”. So eventually at some point in a year or two, these new fans buy a PPV because they like Nick, or Carlos, Or Aldo, or whomever – but they buy one. Then the next year they buy two, or three, or six.
My point is that the UFC is a business as Dana has so frequently reminded people. Say what you want about Diaz, he puts butts in the seats. So what happens if Dana cuts Diaz? All of a sudden there is a renewed media interest in things like social anxiety disorder. Reporters asking Dana why he cut someone with medical disorder? Just sayin, keeping Diaz has far more benefits than cutting him.
charlie08 - February 10, 2012
You seem a little butthurt, Tim. This was a bad article written in poor taste. You have no right to talk that way about someone. This is irresponsible journalism at its worst. Its people like you that give us journalists a bad name.
Andrew Lu - February 10, 2012
Says the Diaz fan
1) He absolutely has the right to talk about Nick Diaz that way. It’s the internet, man.
2) This isn’t journalism, it’s commentary. There’s a difference.
3) Nick Diaz signed a contract with Zuffa that basically said he wouldn’t break any commission rules. He broke commission rules. Doesn’t matter if you think the commission rule is a stupid one, it’s a term of employment for MMA fighters. Nick Diaz willingly broke that rule, unless this is a false positive. And it won;‘t be the first time he’s broken that rule. It is a reasonable argument t make that Nick Diaz’ employment with Zuffa should be terminated. There’s also a reasonable argument to be made that it shouldn’t.
4) I do find it a bit ironic that a Diaz fanboy is moralizing about what people should or shouldn’t do and casting it in such black-and-white contrasts: “This was a bad article written in poor taste. You have no right to talk that way about someone”. And yet you’re the ones rationalizing behavior that is clearly a violation of the contract Nick Diaz signed with his employer.
duck - February 10, 2012
You misspelled Griswold
Farthammer - February 9, 2012
Yes, yes he did.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
I’m having a hard time understanding this reaction.
spectaa - February 10, 2012
I told myself I'd stay away from this article.
But I was like, 800 comments, I wonder how far down I’ll have to scroll before someone acts like a dick?
I’ll be leaving now.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Don’t make me slap you.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
BE after UFC 143 is like downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
And there’s nothing for me to steal.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
You can make fun of subo, which is pretty much the same thing
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
i want free booze instead
i can do that every day
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
I, uh…NO after Katrina? How do I top that?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Ban Subo
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Did you think I was shitting on your article?
I haven’t even read it. Nobody here reads things before posting comments.
I’m talking about all these people who have climbed out of their holes for the sole purpose of bitching at people on here after the event.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
That’s dedication.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I'm lost.
If I offended you, it wasn’t my intentions. Why would I waste my time with that when 50 others are dying to perform the task?
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
I’m not sure if you’re trying to out-troll or not
But if not, dude, we’re cool.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I’m apparently one of the few who got where you were coming from with the piece. Too bad I showed up a little late.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Yeah I support our Canadian brethren
Keep up the good work Tim. I felt the same way about Leben. They won’t fire Diaz or Leben but should.
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
My fault. I misinterpreted.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
You should read through..
It’s totally worth it
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Shit is way too real for me.
I miss the simple days of people bitching at Fagan for fighter bashing.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
and you are a disrespectful ass
clark, whether or not you agree w/ him, your comment is rude and immature. what r u gonna challenge Tim to a fight on the playground next to show your superiority? you should go away and learn some manners.
theflyingtsunami - February 10, 2012
comment meant for clark griswald
theflyingtsunami - February 10, 2012
Luckily he never spoke like that
He wrote like that.
I bet you and you’re friends are a hoot.
Erasedhead - February 10, 2012
If chael sonnen can stay in the ufc so can Nick
Alot of people like to watch him fight . Writers don’t matter it’s the fans that count .
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Every writer here is a fan
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Yup
People don’t get paid to write here. They do because they love it.
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
The writers for BE are compensated
But this isn’t their sole income either.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
It's mostly PUJI Money
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Keith Kizer should be released!
Alongside those congressmen who keep taking a stance against pot legalization.
SheepleBuster - February 9, 2012
Even worse
It was just “metabolites” of weed. It wasn’t even weed! It’s some fake shit they made up to fuck with him. You can get metabolites at GNC. I read that somewhere, so I know what I’m talking about, man.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I heard it wasn't even the metabolites of THC
only the trilobites…I read it somewhere, a while back
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
i heard it wasn't even trilobites
it was digemon or something
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
Your right it is just weed, but their are rules. Diaz knows the rules and this is not his first time. What do you think would happen if you showed up high to your job??
Pimp_man - February 10, 2012
Agreed
If Sonnen, Leben, Thiago Silva and the TRT crew are still employed, then it would be silly to cut Diaz. He is a dumbass, sure, but he did move 400,000 PPVs and that’s all the UFC really cares about.
I’m mostly upset that I won’t get to watch him fight for a while. His Strikeforce run provided some of my favourite fights of the last couple years.
Erasedhead - February 10, 2012
But seriously
The issue I have is the same I had with Sonnen (who, by the way, received precisely none of the defense that Diaz is getting now, even though his testosterone is/was similarly prescribed by a doctor): seek a therapeutic exemption. If you get turned down, then take it public – but Nick and Chael didn’t do what they were supposed to do. They colored outside the lines, and they lost title shot rematches because of it.
Of course, Diaz is a two time offender, so it’s different. Let’s see what they do with Barnett – if he loses to Cormier and still comes over, they might cut Nick some slack.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
no seriousness please
just continue to Subo it up
hey you were nominated
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/7/2782138/call-to-nominate-new-bloody-elbow-moderators
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I do not see where.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Great success
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awesome
nicey - February 9, 2012
I’m not sure where you’re taking issue with anything there. He fucked up. He got caught. He got punished. If he was a first-time offender like Chael, he’d have some leeway. He has absolutely none here. Second time offender, skipped a fight with Heiron to avoid a test, etc. Throw in 137, and you’ve got a recipe for unemployment.
Let the hating commence.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
Your a real classy writer.. Saying someone should get fired. Who are you to say something like that. Have some respect. This is Diaz first offense in the UFC regarding weed the other time was In pride. He’s not trying to cheat like all these other guys out there who take PED’s, Chael Sonnen blatantly cheated then lied about it to the commission, Thiago Silva used FAKE urine to try fool a test & there’s countless other fighter stories just like that & they weren’t fired & your saying the UFC should fire Diaz. Grow up a little.
MooreUNITED - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Anyone wanna cover this one?
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
Sure
Second time offender bro, your examples were all first timers.
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
What about Leben? He’s been caught for steriods and painkillers. Should he be cut?
TheLastEmpress - February 9, 2012
Short answer...
YES!
doomrider7 - February 9, 2012
Leben and Diaz JUST BLEED
Now, if once in a while they bleed and the bloodsample comes back steaming with THC and PercPowder, then so be it.
Erasedhead - February 10, 2012
Not in the UFC…
That was PRIDE.
Diz D - February 9, 2012
They were both in Nevada
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
this is fact!
boom!
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
but under different employers
nsac can up his fine for 2nd offense but the ufc shouldn’t fire the guy for this.
Pillow Pants - February 9, 2012
this
Diz D - February 10, 2012
This has *some* merit but...
If I hire a guy who has been in jail for drugs … And I tell him I expect no drugs at my office… Am I expected to not fire him if he does it again, first offense in my employ?
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012 via mobile
Is he Charlie sheen?
Cuz then you can let it drag out for a few years while reaping the profits before you axe him.
Armleglegarm Head - February 10, 2012 via mobile
There are guys who have messed up once in the UFC and are still employed.
discoandherpes - February 10, 2012
it's just weed man
Austin Wilson - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
In what way is taken a substance you are specifically not allowed to take (and, it must be noted, is illegal) NOT cheating?
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
It’s not a performance enhancing drug. He’s not using it to make his muscles bigger or to make him train harder or to run faster or to gain an advantage. Was he high during the fight?
MooreUNITED - February 9, 2012 via mobile
He takes pot to relax… that’s an advantage.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
ok he takes pot to relax.. & Thiago Silva takes Steroids to turn his body damn near chimp like to smash the fuck out of Brandon Vera & beat him to a pulp but people are saying fire Nick Diaz. I think ye should take some weed to, might help ye relax!
MooreUNITED - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Thiago Silva cheated. Nick Diaz also cheated. You said Nick Diaz is “not trying to cheat,” but that doesn’t seem to make sense, which is what people are trying to point out to you.
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
Diaz might have broken the rules but it’s hardly cheating
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
There it is.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
+1
Pillow Pants - February 9, 2012
boo-ya
big matt - February 10, 2012
Bam.
Marijuana is the 12-to-6 elbows of drug testing.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
For one thinf
If he takes weed for his anxiety and can’t function properly without it, meaning he wouldn’t be able to fight without smoking, wouldn’t that be cheating?
dedstrk316 - February 10, 2012 via mobile
No, Silva took steroids because of back pains and he didn’t want to put the UFC in a horrible position and back out of his headline fight with Evans at UFC 108… Diaz screwed the UFC and made them look stupid, while Silva actually helped out the UFC by still going ahead with the fight.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
WHAT???? That comment is the most ridiculous thing Iv ever heard, shut down your computer & step away before you hurt yourself
MooreUNITED - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Yes truth is ridiculous. Silva reportedly took a steroid to help him recover from an injury sustained a few weeks before the fight.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Yep. What Thiago Silva was wrong, but when he got injured, he had two options, drop out of the fight and miss out on a big payday and have trouble meeting his financial responsibilities, or take the steroid shot to help his back injury, take the fight, and hope he doesn’t get caught. He was stuck in a really tough situation. You definitely can understand why he made the choice he did…
Shnak - February 9, 2012
True, but was he allowed to do it by the AC? No? Then he cheated. A cheat is a cheat, and if I call Diaz one, I’m calling Silva one too (and Sonnen, and many others)
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
Haha, I already agree with you on that point in this post Fraser
I was just giving Moore the back story of Silva’s incident last year. He cheated and he got his punishment.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Didn't you listen to Sonnen?
He got permission from someone to talked to a guy who knew someone else who was linked to the athletic commissioner.
How DARE you, sir.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
I envy you Fraser
Your world is just black and white, so simple to understand, you don’t have to think and differentiate at all, everything is the same, right?
By the way, is meditation or listening to the ocean waves also cheating, I mean it helps you relax.
feiwongfu - February 10, 2012
That depends
Is either meditation or listening to the ocean waves prohibited by the NSAC? I can’t say for sure, myself, but it should be pretty easy to find out, since the NSAC rules on prohibited substances is, in fact, black and white.
JoshSBooks - February 10, 2012
There is a difference between breaking a rule and cheating
What he did was illegal no one debates that, but Diaz put no shit into his body that gave him an unfair advantage or did anything else that put his opponent at a disadvantage
feiwongfu - February 10, 2012
There’s no need to be rude and sarcastic in your response to me. Thanks.
I guess to me there are some advantages that marijuana can give you in MMA. It can help you focus, it can help you relax your mind and your body. Those are good things for a fighter. So if you are taking something you are not allowed to take, and you’re gaining an advantage because of it, then yes, I do consider that cheating.
Fraser Coffeen - February 10, 2012
I don't consider sarcasm as rude
but if I should have offended you, my apologies. To your point that marijuana hands you an advantage, I disagree completly. At least in my experience I can’t imagine that it does, but even if, he would have had to smoke it on fight day to gain the desired outcome, the effect doesn’t last that long. It’s not like with steroids which build up your physical constitution to a more lasting effect.
feiwongfu - February 10, 2012
No worries, and thanks for your response.
My issue with a lot of this “is it an advantage or is it not” thing is that it tends to boil down to this kind of anecdotal evidence, which I don’t always find super compelling. Marijuana affects different people in different ways and it seems entirely possible it affects Diaz in an advantageous way.
That said, your point about its short lasting effects is a very good one, and something I have not heard brought up too much yet. That’s definitely a factor to take into consideration. Was he impaired at the time of the fight? Not sure we’ll ever have that answer, but you-re right – it’s an important question to ask.
Fraser Coffeen - February 10, 2012
And Diaz smokes weed so he doesn't freak out and beat the shit outta everyone on the planet.
The difference is Diaz’s medicine isn’t gonna turn him into a freak of nature, if anything it’s gonna slow him down.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Ok
So, should they care for Diaz’ safety if the substance slows him down and not let him fight?
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Sure
I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished, he broke the rules as they are written (even though they are fucking redonk) but to say he’s cheating seems inaccurate.
The only way weed is a PED is if you’re fighting a bag of funyuns.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
I agree that it is ridiculous
But he is still being punished for breaking a rule, a rule that he seems to not care about.
It’s kinda ironic that the thing that makes Diaz appealing (His all around not caring) Is what’s gonna cost him some chunks of his fighting career if he doesn’t at least slows down on the weed
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Yup
It’s his life not ours and the last thing any of us should want is for him to lose his job . We don’t know what kinda problems Nick has or where his head is at . Shame on Tim Burke .
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
It’s not that we want him to lose his job, it’s the fact that he may cost the UFC money by keeping him around. From a business standpoint, Nick Diaz should be released like any other unruly employee in a company. From a personal standpoint, I like to watch Diaz fight, it doesn’t mean that his decisions aren’t dumb outside of he cage. if he is sick and he really needs the weed, he should go through all the appropriate channels to try and get that exmption if it is at all possible, but just not giving a fuck isn’t gonna cut it, if he keeps breaking rules he will be fired no matter how good he is.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Why do you care if the UFC lost money (not sure how they lost money by this anyway)
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
They lose more immediate money since the UFC can’t put him in a card soon since he will be suspended. Why do care? Because I am interested in things such as that.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
This isn't the NFL with upfront $$ in the contracts
If you can’t fight, you don’t get paid.
So how is the UFC losing money?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
No Diaz
means probably less PPV buys. Hence why it’s probably the reason they are keeping him.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
So they should compensate for the loss of his potential PPV buys
by cutting him?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
I think the idea is if u don't punish people, they and others will continue to do it, which damages their value to the company which needs them to appear in fights
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012 via mobile
well lets see what happened to others
because of tweeting. This is something more serious although i m glad it was “just” weed not something else and UFC is lucky, because Diaz didnt win the fight. If he won it would be ruled a no contest and we should wait for long enough to see him in the cage with GSP. He should have known what he s into and so should his camp period. I hope to see him fighting though because he is one of my favorites really but this one he has messed it up. If anyone its him who lost the most this time. and yupp the fans.
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Exactly. As a fan all I care about is seeing a good fucking fight. How much he annoys his employer is none of my fucking business.
They just sold 400K pay per views. He’s not losing them money
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
Question
Is it a PED if he needs it to be able to set foot in the cage because of his anxiety? I mean, if he wouldn’t be able to get in the cage in a state of sobriety because of his anxiety, and he smokes weed to be able to get in the cage, I’d say that’s a PED. IT allows him to perform where he would be unable to under normal circumstances. Now this is just a question and is hypothetical because I have no clue of that’s what he does but people have been saying, in these posts this past week, that he takes it for anxiety.
dedstrk316 - February 10, 2012 via mobile
I was waiting for a 'slap yoself'.
You disappoint.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Thats a bit of a stretch, he didn't "help" the UFC anymore than Diaz did
They both fought their fights. If youre going to rationalize Silva, you can also rationalize that Diaz needed weed as well. The difference is weed doesn’t put his opponent at a disadvantage. Please don’t tell me about weed giving Diaz any advantage, I’m talking about real life, not theory.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
he didn't screw them
he lost the fight and the rematch was in doubt
Cunny - February 10, 2012
Or more likely.
Because he had a lingering lower back injury and would lose a payday if he didn’t.
Magaca - February 10, 2012
Assuming that he tells the truth.
dancingChicken - February 10, 2012
What about anti-depressants? What if he practices yoga to relax?
What if he likes to get drunk to relax?
Erasedhead - February 10, 2012
You can take that up with the commission if you want, but the commission says you are not allowed to take it. Doing something you are not allowed to do = cheating. Again, I can’t possibly see a different definition here.
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
doing something you are not allowed to do does not = cheating. What the F’ are you talking about. If a guy get’s caught traveling in basketball is it cheating? No it’s called a foul or a violation of rules and you get penalized. It’s not called cheating. He wasn’t trying to gain an unfair advantage or deceive anyone.
To call it cheating is stupid
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
If you take an extra step in basketball
and you are not called on it you get an unfair advantage which means it’s cheating.
Diaz got caught with a banned substance in his body and is being penalized for it.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
actually fuck that. It was a bad analogy. A better one would be playing basketball with a jersey that wasn't tucked in or with a symbol that wasn't allowed
Now the player is breaking the rules and he’ll get fined a shit load. but is he cheating. FUCK NO. Because Nick Diaz wasn’t trying to gain an unfair advantage it wasn’t cheating.
So fucking clearly breakin the rules doesn’t= cheating
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
I agree with that analogy
But a rule is a rule and he will get punished if he breaks it, no matter how ridiculous people think the rule is. He may not get released now, but if he keeps it up he could get the pink slip sooner rather than later.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
That argument is stupid.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
no. To say that anything that breaks a rule in sport is cheating is stupid.
Its not only stupid but willfully fucking ignorant and means you know nothing about sports. Sorry
Robust23 - February 10, 2012
Homie, you just equated traveling in basketball (something punishable by a couple of shots in the rules of the sport) with testing positive for weed (something punishable by up to a year on the sidelines of the sport you participate in).
Who doesn’t know anything about sports?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Dude
No one gets foul shots for traveling. That’s a change in possession.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
ouch
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
For real? Wow, I’m outta touch. The Grizzlies left a long time ago, I musta lost track.
Still though, you wanna tell this kid that Shareef Abdur-Rahim deserves a year on the sidelines for 3 in the key?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Shareef retired
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Mike Bibby? He’s probably the only Grizz player left, right?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
he shoots he scores!
barely hanging on with the Knicks…
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
he's been replaced
BY LINSANITY!!!!
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Comments like that make me happy I don't watch basketball
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
LINSANITY!!!!!!!!!!
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
#LINNING
sun yue - February 10, 2012
I knew you'd respond to this lol
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
It's my Bat-Signal
sun yue - February 10, 2012
Lin actually has a really good story
As an undrafted player who went from a nobody with an un-guaranteed minimum contract, to a star within a week.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
in a city with a huge Chinese
and Chinese-American population
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
It's lincredible how he took over the linteret
all he does is lin.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
*writing these down for the next knicks game I go to
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Yup
Currentlyh living on his Med student brother’s couch.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
He’s a Knick? Shows how much I know, I thought he was still slummin it in Faber’s hometown.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I wasn’t equating anything. All I was trying to say is unlike what your boy Fraser was saying, all rule violations DO NOT equal cheating. Are you following? And as Subo clearly pointed out, traveling doesn’t lead to foul shots homie
Robust23 - February 10, 2012
In the NBA if you curse at a ref you’re breaking the rules right? Doing something you are not allowed to do. Yeah, you get fined for it maybe even suspended. But is it cheating? FUCK NO.
Doing something you are not allowed to do does not = cheating.
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
that's a incredibly black and white view on this subject
your well with in your right to have. but forgive the rest of us who egknowledge the difference tween steroid cheating and a guy smoking pot. there both banned true but even the ac has them classified different, ped and substance of abuse. I agree he should be punish and its well with in zuffas right to terminate him for His various headaches.
Elstriko - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Eggknowledge?
Major B - February 10, 2012
Well done
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I normally would have left it alone, but the plethora of grammatical errors in that post really made my head hurt.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Just a guess...
English is not his/her primary language.
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
You train at Ascension or live in the ATL?
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
Sentence structure would suggest that they learned English as a primary language.
But…it also looks like they learned it from someone living under a bridge next to the Georgia Dome. :-)
Yes, I live in that area. And I USED to train at Ascension. Junior Assuncao closed the gym after he found out he was going to be heading back to the UFC. I can’t blame him. He was trying to make sure he was training full time and he told us he felt like he wasn’t treating us fairly by not being there as often as he should be.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Has he ever really explained why he got cut again?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Not that I know of.
We were all really shocked. The last fight wasn’t his best by any stretch, but none of us here thought he’d be cut after that, at least not for something performance based.
We were all hoping he’d get on the UFC Atlanta card. He’s got a big following down here.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
All I say was him sayin “I got cut, dunno why” then something about a possible dispute with someone, but nothing after that. He might have a unique style, but IMO he mos def deserves to be in the UFC.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
He definitely does.
The man is absolutely batshit crazy, i’ll admit that. That’s what we love about him.
But he’s got an extremely high fight IQ. He’s an amazing BJJ player and his striking is very technical. Even he admits that during his first UFC run that he was young and immature and didn’t really know what he was getting himself into.
He definitely deserves to be back, and hopefully he will be soon.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Hopefully, like you said, he can somehow get on the ATL card.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Fingers crossed
but something tells me it probably won’t happen…
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Na trying to type super fast on a mobile
while working the 14 day of 12 hour sifts. sorry it was not to your standards a sincere mia copa
Elstriko - February 10, 2012 via Android app
nah, no blood, no foul
i’m just bitter because i’m working too much. haha.
it was all in light-hearted fun.
I don’t take anything on here too seriously
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
you and me in the same boat
I work to much and have shite for written English. its a nice stew for that monstrosity of a post you read
Elstriko - February 10, 2012 via Android app
mia copa?
you wonderful rascal
Grappo - February 10, 2012
might as well keep it going right?
it just the intrawebs not that serious ya know?
Elstriko - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Nice..
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
I think the difference is that
the colloquial definition of cheating is doing something illegal that gives you an advantage.
What Diaz did was more like unsportsmanlike conduct, wherein he blatantly broke the licensing rules, but not in a manner that gave him an unfair advantage.
Erasedhead - February 10, 2012
I get that, I’m just not 100% sold that there are NO advantages tobe gained from fighting while under the influence of marijuana.
Fraser Coffeen - February 10, 2012
There are different levels of cheating. There’s Nick smoking weed to deal with anxiety and there are things like what Margarito did. They are lightyears different and to say Nick should be fired is ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Yeah. Maragarito is a cheating bastard. Nick is just a dumbass.
TheLastEmpress - February 9, 2012
except he wasn't juicing or defrauding anyone so your argument is invalid
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Nick Diaz is a hero. He is a legend who is willing to sacrifice his paycheck
to right this wrong. Yes. He will be suspended and fined. But the idea of having liberty to put whatever the heck you want to put in your body as long as you don’t hurt others will be legal someday. I am sure nobody is talking about boycotting companies that use child labor or people like Sonnen who are criminals in the real estate business. No. People like Steve Jobs and Chael Sonnen should be admired. But some poor dude who smokes weed and knows to fight, yes. Just fire him.
SheepleBuster - February 9, 2012
Yes
Fire Steve Jobs! And I am sick of everyone on BE constantly defending Sonnen against his federal conviction for mortgage fraud! I will return shortly with additional straw men for us to defeat!
JoshSBooks - February 10, 2012
Shit if they're gonna keep Thiago Silva after he fought on PEDs
They’re gonna keep Nick. Guy gets people talking about UFC good or bad.
FreeLightningLee - February 9, 2012
How do you not see the difference between a first time and repeat offender?
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
I don't consider testing + for weed twice
Anywhere near as bad as knowingly use fake urine to hide whatever he trying to hide. But that’s just me.
FreeLightningLee - February 9, 2012
You dont.
But hey, you arent the AC. And again, just because you say ‘its only weed, bro’ doesnt dent the fact that it is illegal. period.
The AC says you cant use it, then dont use it!
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
I didn't say it should be legal or that Nick shouldn't be suspended
I am saying that if they’re gonna employ guys who have tested positive for PEDs, they aren’t gonna cut ties with one of the most poloarzing figures in MMA because he tested + for weed even if its twice.
FreeLightningLee - February 9, 2012
They're both banned substances. I don't see the difference.
Add to that this is Diaz’s second time effing up a potential fight and I don’t see a strong argument to keep him around.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
because money makes the strongest argument of all
Grappo - February 9, 2012
What money?
Diaz’s price tag is pretty heavy, should that be taken into account here?
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
For what the UFC rakes in overall no one has a heavy price tag. Not Anderson, not Brock, certainly not Nick. The money they make is a drop in the bucket to the overall revenue.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Chris Leben is also a repeat offender
They won’t cut Nick Diaz unless he tweeted a rape joke.
amendamatrix - February 9, 2012
LOL THIS!!!
..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
They shouldnt cut him
They should wait his suspension out and have him fight Fitch, Koscheck and Ellenberger.
Then cut him once he losses to all these wrestlers
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
I don't think any of those fights are guaranteed losses for Diaz
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Depending on how this goes, we may never know. Though I think a great wrestler with smothering top game is Diaz’s weakness
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
Kos isn't really known for his smothering top game
I think he’d get work by Diaz. Especially today’s Koscheck.
FreeLightningLee - February 9, 2012
youre right
I forgot Koscheck is pretty bad now. Though I was using him as an example because Diaz cant handl his double
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
But Kos loves his hands now and Diaz doesn't make it easy for anyone who wants to grapple with him.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Yup but Ellenberger is a whole different factor
He may probably win .. of course now i dont mean the pre-fight psychologies.. Cerrone could have won Nate too if he doesnt get sucked up with this macho game …
szanpan - February 10, 2012
....
Diaz has never been LnP’d
Ever.
Every loss he’s had to wrestlers has been close.
He should have been given the nod over Sherk.
Youtube it.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Youtube a UFC fight?
Good luck.
The so-called Beautiful - February 10, 2012
Kos & Ellenberger would be in grave danger of getting subbed
Fitch might be able to blanket a decision “win”
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
Popcorn gif now!!!!
Afrotikiman - February 9, 2012 via mobile
BULLSHIT
His suspension is punishment enough.
PRINTMATIC - February 9, 2012
Agreed. If the UFC wants to be taken seriously, they have to get rid of repeat offenders that obviously don’t care to follow the rules.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
repeat offender?
when was his first episode of failing a drug test while employed by the UFC?
tha dude - February 9, 2012
He tested positive in NV once before
I think thats where people say repeat offender. Dont matter if its in the UFC.
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
Guillard has been caught greasing and with cocaine. I don’t hear you saying he should be cut.
TheLastEmpress - February 9, 2012
When did Guillard get caught greasing?
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Back in the day
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
If you read above, I dont think he should be cut
Im just stating hes a repeat offender
Ricardo Arguello - February 9, 2012
Holy 8-ballz, Batman
greasing with cocaine?!? OMG that must have cost…oh wait…I read that wrong, Carry on.
Velosi - February 10, 2012
Who cares if it’s the first time with the UFC or not… his career before the UFC matters. And besides, after the stunt Diaz pulled around UFC 137 not showing up to a couple of press conferences, and now this, the UFC and Dana can’t be too hot on Diaz right now… he’s making a mockery out of the UFC.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
why does his career before the UFC matter to the UFC?
if mcdonalds fired you for eating fries on the job, does that mean that burger king should fire you 6 years later.
analogies. they work.
tha dude - February 9, 2012
that’s just terrible
alxn - February 10, 2012
It's kind of hard to make a mockery of the UFC
I mean, I’m a big fan of their product, but their corporate face is Dana White, and I don’t think he’s ever spoken a complete paragraph that could be put out if that dude has ever spoken a complete paragraph that could be put out unedited by a major news outlet. That being said, I still think the UFC would be within their rights to dump Diaz.
JoshSBooks - February 10, 2012
Speaking of unedited paragraphs…
KingBrody - February 10, 2012 via mobile
D'oh
Although, in my defense, my incoherence is fit for a family newspaper.
JoshSBooks - February 10, 2012
Hes retired, cutting him the UFC is redundant
terzergoss - February 9, 2012
I don’t agree with you, but I can see where you are coming from here. The most enjoyable part of all of this is to see troll explosion. If you look above me, you’ll see clear examples.
mountaineers101 - February 9, 2012
and below you haha
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
um...no
RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer - February 9, 2012 via mobile
I won’t stand for a Tucker Max fanatic calling me pathetic.
smoogy2 - February 9, 2012
Even I have to rec that.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
Fair.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
hahaha unreal
Austin Wilson - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
I am the Hakeem Olajuwon of easy rec layups
smoogy2 - February 9, 2012
I don't care for him
and picked Condit to beat him, but if he does his time, he should be able to make a living like anyone else. If someone wants to pay him to beat somebody up, that’s cool by me, UFC or Bum Fights.
Dootch - February 9, 2012
I disagree
The Nevada Athletic commission considers weed illegal, which is fair enough. However, the state of CA considers medical marijuana legal under certain circumstances. Regardless of your view of CA medical marijuana and whether you think they give cards out for minor reasons or not, Nick Diaz’s use of marijuana is legal in a sense. Moreover, there’s no proof he actively used marijuana under the Nevada AC’s jurisdiction (i.e. the marijuana was probably in his system from usage in CA).
People defend Diaz not because they are “ignoring his transgressions”, but because they do not see his marijuana usage as a transgression IMO
Robert V-U - February 9, 2012
Doesn't matter at all.
Nikc Diaz is a contractor employed by the UFC to fight in any state that they line up. As such, it’s his responsibility to comply with ALL of their various requirements. He didn’t do that. Regardless of where he actually used weed, he popped on a test administered in Nevada where it’s prohibited.
If you want to have an argument about how weed should be legal or speed limits or stupid, the time to have those arguments is not after pissing hot or getting pulled over.
Forbidden Psychological Technology - February 9, 2012
Way to spin a crappy opinion piece with no substance out of a mild controversy. Where were you when Sonnen got popped and was under Federal fraud investigation?
Redconsensus - February 9, 2012
lol
RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Diaz fans are like runway lights at airports
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Please explain to the stupids like me.
I don’t get your analogy.
gzl5000 - February 9, 2012
You can see them from miles away.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Ha!
gzl5000 - February 9, 2012
That's stupid
He specifically addressed Sonnen’s situation in the article. Maybe you should read before posting.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
This article was not written when Sonnen was under investigation. “Where were you?” ≠ “Where are you?” A lesser man might point out that it looks like you maybe didn’t follow your own advice.
I don’t really agree with Redconsensus’s point or how he presented it, but I wouldn’t be so condescending or dismissive based on that.
Dodectagon - February 10, 2012
Hell yah
Owned
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Where were you when Sonnen took a victory over Bisping for a title shot? I didn't hear anyone scream out for a rematch though everyone including Chael himself thought that Bisping won?
blutspender - February 10, 2012
Everyone didn't think Bisping one
Fightmetric + a large amount of people thought Chael won.
discoandherpes - February 10, 2012
Both fighters did as best as they could and no one would expect a Sonnen Bisping rematch to be any more exciting.
Everyone, especially Condit fans, know that Condit is normally exciting and most hope that a rematch would be better than the first fight.
Tacoknight - February 10, 2012
YOU CANT FIRE ME
I QUIT!
chillnnsht - February 9, 2012
meh
Chris Leben is with the company still.
I’ll be nice and not say this any meaner, but you’re almost certainly wrong here. Morally, business- and precedent-wise.
The ONLY counterargument I could see would be Marquardt, but he blew it before the fight, scrapping it, not after, when most of the casuals don’t know/care
Cory Braiterman - February 9, 2012
Well, if I recall correctly Nate had also fucked up his medicals for the Dan Miller fight
and was given a conditional license based on testing within regular levels out of competition. Therefore, he was a two time [in a row] offender. Correct me if I’m mis-remembering this though.
pdl - February 9, 2012
Nate failed to properly handle things in time for the Miller fight. As a result he was given a conditional license which included post-fight conditions, which he then failed to meet, thus resulting in not being cleared for the fight in PA but somehow not making the provisional clearance invalid and costing him his win in NJ. I’m still perplexed by that, albeit I am not unbiased on the issue.
JustBlogGuy - February 9, 2012
Nate has poped more than once for PEDs
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Nate Marquardt that is.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
I whiffed on that so badly... thanks.
The argument is actually that he is a THREE time offender.
pdl - February 10, 2012
I've been making fun of butthurt Diaz fans for the last couple of days
Posting pictures of babies crying, all kinds of stuff. But man, even I don’t agree with you.
Scott Whitaker - February 9, 2012
I’m trying to picture Nate somewhere yelling: “Fuck them man, you passed the shit out of those tests! Both the a and b sample! They got nothing!”
Stanlee - February 9, 2012
rec'd
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Jesus, that's good
Snatchl - February 9, 2012
Very nice
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
You're an American hero
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
A+
T.P. Grant - February 10, 2012
This just doesn’t happen. Even multiple steroid offenders with legal problems don’t get fired (see: Leben, Chris). There is absolutely no reason to fire Diaz over this. If you’re going to keep Sonnen, a racist, steroid-abusing felon, on the roster, then it makes no goddamn sense at all to fire Diaz.
jammin.. - February 9, 2012
If this author really wants to see Nick punished...
…then releasing Nick from the UFC is not the way to do it.
If Nick gets released, he doesn’t have to sit out a year.
He can continue to fight on the international circuit where guys like Aoki and Fedor make plenty of money fighting lesser known and/or subpar competition.
Call the UFC soft on drugs all you want, but at least they honor state suspensions across the board and don’t allow their fighters to commission shop.
And if it’s the UFC’s integrity this author is so concerned with…To the general public, the UFC will look ridiculous if they cut Nick for weed after allowing Chael and Thiago to return after serving roid suspensions.
YODA YODA - February 9, 2012
bloody elbow just jumped the shark with dis yo
RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer - February 9, 2012 via mobile
THEFILMGUY - February 9, 2012
I love Henry Winkler on that show.
I’ve been tearing through A.D. on Netflix like nobody’s business
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
absolutely he should be released.
He can’t be trusted and is a total liability.
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
Yep. Plus, he can’t cut off fighters who won’t stand in front of him. Clearly, he’s got no future at the top of the WW division… heh
Shnak - February 9, 2012
How people can still give a shit about Nick Diaz is beyond me. This guy obviously has no respect for the sport he competes in, or any of his fans that cling to his nutsack. Not only does he bitch every time he loses about how he should’ve won, but he’s fucked up the biggest opportunities of his career by missing conferences and failing drug tests. Multiple times.
savik - February 9, 2012
The postfight bitching was really quite a turn off.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Because maybe we just care about how he fights and not about all that other bullshit.
Shotokanman - February 9, 2012
i guess i am pathetic.
ekc - February 9, 2012
You get a pass because you're some sort of cinematic wizard
Damon O. - February 9, 2012
No.
Bobby Flay - February 9, 2012
“In what way is taken a substance you are specifically not allowed to take (and, it must be noted, is illegal) NOT cheating?”
Because marijuana is not a performance enhancing drug. Testing positive for it is not the same as testing positive for steroids. He’s not making himself a better fighter or getting an edge over his competition with it. If anything its harder to do active stuff when you use it.
City Lights - February 9, 2012
They'er both banned substances. Testing positive = to testing positive. I don't see any difference here.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
I don't care what anybody does outside of entertaining ME with violence
if the supervising body says XYZ is banned and you fight under their supervision, just don’t use XYZ. Regardless of your opinion of XYZ.
Just stop the fucking nonsense already.
soilworker - February 10, 2012
Again, take that up with the commission.
Look, you can argue about the legality/usefulness/whatever of marijuana all you want, but it is a banned substance, and if you take a banned substance, you are breaking the rules. Breaking the rules is the definition of cheating. Seriously, that’s cheating.
Now, you want to say it shouldn’t be cheating, and it shouldn’t be banned? Fine, that’s a totally fair argument to make, and a worthwhile discussion topic. But to say he didn’t cheat is weird. He broke the rules, he cheated.
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
Again, taking pot relaxes him. Without it, he’s probably an anxious mess. Well, a bigger anxious mess. How is that not an advantage in his case?
Shnak - February 9, 2012
Are you fucking serious? Taking medicine to deal with his anxiety is equal to gaining an advantage? Please. That’s batshit insane.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
It’s illicit medicine. He can go through the proper channels to get that awful anti-anxiety shit that pharmaceutical companies make, or he can use a superior medicine (for him – not everyone) which is illegal.
Yes, I know it’s dumb. But pot is a PED for him.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
I’m sorry, calling pot a PED for dealing with real anxiety is fucking crazy. The pharma stuff is one thing but pot is much better, if it’s the right strain, in dealing with anxiety. Especially things like panic attacks. Klonopin takes an hour to kick in. Xanax sucks. You don’t know what you are talking about if you are calling it a PED. That’s like calling seizure medicine a PED for epileptics.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Dude, that’s what I’m saying – for a lot of people, pot is better than the medication that the athletic commissions let you use. It helps him get through his day-to-day life and for sure it helps with his training.
Of course marijuana shouldn’t be illegal and it’s unjust and blah blah blah, but it is, and that’s the argument you can make that Diaz used a PED.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
A PED is something that makes you perform above what a normal person can. Anxiety issues make you perform at less than what a normal person can. That’s the reasoning for TUE of TRT. Nick is not plagued by performance in the cage, like a TRT user is. He is plagued by the marketing leading up to the fight in the cage. In the cage, he is fine. In front of a gaggle of journalists he is not. There is a huge fuck difference.
memitim - February 10, 2012 via mobile
Then why didn’t he apply for a fucking TUE?
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Popping for elevated levels testosterone due to TRT (or anything else) – Fail.
Popping for elevated levels of marijuana metabolites – Fail.
While there’s an ethical argument between the two, they’re both illegal under NSAC rules and are punished in the same way.
Right or wrong? No “yeah, but…” Is that right or wrong?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
yeah but no one will respond because you’re right
UncleMax - February 10, 2012
Xanex doesn't suck dude.
Not for anxiety. Just sayin’.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
If pot is a PED for him
Then Condit would obviously beat the shit out of him in a rematch sans pot.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
Why didn’t Nick even ASK for a therapeutic exemption?
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
everyone on the internet just KNOWS they would say no, so there’s really no point.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
It’s a lot easier to feel sorry for a guy that did what he was supposed to do.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
he was SUPPOSED to be a bad ass rebel and not give a fuck.
Mission accomplished.
So feel sorry for him.
Why am I posting like Chris Groves?
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
I don’t know
But it’s probably not a good habit to get into.
You may never be able to stop.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
uh oh
you got it on you
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Dear God!
I’m never going to be able to post a thought again.
Without breaking it up into multiple lines of text.
Still, it’s better than wall of text posts.
People will still love me right?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
as long as you say "shit" or "Goddammit" occasionally we will be able to tell the difference
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
I don’t know, but maybe it’s time for a Leland Roling post. Leland Roling posts, named after the verbose, long-winded Bloody Elbow author, are a specific kind of lovely. Lovely is a word that simply puts “ly” on the end of “love”, turning a noun into an adjective – but only if you believe love is real. I remember when I was a child…
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
It is ALWAYS time for a Leland Roling post
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
My guess would be that it is b/c he's ashamed.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
Of smoking weed?
C’mon now. If Dan Henderson and Todd Duffee can get TRT exemptions, why can’t Nick apply for one for HIS prescribed, banned substance?
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
B/c it is my guess he uses it b/c he’s afraid of looking dumb when a bunch of people ask him stuff and he feels he looks like a moron.
It isn’t b/c he smokes but b/c he smoked and fucked up b/c that bunch of people with their questions frighten him.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
That he’s the greatest stoner of his generation?
(I was going to say ever, but there have been too many stoners.)
crazybones - February 10, 2012
To Haters...
people cling to Diaz because he is REAL. Most of these fighters are fake as shit. Big deal he smoked weed, he will get suspended. Punishment enough.
version815 - February 9, 2012 via Android app
To Enablers
Maybe Diaz needs to realize there are consequences to his actions.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
And you're a Rampage fan...
Whatever happened to Quinton after he was charged with those FELONIES?
Oh yeah, nothing.
You live in a glass house.
Bobby Flay - February 9, 2012
I am a Rampage fan. That was also a single offense.
Diaz has repeatedly proven to be a liability. Do you fail to see the difference? I can draw you a picture
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Yes, please draw me a picture distinguishing the difference between being a proven liability vs. a single offense. Then upload it somewhere. Then embed it in your reply.
Please.
Diz D - February 10, 2012
2 suspensions and 1 cancelled fight and 1 switched fight is a single offense?
Phildo - February 10, 2012
I think this pretty much covers it
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
In natural numbers, yes.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
That’s not what you offered. That’s certainly not what I asked for.
I have
buyer’sasker’s remorse.Diz D - February 10, 2012
You know how I hate to disappoint you. Can we still be friends?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
4000 PPV buys equals Diaz’s paycheck! he sold 10 times that. That’s all the math Emperor White cares about. Don’t tell me about Condit. He is a fine fighter, but his whole hokey “warrior” routine couldn’t sell water to a man on fire. Runtellthat y’all!
Mr. Socko - February 10, 2012 via mobile
8000. The UFC gets about half of each PPV purchase
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Still that’s 50×. Would you get rid of stock you had in a company paying you 50x your investment price?
Armleglegarm Head - February 10, 2012 via mobile
I’d think about it if that stuck was worth zero for a year because the stock did something repeatedly that prevented me from profiting from it.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
LOL
that s great!!
szanpan - February 10, 2012
When was Rampage charged with felonies?
Also, if the charges were dropped, why would they cut/fine/suspend him? Also, no one’s accusing Diaz of anything, the AC is saying they have a test of his that failed. Also, what the fuck am I even doing here.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
true but so should his camp... i m sorry for all this
I dearly hope we wont lose Nich Diaz because of all this because he is clearly a personality which is so rare to see in the fighting world. I m sorry for all this shit and i m sorry he will get suspended and fined its a pretty bad punishment for him after losing this fight.
szanpan - February 10, 2012
I don’t want to see him cut
But I would like to see him have to legitimately earn his way back up the rankings and not be given special treatment because he’s obnoxious and draws attention to himself through his stupid antics. Put him back in against mid-tier guys and make him fight his way through the UFC welterweight division if he wants another crack at a title shot.
He hasn’t fought a wrestler is years and I honestly think he would never have gotten this close to a UFC title shot if he hadn’t left and gone to Strikeforce to rack up a huge win streak. He’s game in a scrap but I don’t think he has the skill or the intelligence to defeat fighters who are more interested in winning than hurting their opponent.
That said, I’m not going to cry about it if he does get cut. It’s a shame for Dana and co because there was a lot of money to be made off him but you just can’t trust the guy to get anywhere near a title shot or headline a PPV. It’s not a risk with Diaz, more a matter of time and you don’t want a guy like that with your title. What if he’d beaten Condit last week?
If Dana is smart he gets cut or is given unfavourable fights until his brand isn’t worth anything anymore.
Detective Squirts - February 9, 2012
I agree!
…
szanpan - February 10, 2012
I don’t know or care what people think of the drug he took to get suspended, he did something that prevents him from fighting. No matter how much you love Nick Diaz, you won’t be able to see him fight because he fucked up, you should probably be mad at him, and the UFC should be mad at him also.
Phildo - February 9, 2012
No one is fucking firing Diaz.
First of all, the argument “rules are rules” doesn’t apply to marijuana.
Get a fucking grip on reality son.
goodbones - February 9, 2012
His suspension says otherwise.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
As do the police. And the thousands of people in jail for marijuana possession.
Note – I am NOT saying Nick Diaz should be arrested, so put those straw men away.
Fraser Coffeen - February 9, 2012
It's a damn shame that out tax money goes towards arresting, jailing, and prosecute Marijuana offenders
when we have a goddamn crippling economic recession.
I understand that he broke the rules, but c’mon. Stupid rule.
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
In California, where Nick lives, MJ is a controlled substance. It isn’t illegal, you just need to have a prescription to posses it. I do not know if he has one, but I wish everyone would stop saying ITS ILLEGAL OMG LIKE COCANE AND HARRROIN.
Sqwibbs - February 10, 2012
Where was al this outrage when it turned out that Sonnen not only tested off the charts for testosterone, and was subsequently found guilty of money laundering in connection with mortgage fraud?
Also, here’s Sonnen’s joke that he made some while ago:
Either way, what example are we trying to follow?
The NBA has Kobe Bryant, remember?He was accused of rape in 2003. Here’s a snippet of his words:
Then he settled out of court and he’s still earning millions of dollars.
The NFL has Michael Vick. Known dog murderer and overall fuck-all. He’s still running around and earning a hefty living.
Nick Diaz smokes weeds, fucks his employer’s plans to make some dough, but he’s still got potential to make even more dough. yeah, let’s fire this guy.
Again, Mr. Burke, why should Diaz be fired, and according to what standard of comparison?
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
Who made that Sonnen joke?
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
Chael Sonnen
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Because I still care to see Diaz fight in 2013 I am pathetic?
that’s a pretty fucking wack statement right there Burke.
Shotokanman - February 9, 2012
It's pathetic is what it is ;P
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
No
Tim Burke just
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
He deserves to get released but I won’t care if he doesn’t. And I don’t think it’s pathetic to get excited for any future Nick Diaz fights. The guy is massively entertaining to watch — an elite talent. I’d say it’s more pathetic to get all pious over a guy testing positive for marijuana.
jpayne - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Forgive my fat finger post above.
jpayne - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Guillard has been caught greasing and on cocaine. We all know about Chael. SHould they be cut?
TheLastEmpress - February 9, 2012
I don't wanna get banned but
You just called me pathetic.
Not
Cool
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
No, he said it’s pathetic that people still care about Diaz. He didn’t say that only pathetic people care about Diaz. There’s a difference.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
Pfff please GTFO with that shit.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Hey, not my fault you can’t comprehend what you’re reading… try to do that before you go off on a writer next time.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
I've never been on twitter in my life.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
It can be seen both ways.
And it could be argued that it is pretty damn irresponsible to write that given how people get stoked so easily. They could get pissed, feel disrespected and just leave, the traffic would go down for a lil’ bit, the site would start generating a little less revenue
I’m not calling for him to get fired, though. I’m a nice guy like that.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
No, there isn’t.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Ohhhhh, so you're just saying that the only pathetic thing is the thing I care about!
I feel much better.
sklart - February 9, 2012
HAHA thats good :D
…
szanpan - February 10, 2012
+1000000
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Uh .. no.
FlyByKnight - February 9, 2012
i'm confused i don't think I meant that
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
dont be afraid of unemployment homie
Gouken - February 9, 2012
It's simple
He’s a walking liability. He doesn’t show up to pressers, threatens to quit when he loses, and tests positive for a banned substance after a championship bout. And this is all within six months. I guarantee that you would get fired if you didn’t show up to company meetings, threatened to quit when you didn’t get a raise/position that you wanted, and failed a mandatory drug test.
Damon O. - February 9, 2012
Mike Vick
Ben Rothlessberger
Gilbert Arenas
Plaxico Burress
All still playing pro sports because there is a demand for their services (just like there is a need for an exciting fighter like Nick Diaz)
And those dudes did some fucked up shit. Much worse than poping for weed and missing a press conference.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
And they should all still be fired too
And it’s not even the fact that he got popped for weed. It’s that he blatantly broke a rule. Why can’t people understand that.
Damon O. - February 9, 2012
And the argument is that he Should be fired, not that he will be.
Which stands for every one of those examples.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
At least you are coherent in keeping up with your incoherent opinion.
You forget that coherence doesn’t rule the business of sports, though. But as incoherent as it is, your incoherence doesn’t fit.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
What about purposeful confusion ?
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Or wilfull ignorance?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
That would be sheisty.
I don’t think he did it out of a “Fack off y’all” attitude.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
when you’re their boss then you can make that call. You’re saying right now that Diaz should be cut cuz he’s unreliable and it’s the right business decision for Dana White to make.
As a fan who give’s a shit about that. As a fan I’m more concerned with the kind of fights we get then how much this annoys Dana as a company owner.
He missed press conferences…….oh no. We all see how much that hurt UFC publicity and the UFC’s bottom line right? Wrong if anything it did wonders for them.
This is his first time caught with weed in the UFC. If Dana can put up with all the shit other fighters have done in terms of violating the law, etc, cutting Diaz shouldn’t even be an option.
Robust23 - February 9, 2012
The stupids are on the loose sir
and it is fucking infuriating
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
U mad bro?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
...
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
shut up troll
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
lol
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
seriously dude
chase me across multiple threads today with this “u mad” bullshit just because I have a different opinion. I never came at you dude. Grow up, typical Diaz fan.
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
What?
I never chased you. I was already here.
Why are you so touchy I thought we were cool.
You are waaaay too worked up.
Get laid or something brah.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
we are cool for sure. i guess that is why im getting annoyed.
I am at Diaz overload right now and apparently its making me a grumpy butt.
Sorry, bro.
Mods, feel free to delete my being a jerk. I’d appreciate it, lol
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
lol
Damon O just warned me.
Note to self: Don’t piss off MDH….he has….powers.
RolloTomasi - February 10, 2012
Or don’t say people need to get laid
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Jeez Diaz really brings the serious out in this house.
RolloTomasi - February 10, 2012
I’m an expert in what pisses BE mods off.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
You do have a wealth of experience
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
the best advice is to just be very careful when shit is getting crazy.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
And mock arguments, not people.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
also,
Just don’t say bro. Or brah. Just don’t.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
Huh.. no bro or bruh :(
how bout brethren.
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
Brethren is acceptable
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
he said again!
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
my bad dude.
sorry for getting you warned.
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Oh it's cool
I think it’s funny.
Our first fight.
RolloTomasi - February 10, 2012
You guys can make up over a bottle of red wine.
crazybones - February 10, 2012
i would prefer a box of wine
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
He'll probably get another one for talking about his warning.
Rollo don’t learn…like Diaz
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Everyone needs to chill
Smoke some weed or something
IRodC - February 10, 2012
lol
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Sure got quiet in here
Damon O. - February 10, 2012
I AIN'T SCURRED OF YOU
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
You've been banned so many times that I think your account is immune to it
Damon O. - February 10, 2012
Can I also be banned many times and still keep posting?
How does that work?
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
You must beat Deo in a gif-off
Subo just gave out handjobs
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
That's commitment.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
In these days of high unemployment, anyone giving jobs to others should be praised, not condemned.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I'm not hating
Just stating facts
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
What does handjobs mean?
I was always wondering how this cutting off works…
szanpan - February 10, 2012
just google it
I doubt anyone wants to explain
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
No.
My record will remain forever. Wade’s already promised to ban me as many times as necessary to maintain it.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Don't forget your annual Birthday bans
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
HAHA
..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Glad you laughed...it's not a joke tho...
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Not at all
Did Subo attempt to get banned on his birthday?
Andy Anderson - February 11, 2012
But how can you keep posting?
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
magic
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
this clip really requires the Gob music
Robust23 - February 10, 2012
He’s a mod, and nobody around here should ever, ever forget it. Respect his authority!
sheikybaby - February 10, 2012
Harley hooper - February 9, 2012
they’ve been gearing up since the fight ended on saturday, but official word of the test seems to have burst the dam, good luck my freind.
Phildo - February 9, 2012
apparently I caught the stupid and can no longer spell friend.
Phildo - February 9, 2012
Stupid
It’s contagious
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Well
I just had a calculus exam, got the answer key at the end of the test, and housed that mofo! I ain’t gots the Stupid! What! What! 209!
Oh crap…I am catching it I think…
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
Maybe it's because I'm austrian, but your cry for oder and obedience reminds me of
I know it’s a little bit much, but as long as a rule violation just falls back on the person who violates it, I don’t care. Call him out for being stupid or whatever, yet calling for absolut law and order gives me the creeps
feiwongfu - February 10, 2012
Besides the brawl
He made it through strikeforce just fine .
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
he is worth it to me
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Not if I’m a top earner.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Please
Nick Diaz was known to be a volatile commodity when he was signed by the UFC. It’s not like Dana didn’t know what he was getting when he signed him.
As for doing stupid shit in your 9-5 and getting fired? Corporate America has been known to look the other way on plenty of character/legal issues with employees as long as they are performing. Sure, maybe not at the average day job at McDonalds, but if you don’t think the dudes on Wall Street aren’t popping pills, snorting lines, banging strippers, and doing all kinds of crazy shit, you are high on something yourself. Obviously, once it begins affecting your performance in the workplace and you no longer become productive, that’s when the man starts to take notice and pays you a little visit.
They day Nick Diaz stops performing, trust me, he will be cut instantly. Until then, Dana will decide when his character flaws out-trump his usefulness to the UFC.
It’s a bidness man, ain’t nothing more than that.
Dan A. White - February 10, 2012
I'm thinking people are confusing "should" and "will"
What Mr. Monster is trying to say is that Nick Diaz could harm the UFC if he gets in an advantageous position in the company.
He is a repeat offender and has often expressed that he doesn’t really care much about anything except fighting. That type of attitude should not be tolerated by a company such as the UFC, since by keeping Diaz is taking the risk of having something like this happen after let’s say Diaz winning the WW championship. The UFC is playing with fire and keeping Nick Diaz around might burn them, regardless of what people think about the subject of marijuana.
I understand the point that he is trying to make, I don’t necessarily agree with it and the UFC will probably not release Diaz since he seems to be bringing some eyes to the promotion.
But sure… WHAT, NAW MAN THEY SHOULD KEEP HIM AND WHATEVER, YOU KNOW 209 AND YOUR FACE IS PATHETIC!!!!!!
IRodC - February 9, 2012
I don't think he should be released.
But he sure as shit shouldn’t get off with a fucking slap on the wrist for this shit anymore like he always has.
doomrider7 - February 9, 2012
Oh Burke!
FightFansRadio - February 9, 2012
OH GOD
NOT THE DREADED ENGLISH DRIVE- BY ARGUMENT
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
Nick Diaz is a money maker
He’s one of the UFC’s top 10 draws. In a hypthetical fairy tale world you may cut a guy for breaking a few trivial rules. In the real world where money and profit are king, you don’t
Also, this is the fighting business – not the role model business. He’s not a grade school teacher that failed two drug tests. He’s a fighter. The UFC isn’t building a brand of Ultimate Nice Guys. He’s a fighter. No one cares if he smokes weed.
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
Diaz has had exactly one PPV do decent draws
There’s absolutely no reason to tout him as a PPV king
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
I'm not touting him as a "PPV King"
But I don’t think touting him as a top 10 PPV draw moving forward is unreasonable.
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
Unless he tests positive for a banned substance after a fight
and gets suspended yet again for a year or more.
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Granted, the UFC doesn't have a lot of proven draws
But Diaz really hasn’t done anything to show he is a money maker.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Name 10 draws better than Diaz.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Name more than 5 proven draws.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
When I said top 10 draws...
I was forecasting. But let’s say “legimate card headliner” which he has done now twice and my points stands. Which is, you don’t cut an asset of that magnitude for something as trival as smoking weed ( in this industry anyway).
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
What magnitude?
My point still stands that he’s not proven to be a draw of any level. A year layoff is not going to help that.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Would you agree he's headline 2 cards
And that the UFC would continue to feel comfortable with him headlining cards. An asset of that magnitude.
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
He's headlined two cards yes.
Would the UFC be ready to have him keep headlining after he’s proven that he can’t be expected to fulfill his obligations? I have no idea, and neither do you. And, at best we won’t know for another year.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
400k buys in today’s PPV landscape is damn good. He was the draw on the card. Hell, most of their champs aside from Anderson and Georges, would be able to pop that number with the undercard 143 had.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
It was a welterweight title fight
Title fights in general draw more than non-title PPVs. And I’m not saying the numbers aren’t solid, but I don’t think Diaz is the sole reason, either.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
An interim fight. Everyone knows GSP is the champ and that title is made of paper.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
people keep saying this, but the UFC keeps trotting out these paper belts to make money, I wonder who is right.
Phildo - February 9, 2012
Yeah, they had so much faith in the interim belt that they put Mir/Carwin on a GSP card. Interim belts are silly when the champ is going to be fighting this year, especially when it’s GSP.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
yes i think Werdum was the other big draw for PPV
is it just me ?..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
They don’t have 10 draws. Outside of GSP, Jones, and maybe Anderson, you can switch anyone with anyone else and they’ll all do terrible numbers. It remains to be seen whether Diaz is #4, or if UFC 143 was a one-off deal.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
Machida, Shogun, Rampage, Evans are all above-average draws, to name a few. WW is rather weak in draws, though. That’s what happens when they all look horrible to GSP, I suppose.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
Shogun, Rampage, and Evans all did ~300k the last time they headlined non-title cards.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
I think the title had a lot to do with UFC 143's 400k
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
The interim title may have confused a few casuals into buying it, but Primetime and GSP are probably the main reasons.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
Yup
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Ditto.
Hopefully, this means good things for Jones vs. Evans and Sonnen vs. Silva II.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
Shogun and Rampage nowadays aren’t as good as they were previously… but both Shogua/Machida fights did very well, so did Rampage/Evans. Then again, both Shogun/Machida fights were title fights, and Rampage/Evans was long brewing feud between two TUF coaches. So yeah, maybe they aren’t very good draws afterall.
Still, to say that Diaz is a money maker after a 280k and 400k performances, yeah, not quite.
Shnak - February 10, 2012
Right now i think the biggest draws are Chael Sonnen, GSP, Anderson and Jones
Also newcomers like Overeem who will soon mean a huge draw , Bisping possibly too, what about Faber or José Aldo?
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Chael hasn't really done anything to prove he's a draw either
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
That is absolutely ridiculous. Diaz has done absolutely nothing to show that he’s a “money maker”. He did horrible at UFC 137 against a well-known BJ Penn… then he did 400k here at UFC 143 in an interim title fight on a superbowl card… replace him with Ellenberger and that card still does 400k. For as many fans Diaz apparently has, he doesn’t sell that many PPV’s…
Shnak - February 9, 2012
I doubt there are 10 guys..
…with more selling power than Diaz. For kicks, lets say he’s top 20. My point stands.
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
No, your point is wrong. You’re saying he’s a money maker. I’m saying he hasn’t proven that yet. I’m right, you’re wrong.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
it’s called forecasting my man
Mongoose44 - February 9, 2012
I really think that the Penn fight
Elevated his drawing power quite a lot. he exciting, a high volume always go forward striker, he’s a polarizing figure, he has a superb chin, he has a great gas tank and always goes full bore. I have no problem saying his drawing power will only increase if they continue fighting him. He is the perfect fighter for the “Just let em bleed” crowd as he is willing to stand and trade all day with anyone. Aside from the weed and occasional publicity snafu, which may have done more to hype all the crazy stuff that came after than we all realize, cuz hey…
Guess who we’re talking about. Again. Guy makes buzz. Guys who make buzz sell fights. A prediction of higher draws in the future is a safe bet.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
Bullshit, no way Ellenberger gets more than 250k, tops.
memitim - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Almost every single Diaz article on here has at least 500 comments. He’s a polarizing figure and people buy his fights. You can deny till you die, but he’s a top draw for the UFC.
Tacoknight - February 10, 2012
Michael Vick isn't hurting the NFL
Nick Diaz won’t hurt the UFC
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
He certainly isn't doing much to help it
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
Who?
Vick or Diaz?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Diaz.
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
Diz D - February 10, 2012
i cant see it
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
thats what she said
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Fail… was a “not sure if serious” gif.
Diz D - February 10, 2012
Michael Vick is bad for the UFC
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
The UFC is bad for Michael Vick
If he would have done Human Cockfighting instead of Dogfighting he could be taking around Gulfstream IV’s, banging Arianny (allegedly) and calling people fuckers and assholes on Twitter for a living
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
HAAAAAAA :D
This!
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Michael Vick isn't suspended
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Marijuana as a "banned substance" already is bullshit
He should not be released, he should however be on a short leash.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
This would be jumping to conclusions but I think it merits a bit of discussion
If he is put on a short leash, you don’t think Diaz would do it again with all his Not-give-a-fuck-ness?
IRodC - February 9, 2012
He totally would do it again
I don’t like the rule that pot is an illegal substance, but FFS if he can’t learn a 3rd time he’s done.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
Yup agreed
..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
He was already put on a short leash after the crap he pulled days before UFC 137… now he’s making the UFC look stupid for not cutting him before UFC 137.
Shnak - February 9, 2012
Yep, looking stupid all the way to the bank.
You don’t like Diaz, we get it.
Tacoknight - February 10, 2012
Oh yeah, Diaz will bring a lot of money to the UFC over the next 12 months… good point.
Shnak - February 10, 2012
I think lil loyalty from the boss is appropriate at least untill a hearing is concluded
There are other factors that need to be considered before significant decisions are made. For example Kizer has made it clear that the reason MJ is banned is because of possible negative side effects to the user during combat or even possible benefits like reduction in pain. All of that is fine Mr. Kizer but you did not perform a test to determine the combatant’s current impairement, you conducted a test to see if the combatant had used MJ for a period of up to 3 months prior to the test. If they have a blood sample from Nick he should request that the blood be examined for THC to determine if there was any impairment at the time of combat. If he can somehow make the commssion confront the fact that their tests don’t accomplish their intended purpose (testing for current impairment) then he might find some leniency. Obviously, he needs to get some documentation illustrating his need for MJ from a reputable Dr. asap .
I know it’s not as simple as I’ve just made it out and there are many dynamics at play but I do think Nick can mount some type of worthy defense. It seems that making a strong effort in front of the commssion is almost always well received and could result in a 6mo suspension vs. an entire year. If he’s prepared to be tested a shit load of times he could just deny it and hope for a similiar outcome but i dont think he wants to go that route.
Hardy's in your face - February 9, 2012
If Diaz wants loyalty from the UFC he should be a reliable performer.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
he is. and you dont fire a productive employee w/o a fair hearing first. That’s all I’m getting at. Fairer the better.
Hardy's in your face - February 9, 2012
How is he reliable?
He lost an anticipated bout with GSP because he’s unreliable. And he just lost his rematch with Condit for the same reason. That’s two cases of Diaz’s inability to control his own actions that have left the UFC without the fights they wanted to make. There is no way to call diaz “reliable”.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
He's reliable in the sense I know I am gonna get my money's worth when I order a ppv with him on it
FreeLightningLee - February 9, 2012
I'm not saying you personally so don't take it like that
But people were disappointed with the Condit fight I don’t know why
IRodC - February 9, 2012
How do you know that?
He may find it impossible to fully engage / cut off the cage / takedown versus a highly mobile pointfighting opponent… Thereby disappointing you
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012 via mobile
If he even makes it onto the card you thought he was gonna fight on
Otherwise you just pissed away $60 because the guy couldnt be fucked showing up to a press conference ala UFC 137
If i bought tickets for that assuming the main event was going to be GSP vs Diaz id be fucken pissed with Diaz and rightfully so, GSP injury and entertaining Diaz vs Penn fight aside.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
you’d be pissed at diaz even though he fought in the ME on that card? ok, i just saw your avatar. now i get it.
Hardy's in your face - February 10, 2012
Haha i love how people use that excuse
Diaz beat a bloated BJ on the downside of his career and i couldnt care less about it, You know why?
Because Penn achieved something Diaz never will, TWICE, and is laughing his ass off all the way to the Hall of Fame :)
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
He shows up on moving day and always puts on a great show.
He’s a quality entertainer in the entertainment business.
How about this one,
He fouhgt on short notice in the UFC when Joe Silva asked him years ago.
Hardy's in your face - February 9, 2012
Unless he's set to face Heiron, then he doesn't show up...
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
that's true but you dont want the ufc to hold him responsible for that do you?
bottom line is his relatiosnship with Dana and Lorenzo is $trong enough that Nick will be fighting in the UFC when the commission allows it.
Hardy's in your face - February 9, 2012
Nick comes with a hefty price tag and has twice blown chances to show the compnay his worth.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
true
.. unfortunately..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
he’s had a dozen fights in hte UFC where he surely did show his worth plus a bunch of fights on SF were he carried the card.
interesting you never touch the crux of my arguement that a fair hearing is neccessary before conclusions can be drawn AND Nick may be able to establish that there was no impairement at the time of the fight.
Hardy's in your face - February 10, 2012
Carrying a card in Strikeforce is laughable at best
WMMA fights carried cards in Strikeforce ffs lol
And you’re argument about whether Diaz was actually impaired at the time of the fight is pointless, Metabolites were present in his system either before or after the fight and as a result he failed the drug screening and is now being punished.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
not sure if tim burke is trolling or is just that lame.
let fighters fight
macburn - February 9, 2012
I'm thinking maybe both
He had to know the storm of shit that would come
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
Are you serious??
Marijuana is no worse than alcohol… hmmm. how many UFC fighters are getting fired for having beer or wine? YEAH yeah, I know – but it’s AGAINST the rules. So effin what! The rules should change. Is abortion right or wrong? What is right and what is not right? Right and wrong change by the decade, depending on what culture you’re in. Yeah I know… but we have to draw lines and follow them… so change the rules! You’re saying someone should GET FIRED because of a temporary human belief about marijuana? As someone already, giff’d, get off your high horse.
Lek - February 9, 2012
Suggesting that someone should lose his job for smoking pot is ridiculous. Only in America.
Kenya_MMA - February 9, 2012
That's not his argument.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
What are the marijuana regulations in Kenya?
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Haha...
I believe that’s the dude who said memes are destroying BE.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Blasphemy
Memes are the lifeblood of BE
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
I’m Canadian.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
You shouldn't admit that in public
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
I am white, native american and black
where should i admit that?
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
The census
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
world star hip hop
Harley hooper - February 9, 2012
The internets
cuz no one believes you anyway ;P
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
im spanish,irish,native american but born in england
THEFILMGUY - February 9, 2012
you win
You are better than me in Ethnicity
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
Definitely not job applications.
Advice from a professional applicant.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
WOTTA COUNTRY!
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
man i miss that lovable Russian
he started the whole “In Soviet Russia…” jokes didn’t he? Where would Fedor pics be without this guy?
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
in sweaters
and ice cream
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
In Soviet Russia, ice cream truck chases Fedor!
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
not to mention FPSRussian on youtube.
“That is what the fuck I am talking about”
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
no not only in Amerika
..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Tim should be dropped from BloodyElbow
Seriously though, I’m all for criticizing fighters, but calling for their jobs? That’s something I’d never get behind.
Myke2525 - February 9, 2012
yup I hope this guy is working for free
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
I don't agree with Tim, but calling for people's jobs is totally justified
When Brett Rogers got arrested I think an article stating he should be cut would’ve been fine.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
There are people employed by the UFC who have done far worse things.
Rampage went on a Rampage being chased by cops on TV.
Chael was convicted on serious fraud charges.
And then of course the countless number of guys popped for roids that are still employed (and I’d like to include Barnett in that list since he is under the Zuffa umbrella).
Point is if you keep one, you set a precedent. This isn’t some Paul Daley shit. He lost the fight, got popped, move on.
sklart - February 9, 2012
The only argument for releasing Nick
Is his past drug offenses, and the whole press conference thing.
The funny thing is I don’t think Nick Diaz gives a shit. And it’s hilarious.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
It sure is hilarious to see a talented man throw away a career like this.
My God is that hilarious. So hilarious.Jonathan. - February 9, 2012
If I get mod powers
I will forever enact the “no sarcasm font” rule.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Fuck that.
Sarcasm font, when used properly, is amazing. Case in point: Go over to Amazin’ Avenue and watch how we sling that shit.
Jonathan. - February 9, 2012
i m sure he does..
Not because of pot but cutting his money that what will hurt him the most, and also cutting him of fighting. He does this for the money as he stated several times.. so it will hurt him for sure
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Tim Burke
Buzzkill.
Lee Payton - February 9, 2012
By the way, seeing the flame-throwers at Burke
Is totally making the fanpost calling for new mods even more important.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
Yup
Put me in, Coach!
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
..."I'm ready to play! Todayyyyyy."
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
Only one way to choose
BAT FIGHT!
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Nope, put us both in
Me and SS will rule this place. Earl Montclair will come in with gif support.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Yeah!
You’ll be like the wonder twins and Gleek
IRodC - February 9, 2012
The hell is Gleek?
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Fans of the shitty TV show called 'Glee.'
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
This
IRodC - February 9, 2012
There's a racist joke in here somewhere that I'm totally half-allowed to make
But won’t make it.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
I can probably make it
I am like one of everything
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
So am I.
But I’ve already made an ass of myself the other day so I won’t push my luck.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
I thought you were just Mexican?
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
?
Mexicans are a big mix of things, you know; Índigena, Spaniard (European), Arab, French, etc., etc.
I also happen to be kind of a jew, too.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
So you are
Jew-ish?
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Hey OH!
Highfive!
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Kind of a jew.
What kind?
The Kosher kind?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
The “I didn’t know I was even a jew” kind.
We’re all mestizos, mostly. I may also be kind of an Arab, too.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
Everybody is everybody
the deeper you dig.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Yep.
It is just cool to find funny things about where you come from.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
I see
Well we can make racist jokes together!
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
LOL
:D THIS!!!! jew – ish :D
szanpan - February 10, 2012
thought it was shooting saliva from the glands under your tongue
Grappo - February 9, 2012
That's what I thought too
I didn’t see any reason for The Wonder Twins to be gleeking at each other tho
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Gleeking is fucking gross.
Basicly you just spit on people.
I don’t play that shit.
Spit on me and I’m running you over with my car.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
when i cook for myself
I use my mad gleeking skills to test the temperature of the pan.
Gleeking tip – when you run out of gleek, bite the tip of your tongue to refill the reservoir. Also, imagine eating sweettarts to get the gleek flowing.
Grappo - February 9, 2012
man,
my buddy in grade school in the 80’s was the gleek master, with a deadpan face so set you couldn’t shake it with dynamite or boobs. I haven’t heard that term in years.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
i used to gleek like a spinkler…warheadz were the key
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
It'd be total bloodshed
In the end we’d be exhausted, but it would be worth it.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
LOL
..
szanpan - February 10, 2012
yup
lots of examples in this comments section
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
WOW
Zzzzzzzzzzz that is really sad
R.L.H. - February 9, 2012
I think people are missin the point on Diaz
I don’t think Burke is talking about releasing Diaz for this one event in a vacuum. Its the total package, and his general lawless tomfoolery and refusal to at least try to act like a professional/adult should cost him. Its only fair to every other fighter, and to each in every one of us in society that has to man the fuck up, and do shit we don’t want to. He doesn’t deserve to keep his job.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Nonsense.
Why aren’t people instead calling for him to see a shrink, then? I’m talking about a mental health professional, guys. Don’t tell me this is news to anybody.
He’s kept doing wacky things for a long time, now, that we have come to expect it. Still, this insistence that he somehow act “professional” is downright illogical and says a lot more of the people insisting on it than it does about Nick Diaz or whomever is out there doing wacky shit and annoying people.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
Jesus christ, really? Poor Nick Diaz
We should hold him and help him and tell him its going to be okay…..
That’s his family, friends, trainers, managers job. You can sympathize with EVERYONE who fucks up, because 9.999 times out of 10, they can have an excuse. I don’t buy that line of thought. He’s a grown man.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Really?
Why go overboard the other way, then, and get all bent out of shape when he does shit you are already expecting him to do anyways? Why not empathize with him when I’m not excusing him?
There’s way more butt clenching on your side, I’m afraid.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
You are right
we all know somethings not ok with Nick.. would be nice for his own good
szanpan - February 10, 2012
Haven't read through every comment so someone probably referred to it
But Nick Diaz cannot be cut unless they cut Chris Leben, who is clearly an alcoholic (arrested twice) and got popped twice for PEDs. Funny enough, the two times he used PEDs, he got dominated in the main event of a UK show.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
I’m trying to make the point that he should change his way of thinking in this regard. The 100 comments before this that say “wut about Leben, wut about Chael” aren’t really hitting on this. I agree that Leben should have got cut. He was a multiple offender.
Tim Burke - February 9, 2012
It just amazes me that he actually fails the test ! People and Kids on probation beat drug test every day given buy state Probabtion/Parole officers easy. People who have to take a drug screen for there job beat these test and Nick Diaz can’t ? Come on now Nick you should be given the boot for that reason alone. How no one told Nick Diaz to take a trip to his local GNC and pick 1 of the 100’s of urine cleaners they have is just amazing ?
Shocbomb - February 9, 2012
jammin.. - February 9, 2012
Ok, I don't agree with you, and haven't decided whether or not I agree with Burke...
But Futurama gets the lols
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Tim?
Have you written an article after every positive test for a banned substance per a UFC fighter? If not, I don’t think your article and your stance is fair or makes any sense for that matter. Cannabis is a medically regulated plant available via doctors prescription. It is not a performance enhancing substance that would give a user an unfair advantage over their opponent. Take TRT, another banned substance but available via doctors prescription. It IS a performance enhancing substance, a dramatic enhancement. The athletic commission and UFC allow fighters to use this substance as long as they have a doctors prescription. How does it make any sense that fighters can use one of the strongest performance enhancing substances in the world with a doctors prescription but can’t use a non performance enhancing substance with a doctors prescription? I know that your answer will be “well that’s the rules, deal with it” but that isn’t true. MMA is an infant sport that has a lot of growing to do in the regulation department. Just because a rule is in place doesn’t mean that it’s right and the only way to get rules changed is through consistent outcry. Judging is another problem with MMA regulation. Should we all just ignore that blatant problem and say well, that’s just how it is? Cannabis being classified in a harsher format than testosterone is insane, it’s not right, and it needs to be changed. Calling for fighters to be kicked out the UFC for this situation is a cowardly stance and one that will not help improve the sport.
CRWHITLOCK - February 9, 2012
Diz D - February 9, 2012
Tim.
You just been fadded.
nickrodamous - February 9, 2012
only psychblack has that power
slap yoself
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
Um, faded?
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Nope. Fadded
It means…something
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Release the moron.
I am done with Diaz. Never want to see him fight in the UFC again. He has no respect for the sport. No respect for his opponents. No respect for anyone other than himself. Fuck that noise.
Jonathan. - February 9, 2012
Nah.
I can assure you that he will fight gain in the UFC. And you will watch it.
Unabomberman - February 9, 2012
Its not just the weed, man
I don’t see why thats so hard to understand. Its a pattern.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
thank you!
It is called being a responsible adult.
Do people not get this?
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
lol @ the thought of either of the Diazs even being remotely responsible, hah.
Jonathan. - February 9, 2012
Right, do what you want
Don’t get caught
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Why the hell should I care if he's a responsible adult?
I’m not his Dad.
But I am a consumer.
And I want to see Nick Diaz fight.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Agreed
And Nick Diaz screwed that up
warren305 - February 9, 2012
And he's so goddamn entertaining that when his suspension is up I'll be waiting to buy PPV's
Pathetic huh?
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
Yes, it'll be awesome
The UFC should fire him…..the length of his suspension by the commission. Diaz deserves to be fired. He is also awesome to watch and should be re-hired.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Honestly this is the best argument for keeping him as a fighter.
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
While it is incredibly stupid for him to fail a drug test for weed, getting on your high horse and calling for him to be fired is also ridiculous. Firing Diaz over this would be incredibly inconsistent with the UFC’s previous actions for related transgressions. Furthermore, it would be a harsh penalty that would be difficult to justify for the transgression. Finally, it would be a terrible business decision. Diaz is a moderate draw, and all of this controversy is just increasing his potential drawing power. There have been thousands of Diaz-related comments just today alone, I don’t think ive ever seen anything like it. Why would you throw away money like that in a time when the UFC is struggling to bring in PPV buys just to take an ill-advised stand on an issue that nobody actually thinks is a big deal?
Essentially, slap yourself.
jammin.. - February 9, 2012
One look at this thread and all I can think is "hammer time"
Charles Awad - February 9, 2012
Not a gif but I like this one
IRodC - February 9, 2012
This is why they need more mods. There's too many of them. It's overwhelming.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
Just keep making fun of them.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
Diz D - February 9, 2012
Pointless article...
He’s already retired
Harley hooper - February 9, 2012
lol
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
BOOM
warren305 - February 9, 2012
lol at everybody in the world totally forgetting this
i forgot myself
Cunny - February 10, 2012
Thanks Burke,
Now I know not to read anything you ever write again.
ANance - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Sweet.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I don't agree with your opinion. At all.
But this thread is big on lulz, so thanks.
Hopefully I’ll like your next piece.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
I’m totally cool with people disagreeing. I disagree with a lot of things that people write, even BE writers. If you present your objections reasonably, it’s a fun discussion.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
This certainly has been very fun.
:)
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
I’m glad it was enjoyable.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Should have replied
“I’ll never give a shit about Tim Sylvia again.”
pdl - February 10, 2012
Tim Sylvia gives his own shit about Tim Sylvia
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
It was the first thing I thought of, actually. But despite what the guy thinks about me for this post or whatever, he’s been a cool commenter and the reality check for a lot of people that hate on Timmeh for no real reason. I think he’s an asset to the site.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Tim Sylvia's shit doesn't give a shit about Tim Sylvia.
Seriously, is he STILL not retired?
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
Exactly my feeling.
DEEPLimpact - February 10, 2012
Love this comment section!
I’m laughing so much my belly hurts.
spectaa - February 10, 2012
Jesus, Tim. What'd you do? Run over a dog? Shit on the flag?
Cause this is like Snowden levels of hate thrown at you, lol.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
he is canadian
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
Seriously, he didn't call for Diaz to be beheaded
He’ll be back
warren305 - February 9, 2012
When I read this article, I was like, “Eh.” Then I come back later and the internet exploded. I seriously don’t know what the fuss is. He has a point. I may not necessarily agree 100% with it, but I can see it. Diaz is about as reliable as… shit, I can’t come up with something so unreliable.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
I can't stand Diaz
But having said that I hope he’s not cut because I love to hate him….when he’s winning I’m pissed off, when he’s gettin beat I’m happy…but the one constant is that I never miss his fights.
cusebear - February 9, 2012 via mobile
Unleash the new mods.
Scootah - February 9, 2012
this will be their proving ground
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
like they did with chael?
hewsdaddy - February 9, 2012
the fucking trolls are out in full force tonight
Everyone saying anything bad about Beer Monster can fuck right off. Due contributes so much at BE and you all flame him for his opinion?
THAT is pathetic.
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012 via iPhone app
We need some banhammer up in here
MDH
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
No shit. Beer Monster fucking rules.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
yes he does!
BE for life
LETS MUTHERFUKERS!!!!!!
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
Gotta agree there
Broseidon - February 9, 2012
FIRED??? REALLY???
I think releasing him is a bit harsh. However, the frustration evinced in this piece is surely a typical emotion felt by most Nick Diaz fans right now, and many MMA fans. The first question I asked myself was, “How the hell do you get caught with pot in your system AGAIN?” It’s beyond foolish (all due respect). He’s a professional fighter and regardless of one’s stance on the sticky icky, as noted by T. Burke, it is pathetic that he fails to conclude that it’s a bad idea to partake while trying to maintain a high profile, well-paid career in the cage. But…. on the other hand, we are talking about a gentleman who dropped out of high-school (I believe). Quite frequently, Goldie lauds the accolades of the men competing in the UFC w/ respect to their college education. And justifiably so. Still, in any sport, a few guys are going to lack such accolades, and sometimes a dearth of education leads to poor-decision making. I believe this is the case with Nick Diaz. That’s not to say that all fighters lacking a degree are slow – not by any means. And I’m not trying to excuse one’s want of common sense. But in this particular case, and in light of the way in which he composes himself during every press appearance, it wouldn’t be a shocker to learn that Diaz’s cognitive abilities are a bit inefficient. Now, I’m not advocating that those with advanced degrees who fail drug tests ought to face stiffer consequences because they “should have known better.” Rather, I’m simply asserting that a fighter who fails a second drug test for steroids or pot should not be dispositively terminated, no questions asked, close the book, end of story. Another reason I believe this, and I know the “it’s just weed man” line is a bit cliche, but indeed, it’s just weed. I certainly believe that a fighter needs to understand that he cannot smoke weed while trying to sustain a career in fighting, as noted above. But Nick isn’t an evil person. Smoking weed, while proscribed by public and private organizations alike, is a “malum prohibitum” offense – it’s wrong because the powers at be say it’s wrong. It’s not inherently devious. With steroids, on the other hand, one can reasonably argue that it’s unfair for one fighter to consume PEDs while others abstain. In the context of competition, one could argue that it is inherently wrong to take steroids. The same case can’t be reasonably made with respect to ganj. Nick’s gonna get punished, and rightfully so. He will be levied hefty fines and will likely face a significant suspension – at 28 years old, the prime of his career. The “three strikes rule” pervades our society. In California, there is a three-strike rule for three-time criminal offenders (I believe that’s still the case). You get three strikes at the plate during a ball game. I don’t think releasing him his necessary for his second offense, with all due respect. One more time? Than it would be a lot more difficult to argue that he shouldn’t be cut. But not for the second.
miked612 - February 9, 2012
Lolwut?
warren305 - February 9, 2012
wall of text
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
I’m going to stare at this until I see the hidden picture.
crazybones - February 9, 2012
Thats hilarious
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Wow! It's a schooner.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
Its Beyonce
warren305 - February 9, 2012
Or as Lee Corso calls her
Bee Yonc!
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
It's not a scooner, dummy. It's a ship!
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
YUS!
Someone got it!
pud333 - February 9, 2012
YOU KNOW WHAT?!?! THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY!
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
You always take jokes to far Subo
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
Not true
RolloTomasi - February 10, 2012
that is fuckin terrifying
I am a full grown adult and I would have the same look on my face too
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
That is horrible. Just... horrible.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
...
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
can we find a new fire pic & add that line? sorry it’s getting stale
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Took one of the top two after a "kill it with fire" search on google images
I’m sure if I scrolled down far enough I’d have found one with boobs.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
there's a scarier one with an older girl out there somewhere
Cunny - February 10, 2012
THAT'S JUST A GUY IN A SUIT!
MicahtheCynic - February 10, 2012
you dumb bastard. its not a schooner its a sailboat
hewsdaddy - February 9, 2012
That is one fat fucking paragraph.
It’s like it ate five other paragraphs.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
Thapa is that you?
IRodC - February 9, 2012
tl;dr
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
How the hell did you get the Great Wall of China all in one comment?
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
Just to randomly take anything you said to task
The three strikes laws are some of the worst legislation in the history of our country for a ton of reasons, and marshalling them in any argument is a guaranteed fail.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
Is there ketchup involved in this story?
Someone summarize.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
MY BRAAND
Body Triangle - February 10, 2012
Where's the "didn't read it" gif?
soilworker - February 10, 2012
Now I know why Dana doesn't pay attention to the internet.
Harley hooper - February 9, 2012
it took you this long?
Phildo - February 9, 2012
Anon made him pay attention.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
So should every other fighter who gets popped for a substance then. Stupid. When Chael got caught up in all of his issues should Dana have fired him? No. Dana said the commission’s punishment was enough, and what Chael was involved in was far wise.
FarmerInTheCity - February 9, 2012
*worse.
FarmerInTheCity - February 9, 2012
See kids
THIS is how you generate traffic!
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
NO IT'S NOT
IRodC - February 9, 2012
Controversy!!!
Yes!!!!
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
Yep
Just write an article telling a million dollar CEO how he should feel and act, b/c you know more than he does.
Harley hooper - February 9, 2012
Why Jon Jones Should Fight Chuck Liddell - Jonathan Snowden
One of the greatest threads ever.
SSreporters - February 9, 2012
true story
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
yeah
I thought this was a bit of a troll post, designed to rile up the readers, and ironically illustrates why I think Diaz is important for the promotion, he generates a lot of talk.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
Its weird, I don't think weed should be tested for or even considered...in anything
Its a naturally growing herb with many medicinal uses. I don’t think we should care about it any more than ginko biloba or ginseng. But thats not the point.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
im recing you dude
Andy Anderson - February 9, 2012
ginkgo is probably not something you should be taking if you're fighting...-->increased bleeding tendency
Also it’s fallacy to think that herbals meds have no effects just cause you don’t need a prescription for them. A ton of them interact with other meds and have significant side effects on their own. Honestly they need to be regulated more than they are.
But weed has been tested alot in many a study and frankly we should care about it less than Ginkgo in terms of fighting.
Robust23 - February 10, 2012
I'm on your side
but I don’t think the “natural” argument is all that sound. Opium grows naturally, too
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
Why is there no poll asking whether people think he should be cut?
I mean, the average age of UFC fans is probably about 20. I’d be amazed if 1 out of 10 thinks he should be cut.
( . Y . ) - February 9, 2012
So how many bans you guys thinking?
I don’t know historical numbers, but I’m thinking at least 15 warnings and maybe 5-10 bans on this one.
warren305 - February 9, 2012
so to sum up what i've learned so far
1. weed should be legal…
2. …but weed is illegal, and therefore currently unacceptable per NSAC rules
3. Diaz shouldn’t be cut because:
- “it’s just weed”
- not all of the the other fighters accused of having abused a controlled substance have suffered a similar fate (or at least have come back from it)
4. people are confusing sensibilities regarding weed and the rules of the sport as interpreted by commissions
5. controversial writing stances make for mighty clickthrough numbers
6. Tim Burke is not, in fact, teh devil.
oxala75 - February 9, 2012
That last one I disagree with
IRodC - February 9, 2012
In the iconic words of Hitler
“Nick Diaz isn’t afraid of anyone, and will fight anyone like a warrior, homie. He’s so real, he’s my hero.
I wish he was my dad.”
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/2/7/2783854/hitler-gives-his-views-of-the-main-event-of-ufc-143
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
First I was like o_0
Then I was like :-D
I dont do pics or gifs
warren305 - February 9, 2012
I don’t either, I just post em.
RolloTomasi - February 9, 2012
"Those kicks were for pussies"
Diaz aint scared a that shit! -classic
warren305 - February 9, 2012
The world is black and white.
Weed and PEDs are both illegal and should have the same consequences. Who cares if some takes one to get an unfair advantage and the other guy takes it because he likes to get fucked up.
Akatalinich - February 9, 2012
Nick Diaz
makes the UFC money and just made Tim Burke money by typing about him.
that is all
Pillow Pants - February 9, 2012
Beer Monster doesn't get paid by pageview
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
I thought these were as good as cash
Pillow Pants - February 10, 2012
Beer Monster with the heel turn out of left
The Lethal Haze - February 9, 2012
...
Charles Awad - February 9, 2012
They're being culled
Damon O. - February 9, 2012
Ah, yes please.
pud333 - February 9, 2012
I don't believe in a DeoBan without a gif
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
i just wish more of them had signed up to HKL first
so I could see the shenanigans
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
My thoughts exactly
Last I checked all we had is a weak warning of someone who will remain nameless.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Just go look at Subo's ban record.
It will make you happy again.
pdl - February 10, 2012
I miss being able to.
Like a stroll down memory lane.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
I couldn't stop laughing the first time I scanned through it
You should be given an award
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
It took me over 3 hours to get through it.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Where did you take speed reading classes?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
In Canada, where we FUCKING RULE. You wouldn’t understand.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
So, self taught while watching curling?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I could make a HURRY HARD joke, but you wouldn’t even get it padawan.
Ya see, we’re so far ahead of your inferior “education” that we read Subo’s ban record just fo’ fun.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Personally, I prefer the single black mark on your record.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Picking Davis to beat Rashad? Fuck man, nobody’s perfect!
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Damn, I missed that...
That was a bad idea
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Yeah, it was. I know I need to get over my Rashad hate.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Just give it all to someone who really deserves it. Like Dan Hardy
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I wish I could explain my history with Dan Hardy to you.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
You picked him against GSP, didn't you?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
That’s just stupid!
As I’ve mentioned in Ben Thapa’s excellent Tucker Max pieces this week, I used to write for Max’s media company. I was made aware of the fact that Mr. Hardy wasn’t a fan of my pieces that pointed out he wasn’t very good on the ground. He still hasn’t been subbed, so he has a point.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
he got subbed by lytle
still, he is a hard guy to sub – gsp coudln’t do it and a johnson neither.
Clifford J - February 10, 2012
Right, I forgot about that. Vindication!
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Yeah, a lock down guard waiting for a stand up doesn't make you good on the ground either.
And as far as “That’s just stupid!” So was picking Davis against Evans :).
That’s pretty awesome you actually managed to get Hardy mad at you for calling him out on not being good.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I AGREE.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
I'd read it again tonight, but I don't have that kind of time
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Snowden just went to war on me
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
That's just not true. I'm pretty sure you've been banned by everyone who's ever had mod powers.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Eugene never banned me.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
What'd you have to do for him?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Who?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I'm just gonna rec this......
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Luke Thomas always spoke highly of you, though. Go figure.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Well there was that time I told him to hold my dick
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
You’re confusing him with your probation officer.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
You guys are so uninitiated
POs are for taking your money once a month and calling you when you fuck up. It’s a whole other set of people you pay to watch you pee.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
yea shame on us for not benig parolee's and all
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
PAROLE IS WHEN THEY LET YOU OUT OF PRISON EARLY
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
well grats for getting out of shawshank and all
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
HAHAHA
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
You actually went to prison?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I hate everyone.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
This explains why
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Seriously, I don’t remember that in the story. Which makes what you said above…ya know…
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
And we come to the center of the shrubbery maze.
God, I wish I was in BE when I was younger.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
You should legally change your name to War Apparatus and do a blog about being in the Big House.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
They actually publish your ban history? That’s like being put in the stocks in the village square!
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I hope they make it public one day
It’s a badge of honor.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Do a fan post of it. Sort of a “teaching moment” for the uninitiated.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I can always go copy/paste
It should be an awesome fanpost imo
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
I agree, actually
I don’t have access to it anymore
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Then you just need to start a new string of bannable offenses. Try this: Rank Joe Warren in the top 5.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Oh I'll do it in two weight classes
subo don’t care
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Joe Warren threw me on my head when I was in 10th grade
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
was he the “baddest kid on the playground”? I’m gonna bet you probably still went to decision.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
he was showing throws at a wrestling camp, this was like 8 years ago
then had me throw him to make sure i could do it too
Andy Anderson - February 11, 2012
This would be awesome
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
let's clear it with yon high muckity mucks first
they might not want it up for w/e reason
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Just do it without naming him. Make it sound like a hypothetical. Go ahead. Do it. Do it now. No one but Tim is awake, anyway. You won’t get in any trouble.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
DO IT DO IT DO IT TOMORROW
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
Damn, I knew I should have cross posted my opinion post on Diaz over here
this is good stuff Burke. Well done.
Earl Montclair - February 9, 2012
You prolly could have bribed Roth to front page it too
Chris Hall - February 9, 2012
we don't have very good bbq around these parts and I doubt 5 dollars in free play at Circus Circus was going to sway him.
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Don't you still have a 4Loko stash for just this occassion?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I never ever had one.
I saw the things it made Roth post and tell me and I realized it was a concoction from hell made by Satan himself to get otherwise good people to fuck toothless strippers and eat too many gas station cheeseburgers,
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Roth is otherwise good people?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
i think so
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Actually, I like to poke fun
But dude has been super helpful since he brought me on HKL. Props to Cabbage.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
There’s a really good chance that Roth was doing that before the 4Loko.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
nah man
before the 4Loko Roth only banged the hottest New Jersey had to offer…….oh, You were right
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
The hatred you've generated here... it's good.
Not great… but good. Bravo.
Derek Suboticki - February 9, 2012
Give it time. He's learning.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
Judging by the comment ticker, I'd say he's a master.
Over/under on this breaking 1000 by midnight?
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
its long past midnight
(at least in all civilized, real parts of the world)
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Not in San Francisco.
Otherwise known as the last civilized, real part of the world :P
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
Nah, just kidding.
Actually, I wouldn’t mind living in Sweden or Canada.
McKinley B. Noble - February 10, 2012
Canada is the shit!! We got like no snow this winter haha its so sweet!
No more snowy Canadian stereotypes after this winter!
Austin Wilson - February 10, 2012
i grabbed a screen shot when this was at 420 comments by coincidence. by the time i decided to do nothing with it we were at 449. this was within about a minute
hewsdaddy - February 10, 2012
Surprised it took that long
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Now I know someone else that loves weed
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
I better be the person you currently know that loves weed
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
I thought you swore off the dope?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
…what on earth gave you that impression
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
General facetiousness?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Your probation officer?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
She knew better than most that I was less than sober
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
LOL
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
This is not a new discovery
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Burke gonna Snowden.
gzl5000 - February 10, 2012
the ufc should not and will not release Diaz --- did you see the ppv buys for 143?
lordrelay - February 10, 2012
Shut up, CRIME!
Is Tim Burke the Crimson Bolt?
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Haha this is retarded.
Nick should be released from UFC cause he fails 2 drug tests in 6 years. But
Leben fails twice for ban substances.
Thiago uses animal piss and was playing Vera’s head like a conga.
Melvin was a known coke head.
Chael in so much fucking trouble all at the same time.
And so on… Yet you dudes weren’t crying about it and campaigning for them to lose their jobs. Is Diaz not “professional” enough for you? Grow up, dude. It’s fucking fighting, not everyone is a GSP. You need The Sonnen’s and Diaz’s in this sport. Dana knows it and so do you. Diaz is an amazing fighter that people wanna watch regardless. He’s himself and doesn’t put up a front so people like you can approve and like him.
It’s weed, man.
I miss 2009-10 BE when the site and staff weren’t always trying to play the PC defenders of MMA.
poundnground - February 10, 2012 via mobile
I rarely ever comment on these things but,
Tim Burke should be fired from SB Nation for writing this ridiculous piece. Calling for someone to be fired over marijuana while other fighters are taking PEDs and calling people pathetic for caring about a nick diaz fight because he smokes weed? The only thing pathetic is the person who wrote this piece of shit. You seriously disgust me Tim Burke.
FacialMaker - February 10, 2012
Tim, you SERIOUSLY disgust him.
Not mockingly or jokingly or amusingly, but SERIOUSLY.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Can someone please post the Mayhem gif too? Just cuz?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
You owe me one..
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
and another one
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
That’s not Mayhem.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
SHIT!!!
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
it's late, we understand
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Got it!!
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
I'm just gonna go cut myself now...
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Epic Chris90210 fail
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Is Chris Hall seriously chris3942734798423432?
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Yes
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Am I the last remaining handle of the old guard?
Everyone’s banned or has a real name now. So ronery..
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
sell out sell out sell out
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Shit, I'm a Charles
And you see what they did to the Earl of Montclair for that first month. Fucking animals.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
C'mon Chuck
You’ll have tons of fun explaining that last name
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
How's that now?
Rolls off the tongue.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
“Where’s it from?”
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Ha
Yeah, well, I’m LEBANESE, let’s get that out of the way before I sell out. Even though I’ll totally use a fake name.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
you and Earl both
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Charles Freeman
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
I dig it
Let’s do this. NATE.. I want a four day banhammer and this new name.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
My real name is Andy Anderson
how do I change it?
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
The courts
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Well Andy Anderson isn't my legal name
Just my given name. I just am tired of being GladiatorRandomNumbers.
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
In hindsight, I should have been plain ol' Blackout
Sure it was available at that time (might still be), but Blackout612 is my gamertag/handle, so I went with uniformity.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Yup
Same here…well I just used the aol sn that i signed up with that I no longer use.
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
Shit, if I used my AOL screen name, I'd be reaching back to the early 90's
And you don’t even want to know the dumb shit I was using back then.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Late 90's for me
I feel old and I am only 23
Andy Anderson - February 11, 2012
You still got BV
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Has BV really been around that long?
I guess it’s possible.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
phildo?
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Oh yeah
He wins.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Just a little longer than me. May 2010
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Fuckin hell
I feel like I’ve been here for a decade, but it was May of 08. Lot of turnover since then. Lot more commenters, too. It was always the same like 20 dudes in EVERY thread back then.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
I don't!
Yet…
pdl - February 10, 2012
OH YEAH
So there’s a few of us.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
I figure it's like the rapture.
Not all of us are getting picked up.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
Yep
And this is just where I want to be.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
My thoughts exactly.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
You’re ugly though. You don’t count.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
You only thing I'm ugly because you're sober.
Either I’m pretty or I’m the drinking champ here. Make your pick, Burke.
pdl - February 10, 2012
rec'd and rec'd again
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Ninja please
You couldn’t drink a puppy under the table.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
So I'm pretty and you ugly.
Which brings us to you too ugly to be world BE drinking champ. World BE drinking champ should be pretty like me!
WHOA, RUMBLE YOUNG MAN RUMBLE!
pdl - February 10, 2012
I….what?
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
lotta scotch, tim
whooooooooooooole lot of it
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD! I'M PRETTY!
I’M A BAD MAN! I SHOOK UP THE WORLD!
And yes, I am Ali quote drunk on a thursday.
pdl - February 10, 2012
I kind of wish I was
but I don’t really feel like drinking tonight
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Since Jun 01, 2009
The amusing side to having your name changed is the infinite pics that I post has basically hidden me from GIS and other IS’s
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Still here yo!
pud333 - February 10, 2012
Yeah. He’s about to be Chris209, moderating on the ProElite website if he keeps running his goddamned mouth!
Just kidding. Andrea90210 is cool.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I think that's the closest I'll get to a compliment from you
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Shut it Brian Austin Green.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
You and your people are responsible for Tom Green
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
You and your people are responsible for Pee Wee Herman.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Brian Adams
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Celine Dion.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
nickelback
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Brian Boiiiiitano.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Brock Lesnar almost dying
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Beaver pelts.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
the CFL
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Chilliwack.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
YOU DIDNT EVEN SPELL IT RIGHT
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Only a Canadian would know or care
It’s what’s wrong with you.
pdl is the drunk BE Champ.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I will ruin your BE mod hopes with talk like that!
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Fuck, you don't play fair...
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Look at you tucking vag and running! Man up! Tell me I’m useless or something!
The third rule of BE is – this isn’t a test.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Vaginas?
Where?!
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
Brian Adams was Crush!
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
See above...
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
swagger jacker
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Not sure how to respond to this
Since I already used both shit just got real gifs….
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
Chris Hall wore a cowboy hat before anybody else??? ok, I admit I’m Fitching this bong right now, and a bowl of Hendricks has now completed my night. Can you blame me with all this Diaz anxiety today?
Hasta Rasta
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Shit
No title. Ummm… Get a new computer.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
LOL
That made me laugh cuz that’s exactly what I think when people complain about it.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Love to learn the history of this awesome gif.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
pretty simple
cody did his opening bit
SJGR got put on it
mayhem saw it, lol’d, did the same as a tribute
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
Confession time
I am a total Mayhem Miller …Nuthugger. Seriously, it’s a mancrush of the middleschool girl variety. Fucking embarrassing, but I love everything that guy does except gas out embarrassingly occasionally. But in my head, I make excuses for him. I can only barely stop myself from posting about the dude- I usually write a long post about him in response to something then delete it when I preview it to see how stupid I sound, lol.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
The obscenity wasn’t necessary but this is a pretty spot-on comment.
DEEPLimpact - February 10, 2012
You're so offended that someone could for someone else to be fired from their job...
That you’re suggesting they get fired from their job?
Fucking awesome.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
*called, not could
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Dana can't cut Diaz
Diaz has a medical exemption that allows him to smoke pot in his state. Dana would be seen as biased against a person with a disability if he picked on Nick. This is Dana’s chance to stand up for disabled people everywhere.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Oh hai guize what's going on in here...
Farthammer - February 10, 2012
nah fuck that
this is like Duck Hunt, man.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
That was a quality game
Wildty - February 10, 2012
coward
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Like he's got something better to do on a Thursday night
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
The sitting of babies is serioues bidness
IRodC - February 10, 2012
well at least he isn’t drinking piss
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Nope, he saves that for the weekend
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
not everyone can wait that long
Subo’s Duck Hunt
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I was not prepared for that
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
no one is ever really prepared for something like that
sig bet it’s a whizzinator? j/k!
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
It's just....
I really can’t say anything else that hasn’t been said in an intelligent manner. I side more with MDH here. As a former pothead who quit by choice, I spent many years loving the dope. I hold it no ill-will and think it has a ton of benefits and needs to be legalized.
That said…jesus christ quit the weed before and after a fight for once.
Farthammer - February 10, 2012
I agree with all of this
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
My thoughts on your piece, Burke
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
Well played, SS
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
this is quite funny
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Quite.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Earl Montclair, please use this as your av…it fit’s your name perfectly
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Should I do it?
everyone say your piece.
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
Yes, Silk Johnson fit perfectly with MDH
But Earl Montclair needs something new
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Change the formula
Have the thunderous successes of New Coke and Pepsi Clear taught you nothing?
Dodectagon - February 10, 2012
Fuck that, think IPad3 Earl
improve, expand, & grow
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Yes. Or this one.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
I agree with either one of these
a monocle is a must for you Sir Earl Montclair
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
.
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
BTW
Banning people because they’re responding to a write up that the writer knew would get lots of bad feedback is stupid. I dont see why a lot of you are assuming lots of posters would get so many warnings and bans. If I get banned for what I posted before then tough shit and I’m glad. I really wouldn’t wanna be a part of such a sensitive site.
poundnground - February 10, 2012 via mobile
Attacking the argument is fine, by all means
Attacking Burke or the quality of the posts at BE is out of line. That shouldn’t be hard to understand.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
"You're a retard" is...well....a dumbass post.
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
I AM SO SENSITIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE SENSITIVE!!!
Calm down.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I'm not sure you know exactly what you're talking about.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Not gonna hate on the author
But it is pretty crazy to me that someone who writes about MMA doesn’t want to see Nick Diaz fight anymore. I simply cannot wrap my head around that.
big matt - February 10, 2012
He will watch him fight again. He will not avoid a Nick Diaz fight.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
Like Condit did?
Let’s restart that retardedness
WOOOOOO
IRodC - February 10, 2012
CONDIT = KALIB STARNES??
WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!!!!
Answer: No.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
LOL
well done
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
A lot of people saying they just want to watch Nick Diaz fight
You know who’s preventing you from watching him fight soon? Nick Diaz
IRodC - February 10, 2012
Should I be mad at that?
He owned himself in a pretty idiotic way but that’s no reason to want him fired.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
THIS
Damon O. - February 10, 2012
That is assuming we get to whine about that.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
No kidding. Nick knows the rules. He has only himself to blame.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
TRUF
I don’t understand how there can be so many comments regarding his abuse of a CLEARLY STATED RULE. Who cares if weed calms him down, is medicinal, etc.. He broke a fucking rule. That’s it.
Charles Awad - February 10, 2012
There are still smart people in here.
spectaa - February 10, 2012
How many bans due to this thread?
Afrotikiman - February 10, 2012 via mobile
I was going to post a really great Canadian joke, but I realized there’s a time and place for everything… I’ll save it for a time when the risk of being hammered is lower.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Any time is the right time for a Canadian joke
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Ohhhhhhhh BANada, we hammer trolls, on B.Eeeeeeeeee!!!
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
Even I’m always up for a good Canadian joke.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Whew....that's a relief
It’s Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final in Vancouver, and a man makes his way to his seat right at center ice.
He sits down, noticing that the seat next to him is empty. He leans over and asks his neighbor if someone will be sitting there. “No” says the neighbor. “The seat is empty.”
“This is incredible,” said the man. “Who in their right mind would have a seat like this for the Stanley Cup and not use it?”
The neighbor says, “Well, actually, the seat belongs to me. I was supposed to come with my wife, but she passed away. This is the first Stanley Cup we haven’t been to together since we got married.”
“Oh, I’m so sorry to hear that. That’s terrible… But couldn’t you find someone else, a friend or relative, or even a neighbor to take the seat?”
The man shakes his head. “No," he says. "They’re all at the funeral.”
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Lol
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
Made me giggle.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
I like it.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Two Canadians walk into a bar
No one notices
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
He beat you.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I read his first
I think mine just cuts a little closer to the bone
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Leave our bones outta this.
And we’ll leave our bones outta ______
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Nick Diaz is a goddamn joke
Not making weight is unprofessional, Getting busted for weed as a professional athlete is beyond stupid so i dont even know where to start since this is his second offense.
I think cutting him is a bit over the top but something drastic needs to be done.. I say feed him to Fitch and Ellenberger and then atleast Dana will have a legitimate excuse to cut him.
In hindsight im glad Condit won because if Diaz got that decision this failed result would have caused the biggest shit storm in MMA history and tarnished the reputation of the sport as a whole and all the hard work Dana and the Fertita’s have done to get this sport exposure in the mainstream market.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
he has legitimate reasons to fire him already.
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
firing a retired guy?
is that really legitimate?
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
hm yeah I wonder why he "retired"
sad attempt at trying to get out of the game before his dirty test came down maybe?
Im not sure or accusing even though it sounds like it. I am just wondering
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
we don't know which sample was positive, the before or after test
He could have consumed after the fight…6 hours is a long time to finally piss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqQ62B8xdJc
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Yeah, that makes sense. "Hey, lets smoke a joint before submitting my POST FIGHT URINE SAMPLE TO THE COMMISSION.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Makes as much sense as smoking in the lead up to the most high profile fight of his career.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
diaz would do that because he doesn’t give a shit. And the people with him for those 6 hours who depend on him for their livelyhood wouldn’t stop them because no one tells nick diaz what to do.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
Diaz + weed =/= making sense
could have been a brownie, or vapo, or THC capsule…why does everyone just assume he’s blazing in the back while Goldberg’s running around shirtless.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I’ve seen lots of people do lots of things that I think are too stupid to happen, but ingesting a banned substance while someone is sitting there waiting for you to piss in a cup for a drug test is so far out of the realm of possibility that if it’s true everyone involved in letting that happen should be banned from the sport for stupidity.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
get the “good water”
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
i’m retired bitches!
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Until we know which test, and to what extent, Diaz failed there’s still a lot of speculation… so in that spirit:
Diaz loses a close fight, ragequits, goes back to the locker room talking about what “bullshit” it was. After kicking some mitts across the room he says “fuck this, and fuck these guys” and rips a huge bong hit backstage…
I think it’s a plausible chain of events, if not a smart career move…
Bloody L - February 10, 2012
Maybe on the set of Half Baked 2
But seriously, Who brings their bong with them to a fight incase they needed a pick me up backstage? lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
again, smoking isn’t the only way to get high from THC.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Might just be me
But getting high from smoking seems like the purest form since simply ingested a THC tablet feels kinda… weird.
Hash cookies maybe if im feeling exotic but nothing beats ripping a nice spliff or a bong.
Besides the Diaz’s dont strike me as the “I went down and scored some THC tabs from the corner dealer” types, I can imagine it now “I aint got no bud but i do have these kick ass THC tablets!” “Diaz: You fucken kidding me?!” lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Nothing beats Vapo
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Not a big fan
Altho mine was made from a fish tank pump so probly not ideal lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
yeah, that doesn’t sound so tasty.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
of all people in existence
you’ve gotta know that this would have the HIGHEST probability of happening with a Diaz…
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Diaz retiring
is just typical Diaz. He’s always pointing the finger at someone else. Never at himself. By “retiring,” it’s just another copout for him. Instead of being a man and saying, “I’ll train hard and come back,” he basically does the equivalent of taking his ball and going home cause everyone else won’t play the way he wants to. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say it’s his fault. It’s always someone else keeping him down, not paying him enough, etc.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
I agree
But why cut him when you can make money off watching him crash and burn??
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
This Tim Burke did something right
This thread has been more entertaining than the one that announced Diaz failed.
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
This
I haven’t gotten to be a part of a true BE blowup in too long….I missed this feeling
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I like to consider it a "cleansing"
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
A BE-nema perhaps?
pud333 - February 10, 2012
yes
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
We can call it Muddy Elbow, then.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
lol
Cory Braiterman - February 10, 2012
WIN!
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
I just laughed out loud
At work.
With only 2 other people in the room.
You just made me look crazy.
I hate you.
Major B - February 10, 2012 via Android app
Burke = Mad Genius?
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
he got so rich off this post
thats what happens when you get paid by commentz!
Earl Montclair - February 10, 2012
It's how Snowden got Anderson Silva money
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I swear I didn’t read your comment first…..
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
When you got this much swagger, you get used to it being jacked.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
I’m taking notes. I will wait a week and jack some more.
Wait, that didn’t come out right…
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I haven't waited a week since I was 13
Wait, what were we talking about?
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Fine by me.
It’s cool that he gets to benefit from this.
Unabomberman - February 10, 2012
Snowden was able to retire and just write for a hobby after his time here.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
Not weight weight is unprofessional but* getting busted for weed...
Edit
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Weight...er, wait....what?
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
NOT WEIGHT WEIGHT is something something.
Wildty - February 10, 2012
Dude you okay? Looks like you had a stroke while typing.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
somebody’s high
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
This site is doing weird shit to my posts and im not even on my cell, I posted that as a reply to my above post and it was worded correctly at the time...
I blame the influx of head explosions since this Diaz debacle seems to be inundating the BE servers lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Wildty - February 10, 2012
Dana will only cut him if Zuffa’s lawyers tell him Nick’s contract would still prevent him from fighting in another promotion. Being fired might not free Diaz up to fight elsewhere. If Diaz would be able to fight for someone else, Dana would likely just allow the suspension to play out.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
I don’t see whats wrong calling for Diaz’s job, This is the 4tn time now that weed has affected the mans career and more important his employer. I don’t see how any org be it the UFC can trust putting Diaz in a Big fight anymore ? It’s like Rolling Dice
1st- pride 33 after the Gomi fight Diaz pops dirty
2nd – Jae Suk Lim fight in Elite XC, Diaz’s medical information wasn’t submitted in time for the fight and Cesar tried to use his prescription for medical marijuana as a reason he should be alloweed to fail the drug screen.
3rd – the Jay Hieron fight in SF Diaz no shows the pre fight drug test
4th – UFC 143 After the Condit fight
Come on now I smoke weed and have nothinig against it but there comes a point where it keeps hurting your career and your pocket that enuff is enuff. But I guess not with Nick ? If he wants to continue to roll his Dutch Masters then do so out of MMA.
Shocbomb - February 10, 2012
talent and drugs go hand in hand! you gottta let it slide sometimes.
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carmine99 - February 10, 2012
I really can't believe I've been on this long when a live card isn't happening
Congrats Burke, you magnificent bastard!
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Stockton native test positve for THC on:
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
Brookhouse already buzzkilled all over this one..
@brentbrookhouse Brent Brookhouse
Since I keep seeing it pop up on my TL. Diaz was not “busted” on 2.09. The press release came out on 2.09
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
gotcha
yep..buzzkill…my bad.
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
While we're assigning new avatars, this one is perfect for Brent
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
It is fitting
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
MicahtheCynic - February 10, 2012
Most people make a distinction
between “cheating” (as was loudly proclaimed way up there in the comments) and “breaking the rules”. It may not be logical, but its real. PEDs are cheating, smoking weed is breaking the rules.
A cheater in most circles is a loathed individual. A rule breaker who gains little/no advantage is not rejected & often revered. See also: James Dean.
The contrived angst & (imo) faked indignation of the article isn’t shared by most of the commenters because its largely made up for the sake of the story in the first place.
“FIRE HIM!”…yeah, right. If it were in the comments instead of on the front page it’d be called trolling.
Velosi - February 10, 2012
Viewing the length of the comment thread here, This is probably futile.
But let’s be a little more sensible in describing this.
1: He is a second time offender, albeit in different companies – sort of, since UFC owns Pride, right? – for violating a rule.
2: He did not cheat. He violated a rule. Stop conflating the two terms.
3: There is a lot of validity for setting a precedent in policy for the UFC but, It is unlikely he will be banned for life, because he will fight internationally immediately if released and make someone else money in PPV draws.
I don’t feel like now is the time to sacrifice a top fighter for precedent. If it was coke, or meth, maybe. But weed is just too culturally in flux and would be the easiest of drug problems to give a pass to, and it is probably financially better to suspend him and preserve the asset. Its the most ticky tack of the banned substance laws given shifting cultural perceptions. I just don’t think it’s all black and white here.
DankNabbot - February 10, 2012
NO!
HE BROKE THE RULES AND THATS CHEATING
any argument against this is inherently idiotic and wrong
Rob Young - February 10, 2012
Long story short
Nick Diaz is immature as a fighter and a person.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
I disagree
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
You understand that you are, at this moment, the bottom of the Internet, right
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
Yep
I love the irony.
Harley hooper - February 10, 2012
Have we reached a fuck-ton of bans or still sitting at a shitload?
Afrotikiman - February 10, 2012 via mobile
I can tell who here isnt from cali
Weed Is hardly illegal out here. You get a ticket for getting caught with weed. A ticket! Diaz isnt going anywhere plus im sure he has a medical card its legal anyway.
TaylorMaysCantCover - February 10, 2012
That doesn't make it legal in nevada. or in a sanctioned fight.
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
Youre missing the point
Weed isnt a big deal. Diaz isnt going to get released for WEED.
TaylorMaysCantCover - February 10, 2012
I think it is you that is missing the point.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
I think your ridiculous.
TaylorMaysCantCover - February 10, 2012
I think you’ll get ’you’re’ right eventually in this thread.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Doubtful
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
hee ho ar ruu toray mr lee?
TaylorMaysCantCover - February 10, 2012
Somehow that gibberish made more sense then your original post.
Not a compliment.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
weed is a big deal.
The UFC is a fighting company. weed means nick diaz can’t fight. that means nick diaz can’t do his job. I would think something that prevents you from doing your job is a big deal.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
"People know me!"
Chin Check - February 12, 2012
This article
MostDiabolicalCasanova - February 10, 2012
We get more comments for controversial opinion pieces than some sites get in a week that ends with a big PPV.
Tim Bernier - February 10, 2012
This thread went from awful to epic quickly
SSreporters - February 10, 2012
So much awesome here
Chris Hall - February 10, 2012
This is worth Nick TEMPORARILY losing his job.
I.e., UFC should release him for 6 months, from all UFC events anywhere in the world, since it’s his first drug offense under their employment. Perhaps they might go with 9 or 12 months if they were pissed off enough given he failed in his promotional obligations twice for his first GSP title fight and screwed that up.
During this period, to be served concurrently with the NSAC ban, Nick would of course be eligible to fight outside NSAC and UFC.
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012
I want off this ride, it keeps going around & around & it’s making me dizzy
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Makes more sense to fire his ass now then have him sitting on the shelf for an extended period of time
Who does he think he is, Matt Serra? lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Yeah that’s not how AC suspensions work.
Derek Suboticki - February 10, 2012
it makes a nice story though
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Yeah, I know that losing one AC can mean other AC's won't license you
I should have said, if Nick can get a fight in other jurisdictions while released by the UFC (e.g. Japan, Hawaii, Brazil) then he would be entitled to fight.
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012
don’t fall for it Subo
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
The UFC isn’t going to let him fight anywhere during the suspension.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
you didn't read the earlier post
i said that the fair thing is for the ufc to release him. For a period of 6-12 months. If he is not on contract with the ufc during this period, he would have the right to fight anywhere he can get licensed.
Arca MMA - February 10, 2012
how would that be fair?
Commissions in the US still wouldn’t let him fight, and if he goes outside the US the UFC will be letting NIck and other promotions suffer from his fuckup, and it will be harder for them to then benefit from him later if/when the NSAC gives him a hard time about getting his license back.
Phildo - February 10, 2012
Also, the UFC can’t just condone skirting the law, that doesn’t sit well with the AC when it comes time to review licensing. Besides, Japan is far more strict than the US concerning drugs of abuse, which is really the only other country that could pay for a high profile fighter like Diaz, if they can pay him at all.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I’m sure he read it, it just didn’t make sense. Release with a condition to return to the UFC upon clearance from NSAC just isn’t definable in a contract, from either the UFC or Cesar Gracie. I’ve never heard a company say “I’m firing you, but only for 6-12 months. So go ahead and fight outside the restrictions of government bonds until we can sign you back.” Business and law just don’t work that way.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Maybe it’s my firm beliefs in social justice and activism at play here, but I believe that when the rules/laws fucking suck they need to be changed and resisted. Obviously, Nick Diaz isn’t a Takao Ozawa or a Marcus Garvy, and his problems are only loosely tied such struggles (laws and heteronormativity etc). I just find it extremely problematic from a social justice standpoint to take such a hard stance on the basis of ‘rules are rules’ when rules are often fucked up.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
What about rules based on laws that are almost universally recognised the world over?
Ive seen weed fuck over alot of people including my own short term memory, Weed is illegal for a reason.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
sun yue - February 10, 2012
ive seen and experienced the ill effects first hand
Seeing is believing and some crack pot “drug policy reform expert” ranting on his blog isn’t going to change a damn thing.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
It's not "some crack pot 'drug policy reform expert'"
it’s a history of how and why pot was illegalized in the first place with citations and sources.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
Written by some crack pot "drug policy reform expert" who is actually a moonlight photography/art curator with a penchant for the odd toke or two
With no formal qualifications or research to back up his “claims” it has little to no credibility.
An article is only as good as its author and he has neither the position or the credentials to be taken seriously by anyone other then tinfoil hat wearing stoners with insomnia.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
moonlight*
derp
WANTED: EDIT BUTTON!
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
omg...
MOONLIGHTING… I apologise.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
You can't change someone's mind when they're not willing to be convinced,
but I don’t really care what credentials the author has as long as they show the capacity to think critically and use scholarly sources. Knowledge production isn’t limited to professors. I could just as well dismiss you’re personal experiences because you’re not listing your sources, you don’t have ethnographic credentials, and an individual situation and because there is scholarly documentation that effectively argue how marijuana was made illegal because of race, corporate greed, politics, and heteronormativity. But I’m not because everyone has the capacity to produce knowledge.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
Cross out "and an individual situation"
sun yue - February 10, 2012
This hard line stance you're taking is a bit ridiculous
Weed should be illegal because people abuse it and can’t handle their high? I’m guessing you also believe alcohol, tobacco, prescription medication and carbs should be illegal?
hcblankscreen - February 10, 2012
Weed is illegal because people abuse it to their detriment and it is a gateway drug
I never said Tobacco or Alcohol were any better, Im a firm believer that they are just as bad if not worse but because the government makes a shitload of money off the taxation of said products it is welcomed into society with open arms which is bullshit.
All im saying is is weed is illegal and everyone knows it so instead of crying about it, Put the bong down and march to Washington and try make a difference or get over it because life aint fair and shit gets vilified everyday for unjust reasons.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
now you're going overboard
Umbilical fluid is the ultimate gateway drug, it leads to EVERYTHING
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Weed's not illegal because of it's effects
Further, it’s only a gateway drug because it’s illegal.
Saying that anything should be illegal solely because people can abuse it is absolutely ridiculous and goes against the very idea of freedom. You getting too high and forgetting what you ate for breakfast shouldn’t keep a cancer patient from an effective painkiller. Maybe you should march on Washington and read about the ideals America was founded on, I’ll stay here with my bong.
hcblankscreen - February 10, 2012
You do that
Meanwhile weed will still be illegal and youll still be bitching about it on some MMA forum making zero difference.
Gateway drugs arent gateway because they are illegal, They are gateway because people like you seem to think that weed is no big deal and dont see what the big deal is then before you know its "Whats a couple pills? Its only E, Everyone does it! ".
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
As you can tell, i like the words "big deal" lol
Sorry im getting lazy now lol
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Hey isn’t your shift over Officer Check? The donut shop is about to close. You’re like some neo-con broken record.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
What are you high or something?
hcblankscreen - February 10, 2012
“March to Washington and try make a difference…” you make it sound so ridiculously easy when it’s not. This “get over it” logic really needs to die because it makes zero sense. Discussion is “doing something about it.” Sure, it doesn’t have immediate or large results on an individual basis, but it goes a long way in generating dialogue that dissects problematic discourses. It’s like saying only people directly combating SOPA or the racist Arizona laws can argue against them. It’s asinine.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
Talk is cheap
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
You are wrong
sun yue - February 10, 2012
And I just want to make it clear that I know Nick fucked up,
I just take issue with the notions that rules are black and white, and that the quality of rules aren’t as important as the fact that they are rules.
sun yue - February 10, 2012
Ill just add the now stereotypical, Sonnen did much worse. Fighters allowed to use TRTs, ect..
I mean it’s just weed bro.
theworldismine - February 10, 2012
Oh the hammer has feasted on much troll flesh.
I love you Beer Monster but I have to disagree with your piece.
I think it’s completely relevant.
Weed isn’t defined as a PED, the only reason that it’s placed under the illicit substance category is because it is illegal at the federal level.
I really think that the debate surrounding the risks vs benefits of marijuana is an important part of the overall severity of Diaz’s infraction.
This is true. And his suspension is the best way to deal with his positive test.
If I’m right, the gist of your argument comes down upon the head of Diaz as being an unreliable employee.
I would argue that Diaz has been an incredible employee through his own antics. The fight with GSP got a lot bigger after this Condit fight, and imagining he won the last fight, the suspension would coincide well with a GSP return.
Again, you have an interesting article, don’t let the haters get you down.
And keep writing these sorts of articles, they make the best threads.
Robert Cowan - February 10, 2012
"An incredible employee"??
- He failed to show up to press conference resulting in his title shot being stripped as punishment.
- He failed to deliver once given another chance to redeem himself and get the superfight back on track.
- He retired after losing a fight that was judged unanimously and agreed about by the company President.
- He failed his drug test for the second time in his career(arguably the 3rd or 4th time).
You and I have clearly have different versions of what an “incredible employee” is because as far as im concerned Diaz has been nothing short of a nightmare head fuck for Zuffa.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
I’d love to see Nick Diaz as a night auditor at a hotel. The manager would come in during first shift to find the laundry room smelling like reefer with Nate passed out on the floor, and Nick choking out some old lady with a gogoplata because she complained about the breakfast.
MicahtheCynic - February 10, 2012
I would define an excellent employee as one
who make me a shit-ton of money.
And? Shitty move? Improper? Sure, I’m not denying that.
Nothing to do with how much money he’s making for the UFC. By this standard Wanderlei Silva shouldn’t be on contract either.
Is he actually going to retire? Do you really think so?
And the nature of the drug has an impact on this particular failure.
Oh, I’m not disputing that he’s a nightmare, but he’s a headfuck who pulls in 400k on a sub-par card, that’s all that I’m getting at.
Robert Cowan - February 10, 2012
“I really think” doesn’t matter. I appreciate the respectful comment, but our opinions on the subject don’t matter. The NSAC “law” is written (today) as is. If we were debating it in an open forum where it might lead to change, I think a lot of people here would be surprised about where I’d stand. But it’s not. We’re working in the here and now. This post is based on that.
I see what you’re saying, but…There was no fight with GSP, and there won’t be. There won’t be a fight with GSP for AT LEAST 18 months now. GSP will be back in 9. Even assuming this suspension didn’t go down, Diaz needs 2 wins to get that fight in the first place. That just seems like a convenient excuse to me.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
I’m sure you’re a reasonable person when it comes to the issue of weed under the law. Hell, you’re a reasonable person in all your posts. But to say that Diaz needs to get fired for getting busted multiple times for weed isn’t allowing for a difference in the severity of the substance.
The Athletic Commission is in charge of the suspension, but White is responsible for the contract. In this regard it really does matter what Diaz’s boss thinks about the specific illicit substance.
Well we’re also looking at the fight with hindsight. Assuming Diaz did win, and win decisively, the Buildup to the fight itself would have been a big boon for the UFC’s business in the eventual match.
Not making excuses. He did something stupid and will be punished for it. I’m only saying that Diaz shouldn’t be cut because: 1. He’s becoming a draw, all the natural drama he creates generates money. 2. The nature of the substance should affect White’s judgement on whether or not to cut him (PED vs weed).
Is White fully within his rights to cut Diaz with disdain for constantly breaking his contract? Yes, of course. But is it a wise move? I personally don’t think so.
Robert Cowan - February 10, 2012
I read the article finally...
Even though I should have been in bed an hour ago.
Was expecting something waaaaay more controversial given the reaction.
I tend to pretty much agree with everything you said.
Zachary Kater - February 10, 2012
Nick Diaz should get off the Heefer and the Penis Blooj. He should get into the Fruits and Vegetables
Burlap_Sack - February 10, 2012
And the Spice!
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
This is just ridiculous.
I’m not a fan of Nick Diaz at all, but to say he should be cut is fucking insanity. The guy smokes weed. He doesn’t try to hide it, nor does it give him some sort of competitive edge. Sure, it’s against the rules, but the rules are just silly in this case. Sure, he shouldn’t have done it, but a year long suspension is more than enough punishment. He is one of the best, most exciting fighters in the world and cutting him would only hurt the fans.
I’m assuming this article was written simply to get this sort of reaction and draw this kind of attention, but by doing so, you’re destroying your credibility. With all the guys in MMA utilizing performance enhancing drugs, shame on you for campaigning against a pothead like Diaz.
mahalie - February 10, 2012
In the eyes of the law and the commission
Potheads and steroid abusers are one in the same and that is the way we need to look at it.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
who is this WE you’re talking about? WE don’t need to look at anything, because WE don’t compete, nor are WE on any commission
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Taking every word literally to formulate an argument
Weaksauce.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
I'm arguing against a weak premise- maybe you shouldn't have written it if you didn't mean it.
While they are punished in the same manner, I’ll never agree that steroids & marijuana are on the same level, so I will never look at that way. Pushing that idea on everyone is absurd and jack booted.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I can't believe what I'm reading here
I’m just skimming over the 900 comments here but here’s my take.
Since when is it ok to justify breaking one rule by naming something worse you can do. That’s simply absurd. Taking PEDs is illegal, if you do you will be punished for it. Smoking marijuana is illegal, if you smoke it you will be punished. They are both crimes. Quit comparing the two.
There are also a bunch of comments talking about the fact that no one cares if you smoke weed. Really? I don’t and never have smoked but I have friends who have. At this moment they are going through the court system and are looking at probation and fines. The cops cared and so did the judge.
In the end it’s what the post originally stated. It’s not a surprise to anyone that have marijuana in you system is against NSAC rules. He knowing broke said rules. Quit making petty excuse for him.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
love them generalizations, fiction, & hyperbole.
doesn’t sound plausible…were they in the Mystery Machine when this happened?
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I'm from Wyoming
They were followed into the desert by the Sheriff Dept and all five of them were fined. Would you like links to the local newspaper with the crimes? One was my brother. Would you like his name? You sound like it’s hard to believe that people are actually fined for breaking the law.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
you’re right, the things that happen to you or your friends in Wyoming will happen to everyone who smokes weed, my bad.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Your obviously missing the point
A lot of people on here are talking like weed is illegal but no one cares, including police. They’re wrong. It’s illegal and people are punished daily for it. Justify however you want. It’s still illegal.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
Don't know why I didn't hit reply earlier
Sorry about that.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
Ignore him...
Flagrant Diaz lover clutching at straws, Reason has no effect on him.
Chin Check - February 10, 2012
Yeah
I just get caught up in arguments lol.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
It has nothing to do with Diaz
And everything to do with both of you making generalizations like “I had a friend who smoked weed & it ruins everyone’s life”, and “We need to agree with these laws because that’s the law” as if Americans voters can’t change laws.
My favorite generalization is that because I don’t agree with you, I must be a Diaz fan.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
I never said it ruins everyones life.
I didn’t make generalizations. I said they are receiving fines and probation. After they serve that out it will all be behind them. I said friend cause I didn’t see the need to make it about my life, but in reality it’s my brother going through all this. It’s close to home so I have a pretty good idea what is happening to him legally.
Who said I agree with the law? I don’t smoke but in reality I don’t care if someone else does. Right now it’s illegal but if they legalized it all tomorrow it wouldn’t bug me at all. When your in a sport when it’s illegal for everyone then don’t do it. He knew the law.
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
I agree with the last line. I’m not fighting that point at all.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Common ground!
Took a while but we found some! Lol
Godwulf - February 10, 2012
They say never go to bed angry
I feel good about this.
Hasta Rastaman
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Hey Joe Rogan:
Knock knock.
JR: Who’s there?
Guess who also blew their chances at ever having a long career in the big show like Diaz?
JR: What? I don’t even-
OBAMA!
Boom!
/Volkmannized
AwkwardwithwordmakingisGoldberg,huhJoe - February 10, 2012
this comment. it made getting to the bottom of this clusterfuck totally worthwhile.
mollcutpurse - February 10, 2012
100%
Violent Newt - February 10, 2012
lol volkmannized. nice one
if anyone has seen Deadwood, I picture the time one of the character’s was “vulcanised” and tarred with feathers…
UncleMax - February 10, 2012
Tim-
ElliotMatheny - February 10, 2012
well if it isn't a good old BE Moral Outrage Clickbait thread.
Guess someone had to pick up the torch for these.
Rob Young - February 10, 2012
One positive sign:
At least no one got the “rec every comment and turn the thread green” fever.
( . Y . ) - February 10, 2012
it's not too late y'know
there are a lot of comments though, it’d be tough
Rob Young - February 10, 2012
Release him my butt!
I read this quote in another thread right…
bq. "I think that he’s a guy that got into it before this whole thing blew up. He was 16 and dropped out [of school] and that was 12 years ago. The UFC wasn’t what the UFC is now; MMA wasn’t what MMA is now. He didn’t get into this thing at all for the attention, he didn’t bargain for this side of it.
Right, and this gives me this idea. Nick is out of fights for a year probably, maybe 6 mths if he’s lucky. So get him on the TUF as a coach. Nick and GSP, both recovering and biding their time. But it’s not one house. It’s two, right beside the gym. Nick’s house is like a white trash hovel surrounded by a weed plantation, and smashed up hondas on blocks out in the yard. Every room has mats and training bags and shit in it. Everyone sleeps in their gi. Nick lives in the attic and is only rarely seen, usually at night when all the TUF contestants are asleep. He stalks out of the attic and leans over their sleeping bodies and growls at them.
And GSP is across the street, big Canadian log cabin. Filled with self-effacing shithead Greg Jackson and that awesome balding guy. Greg is like the emperor, trying to corrupt the TUF guys and the bald dude is like yoda, trying to guide them. GSP lectures about dinosaurs.
I haven’t totally thought this through yet.
bt9 - February 10, 2012
Nick Diaz brings the craziness out of everyone
i’ve been too busy to comment the past couple days because i’ve been stuck reading all the stupid shit people are saying.
av1o3 - February 10, 2012
Holy cow. Some of you guys are flipping right the fuck out.
MicahtheCynic - February 10, 2012
Shrug. This is an editorial piece. The writer editorialised and expressed an opinion.
In the end, Diaz gonna Diaz and bloggers are going to capatilise. Has there even been an official word on the length of his suspension? He’ll be back in the UFC, we’ll see him fight again eventually. Dana won’t cut him over this. But I’m not against Burke wanting him cut. If only to hear out his reasons why.
UncleMax - February 10, 2012
Pathetic? Consider me pathetic then!!
mlzybaby - February 10, 2012 via mobile
He mad.
dancingChicken - February 10, 2012
Hey Tim, looks like your story worked to perfection. You were able to bring out all the Diaz nuthuggers AND haters. Look at all these hits!
Blow to the back of the head - February 10, 2012
I agree completely
Not on some sort of moral ground or anything, but because Diaz is just too unreliable of an asset. The missed pressers, the history of getting busted for weed, why would the UFC keep around a guy who is constantly a risk to either fail to promote the product or fail to provide a fight that won’t be overturned? A lot of guys pull more serious shit (steroids, criminal activity) but they don’t also refuse to play ball like Diaz. And the product is always paramount.
Chuck Burly - February 10, 2012
His unreliability is compensated for by his popularity
I have friends who I’ve been trying to get into MMA for ages e-mailing me out of nowhere (usually I need to nag them to talk about mma) saying WHAT’S UP WITH THAT DIAZ GUY!!!.
Just out of interest, my casual mma watching friends don’t like Diaz at all. He generates interest among them, but I don’t know what sort…
UncleMax - February 10, 2012
Tim Turned Heel!
Thats It For you! - February 10, 2012
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Gouken - February 10, 2012
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Gouken - February 10, 2012
http://tinypic.com/r/2vsg8l3/5
Gouken - February 10, 2012
damn cant direct paste..
fail
Gouken - February 10, 2012
PREVIEW! It’s not there just to look pretty
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Gouken - February 10, 2012
I don’t think he will get cut, but I think more the fact that the UFC don’t really see him as one of “their guys” and the fact that he has caused them a bit of bother with not turning up to the press conferences and now this, I can easily see it happening
StevenGiles - February 10, 2012
Nick shouldn't have accepted those "goodwill" brownies
that BJ Penn sent him in the mail.
les rallizes denudes - February 10, 2012
Nick Diaz is the Rosa Parks of weed
hewsdaddy - February 10, 2012
LOL Finally got a chuckle at the bottom of this thread.
Tacoknight - February 10, 2012
should probably have been at the front of the thread
Cunny - February 10, 2012
it's official
nick diaz generates more traffic on this site than any other fighter in the world.
i wonder why that is? to me he represents something. we are so frustrated with safe fighters. diaz is the opposite of that. the daley fight in particular. at least that’s how he’s perceived. he’s so clearly not afraid of getting knocked out.
anyway, you guys are all nuts. peace!
Clifford J - February 10, 2012
Hey mods,
So this thread is pretty crazy. Do you guys have a list or anything of the most highly commented articles/posts? It would be interesting to go back and see. Of course excluding the fight discussions.
Hart Thorson - February 10, 2012
Also,
Good article. Every now and again it is good to see the emotions of the writer come out. I don’t need corporate radio all the time. I am glad that you wrote this piece. I too am a fan of Diaz in the cage. Not so much outside of it.
Hart Thorson - February 10, 2012
Tim Burke
Successfully trolled all of the internet and made BE loads of cash.
krste - February 10, 2012
I'm sure he's in the Bahamas drinking Ciroc with a bevy of beauties right now yelling "I'm RICH, bitch!"
with retired Nick Diaz.
If only it were that easy…I dream of a day where writers get paid more than Jay-Z
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
BOOOOOOOOO
Beer Monster > Tim Burke
beery_pbr - February 10, 2012
Tim Burke
You are my hero of the day. Also my shins hurt and I get more muay thai tonight.
Andy Anderson - February 10, 2012
3 CHEERS FOR BURKE!
Nothing I like more than the banhammer.
Body Triangle - February 10, 2012
This might be a moot point
But if other articles have a title that distinguishes its content from other news items (ex. “Asian MMA,” “UFC XXX,” etc.) then how come the title for this isn’t “Opinion: Nick Diaz Should Be Released From The UFC”?
Upon first glance it looks like a news item and not an op-ed. Just a suggestion since other news outlets do that for this very same reason.
bustachong - February 10, 2012 via iPhone app
Clue number one is that you are on a site that bills itself as “Pound-for-Pound the Best in Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) Commentary, News and Community.” Commentary comes before news, so people here should understand that there’s going to be a lot of opinion floating around, even in the news articles.
Another big clue is that this was posted “in UFC editorial”
Phildo - February 10, 2012
Ah, I was reading off my phone, so I didn’t even see the category it was posted in. Didn’t even see the photo of Diaz…the SB Nation app is pretty much just a reader. I just figured if they took the time to denote news articles, fan posts, et al., they could at least do the same for op-eds.
Thanks for the heads up though.
bustachong - February 10, 2012
This article is a black eye
I’ve followed BE for a long while and only recently joined, but I’ve noticed a disturbing trend of highly judgmental articles. I guess yellow journalism is a good way for shock jocks (and MMA websites) to generate traffic and revenue, but I don’t think it’s a good practice. This article is akin to a flame piece or an outright troll article. Is it an opinion? Sure. But all opinion pieces are not equal and framing something as opinion does not mean it’s not also yellow journalism.
1100+ comments so I guess the article is a raging success (?) but it’s definitely lowered my opinion of BE
Armchair Cornerman - February 10, 2012
"definitely lowered my opinion of BE"
Considering I’ve read this type of comment on BE about 6K times in response to Snowden, Roth, and now Burke articles, it’s definitely lost it’s threatening tone.
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
This.
He’ll be back as always, just like every single poster on this board.
“lowered my opinion” made me LOL. Post your crap just like everyone else does, but GTFO with your elitist bullcrap. This ain’t the WSJ, this is a fing scum-spewing mma forum.
Kid Kimura - February 10, 2012
If you’ve followed BE for a long time you know that right from the start, since it was just Nate and Luke, opinion pieces have been the backbone of the site (along with news – go news!). If you disagree with the post, that’s definitely your prerogative. But the “yellow journalism” thing that gets thrown at anyone that voices a strong opinion on something is played out. And not even correct in this case anyway.
Tim Burke - February 10, 2012
Go google yellow journalism
It isn’t what you think it is.
Forbidden Psychological Technology - February 10, 2012
FINALLY
It’s about time there was a article about diaz that actually makes sense I just hope Dana has the intelligence to take this advice to heart and actually cut ties with nick once and for all
williambonney - February 10, 2012
If Nick had won the fight, he should be released
Because of the shitstorm it would´ve caused. However, since he lost, its a little extreme to call out for him to be released. The circumstances are important, its not like he ruined a main event the day before it happened like Marquardt did. Yes, MJ is a banned substance and ilegal, but considering Sonnen got a second shot for PED´s and Melvin Guillard got a second shot for fucking cocaine, Diaz should get one more chance for smoking weed. Cocaine is a WAY worse drug and PED´s is even worse because it makes you stronger, faster, more endurance..
Diaz should get one more shot. Yeah, he fucked up big time, and hes probably gonna be suspended for a year, but to take out the pitchforks and torches is too much. Lets not be total dicks about it, Let him fight after his suspension.
Immortal_JL - February 10, 2012
The fuck? This thread is still going strong! Epic.
pud333 - February 10, 2012
Coward
Nick is the true meaning of coward. Before you get offended let me explain with a story. One day Im a work talking to a buddy about ketchup and this little 135 -140 pound kid thats standing close to us in the lunch room says" ketchup is disgusting and garbage" we kind of laugh and say "thanks for your opinion but this was an a b conversation then laughed ignored him, he then says " you think your funny ? Funny like a clown then he laughs. Now im 200 5’10 hit the gym regularly, i’m no0 mma fighter but have been gifted with the type of power in both hads that breaks faces and am a natural wrestler that never was taught, im also 35 , a father of three boys , have a wife, and trying to be a christian and be a good person. Ive come from some bad places. So I blow it off those are fighting words but hes no threat so whatever. After lunch this guy come up to me saying" Jasons says your a bitch says he mouth you off said you where a clown or something said you did nothing" I work in factory 170 employee im pretty furious this will go around shop make me look bad, I say to the guy" that kid is the little bitch I ever met i think he is laughable at best it was a joke to me" Now i go back to work like 3 minintes later this kid is coming up to me in my unit area I dont want to make this any longer so in short he come up in my space and says"you call me a bitch" etc. this goes on for a bit I look at people around me I say to them "you see he is in my space and wont leave right they say yup all witnesses I then rip off my shirt and do like a hulk scream and pose and then say to the kid " don’t you no I would fucking destroy you are you fucking retarded? you little bitch" my coworker grabbed me and he left at that point. We get call up to management shortly after, I almost lost my job for doing nothing, kid got suspended from work for 2 weeks. Kid In management offices asked me why hes a bitch said he lipped me of got in my face, I said "a bitch is someone who acts tough to or treats people poorly when there in a place of protection using the fact that I cant lose my job or have police trouble etc. If you where a real man you would wait till after work endanger my safty with witnesses so I have no choice but to defend myself, if you really have beef and want to prove something like your tough that takes balls" kid says after that " if you try anything after work ill call the police on you" kid still doesn’t get it. Nick is the kid in this story talking shit now hes in a place of protection again not fighting gsp and he will never learn. Gsp is me thinking this guy must be mentally delusional or something and don’t even see him a threat more of an annoyance.
Sugel Mendoza - February 10, 2012
well played sir
tigerlee - February 10, 2012
Rob Young - February 11, 2012
Couldn' agree more
Finally someone who makes sense.
When two parties sign a contract it usually means one side will perform certain tasks and the other pays for it. Nick Diaz got paid more money than I will ever get my hands on to not only fight but to fight according to a specified ruleset. Not living up to your end of the agreement over and over again means rescission of the contract. As simple as that.
I would say the UFC has been more than gracious from their side of things and the only reason is that the Diaz Brothers are also phenomenal and exciting fighters and they can make a lot of money putting them on shows.
Signing the contract means you agree to a lot of things. One of those things is to show up on press-conferences. Another one means no use of cannabis. If you still want to smoke it maybe you should not have signed that contract.
Grow up.
Bones_nl - February 11, 2012
But employers don’t hire people to do good things for the employee. They hire people to make money. If Nick is willing to fight in a year, there are zero business reasons to not keep him fighting. Nick makes money for the UFC. When he starts costing the UFC money, then he should be fired.
Tacoknight - February 11, 2012
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